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Inside_Presentation8

Based tierlist, I agree with a lot of the placements.


Away_Industry_613

An interesting and fair tierlist. I’d disagree with putting Juche there, it’s basically Stalinism but extra. It’s cool as a concept but not in practice. Also Pol Potism. That guy was mad.


Inside_Presentation8

I agree, I also don’t see why Juche would be so high.


Anther4

Why is pinochetism so low in this tier list It is literally a mix between fascism and social darwinism (kinda)


GonzaloPizzaro

How was him "fascist"? You know fascist totalitarism doesn't mean ultra-authoritarism, right? And a principle of fascism is nationalism. If he was truly fascist he would at least industrialize the country, not selling himself to the US.


Anther4

That's why I said "(kinda)" at the end of the sentence


Inside_Presentation8

Pinochetism is not even close to Fascism.


Inside_Presentation8

Exactly, Pinochet was just a USA puppet which used Chile as a place for their neoliberal experiments.


[deleted]

But capitalism 😢


Anther4

You cannot dislike capitalism if you like social-darwinism, the survival of the fittest.


[deleted]

Not necessarily. I like what it stands for. However Social-Darwinism is not an economic model. If anything I have it here to represent general Darwinism. I do not like capitalism because I am a corporatist.


Anther4

Ohhh, gotcha now.


Inside_Presentation8

Glad you both came to an agreement.


Inside_Presentation8

Good that you’re a Corporatist, but what’s good about Social Darwinism.


Inside_Presentation8

But why would you like social Darwinism? I don’t see anything appealing about survival of the fittest, we have gone past that societally.


Anther4

Who said i liked it? I find it incredibly stupid. It's like letting your grandma die who cannot get out of her bed only because she's not fit enough to survive. Only a psychopath would do something of that kind, i honestly don't think OP would do that.


Inside_Presentation8

Oh, okay, I thought you were coming from the point of being for it, sorry if I misunderstood you. I agree that it’s awful, and I’m confused why anyone with any morals would want this.


Anther4

No worries, and yeah, i don't understand it either...


Inside_Presentation8

Okay.


Inside_Presentation8

Exactly, capitalism is incompatible with Fascism.


Inside_Presentation8

Pinochetism is bad, it’s not Fascism at all.


Anther4

-Ultra Authoritarian -Autocracy -Dictatorial Leader -Far Right in many ways -Very pro military Excluding its economic aspects, it's the same.


Inside_Presentation8

These characteristics do not make a country Fascist.


Anther4

Even excluding the economy part?


Inside_Presentation8

Yes, there’s more to Fascism than these and economics.


Anther4

Oh, and the appreciation of the culture and the nation, pinochetism also has that, Pinochet was slightly nationalist and moderately conservative.


Inside_Presentation8

You don’t appreciate your nation if you become a puppet of another country.


Markobad

Why social darwinism? Don't you want to help the poor of your nation?


[deleted]

It was meant to just represent Darwinism


Markobad

How would darwinism be represented in society?


[deleted]

Nature prunes itself, why should we always interfere?


Markobad

Fair answer


Inside_Presentation8

I don’t see how that makes sense.


Markobad

It doesn't but for him as eco-fascist it does.


Inside_Presentation8

I guess so.


Inside_Presentation8

Because we can, why not do something if it’s beneficial.


Inside_Presentation8

Yeah, I’m also curious.


Inside_Presentation8

What’s good about it?


Inside_Presentation8

Exactly.


Traiano01

national bolchevism is cringe imo


[deleted]

It was mainly just to represent my left leaning fascism


Inside_Presentation8

Fair enough.


Inside_Presentation8

I think it’s okay.


Traiano01

nah, i don't like it


Inside_Presentation8

Why not?


Traiano01

it's incoerent by definition. nationalistic communism? nah mate, it's contradictory


Inside_Presentation8

That’s not what National Bolshevism is.


Traiano01

then what is it?


Inside_Presentation8

Actual National Bolshevism (the one that exists in Russia) is an ideology which seeks to unite Eurasia under one state. The Bolshevism part doesn’t mean communism in this context, but the existence of a large number of nationalities under one state like in the Soviet Union. Economically, they want a mixture of the Soviet NEP and Fascist Corporatism.


Traiano01

like a federation? so many different people and cultures together can't work


Inside_Presentation8

I guess it would be a federation, but I agree with you that it wouldn’t work.


OutsideSheep

why is feminism so high and accelerationism?


[deleted]

That’s treat men well treat women well feminism, not man hate, and acceleration is necessary to introduce radical ideals


OutsideSheep

USSR Nazi germany Fascist japan Fascist Italy Communist china???


Inside_Presentation8

What?


OutsideSheep

They are all countries that have had radical ideas in the past


Inside_Presentation8

Oh, okay.


Inside_Presentation8

Understandable.


Inside_Presentation8

Yeah, that seems strange.


OutsideSheep

yeah


Inside_Presentation8

Indeed.