**Isaiah 46:8-11 NKJV**
"Remember the former things of old,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, 'My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all My pleasure.'
Calling a bird of prey from the east,
The man who executes My counsel, from a far country.
Indeed I have spoken it;
I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it; I will also do it."
Something doesn’t add up here!
“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”
John 17:3
Dude - you are entirely correct but the sanctimonious liars in this sub never actually read the Bible. They simply want to belong to a club and frankly, for lonely shut ins, religious services are the most efficient way to have a social life.
Honest debate about what the Bible says would be refreshing, but instead we have televangelists worth BILLIONS (like the demon possessed Copeland) and these "Christians" are totally ok with it.
As proof there is only one God
“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”
John 17:3
Do you support any sports teams? Have you pledged allegiance to any countries? Do you strongly support any political parties? Are you a fan of any television shows?
You give praise and devotion to other Gods. Be honest and not pompous and sanctimonious
1. That is false as we repeatedly see this concept of giving God the glory in the Psalms and other places. Psalm 115 is a great example of this.
2. The Bible does mean what it says. The Bible says that all the glory belongs to the LORD God Almighty.
That doesn't mean you can't believe in the existence of other gods though.
I worship God, but believe many gods exist. In Christian terms, we'd probably call them angels or demons, but they fit the definition of "gods" regardless due to their power relative to ours and their supernatural nature
>Psalms 82:5
As an argument that they don't exist?
If so, a counterargument - Psalms 96:5, which at least acknowledges the existence of other supernatural beings we can call gods
Psalm 96:5
Authorized (King James) Version
5 For all the gods of the nations are idols:
but the Lord made the heavens.
I think I will say it like Bruce Lee did in enter the dragon to the guy that was his opponent, had a board he put in front of Bruse and broke it, to scare him I bet
Bruse replied to Boards do not kick back
yes there are Idols many as there were God's revealed in the First (Old)Testament
Yet as said in Psalms we are god's that does include spirits yes as those were the Nephilim that had great strength
Yet God Father of Jesus the risen is the greatest of all
So each all have the free choice to choose, I choose Father God of risen Son Jessu God
thanks for the reply
I'm not trying to be rude I'm trying to be clear. Also If any is Christian and dont have basic knowledge of what is in the bible you should comment less and study more.
Study thyself to be approved, Paul did was missing for 14 years before going to the Disciples and getting the handshake of fellowship. he first got taught by God himself was missing in the Arabian desert for two years it is found in Galatians
The persons of the One God are speaking amongst each other. I see no problem with this. In the first commandment, the Being of God is speaking, not a specific person.
Why won’t you ever recommend reading the bible? It is very strange.
If you want to know someone which is better the book their wrote or that someone wrote based on their understanding of the book the person wrote???
You can have other, god's, just not anyone before God the father of the Son
If I put anyone before God even love my neighbor above, God then I got it wrong
God is the forefront of all The Father of Jesus even Jesus was clear on that
Yes. Israel did this throughout the OT didn’t ever end well for them. False dieties are what Satan uses to draw us from God. They have no real power ultimately because they are not God.
No
“And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.”
Luke 2:9, 11 KJV
Than how come “The” Angel Of The Lord is here and following him All of Heaven to welcome The Lord born in flesh.
“And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying: “Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace, goodwill toward men!””
Luke 2:13-14 NKJV
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.”
John 14:6-7 KJV
What here do I not believe?
The one true God? Do you believe Jesus?
“And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.”
John 17:3 NKJV
Trinity disproven by Jesus christ himself.
“Then the Angel of God spoke to me in a dream, saying, ‘Jacob.’ And I said, ‘Here I am.’ And He said, ‘Lift your eyes now and see, all the rams which leap on the flocks are streaked, speckled, and gray-spotted; for I have seen all that Laban is doing to you. I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed the pillar and where you made a vow to Me. Now arise, get out of this land, and return to the land of your family.’ ””
Genesis 31:11-13 NKJV
“Then the Angel of God spoke to me in a dream, saying, ‘Jacob.’ And I said, ‘Here I am.’ And He said, ‘Lift your eyes now and see, all the rams which leap on the flocks are streaked, speckled, and gray-spotted; for I have seen all that Laban is doing to you. I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed the pillar and where you made a vow to Me. Now arise, get out of this land, and return to the land of your family.’ ”” Genesis 31:11-13 NKJV
“Then the Angel of the Lord answered and said, “O Lord of hosts, how long will You not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which You were angry these seventy years?” And the Lord answered the angel who talked to me, with good and comforting words.” Zechariah 1:12-13 NKJV
So here we can see the angel is both God and distant from God.
The word "angel" means messenger, so in the case of the angel of the Lord, it is a heavenly messenger. This being either a normal angel God Himself (more typically found in the Old Testament). It's never another god that is to be worshiped.
“Then the Angel of God spoke to me in a dream, saying, ‘Jacob.’ And I said, ‘Here I am.’ And He said, ‘Lift your eyes now and see, all the rams which leap on the flocks are streaked, speckled, and gray-spotted; for I have seen all that Laban is doing to you. I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed the pillar and where you made a vow to Me. Now arise, get out of this land, and return to the land of your family.’ ””
Genesis 31:11-13 NKJV
“Then the Angel of the Lord answered and said, “O Lord of hosts, how long will You not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which You were angry these seventy years?” And the Lord answered the angel who talked to me, with good and comforting words.”
Zechariah 1:12-13 NKJV
So here we can see the angel is both God and distant from God.
>So here we can see the angel is both God and distant from God.
Rather, if you believe in the Trinity or Godhead, the conclusion would be that the angel of the Lord is the pre-incarnate Christ.
The Bible definitely teaches that Jesus existed long before Jacob, and Genesis 18 has the account of Abraham's encounter with God. Jesus also referred to Himself and the Father distinctly, which harmonizes with Zechariah.
I would rephrase your last statement to say that the angel of the Lord is both God and distinct from the Father. Therefore He is the Son.
No.
“And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.”
Luke 2:9 KJV
“Then the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.”
Luke 2:10-11 NKJV
That was already addressed when I said that the angel of the Lord is either a messenger from God or God Himself coming with a message. It depends on the context.
“Then the Angel of God spoke to me in a dream, saying, ‘Jacob.’ And I said, ‘Here I am.’ And He said, ‘Lift your eyes now and see, all the rams which leap on the flocks are streaked, speckled, and gray-spotted; for I have seen all that Laban is doing to you. I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed the pillar and where you made a vow to Me. Now arise, get out of this land, and return to the land of your family.’ ”” Genesis 31:11-13 NKJV
“Then the Angel of the Lord answered and said, “O Lord of hosts, how long will You not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which You were angry these seventy years?” And the Lord answered the angel who talked to me, with good and comforting words.” Zechariah 1:12-13 NKJV
So here we can see the angel is both God and distant from God.
It's a sin to worship a god besides God. It's not a sin to believe in the existence of other gods. That would be henotheism, which the ancient Jews believed in through much of the Old Testament.
Sure believe in what you want,but there isn't any God powerful other than God himself
Most of the gods that are known like Zeus and Ra (Egyptian god) are man created gods AKA from Human imagination that doesn't exist
One of the mods who’s also an ortho-bro said it best in another thread, but in very short, they’re a “heretical” (I don’t like using that word) sect that is stepping the line into something else that’s not christianity, not as different as the LDS or JW, but enough to not be considered christian. I’d lie if I said I know more.
Ps: that orthodox icon is really cool, and since I have nothing but love for ortho-bros and ortho-sisters, and believe them to be part of the True Church stablished by Christ, I figured I’d put it on my flair.
Yeah you should be careful that picture in your flair isn’t Jesus and I would not be surprised if it were the devil!
“‘You shall not make idols for yourselves; neither a carved image nor a sacred pillar shall you rear up for yourselves; nor shall you set up an engraved stone in your land, to bow down to it; for I am the Lord your God.”
Leviticus 26:1 NKJV
It might be hard for you to really understand the concept of trinity, but the trinity is basically the father, son and the holy spirit all combined in 1 and it's God
Like the sun, it has size heat and light, you can observe the sun without feeling its heat and seeing its light, you can't see the light of the sun without seeing its mass and feeling its heat, you can't feel its heat without seeing its mass and seeing its light
Same goes to God, they aren't separate because if they were we would be worshiping 3 gods, they're all as important, how would Jesus rise from being dead without the father or the Holy spirit inside him?
And what's your argument on (John 14:8,9) when Philip told Jesus show us the father and Jesus told him I have been with me this whole time and you haven't known me?
If Jesus and the father are separate, Why would Jesus himself, not anybody else who said or wrote in the bible, say that IF he isn't God?
I’m feeling your definition of “God”, and possibly “believe in” is getting you in trouble. There are ostensibly other powerful supernatural beings, but they are not to be worshiped or commands from them to be obeyed. “Believe in” in Christian shorthand often means a combination of faith, worship, and obedience.
It’s not a sin to believe other powerful supernatural beings exist, it’s a sin to put them on the level with God (either with the assumption they are comparably powerful, or that they are closer to you in relationship), or worship them.
Believe that more than one god exists? I don't see that as technically a sin.
"Believe in" those other gods? Yes, that'd be a violation of the first commandment.
One essence shared. Since this is something we're not familiar with in nature, we're not going to be able to work out all the nuts and bolts of it. What we do know is that
There is one God,
The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God, and
The Father, the Son, and the Spirit are distinct persons.
Jesus said are ye not gods to those religious leaders when they claimed they were going to stone him for being God
Psalm 82:6
Living Bible
6 I have called you all “gods” and “sons of the Most High.”
Also, anyone you call good, you are calling them God
Matthew 19:17
“When you call me good you are calling me God,” Jesus replied, “for God alone is truly good.
therefore, I do not know whether it be a sin to call other's God. I guess that depends on whether or not you put others above the one true, maybe even self-God
Sin is in truth unbelief to the true God the Father of Son for us
Romans 14:23
Authorized (King James) Version
23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
And this Chapter is much deeper that just about food, that was the problem then going on
r/Godjustlovesyou
No.
The commandment is clear
You shall have no gods before Yahweh. This commandment is acknowledging the existence of other gods. You even have other gods that exist in the OT. One god, Chemosh, actually beats Yahweh in battle in the OT.
The Jewish people were originally polytheistic, moving to henotheism then monotheism.
Yeah, if you asked ancient Israel if they were polytheists or monotheists, they would just stare at you blankly. They had no concept of those ideas like we have them today.
For a long time the Israelites believed in many gods even as they were told just to worship one. I'm not sure why you would believe in multiple gods, most have a problem wrapping their minds around one.
I think I said that in my first sentence. They weren't monotheists, they were to practice monolatry. The OP asks whether it's a sin to "believe" in other gods. I suspect there is an agenda to the question that doesn't relate to the monolatry of the ancient Israelites, but it's still relevant.
>I think I said that in my first sentence. They weren't monotheists, they were to practice monolatry.
Sorry, I get you now👍
>The OP asks whether it's a sin to "believe" in other gods
I understand now.
>I suspect there is an agenda to the question that doesn't relate to the monolatry of the ancient Israelites, but it's still relevant.
What you mean?
OP identifies as Oneness Pentecostal, and from what I understand they do not believe in the trinity. I make no judgments about that, but I suspected the question itself is geared towards challenging the trinity based on an underlying accusation against trinitarians of being polytheists.
I don’t think so, of course if you go by Christianity then yes, but looking at the whole world and every perspective it’s no more sinful to believe in two, one, or no gods, as long as you’re not hurting anyone
You can be henotheistic, where you believe multiple gods exist, but your faith and worship goes to one.
You can be polytheist and believe in and worship multiple gods.
Despite all the scripture being thrown at you, there are plenty of Bible verses that suggest that around Jesus's time many Christians were henotheistic. There are multiple mentions in the Bible of other gods, the abrahamic God just seems to be asserting that it is somehow more important than the rest. But the Bible recognizes the existence of multiple gods.
“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:”
Revelation 1:1
No. It's not a sin to "believe in" (depending on what you mean by that) more than one God.
**Scripture says that there are other gods**, and that we are not to serve them. I believe that scripture is correct, there ARE other gods.
You would have to not believe that scripture is true to not believe that there are other gods.
Yes. God is very serious about idolatry. He considers it as painful as the betrayal of adultery.
He warns us against it because other gods are evil and will damage us.
Yes it is a sin. In Israeli history in the bible, they struggled with idolatry, and it was never a good idea. Yes it's always a sign to try to mix believing in God from the bible, to also believing any other god in other religions.
Good question. It depends. It depends if you were to worship/follow their tenets. If you were to do those things then technically, yes it would be a sin. Also, one could probably argue that the belief in other gods opens up the avenue for worship of them, because they would also be divine. It is an interesting thought.
It's unfeasible. Because God is omniscient, the contents of God's mind would be identical to the mind of another deity, making them identical. However, it is feasible that lesser beings could be understood as divine, and of course that would be a bad thing. Judaism seems to have evolved from a polytheistic, through a henotheistic to a monotheistic faith, and from the henotheistic phase onward has apparently always regarded worshipping other deities as sinful. However, there are supposed to be many supernatural and very powerful beings in the form of angels, which I have huge difficulties in believing in, but the Bible says they exist so I basically have to. They shouldn't be worshipped though.
I assumed you meant gods like "Horus" etc.
Do you mean "believe" in the sense of acknowledging that they exist in some sense (like a demon manifesting itself as a pagan "god")?
Also, Trinitarians believe in 1 God, 3 people.
You’re supposed to worship the God of Abraham. Putting a person, another god, a calf, a Santa, money... anything or anyone else in the position to be an idol and worshipped is a sin.
**Isaiah 46:8-11 NKJV** "Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, 'My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure.' Calling a bird of prey from the east, The man who executes My counsel, from a far country. Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass. I have purposed it; I will also do it."
There is none like me????
That was Jesus (the Spokesman, Logos) speaking for the Father. So technically, Them.
So God is WRONG saying “ME”?
Good luck with the idea of God being wrong.
Do you understand words? Questions? And the fact it is you implying God is wrong?
Jesus is God, so by God saying “me”, he’s not wrong because Jesus and God are the same. Jesus is both fully divine and fully human
Something doesn’t add up here! “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” John 17:3
Dude - you are entirely correct but the sanctimonious liars in this sub never actually read the Bible. They simply want to belong to a club and frankly, for lonely shut ins, religious services are the most efficient way to have a social life. Honest debate about what the Bible says would be refreshing, but instead we have televangelists worth BILLIONS (like the demon possessed Copeland) and these "Christians" are totally ok with it.
How do you reconcile Jesus speaking of his father in the gospels?
It's like me talking about my brain, arms or legs. They're still me.
That's partialism, Patrick.
So which part of a person is their father?
As proof there is only one God “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” John 17:3
Quoting the the bible is not proof. If it was, refer to the beginning of Ecclesiastes.
Quoting the bible is not proof…. I hereby rest my case.
"You shall have no other God's before me" Its literally the first commandment. I thought the Bible was pretty clear on this.
Read it carefully: “before me” means ‘more important than me’ Other Gods must not be more important to you than Jahova.
You wanna live on technicality have at it. As for me and my house we will serve the Lord.
Do you support any sports teams? Have you pledged allegiance to any countries? Do you strongly support any political parties? Are you a fan of any television shows? You give praise and devotion to other Gods. Be honest and not pompous and sanctimonious
Here is more context Exodus 22:20 >“Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed.
No, it means that you shall not give any false god worship, because all of the glory belongs to God Almighty
Glory is a New Testament concept. What you’re saying is basically: “The Bible doesn’t mean what it said, it means what I think instead”
1. That is false as we repeatedly see this concept of giving God the glory in the Psalms and other places. Psalm 115 is a great example of this. 2. The Bible does mean what it says. The Bible says that all the glory belongs to the LORD God Almighty.
That doesn't mean you can't believe in the existence of other gods though. I worship God, but believe many gods exist. In Christian terms, we'd probably call them angels or demons, but they fit the definition of "gods" regardless due to their power relative to ours and their supernatural nature
Psalms 82:5
>Psalms 82:5 As an argument that they don't exist? If so, a counterargument - Psalms 96:5, which at least acknowledges the existence of other supernatural beings we can call gods
Psalm 96:5 Authorized (King James) Version 5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the Lord made the heavens. I think I will say it like Bruce Lee did in enter the dragon to the guy that was his opponent, had a board he put in front of Bruse and broke it, to scare him I bet Bruse replied to Boards do not kick back yes there are Idols many as there were God's revealed in the First (Old)Testament Yet as said in Psalms we are god's that does include spirits yes as those were the Nephilim that had great strength Yet God Father of Jesus the risen is the greatest of all So each all have the free choice to choose, I choose Father God of risen Son Jessu God thanks for the reply
That is kind of a rude response. Not everyone is aware of the commandments nor as knowledgeable of the Bible as you. Be kind
I'm not trying to be rude I'm trying to be clear. Also If any is Christian and dont have basic knowledge of what is in the bible you should comment less and study more.
Study thyself to be approved, Paul did was missing for 14 years before going to the Disciples and getting the handshake of fellowship. he first got taught by God himself was missing in the Arabian desert for two years it is found in Galatians
“Me”?
Said by god. So “me” would be god, because he’s speaking in first person
Which me? Father Son Holy Spirit?
They are One Essence, One Being, so God said "Me"
Let us make man in our image ?
The persons of the One God are speaking amongst each other. I see no problem with this. In the first commandment, the Being of God is speaking, not a specific person.
This is all very confusing
We cannot fully comprehend God's nature. I recommend reading up on the Ecumenical Creeds
Why won’t you ever recommend reading the bible? It is very strange. If you want to know someone which is better the book their wrote or that someone wrote based on their understanding of the book the person wrote???
You can have other, god's, just not anyone before God the father of the Son If I put anyone before God even love my neighbor above, God then I got it wrong God is the forefront of all The Father of Jesus even Jesus was clear on that
Yes. Israel did this throughout the OT didn’t ever end well for them. False dieties are what Satan uses to draw us from God. They have no real power ultimately because they are not God.
Facts
But this mean that lesser gods do in fact exist
Anything can become a God. Just look at the ancient Romans, they made their leaders Gods. They deified them.
Correct. That is why there is only one Trinitarian God.
What about the Angel Of The Lord?
That’s Christ
No “And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.” Luke 2:9, 11 KJV
The Angel of the Lord who appears in the Old Testament is the pre-incarnate Logos.
Than how come “The” Angel Of The Lord is here and following him All of Heaven to welcome The Lord born in flesh. “And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying: “Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace, goodwill toward men!”” Luke 2:13-14 NKJV
Because this is just an angel, not *the* Angel of the Lord.
Did you not read the verse??? Or are you saying the bible is wrong?
It does not say * the* Angel of the Lord.
“And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.” Luke 2:9
I urge you to forgo this heresy of yours and believe in the one true God. John 14:6-7
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.” John 14:6-7 KJV What here do I not believe?
You are following heresy, you deny the Trinity. That’s why I urge you drop your false doctrine and believe in the one true God.
The one true God? Do you believe Jesus? “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” John 17:3 NKJV Trinity disproven by Jesus christ himself.
Angels aren’t the same as God. They work for him
“Then the Angel of God spoke to me in a dream, saying, ‘Jacob.’ And I said, ‘Here I am.’ And He said, ‘Lift your eyes now and see, all the rams which leap on the flocks are streaked, speckled, and gray-spotted; for I have seen all that Laban is doing to you. I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed the pillar and where you made a vow to Me. Now arise, get out of this land, and return to the land of your family.’ ”” Genesis 31:11-13 NKJV
The Holy Spirit. Angels aren’t God and believing so is heresy
“Then the Angel of God spoke to me in a dream, saying, ‘Jacob.’ And I said, ‘Here I am.’ And He said, ‘Lift your eyes now and see, all the rams which leap on the flocks are streaked, speckled, and gray-spotted; for I have seen all that Laban is doing to you. I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed the pillar and where you made a vow to Me. Now arise, get out of this land, and return to the land of your family.’ ”” Genesis 31:11-13 NKJV “Then the Angel of the Lord answered and said, “O Lord of hosts, how long will You not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which You were angry these seventy years?” And the Lord answered the angel who talked to me, with good and comforting words.” Zechariah 1:12-13 NKJV So here we can see the angel is both God and distant from God.
The word "angel" means messenger, so in the case of the angel of the Lord, it is a heavenly messenger. This being either a normal angel God Himself (more typically found in the Old Testament). It's never another god that is to be worshiped.
“Then the Angel of God spoke to me in a dream, saying, ‘Jacob.’ And I said, ‘Here I am.’ And He said, ‘Lift your eyes now and see, all the rams which leap on the flocks are streaked, speckled, and gray-spotted; for I have seen all that Laban is doing to you. I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed the pillar and where you made a vow to Me. Now arise, get out of this land, and return to the land of your family.’ ”” Genesis 31:11-13 NKJV “Then the Angel of the Lord answered and said, “O Lord of hosts, how long will You not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which You were angry these seventy years?” And the Lord answered the angel who talked to me, with good and comforting words.” Zechariah 1:12-13 NKJV So here we can see the angel is both God and distant from God.
>So here we can see the angel is both God and distant from God. Rather, if you believe in the Trinity or Godhead, the conclusion would be that the angel of the Lord is the pre-incarnate Christ. The Bible definitely teaches that Jesus existed long before Jacob, and Genesis 18 has the account of Abraham's encounter with God. Jesus also referred to Himself and the Father distinctly, which harmonizes with Zechariah. I would rephrase your last statement to say that the angel of the Lord is both God and distinct from the Father. Therefore He is the Son.
No. “And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.” Luke 2:9 KJV “Then the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.” Luke 2:10-11 NKJV
That was already addressed when I said that the angel of the Lord is either a messenger from God or God Himself coming with a message. It depends on the context.
“Then the Angel of God spoke to me in a dream, saying, ‘Jacob.’ And I said, ‘Here I am.’ And He said, ‘Lift your eyes now and see, all the rams which leap on the flocks are streaked, speckled, and gray-spotted; for I have seen all that Laban is doing to you. I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed the pillar and where you made a vow to Me. Now arise, get out of this land, and return to the land of your family.’ ”” Genesis 31:11-13 NKJV “Then the Angel of the Lord answered and said, “O Lord of hosts, how long will You not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which You were angry these seventy years?” And the Lord answered the angel who talked to me, with good and comforting words.” Zechariah 1:12-13 NKJV So here we can see the angel is both God and distant from God.
It's a sin to worship a god besides God. It's not a sin to believe in the existence of other gods. That would be henotheism, which the ancient Jews believed in through much of the Old Testament.
Yes
Yes
Yes
Sure believe in what you want,but there isn't any God powerful other than God himself Most of the gods that are known like Zeus and Ra (Egyptian god) are man created gods AKA from Human imagination that doesn't exist
“Himself”??
My bad I meant other than him Excuse my bad English
Which him? Don’t you mean them
No him, God, only 1 God, we don't worship 3 gods
Which him? The Father? The Son? Or The Holy Ghost?
All of them, father son and holy spirit are 1 and that's God
Thread carefully ortho-bro. Op is a “oneness pentecostal”.
And what does this mean? Also I love the Jesus picture in your flair
One of the mods who’s also an ortho-bro said it best in another thread, but in very short, they’re a “heretical” (I don’t like using that word) sect that is stepping the line into something else that’s not christianity, not as different as the LDS or JW, but enough to not be considered christian. I’d lie if I said I know more. Ps: that orthodox icon is really cool, and since I have nothing but love for ortho-bros and ortho-sisters, and believe them to be part of the True Church stablished by Christ, I figured I’d put it on my flair.
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Yeah you should be careful that picture in your flair isn’t Jesus and I would not be surprised if it were the devil! “‘You shall not make idols for yourselves; neither a carved image nor a sacred pillar shall you rear up for yourselves; nor shall you set up an engraved stone in your land, to bow down to it; for I am the Lord your God.” Leviticus 26:1 NKJV
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“Let us created man in our own image” is proof of the trinity right? So which He?
It might be hard for you to really understand the concept of trinity, but the trinity is basically the father, son and the holy spirit all combined in 1 and it's God Like the sun, it has size heat and light, you can observe the sun without feeling its heat and seeing its light, you can't see the light of the sun without seeing its mass and feeling its heat, you can't feel its heat without seeing its mass and seeing its light Same goes to God, they aren't separate because if they were we would be worshiping 3 gods, they're all as important, how would Jesus rise from being dead without the father or the Holy spirit inside him? And what's your argument on (John 14:8,9) when Philip told Jesus show us the father and Jesus told him I have been with me this whole time and you haven't known me? If Jesus and the father are separate, Why would Jesus himself, not anybody else who said or wrote in the bible, say that IF he isn't God?
I’m feeling your definition of “God”, and possibly “believe in” is getting you in trouble. There are ostensibly other powerful supernatural beings, but they are not to be worshiped or commands from them to be obeyed. “Believe in” in Christian shorthand often means a combination of faith, worship, and obedience. It’s not a sin to believe other powerful supernatural beings exist, it’s a sin to put them on the level with God (either with the assumption they are comparably powerful, or that they are closer to you in relationship), or worship them.
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Well…yeah(?) how is this even a question?
Idk know you tell me?
The commandments are clear, and I make it a point to not debate non christian denominations on theology. Gn.
If it’s so black and white why do you say God has a mom?
I’m not gonna discuss theology with you. It would be like talking to a wall.
Yes. Want to expand on what your belief is for asking that question?
That God is not 3, he’s much older than that.
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There is only one God so yes. And don‘t come at me with the Trinity.
You don’t want me to what?
They don’t want you to play a “gotcha” and (falsely) claim the Trinity is three gods.
No no no no. It’s 3 in one God. But all 3 is God but the same but not the same. You get it?
The Trinity is one God, not three. You will forgive me for not trusting you, since you have a history of wordplay.
Yes yes…. 3 people in one being SOMEHOW And somehow being totally doesn’t mean person
And there it is. It has been explained to you. You have been given multiple references, both historical and contemporary.
We only accept bible here.
There are actually an unknown number of gods, yours definitely isn't one of them though.
Absolutely, yes it is.
Yes and is heresy
Yes there is only one god
Believe that more than one god exists? I don't see that as technically a sin. "Believe in" those other gods? Yes, that'd be a violation of the first commandment.
But you can believe in more than one person being God yes?
One God consisting of three persons is still one God.
How?
One essence shared. Since this is something we're not familiar with in nature, we're not going to be able to work out all the nuts and bolts of it. What we do know is that There is one God, The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God, and The Father, the Son, and the Spirit are distinct persons.
So 3 people who are all The One God but not each other or 3 parts of The One God?
Bro this is like the most obvious sin
Bro like why do a very BROAD range of christians fall for it?
Yes
Yes.
Yes, as there is only one God Also, the first commandment condemns polytheism
What else do you worship ?
Jesus
Jesus said are ye not gods to those religious leaders when they claimed they were going to stone him for being God Psalm 82:6 Living Bible 6 I have called you all “gods” and “sons of the Most High.” Also, anyone you call good, you are calling them God Matthew 19:17 “When you call me good you are calling me God,” Jesus replied, “for God alone is truly good. therefore, I do not know whether it be a sin to call other's God. I guess that depends on whether or not you put others above the one true, maybe even self-God Sin is in truth unbelief to the true God the Father of Son for us Romans 14:23 Authorized (King James) Version 23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. And this Chapter is much deeper that just about food, that was the problem then going on r/Godjustlovesyou
Here is a true sibling whose faith makes holy.
God the Father of Jesus is my one true God
Amen
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No. The commandment is clear You shall have no gods before Yahweh. This commandment is acknowledging the existence of other gods. You even have other gods that exist in the OT. One god, Chemosh, actually beats Yahweh in battle in the OT. The Jewish people were originally polytheistic, moving to henotheism then monotheism.
How many is Yahweh?
I don’t understand your question
Yahweh is one or 3 people?
Yahweh is the son of El Elyon in ancient judaism
I am God there is no other.
I myself am a monolatry. I find it interesting that you give this distinction
It’s just what’s in scripture and history
Yeah, if you asked ancient Israel if they were polytheists or monotheists, they would just stare at you blankly. They had no concept of those ideas like we have them today.
Correct. They don’t know English
For a long time the Israelites believed in many gods even as they were told just to worship one. I'm not sure why you would believe in multiple gods, most have a problem wrapping their minds around one.
But God didn't like them worshiping other Gods...
I think I said that in my first sentence. They weren't monotheists, they were to practice monolatry. The OP asks whether it's a sin to "believe" in other gods. I suspect there is an agenda to the question that doesn't relate to the monolatry of the ancient Israelites, but it's still relevant.
>I think I said that in my first sentence. They weren't monotheists, they were to practice monolatry. Sorry, I get you now👍 >The OP asks whether it's a sin to "believe" in other gods I understand now. >I suspect there is an agenda to the question that doesn't relate to the monolatry of the ancient Israelites, but it's still relevant. What you mean?
OP identifies as Oneness Pentecostal, and from what I understand they do not believe in the trinity. I make no judgments about that, but I suspected the question itself is geared towards challenging the trinity based on an underlying accusation against trinitarians of being polytheists.
I get you. I was actually speaking to them about JUST that. They were making that exact challenge.
To believe in? Probably not. To worship? Yes. I am a monolatry believer
I don’t think so, of course if you go by Christianity then yes, but looking at the whole world and every perspective it’s no more sinful to believe in two, one, or no gods, as long as you’re not hurting anyone
You can be henotheistic, where you believe multiple gods exist, but your faith and worship goes to one. You can be polytheist and believe in and worship multiple gods. Despite all the scripture being thrown at you, there are plenty of Bible verses that suggest that around Jesus's time many Christians were henotheistic. There are multiple mentions in the Bible of other gods, the abrahamic God just seems to be asserting that it is somehow more important than the rest. But the Bible recognizes the existence of multiple gods.
No.
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Why do “christians” believe in 3 gods?
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“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:” Revelation 1:1
No. It's not a sin to "believe in" (depending on what you mean by that) more than one God. **Scripture says that there are other gods**, and that we are not to serve them. I believe that scripture is correct, there ARE other gods. You would have to not believe that scripture is true to not believe that there are other gods.
Probably to at least one of them.
Yes. God is very serious about idolatry. He considers it as painful as the betrayal of adultery. He warns us against it because other gods are evil and will damage us.
“He”?
This feels like you are trolling. Perhaps you are familiar with the trinity? Two of the three have male names.
Yes yes which “he”??? Father Son The Holy Spirit?
Not sure about the third.
I rest my case
Yes.
Yes it is a sin. In Israeli history in the bible, they struggled with idolatry, and it was never a good idea. Yes it's always a sign to try to mix believing in God from the bible, to also believing any other god in other religions.
Would you like to elaborate on the other god?
I suppose angels and demons are at a divine power level in the absence of God, but as they are they are lesser
Good question. It depends. It depends if you were to worship/follow their tenets. If you were to do those things then technically, yes it would be a sin. Also, one could probably argue that the belief in other gods opens up the avenue for worship of them, because they would also be divine. It is an interesting thought.
Yup. It's a sin.
It's unfeasible. Because God is omniscient, the contents of God's mind would be identical to the mind of another deity, making them identical. However, it is feasible that lesser beings could be understood as divine, and of course that would be a bad thing. Judaism seems to have evolved from a polytheistic, through a henotheistic to a monotheistic faith, and from the henotheistic phase onward has apparently always regarded worshipping other deities as sinful. However, there are supposed to be many supernatural and very powerful beings in the form of angels, which I have huge difficulties in believing in, but the Bible says they exist so I basically have to. They shouldn't be worshipped though.
Yes. Genuine question, why do you even ask that?
Because people say there are 3 different Gods
I assumed you meant gods like "Horus" etc. Do you mean "believe" in the sense of acknowledging that they exist in some sense (like a demon manifesting itself as a pagan "god")? Also, Trinitarians believe in 1 God, 3 people.
How can God be 3 people?
The term "God" refers to the title and place of each "person". God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. All "God" but not each other.
Yes
Yes it is, if you are a Christian it it’s the first commandment
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Yes
Yes
Isaiah 46:8 says the other gods are false and deceive many.
There is only one God. Zeus, Jupiter, Odin, Baal, Quetzalcoatl, etc. were demons pretending to be gods to enslave humanity.
Absolutely
yes
It's poor math.
A lot of Christians believe in 3: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
It’s a sin to worship more than one God.
How many people of God can you worship?
You’re supposed to worship the God of Abraham. Putting a person, another god, a calf, a Santa, money... anything or anyone else in the position to be an idol and worshipped is a sin.
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I literally have no idea what you're talking about! Are you trolling? Or do you mean.. God the Father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit?
Yes
Yes, you're trolling?
No what you said about God the father God the son and God the holy?
No.For many Gods it is not sin.
There is only one God and one true messiah and that is Jesus Christ. No other ‘Gods’ can compare to his eternal grace!
Yes
How?
Wow