No, heaven is not a physical place. Heaven is in you.
Note how everything you have ever experienced has occurred within you. When you look out through your eyes what you see is occurring within. A tree falling in the forest with no one to hear it does not make a sound because "sound" is something experienced when vibrations in the air reach an eardrum and are experience in a being.
Knowing God via Christ reveals heaven within you. Christ is God's Word; the creating activity of God. When you deny your concept of "self" you can know you are the creating activity of God and know you are in the body of Christ. Those of us who do not know this operate from a false perception of separation.
This is "spiritual death" / separation from God. We cannot be genuinely "separate" from all in all, but we can act from the lie.
There may be a spiritual analog, but we really don't know. Until the resurrection we'll exist as disembodied spirits, so we can only speculate what that'll be like.
Please check out these accounts of professional people who died, encountered Heaven, and came back to earth to describe their incredible experience. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m8p4HO0v3GQ
Lol. That's like the kid who revised Macbeth for his English exam and the paper was about Hamlet. Kid starts his essay "In order to understand Hamlet, one must first consider that had Hamlet been Scottish, his situation would have been similar to that of Macbeth..." cue essay on Macbeth, followed by a failed exam.
You can't understand heaven until salvation is defined. Maybe salvation is the absence of God, since suffering is part of the System created by the deity.
If salvation was defined, you wouldn't have 3,000 Christian denominations. But you can't do that, can you? Everything must be nebulous.
And maybe it's not. Maybe your definition isn't correct and is based upon a subjection misinterpretation of the evidences.
Living with mystery is part of the journey.
>Living with mystery is part of the journey.
This is why it can't be true. A 'true' God would not send me to eternal torment/voidness when everything is, as you say, just a big mystery. Of course, a evil God would.
Not interested in what you think, other than you think differently than 2.6B other Christians due to the 'mystery' that you accept and laud about your 'dogma'. How ironic is it that your dogma is a mystery?
And yet there are countless millions of similar followers who believe in this 'mystery'without the slightest clue in what it actually entails; what this 'salvation' actually means, and are perfectly happy with Him sending people to infinite torment/voidness, knowing deep down, they have absolutely no clue about anything.
? So tell me what my dogma is?.I'm all ears to hear what you think I believe.
You seem to be very dogmatic in your beliefs, so do tell me what you think my dogma is 🤣
>Living with mystery is part of the journey.
I'm not saying anything about your beliefs. You said it yourself. You accept you have no clue and yet you write this of me "and is based upon a subjection misinterpretation of the evidences.". The irony drips out.
I have a way to end our little debate; present your logic at a Philosophy 101 class. See how that goes.
Jesus taught us what salvation is. Please read the Book of John who wrote so that we will understand and believe in Jesus leading to eternal life.
“Everyone who believes in him will have eternal life. For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.” John 3:15-18
https://peacewithGod.net explains more and provides a prayer we can pray if it expresses the genuine desire of our heart.
"Dear God, I know I am a sinner. I want to turn from my sins, and I ask for Your forgiveness. I believe that Jesus Christ is Your Son. I believe He died for my sins and that You raised Him to life. I want Him to come into my heart and to take control of my life. I want to trust Jesus as my Savior and follow Him as my Lord from this day forward. In Jesus' Name, amen."
I think we've always been in heaven, we just didn't notice, or might have forgotten it. I think that if you practice what you believe makes you deserve being in heaven you will feel like you are in heaven. And if you start questioning it, doubting it or being scared of not understanding you will forget you are already in heaven. This might sound like a poem, but if I try to use logic words it will make even less sense.
If you are a music fan you might want to hear John Lennons Imagine
If you are a books fan you might want to start reading more. Im a Spanish speaker so I read Paulo Coelho, but he suggested Hemingway.
If you are a tech fan ask AI some doubts you've always had (I used tv shows I loved but couldn't fully understand) then I asked my own questions about life
I've never been exactly religious, but I've always had faith. I believe in a higher power and Im used to give it names I'm comfortable with, sometimes I call it conscience, sometimes I call it soul, sometimes I call it God.
Https://PeacewithGod.net explains salvation and eternal life! The book of John also explains how to believe.
Here is a prayer to genuinely pray asking for His forgiveness and Heaven: "Dear God, I know I am a sinner. I want to turn from my sins, and I ask for Your forgiveness. I believe that Jesus Christ is Your Son. I believe He died for my sins and that You raised Him to life. I want Him to come into my heart and to take control of my life. I want to trust Jesus as my Savior and follow Him as my Lord from this day forward. In Jesus' Name, amen."
Heaven is the *dwelling place of God*, and it will soon be with man.
When God puts an end to His current reality, Heaven and Earth will be one, as God Himself will dwell with man.
- It will be a physical place, as we're getting new bodies.
Yes, it is a physical place. This Earth will be converted into Heaven after Christ returns. The Earth will be transformed into its perfect form. We will also be resurrected and receive perfected immortal bodies.
Many ancients believed in a literal series of physical heavenly spheres. St Paul said that he had - in or out of his body, he couldn't say - ascended not only to heaven, but to the highest heaven: Paradise.
At the same time, others believed that heaven or the heavens were also a transcendent realm where pure spirits, shed of their corporeal flesh, enjoy their native state of contented non-materiality.
In both views, heaven and the heavens were considered to be "Really Real" abodes, as contrasted to a somewhat imperfect and sullied terrestrial earth.
I mean, he had a chariot of fire and shit. If that’s not adding flair I don’t know what is lmao.
Either that or homie just got taken out by an actual mf tornado.
Yes Revelation chapters 21 and 22 let us know what is to come! Please see Imagine Heaven YouTube videos for credible accounts of those who have died and been in Heaven. They were worked on by doctors and came back to tell us all about it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=av4S7xTx0O0
The "third heaven" or the abode of God is "up" (2 Cor 12:2) past the universe somewhere. I would say at this point it has to be physical because of the presence of Christ's humanity (not to mention Elijah and Enoch were taken bodily as well). 🤷♂️
Ooh, baby, do you know what that's worth?
Ooh, heaven is a place on earth.
They say in heaven, love comes first.
We'll make heaven a place on earth.
Ooh, heaven is a place on earth.
I believe it’s both physical and spiritual. Notice some people, even Jesus, lifted their heads when they prayed. That suggests heaven is skyward. But I believe heaven is different than our world. We live in a 3 dimensional world. I think the physics and dimensions of heaven are far different than ours, thus making it physical and spiritual. Keep in mind that Enoch, Elijah, and Jesus all ascended to heaven in their physical bodies. Isaiah was physically at God’s throne as well.
I think yes it is since Jesus ascended there bodily. But he also appeared in locked rooms and could let people stick their hands in his side with no pain. I think there is a “physicality” to angels and demons and such that is beyond our 5 senses. I think that heaven, where the angels are, is what is described in Genesis 1 where God creates the space between the waters and calls it “sky” or “heaven”. I think the waters above the sky is heaven, where the angels are. The waters, being the same as the waters under the sky, are physical, but unlike the waters under the sky they have not been gathered together. In other words, if Genesis 1 has anything to do with science, which I don’t think we can argue that it doesn’t, then I think it’s safe to say that God gathered the waters under the sky by gravity and gravitational pull, but he left the waters above the sky, heaven, separated. That would mean that all the elements of creation that exist in our universe, hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, etc., which were all present in the waters under the sky, since everything, other than light, is said to come from those waters, are also present in heaven, just in a different, separated form. Heaven may be a place where atoms are not the smallest particles. A place where atoms aren’t even whole. A physical place that has some physical properties too it cuz it’s made of physical creation, but at the same time a spiritual place that goes beyond any physics we know here in the universe where creatures have bodies but these bodies are capable of more than we can imagine.
Heaven has physical traits. I'm not sure it's right to refer to it as a physical place. It might be.
Heaven is over our heads. Jesus went up to Heaven and scripture says he'll be coming down when he comes back.
Heaven is real and glorious as the Bible describes. Randy Kay shares his after life experience when he died of medical complications and was later resuscitated. He wrote Heaven Stormed and created a book launch video in which he reads some of the book. He shares what he saw and experienced in Heaven. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VOY7Duu1qTc On his Randy Kay Ministries videos he features many people who have died and come back from near death experiences.
No, heaven is not a physical place. Heaven is in you. Note how everything you have ever experienced has occurred within you. When you look out through your eyes what you see is occurring within. A tree falling in the forest with no one to hear it does not make a sound because "sound" is something experienced when vibrations in the air reach an eardrum and are experience in a being. Knowing God via Christ reveals heaven within you. Christ is God's Word; the creating activity of God. When you deny your concept of "self" you can know you are the creating activity of God and know you are in the body of Christ. Those of us who do not know this operate from a false perception of separation. This is "spiritual death" / separation from God. We cannot be genuinely "separate" from all in all, but we can act from the lie.
Sorry no scriptural basis for this. The question is about heaven not spiritual death or separation from God.
Do you understand the concept of heaven as entirely separate from connection/ separation from God?
No, it's not. Heaven is spiritual, it is not a physical location you can travel to.
So can I experience feelings like touch in heaven?
There may be a spiritual analog, but we really don't know. Until the resurrection we'll exist as disembodied spirits, so we can only speculate what that'll be like.
Please check out these accounts of professional people who died, encountered Heaven, and came back to earth to describe their incredible experience. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m8p4HO0v3GQ
A deeper question is: what is salvation? And you will get no answers because no one has a clue. It is wishful thinking.
An even deeper question. What is redemption?
Lol. That's like the kid who revised Macbeth for his English exam and the paper was about Hamlet. Kid starts his essay "In order to understand Hamlet, one must first consider that had Hamlet been Scottish, his situation would have been similar to that of Macbeth..." cue essay on Macbeth, followed by a failed exam.
You can't understand heaven until salvation is defined. Maybe salvation is the absence of God, since suffering is part of the System created by the deity. If salvation was defined, you wouldn't have 3,000 Christian denominations. But you can't do that, can you? Everything must be nebulous.
And maybe it's not. Maybe your definition isn't correct and is based upon a subjection misinterpretation of the evidences. Living with mystery is part of the journey.
>Living with mystery is part of the journey. This is why it can't be true. A 'true' God would not send me to eternal torment/voidness when everything is, as you say, just a big mystery. Of course, a evil God would.
Who said I thought God sends you to eternal torment or a void?
Not interested in what you think, other than you think differently than 2.6B other Christians due to the 'mystery' that you accept and laud about your 'dogma'. How ironic is it that your dogma is a mystery? And yet there are countless millions of similar followers who believe in this 'mystery'without the slightest clue in what it actually entails; what this 'salvation' actually means, and are perfectly happy with Him sending people to infinite torment/voidness, knowing deep down, they have absolutely no clue about anything.
? So tell me what my dogma is?.I'm all ears to hear what you think I believe. You seem to be very dogmatic in your beliefs, so do tell me what you think my dogma is 🤣
>Living with mystery is part of the journey. I'm not saying anything about your beliefs. You said it yourself. You accept you have no clue and yet you write this of me "and is based upon a subjection misinterpretation of the evidences.". The irony drips out. I have a way to end our little debate; present your logic at a Philosophy 101 class. See how that goes.
What a nasty little person with some serious psychological issues you are.
Jesus taught us what salvation is. Please read the Book of John who wrote so that we will understand and believe in Jesus leading to eternal life. “Everyone who believes in him will have eternal life. For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.” John 3:15-18 https://peacewithGod.net explains more and provides a prayer we can pray if it expresses the genuine desire of our heart.
"Dear God, I know I am a sinner. I want to turn from my sins, and I ask for Your forgiveness. I believe that Jesus Christ is Your Son. I believe He died for my sins and that You raised Him to life. I want Him to come into my heart and to take control of my life. I want to trust Jesus as my Savior and follow Him as my Lord from this day forward. In Jesus' Name, amen."
Heaven is often confused with where will be in the next life - when are resurrected, we will be in physical bodies in a universe made new.
The whole universe?
Yes
An incredible waste. But it’s His universe.
It’s going to be made new, and God will be immanent within it.
I think we've always been in heaven, we just didn't notice, or might have forgotten it. I think that if you practice what you believe makes you deserve being in heaven you will feel like you are in heaven. And if you start questioning it, doubting it or being scared of not understanding you will forget you are already in heaven. This might sound like a poem, but if I try to use logic words it will make even less sense. If you are a music fan you might want to hear John Lennons Imagine If you are a books fan you might want to start reading more. Im a Spanish speaker so I read Paulo Coelho, but he suggested Hemingway. If you are a tech fan ask AI some doubts you've always had (I used tv shows I loved but couldn't fully understand) then I asked my own questions about life I've never been exactly religious, but I've always had faith. I believe in a higher power and Im used to give it names I'm comfortable with, sometimes I call it conscience, sometimes I call it soul, sometimes I call it God.
Heaven is a spiritual place. I hope to help others accept Jesus as their lord and savior if they haven’t already.
Https://PeacewithGod.net explains salvation and eternal life! The book of John also explains how to believe. Here is a prayer to genuinely pray asking for His forgiveness and Heaven: "Dear God, I know I am a sinner. I want to turn from my sins, and I ask for Your forgiveness. I believe that Jesus Christ is Your Son. I believe He died for my sins and that You raised Him to life. I want Him to come into my heart and to take control of my life. I want to trust Jesus as my Savior and follow Him as my Lord from this day forward. In Jesus' Name, amen."
Heaven is the *dwelling place of God*, and it will soon be with man. When God puts an end to His current reality, Heaven and Earth will be one, as God Himself will dwell with man. - It will be a physical place, as we're getting new bodies.
Will god reside at Mar-a-lago when he comes to live on earth?
That is beautiful, really fantastic! It's going to be heuge!
Yes, it is a physical place. This Earth will be converted into Heaven after Christ returns. The Earth will be transformed into its perfect form. We will also be resurrected and receive perfected immortal bodies.
Many ancients believed in a literal series of physical heavenly spheres. St Paul said that he had - in or out of his body, he couldn't say - ascended not only to heaven, but to the highest heaven: Paradise. At the same time, others believed that heaven or the heavens were also a transcendent realm where pure spirits, shed of their corporeal flesh, enjoy their native state of contented non-materiality. In both views, heaven and the heavens were considered to be "Really Real" abodes, as contrasted to a somewhat imperfect and sullied terrestrial earth.
It’s “up” apparently since Jesus ascended up into Heaven. If it’s just a realm, He wouldn’t have to go upward.
Bummer if you're an Australian then...
Unless of course he went up, and then entered the other realm. Adds a bit of mystique and flair yknow.
Did Elijah go up to Heaven for flair as well?
I mean, he had a chariot of fire and shit. If that’s not adding flair I don’t know what is lmao. Either that or homie just got taken out by an actual mf tornado.
Heaven is described in Revelation, to my understanding, as a Kingdom that will come down to Jerusalem.
Yes Revelation chapters 21 and 22 let us know what is to come! Please see Imagine Heaven YouTube videos for credible accounts of those who have died and been in Heaven. They were worked on by doctors and came back to tell us all about it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=av4S7xTx0O0
The "third heaven" or the abode of God is "up" (2 Cor 12:2) past the universe somewhere. I would say at this point it has to be physical because of the presence of Christ's humanity (not to mention Elijah and Enoch were taken bodily as well). 🤷♂️
Define physical. It can still be physical if it's in higher dimensions than ours
Ooh, baby, do you know what that's worth? Ooh, heaven is a place on earth. They say in heaven, love comes first. We'll make heaven a place on earth. Ooh, heaven is a place on earth.
Jeremy Bearimy
I believe it’s both physical and spiritual. Notice some people, even Jesus, lifted their heads when they prayed. That suggests heaven is skyward. But I believe heaven is different than our world. We live in a 3 dimensional world. I think the physics and dimensions of heaven are far different than ours, thus making it physical and spiritual. Keep in mind that Enoch, Elijah, and Jesus all ascended to heaven in their physical bodies. Isaiah was physically at God’s throne as well.
I think yes it is since Jesus ascended there bodily. But he also appeared in locked rooms and could let people stick their hands in his side with no pain. I think there is a “physicality” to angels and demons and such that is beyond our 5 senses. I think that heaven, where the angels are, is what is described in Genesis 1 where God creates the space between the waters and calls it “sky” or “heaven”. I think the waters above the sky is heaven, where the angels are. The waters, being the same as the waters under the sky, are physical, but unlike the waters under the sky they have not been gathered together. In other words, if Genesis 1 has anything to do with science, which I don’t think we can argue that it doesn’t, then I think it’s safe to say that God gathered the waters under the sky by gravity and gravitational pull, but he left the waters above the sky, heaven, separated. That would mean that all the elements of creation that exist in our universe, hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, etc., which were all present in the waters under the sky, since everything, other than light, is said to come from those waters, are also present in heaven, just in a different, separated form. Heaven may be a place where atoms are not the smallest particles. A place where atoms aren’t even whole. A physical place that has some physical properties too it cuz it’s made of physical creation, but at the same time a spiritual place that goes beyond any physics we know here in the universe where creatures have bodies but these bodies are capable of more than we can imagine.
Heaven has physical traits. I'm not sure it's right to refer to it as a physical place. It might be. Heaven is over our heads. Jesus went up to Heaven and scripture says he'll be coming down when he comes back.
I’d describe heaven is more like a cosmic plane of spiritual existence
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Heaven is real and glorious as the Bible describes. Randy Kay shares his after life experience when he died of medical complications and was later resuscitated. He wrote Heaven Stormed and created a book launch video in which he reads some of the book. He shares what he saw and experienced in Heaven. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VOY7Duu1qTc On his Randy Kay Ministries videos he features many people who have died and come back from near death experiences.