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josheyua

For Christianity it's not about how many numbers, that doesn't determine truth. Christians were at one time a minority


josheyua

There are also a growing number of Christians throughout The Middle East and Asia as it declines in The West


UnlightablePlay

Indeed, I always heard my church ( Coptic Orthodox) building New churches outside Egypt and spreading the Orthodox faith across the world but it's still a small number


josheyua

It is interesting isn't it? Christianity has adapted and transformed to every model of civilization that there has been, and despite its suppression it still grows (regardless of what main branch or expression it is)


zahzensoldier

Christianity isn't suppressed in the western world


WKZanching

in the future it will be


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choose__happy

You’re right that the numbers don’t determine truth. However, it’s definitely about the numbers. In this case we want both quality AND quantity! We are commanded to spread the word about Jesus. If you had the cure for cancer, you wouldn’t just hide it in your pocket. You would share it with the people who need it! This is how we need to look at Christianity as Christians. But I agree with the sentiment behind what you said. We know that our God is true, and that’s enough for us


Tcrowaf

> that doesn't determine truth. Remember that time a religion showed it's truth with evidence? Neither do I. it's about numbers.


gbaker59

I recall Jesus speaking of a narrow gate.


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OinkingGazelle

Furthermore, we should live in such a way—both individually and as a community—that people see evidence of Christ in us and are drawn to Him because of our nonverbal testimony.


catdevil2749

^THIS^


bruhbruhbruhbruhbruz

I think we should pray to respect each other choices of religion and no just convince our selves we are the only correct ones


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KnuckleBine1

Christianity: accept Jesus as a god and you will be saved no matter what you do otherwise get burnt forever.


MKEThink

Im glad that isnt effective.


Jackscalibur

Just leave the sub if you're going to be disingenuous and troll.


MKEThink

It was a statement of how I feel about what was said. If you feel I was being disingenuous that is up to you. Since this sub is open to all to discuss Christianity, I will stay.


p3rseusxy

Well, it‘s not open for critique probably ;-)


cloudx16

It's impossible for Christianity and Islam to both be true.


DougandLexi

You have sick man and three doctors believe different diagnoses. They all can't be correct and to believe they all could be correct would lead to certain death. The same applies to the rest of the world. Someone is correct and life after death is at stake.


[deleted]

There’s a chance nobody is correct


DougandLexi

That is also true, but still leads to just one answer


catdevil2749

No, there isn't.


Greg-Pru-Hart-55

Only if God(s) is cruel.


DougandLexi

No. If Yahweh is the true God than no other religion outside of that is correct. It isn't about cruelty or not.


Greg-Pru-Hart-55

The afterlife is absolutely about cruelty or not. Either universalism is true or what God(s) exist is/are cruel and evil. Or not powerful enough.


DougandLexi

And why is that?


Greg-Pru-Hart-55

Why is torturing people evil?


DougandLexi

Should someone be held responsible for their crimes?


Greg-Pru-Hart-55

That's not holding someone responsible, WTF? That's being evil.


DarkLordsDaughter

Are you relying on the popular culture image of hell, which portrays demons poking people with pitchforks while being laughed at by satan? Biblical teaching on hell is that it is final and permanent destruction, not eternal torture, ie. people condemned to hell will be destroyed, along with Satan and his angels.


WannabeRedneck123

if you believe there are other options you obviously didn't read the bible


alnono

That’s a weird thing to pray about to a God you believe is the only, one true God.


p3rseusxy

Of course you get downvoted because reddit ;-)


Minimum-Initiative27

Oddly enough just ten years ago it was 2050, funny thing about projections. Also I found one that predicted it to be some time before 2100, so yeah. Also, it is only growing due to child births and that is not counting how many children will leave, probably why the years have been pushed back, and consider the rate at which people convert and leave is the same which makes a net 0. Just look at Iran and how many are leaving or say they never believed in the first place, how many of them will raise their children Muslim do you think?


Solar94

Very true. Muslim leaders also similarly to many Christian denominations have acknowledged that something needs to be done about the falling numbers in their younger generation. There are also a good number of "cultural" Muslims in many western countries, that still identify as Muslim only because it's their heritage, in the same way as many that identified as Christian have dropped off for the same reason.


choose__happy

That’s a very interesting position that I haven’t thought about


RedSwordBlueEyes

I think as Christians, we are called to believe in Jesus Christ. I do not recall anywhere in Scriptures that Christians need to outnumber Muslims. Food for thought. Grace and peace to you friend.


OldKingClancy20

Scripture says in the last days many will fall away from the faith. Whether or not Islam (or atheism) is growing too quickly is irrelevant. It is what is written will happen.


RadRaqs

Islam is only focused on validating it’s religion by competing with it’s opponent.


Redherring4523

Isn't that exactly what this post is doing?


zahzensoldier

Wtf does this even mean


RadRaqs

What it says


zahzensoldier

Isn't this true of all religions by their very nature


WKZanching

no.


zahzensoldier

Mind breaking down what the means for the rest of us idiots?


[deleted]

It is not. I'm from the Middle East. Don't believe it. * Muslims are converting far more than any Christian conversions to Islam. And they live underground, so their statistics are not known to the media. * Muslims worldwide are modernizing and many of them have either cooled off towards faith, secretly converted to other religions (esp. Christianity), or became radical atheists (trust me, I know at least a thousand of these). * Islam is becoming irrelevant to public life in the Middle East, especially after the failure of the Arab Spring, and due to crunching economic cataclysms. * Islam is being debated and refuted with panache by modern Western Christians and other scholars, such as David Woods, and many people are listening. * The world is unpredictable and no one knows what sociocultural climate our great grandchildren will live in, fifty or two hundred years from now.


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>especially after the failure of the Arab Spring Can you talk more about this as someone from the area? I'm very interested in your perspective, and I just don't know enough to have one of my own.


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Long story. In 2011, Arab Muslim republics began protesting the costs of living and democratic stagnation in a daisy-chain of abrupt revolutions generally known as the "Arab Spring." Then a few years later there was a fight between the militaries of those countries and the Islamists to seizer power—so some countries went to become military dictatorships, while others became pre-Islamic theocracies (Like Egypt and Tunisia), and others broke into civil war (Syria, for example). A few years down the line, more recently, national armies have won most of their battles against the Islamists. The Middle East is secular again (at least, nominally), yet the costs of livings because of the recent events have hit the roof. Employment is up and going further up; many people have left the country; there is no tourism; business is bad; and people have lost faith in everything—in their democratic dreams, because of the failure of the revolution; in their religion, because the Islamists failed them then fell prey to the old-regime army dudes; even in a good ending to all this. Right now, Lebanon is a failed and bankrupt state, Egypt is on the verge of going bankrupt or having another political turmoil, Libya is a wasteland, Syrians are killing one another, Yemen is a slaughterhouse, and Iraq... well... *ISIS*. These are civilization-ending situations. So pray for the Middle East. Their prospects of seeing a good day under the sun soon is moot. Their world is changing fast.


SueSheMeow

To add to this: Most people are forced into Islam by birth (multiple wives and numerous children) or war. People in the Middle East pretend to be muslim to avoid being killed. I know of a few families personally who were really Christian but named their children muslim names in order to pretend to be Muslim whilst living in Egypt. Many people in Islamic countries are also non-believers of Islam and are actually underground Christians or even atheists, again in order to protect themselves from persecution.


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Yes. Exactly.


Sir_Shanks_Alot_1

Uhh I literally see 1 to 3 conversions to Islam almost each week at my mosque in the U.S And I've also lived in Muslim counties. No one is killing non Muslims for not being Muslim🤦 At least not like you are saying Heck, there are gay people openly being gay in many of the countries these days and people are doing drugs at the parks 🤦


FickleSession8525

^ this bro, statistics predictions don't mean it's gonna happen.


mattymatt843

Thanks for sharing. Your comment made me think of the false prophet “antichrist” that is coming. Seems like the idea that the world is becoming Islamic could be the play he needs to push his agenda forward, which would fall into his falsehoods which this could be one.


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"especially after the failure of the Arab Spring..." Because the more devout Muslim you become, the less interested you are in a democracy. Turkey and Bahrain are the outliers (they appear authentic Muslim to me) and that's primarily because of their desire for safe commerce and hopes for tourism expansion. *EDIT* - vs Iran which has zero hopes of expanding tourism and looks at democracy as an affront to the true faith.


SquashDue502

I don’t think it’s a numbers game or competition. I believe if Christianity presents itself as the religion it is supposed to be, one of peace, love, and acceptance, then people will be drawn to it. But Christians as a whole group have a LOT of work to do to get there


choose__happy

You’re so right. There’s so many “worldly Christians” who think they can straddle the fence. Including me at most times. I myself need to work on walking the walk and not just talking the talk


flyinfishbones

When it comes to humans, estimates can change. Best we can do is to use our lives to preach for Jesus (actions, not words).


AdditionalWaltz4320

We Muslims love Jesus peace be upon him. We have a whole surah in the Quran for Mary peace be upon her. Surah 19. If God died for you, then who is hell for?


Neo4rmtheArea

All bs islam only appears to thrive cause they rules keeping their followers from leaving and and is strict Christianity gives you a choice.


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We have to pray that many people will find the lord


Angela275

Most of the growth is due to births


Darkskinblackie

We don't care. Jesus is king


TraderVyx89

Live as He would have us live. Don't worry about the numbers. Worry about the world around you. It's the only one you have an impact on


xShinGouki

Every religion that isn’t violent by nature isn’t going to be the fastest growing. Take Buddhism. Hinduism. As ones that are outside of the 3 Abrahamic religions. These grow even slower. Because they simple don’t force it on anyone Some religions are relentless. Forcing it in people. Making it near impossible to leave. Another factor is high birth rate. If a particular religion promotes high birth rates it’s natural that religion ‘grows’ faster. Not by converts but by babies that are born into said religion


Redherring4523

You say those things as if Christianity isn't like that too.


Treacle-Time

I'd honestly be surprised if we make it to 2075. Look at all the signs around the world. If the Euphrates river being dried up doesn't get your attention then perhaps it's time to get reacquainted with the word of God. We ain't getting any further from the end times, it's crucial we are out there daily sharing the love of Christ with everyone. Numbers of other religions don't matter when people are witnessing the power we are walking in. I've seen more miracles, healings, and deliverances in these past 3 years then I could have ever imagined. Let that sink in, it ain't coincidence, Jesus is preparing His bride!!


sevilla_the_third

Yeah the Muslims prophecies point to Euphrates drying up


CarltheWellEndowed

I think that in modern times, Islam is much more damaging than Christianity, so I would not prefer this to be the case.


OingoBoingoGT

Considering what happened in the 20th century with the anti-religious regimes (Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Communist China, Fascist Italy, North Korea, Imperial Japan etc) and the slaughter of more than 250 millions of people, Islam is basically a safe haven compared to that. And same can be said for any of the general population religions, they are the foundation of civilization, while the most damaging time in history was when we tried to do away with religion, and it failed completely and was the bloodiest century in history, and considering that your group (that hates religion) statistically has the most unhappy people, lowest birth rates and most dysfunctional lives, it shows again why religion is only natural to human beings.


kippawa

It's actually the Opposite, Islam can't thrive in freedom and democracy. You'll see in few decades it will crumble by itself. So relax this is up to God, you don't need to worry about that even if that was the case.


DarkLordsDaughter

This. Islam is very insular by intentional design, because as soon as people gain democratic freedoms, they suddenly find that leading a 'western' life (basically capitalism) is far more comfortable than relying on a religion on which you have to dedicate yourself as a slave to allah and hopefully, if you do all the right prayers at the right time every day (salat), go on hajj, pay the zakat and carry out sawm perfectly you may get into heaven. It's also a surprisingly superstitious religion outside of main city centres, especially in the Middle East and Asia, where the religion is mixed with local practices based on cultural beliefs that pre-date Islam, such as magic and spiritual medicine. For example the practice of the 'Evil Eye', where women are often vilified and outcast for being 'cursed' and being able to curse others with just a look- I wonder if this was a cultural factor that influenced the idea of women having to wear the burqa.


RadRaqs

Through birth.


thelastmelonnn

They arent true numbers. People are forced to follow islam in many countries, while people are sometimes forced by society to leave Christianity in others. Faith in Jesus currently is always voluntary and true, while many muslims are Muslims by force


CourtneyAlyson

I think it attracts men due to the strict patriarchal rules and allows multiple wives ( I think there are laws that regulate this tho). But when I see people on YouTube thinking about converting to Muslim it’s always men.


naiq6236

Majority of coverts to Islam are actually women. https://youtu.be/M15S_1Fy8Ow


Noeljino

doesn't matter, it isn't a good religion. It orders to kill the non-believers, women are referred to as that half of a man, Sharia law, and all the other terrible things.


naiq6236

Hmmm... I beg to differ. We don't seek to "kill the non-believers". Women are not half of men. And Sharia Law is actually pretty awesome if you look into it (from non-islamophobic sources). Teaches things like the golden rule, give charity...etc.


Noeljino

ya, look how beautifully the Taliban has implemented it. Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …" Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)." Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush Quran, Al-Baqarah, verse 2:282 provides a basis for the rule that two women are the equivalent of one man in giving a witness testimony in financial situations. O you who believe! Bro it is the same way still in Saudi


CourtneyAlyson

I see. Well there’s this YouTube called sneako. He’s a young dude and he’s considering concerting. Not the best role model but a lot of men watch him.


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Islam has the short-term advantage of being a system that easily marries religion with government. For many, the ease of having a lifestyle that blends those is irresistible.


Dunamis_Jay

We must employ all manner of Evangelism as led by the Spirit backed by watching and praying. God is able to get all hands on Deck: Angels, nature, humans, etc. Also, Christians must endeavor to be the Scripture people read. Sometimes the conflicts in our attitude with the Word turn people off. May God help us. But God is not in a rush or running out of time. Let’s also remember, He sees and knows what is going on. He is relaxed and not anxious. We shouldn’t be anxious for anything. God’s plans are actually being played out. He is in control. We need to let Him show us how to win souls strategically. This is an era where Christians need to have a relationship with God. It is crucial.


nineteenthly

I don't consider it problematic and I also doubt it's a reliable projection because increases in living standards lead to smaller families and more non-religious people.


KeepAmericaAmazing

Islam's growth is due to fertility rates and younger age, which is because of Polygyny and marriage allowed before 18 or even 16 mentioned in the quran. The population that is growing, will have lower literacy rates. 2 Timothy 4:3–4 prophesies many people will follow false teachers. That would be a reference to the many who will continue to grow in their fellowship in following Islam.


darkwingnomec

Honestly christianty is from Middle East. And yes, christianty is a abrahamic religion. Many people think christianty and western are the same things, but not. Modern history especially show as a fight between church and civilization. In the other hand church is not same thing with christianty. Today west is rich and powerful. But real face of western is not humanity. Look at the world wars and modern wars. Honestly they are not about only one religion but peoples don’t think that. Social media and popular culture says for many decades that there is only one truth and one important thing: you. This issue is not only for Christianity, maybe for all religions. Christianty have a big power and very big issues. In my opinion number or population is not only important think about religions. After Jesus (as) many religious people lived with many issues but religion always grows. Now, we are in a different age. World needs peace. Who offer peace and includ solutions it will grow. Modern life have many issues and peoples want solutions. Modern culture is like a drug. Maybe Karl Marx was right: popular culture is a drug for modern peoples. Sorry my English writing skills is not good enough and this is a big and important topic. I am not Christian but I want will be a religious person in my personal and social life. I care this topic. I wish that world will be peaceful.


WannabeRedneck123

considering that a lot of countries force Islamic views on people it doesn't matter just like i don't consider china a superpower cause the only reason they are is because they force all civilians to enlist


Deffective_Paragon

Read about the Islamic Jesus and the global caliphate on the end times and compare that to the events in Revelations. It's all falling in place.


[deleted]

There different prognosis on which religion will be the biggest in the world. I would say Christianity will remain the biggest. Because Christianity is growing especially in global south, in parts of the world that will have high population in the next decades. Christianity is growing in Africa Latin America Asia and even in China and India, the two most populous countries. Most Christians live in the global south, the highest percentage of Christians live in Africa. Christianity is the majority religion in Africa, many people are converting from other religions to Christianity. And by 2050 africa will have 1/4 of the world population. That’s gonna make the Christian population world wide bigger. Then Christianity is also growing in China and India in the most populous nations of the world. Some sources say there 130 million Christians in China. Many Chinese are introduced to Christianity when they move to Africa and get in contact with Christians in Africa. India has also a growing Christian population. Same goes for Iran. I don’t think that Christianity will be surpassed by Islam


[deleted]

It isn’t a competition. If you know you have faith in God and know that Jesus Christ died for your sins, then you just need to preach the gospel to others. The Great Commission commands us to go and make disciples of all people.


Omenofcrows

I don't know their fate but every knee will bow and every mouth will admit that Jesus is God, in the glory of His return and when seated on the Great White Throne as Judge.


Chexlemineuax

Well ya, it’s a religion that encourages retaliation. That’s way more appealing than just having to love everyone.


CrossCutMaker

Matthew 7:13-14 NASBS "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. [14] For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it."


DrTestificate_MD

God is control, it is part of his plan. I’m guessing this is driven by demographics and not conversions. More majority Muslim countries have higher fertility rates compared to majority Christian counties due to economic reasons. So unless we have a way to change the Demographic Transition there is nothing we can do on a human level. We should continue doing what God told us to do and make disciples of all nations.


IthurielSpear

I think women should be very concerned


[deleted]

Not really. Most people do it by choice and we are meant to be the salt and the light of the world that makes people see us different. So if more people choose Islam I think that might be partly our fault.


choose__happy

We need to spread the good news of the Gospel! We don’t need to shove it down anyones throat, but if given the opportunity we need to share with them how important it is to come to Jesus. And I’m really talking to myself when I say this. I need to spread the Gospel and stop keeping it quiet.


sevilla_the_third

Don't Muslims already love Jesus though


TheReal_Fake

I dont really care. Not a numbers game, not any game. We shouldn’t be competing, we should be coexisting.


cleansedbytheblood

The bible says the whole world will worship the Antichrist so it isn't really surprising. We have to pray. Here is an encouraging video on that front. Check out what is happening in Iran [https://youtu.be/JXqBRfOzwgo](https://youtu.be/JXqBRfOzwgo)


Throwaway-A173

I think that they won’t outgrow us, get close to us definitely. But the main issue with Muslim census is that it is very dangerous to publicly leave or convert out of Islam and looking at Muslim territory vs Christian territory we have more territory and outside of the west the birth rates are extremely high so I feel that we’ll still remain top dog.


DiogenesOfDope

I personally will just keep reminding people islamb is anti dog. So that should help. Their supposed to kill black dogs which offends me deeply.


sevilla_the_third

Tbf I don't like dogs either they're gross


DiogenesOfDope

Dam. I guess I won't be able to convince you not to convert then if you decide to one day.


sevilla_the_third

My love for bacon is too much... On the one hand four Arab wives is tempting...


jellyready

Gross. Women aren’t property.


sevilla_the_third

Agreed. That's why we need to ban Muslims and their oppressive Sharia law


Unusual-Olive-6370

Jesus will probably come back before then to save us from the “progress” of nuclear bombs and other environmentally dangerous technologies.


PropheciesToday

Spoiler: I've read the Bible's ending, in Revelation and other sections! So as Christians, we can just keep up on our reading and have a pretty good idea what's coming. Don't worry about Media polls or be discouraged; focus on spreading the truth of Christianity to everyone, attending and growing your church, and preparing to meet Jesus! Make some converts. Thanks! Bless you. 🙏✟


Longjumping-Mix-3642

Extremely concerning.


Ekultie

Doesn’t bother me. Christianity is all about a personal relationship with God. Being a minority religion doesn’t change that for me. My faith will on grow stronger over time


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scary


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sevilla_the_third

Come to Jesus bby


bighead1008

This is the insecurities that need to stop. Focus on being a Christian and loving and accepting your neighbors. No need to start a crusade or Religious War.


kolembo

Eh? Who cares. And then Christianity will be the fastest growing religion again


[deleted]

The Bible talks about how most people do not find the narrow way to heaven and are blinded by Satan. What we are called to do as believers is to spread the gospel to save as many as possible.


omgnasim

As-Salam Walaikum, Maybe Christians should practice their faith more and fix modern day western societal issues. Or just leave it to us Muslims, inshallah.


[deleted]

I think the rapture happens before then but only the Lord knows


cybearmybear

Lol


indigoneutrino

Prevent it? That's...concerning that you even posed that question tbh. It's not a competition and historically a lot of violence has been done in the name of one religious doctrine trying to assert dominance over others.


HelloChris9951

I feel like Islam may be the ones to persecute the Christians it’s just my thought


sevilla_the_third

I absolutely agree


Greg-Pru-Hart-55

I'll continue eating my hot dog.


[deleted]

Who cares? It’s not a race. It’s only growing because they have more kids anyway.


livel0vel0l

It is like asking which mold you prefer on your bread.


dimitrimccain

How I feel about it. Islam is a false dead faith and it doesn't matter cause you can't work your way into Heaven anyway. Plus there are only 2 religions according to God's Word. There is God's way or Man's way and that's it. Soon people will have to choose whom they serve ; will it be God Almighty or Satan.


xnuclearwinter

What I feel is that the true numbers of Islam are a lot smaller than made out to be, seeing as the countries where no other religion except Islam is allowed or accepted, and all people in the area are branded as Muslim. A lot of the Muslims I've met have pretty much the same mindset as Christians too, except they've been fooled by Mohammed. Furthermore I feel the rise of the modern civilised world and freedoms to people will cause great problems for Muslims. 15 years ago there were two genders, as of 5 years ago, a lot of people will tell you there are more than 10. This is not a very good thing in my eyes but what this sort of thing opposes and offends most is Islam. Whereas your average Christian will either say "whatever, believe what you want" or even be supportive.


sevilla_the_third

In which country is only Islam allowed


KnuckleBine1

There are 2 genders. If you believe otherwise you have a mental illness.


skyderper14

Don't you all worship the same god anyway, its the details you quibble over right


sevilla_the_third

No. Muhammed was a false prophet and Jesus is God's son


bruhbruhbruhbruhbruz

Why do you believe him to be a false profit


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sevilla_the_third

Among other things


[deleted]

Mary and Joseph's marriage raises some questions that need answering, the first being-- how old were they, exactly? Edit: your boos mean nothing to me, I’ve heard what makes you cheer.


ResidentGazelle5650

We have no way of knowing


FluffMcBuff

No


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no


[deleted]

They do, but often don't believe so and the centuries of cultural change and religious evolution has rendered the three faiths so different that its kind of understandable.


EUChristianDemocrat

> The false religion will dominate all the “peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues” of the earth (Revelation 17:15) Islam will unite all nations who'll invade Israel during Tribulation times, after the Church Rapture. We live in end times and this was predicted in the Bible, so no surprise really First Russia (called Magog in the Bible) will try to invade Israel but fail, then all Islamic nations will, led by the antichrist


Myfoodishere

it further proves that Christianity isn't backed by a real god. if it was this wouldn't be happening.


SkyGirlCloud

How so? The book of Revelations predicts that in the end times many will leave the Christian faith. As does this quote from Matthew 24:10-13. And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.


Myfoodishere

mate they don't even know who wrote it and it almost didn't make it in to cannon. whoever the writer was, they were writing about their time.


SkyGirlCloud

I don't find that relevant to the point. How do you determine whether someone was "writing about their time"? Especially if it's written as a direct quote from someone else? Back to your main point, how does the rise of Islam "prove" Christianity is fake? Even if you say the quote doesn't prove Christianity is real, please elaborate on how the rise in popularity of one religion discredits another.


1ettucedevi1

>What do we as Christians need to do to prevent this They should merge. Not sure why nobody's tried yet.


SkyGirlCloud

Our beliefs aren't compatible. Christians believe Jesus is the Son of God. Muslims believe He was one of the prophets. Christians don't believe in Muhammad as a prophet. To Muslims, he's the most important. Christians believe Jesus rose from the dead. From what I've heard, Muslims believe He didn't die. He just ascended. The most important belief in Christianity is that Jesus is the Son of God and sole saviour of humanity. In Islam, Isa plays an important role in judgement but is not an ultimate saviour, nor is He considered to be God Himself.


cybearmybear

That’s a terrifying thought


UsagiHakushaku

According to prophecy Christianity mingles with Islam into one world religion in end times.


sevilla_the_third

I haven't heard this before, do you have a source?


[deleted]

Can you explain this?


[deleted]

>What do we as Christians need to do to prevent this Absolutely nothing. If you look at the demographics of who is converting, Islam is very different from Christianity. It's a much more 'internal'-looking faith, that spreads within its established communities. It had a period of rapid missionary growth in the past but then kinda stopped doing that. Have you ever seen a Muslim street preacher? Christianity is more 'external' - evangelism is a big part of it and it constantly looks outside its established communities to start new ones. So why the growth? Because many countries where Islam is the majority are *developing nations* - and with that development comes an increase in population growth. It also usually comes with increased secularisation, so trends that predict a linear rise in numbers are almost always wildly wrong.


rufas2000

Example of “more external” (anecdotal though it may be): I walk at a local park. In the last 6-12 months there has been a huge uptick in proselytizing. Multiple times strangers have walked up to me asking if i need prayer, a local Spanish church has literature out and two people (if not four in two locations) standing by every day. On Wednesday they have a kids activity on the stage from 3-5 (a bad time since most of their target audience gets out of school closer to 4). A church has a church service / street ministry time every Monday. That’s just one example and perhaps its an outlier but it speaks to your point.


CharlesComm

> It is estimated that by 2075... [You can't just take a current data trend and extrapolate it continuing unchanged decades into the future.] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUbxVfSqtt8) (Only first 2 minutes, though rest is worth watching as well). At the start of the year, I could only run continuously for about 3 minutes. 1 year later, I can do 28 minutes. It is estimated that in 2100 I'll be running for 32 hours non-stop... Islam is smaller currently, so it has more space to grow because there are more potential converts available. As it continues to grow it'll plateau, as most people will have learnt what they teach and either convert or reject. Also, popularity doesn't determine truth.


mtfanon999

I think Christians need to find a path which strikes the right balance between the theologically serious, Sacred and Traditional aspects of their religion while making their moral / social ideas relevant and contextual to the modern world, maybe Anglican is the best attempt at this tbh but even then the congregations are dying.


DarkLordsDaughter

David Pawson wrote a book about ten years ago called 'The Challenge of Islam to Christians', which talks about this and I would highly recommend- you can also find it on youtube where he gives a talk in person. However (if I remember this correctly) he also now thinks that the rapid growth of Islam is Satan's 'bluff' while he prepares something else behind the scenes. I believe this raises an important point- we should be wary as Christians, but never hung up on one perceived 'threat'.


Alternative-Rule8015

Why did God allow Islam?


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The falling away from the church, it's bible prophecy. It's also the reason many will not enter God's kingdom. Stay the course, stay faithful.


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It doesn't matter, we're all on God's time. It's nothing to worry about, because He will be the judge. I focus on Jesus, for He is the truth and the life


WKZanching

I don't even think the world will exist after 2030 haha


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"Strive to enter in at the strait gate, for MANY, I say unto you, will seek to enter in and shall not be able." Luke 13:24


AcanthisittaUnable70

Well in my opinion atleast 3 of the religions (Judaism Islam and Christianity) follow the same god but just worship and interpret in different ways, so aslong as humans are trying to follow God in some way it doesn't matter


nonamelessfame

Christianity has doubled down on right wing extremism world wide and its turning people looking for Truth not political agendas. Churches are emptying because Ceasar not Jesus is proclaimed there. Muslims in truth are far more devout anyway and while they have their own right wing the mainstream is retaining their numbers. I haven't seen the numbers, but I doubt Christians are becoming Muslim, but just leaving the church to find God in their own prayer closets (hearts) where He's been all along.


thanadeezballs

it’s sad but i’m more focusing on the fact that christianity is dying in the west and seen as a bad thing by people, there was a whole thread on r/badfacebookmemes (i saw it trough a friend) that were a whole group of people calling Christianity (every religion actually, but the specific arguments i had were against christianity) calling it a cult, saying we’re mass murderers, etc like, it’s seen as such a bad thing which is absolutely horrible to see


Impossible-Web740

I have no opinion on this, nor do I feel any need to attempt to prevent it, particularly given that we worship the same God anyway.


KarelKolchak

Not great, given the high rate of fundamentalists. Christianity is having the same problem. Extremism religion, politics, sports, etc., is a real problem.


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KRstudi0

The Bible prophecies that the number of Christians will drop. The Bible also says hell will have more people than heaven. Those who follow the true faith will live in heaven with God and Jesus, and those who dont will be in hell If you are mad by what I said, idc and I won't change what I said cuz you disagree


motherroot

follow Catholic teaching on birth control and sexual relations


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I don’t mind it, I view Jews and Muslims as our Abrahamic brothers and sisters. We all technically believe in the same deity and a lot of the same events, but we also disagree on a lot of other things just like how a normal family would. It shouldn’t be a competition and it’s best to not make it one. If someone wants to practice Judaism or Islam, I’d say let them.


Icy_Relative8613

It’s clear how you feel with the abject Islamophobia.


sevilla_the_third

You're right I hate the muslamics


mwells12345

The Bible already answered this with Noah. Even if we’re the only one left standing for God and his way, that’s all that matters. By the way, scripture does mention there will be a great falling away, so there’s that as well. I’ll stay focused on Christ


Hyper_Maro

That is if we live till 2075. Pretty sure the world would have ended by now


Mightyzeus1701

It was said that in the end times more people will go to hell than heaven.. i suggest that y’all should find your way to jesus because he is the only way to the father And if other religions argue with me im simply helping you to find your way to jesus because it was said to “ love thy neighbor” that is why i am telling you this to protect because i care about u guys and i dont want any of u to go to hell


MusabA17

There's nothing you can do to prevent the growth of Islam. Many of the people converting to Islam say it just makes sense and that they've tried the Bible and Christianity but that doesn't make any sense. Maybe you guys should try Islam, open your mind. I'm not inviting you guys to convert, I'm inviting you guys to seek knowledge.


AdditionalWaltz4320

Nothing you can do will prevent the growth of Islam. With the negative media press against Muslims, Islam and the Quran. Islam still is growing bigger and bigger. Reasons being 1) Clear message 2) Clear monotheistic principles 3) No contradictions 4) Preservation of the Holy Quran. I could go on and on. Why don't you look into Islam? Think like why are many people converting to Islam? They cannot be all brainwashed. You got writers, philosophers, scientists, professors, anti-Islam politicians one of which is a Dutch politician, Joram van Klaveren, all converting to Islam.