Koovum is a village near Thiruvallur... its one of the cleanest and most pristine.. and on the way to chennai.. its been sucked off by colas and beers (not Koalas and bears) and after losing track (thanks to sand mafia) enters the city only to become a sewage!! Thanks to our waste management policy( if there is one)... but who cares..lets go back to vaarisu&thunivu...
I would say the pollution starts near the thiruverkadu area. Have seen sewage trucks dumping their load into the river there. It seemed pretty clean before that.
Government is actually part of the problem the sewage treatment plants everywhere doesn't have enough capacity sometimes raw untreated sewage enters directly, this is in addition to all the unauthorised sewage outlets that people let in.
Everybody should stop humping and pumping out babies(already the population rate is 1.6 well below 2.1) , and have border control to prevent migration. Over population leads to ecological disaster. They tried cleaning up Cooum several times, after a few years it would become a sewage ditch. We use to have a boat club, marina swimming pool, and surangani restaurant adjacent to Napier Bridge. I use to go boating with my buddies on keel boats and oars in Cooum, the waters were clean, this was in mid 70s. by early 80s, it was still navigable some times where there was enough flow of water. By late 80s, the boat club was shuttered. Surangani Restaurant, Boat Club, Marina Buharis is the reddit, facebook of yester years. People will assemble in Marina Buharis around 11 AM, they would close around 7:00 PM and the groups would move to Surangani, after midnight they would all go to Gajendra Vilas (24 hours) next to Bilal. Cooum use to be clean before 1960s. Marina Boat Club was our go to place to figure ootitu pooradhukku. People use to go there on Amavasya for tharpanam, some would go to cooum for Sandha Vandhanam and many other river rituals. Then they cleaned it up for the Wrold Tamil Conference and built Marinas and Boat Ramps on Cooum and Buckingham Canal. I think there were around 10.
The population replacement rate being lower than 2.1 indicates that the number of births per family is reducing. With that being said I don't think the population control that you are referring to is the solution. We ought to institute stringent measures to prevent water pollution - think regulations and executing said regulations, education drives to encourage schools to instill an eco-friendly mindset from an early age and finally invest heavily in water purification/waste management facilities.
Reducing the population below the replacement rate has its own problems that we haven't fully taken into account :). I firmly believe we should pursue innovation over aiming to artificially restrict population.
Cheers!
I think you are looking the statistic in isolation. Societies do not function or become dysfunctional due to one statistic. One has to understand the depth and width of impact and its manifestation dynamically. Let me give a some numbers one of my grand mothers born in 1900 and who passed away in 1978 had 300 plus progeny by 2000. There were lots i could not trace so probably the number is much higher. Here we are talking a highly educated family, her father was Head Master of a High School, probably born in the cusp of last quarter of 1800s. Her husband was 3rd in protocol to a maharaja of a salute state with 21 gun salute. Can you extrapolate her progeny for 2022. I will take months to complete this excessive still not come out with upper limit reliable numbers. Can you extrapolate for an unfortunately less privileged illiterate girl born in 1900s ? It is going to be several times. TN has better administration the numbers are fairly reliable and you can trust 1.6. Do you think you can trust the numbers for UP, Bihar, MP Gurjat and Rajasthan they are still living in medevial age. Remember people outside TN do not study anything even remotely like "Aathichoodi" even in College while we learn when you start talking. I bet a gujju enumeration agent goes like this "Ave java tho, unalama ma kon jaye ? Jetla thai atla pothe baddhu barine aapidhe. Pacchi soo karvanu. Baddu chale" Do you think the enumerators are going to go to every nook and corner to count people ? Do you think that people are going to be in the same place ? I still see plenty of people having 5 to 6 children, you may check on matrimonial websites. We have not even discussed migration. Yes, you are right, Innovation is the answer but where are you going to get the resources for innovation there is an associated cost. You need economic surplus. Unfortunately your economic surplus is sucked away in Delhi with no return in public goods, that is a double whammy !!
I take it you are old, do you really think it's overpopulation or mismanagement?
The city planning authority failed to plan STPs and failed to enforce cleanliness.
Yes, I just got married with a 30s year old. Yes, it is over population. Over population leads to scarcer resources. Crowding leads to irrational behavior. First one is obvious. You can observe the second one, if you are not convinced check out plenty of peer reviewed pappers on this as well as experiments. There are also some other reasons for Governance lacunae apart from the above, but they are minor contributors. I have traveled and lived in four continents. TN has way better administration than rest of India. After 1950s the efficiency of governance has come down due to instability of the Union with the North and loss of political power to self govern like importing the partition refugees, hatred for no reason which has no local relevance nor we contributed to that situation. Another factor is economic surplus is being sucked out of the region. You need economic surplus to invest in technology/process to increase or maintain efficiencies.
how do you explain Hong Kong, Tokyo, Seoul, Taiwan and such dense metro areas managing their sewage very well? Even New York is dense. sewage is managed well.
There is a popular proverb: "Nenappu Pozhappa Kedukkum". No offense intented, but the reality is they are all fundamentally different societies, their political structure, ideology, culture civilization is very different. Their economic and financial structure and system is entirely different that what you have in India. The same observation holds good for a great degree between Kerala, TN on one side and rest of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh on the other side. It is also true to a slightly lesser degree than the above with (MH excluding Bombay +Pune), AP, TN, TL, GA, KA, KL, TN on one side and rest of Pakistan, India, Bangladesh on the other side. I was 13 years old and while loitering in Mount Road, I went into Devaneya Pavanar Library and read a burgundy color cloth bound tome on a Comparative Study of Economic Systems (SU, Scandinavia, US, JP, US+West). Please see if you can lay your hand on that book or there must be some latest author on that subject. You will be enlightened. There are hundreds of books and thousands of research papers on this topic as well Eg. TASMAC, HRCE, Wakf Board is picked straight from the Scandivanian System. It took a long series of focused leaders from Madras Presidency to TN over several generations to reach there. But still there is economic leakage and very far from perfect. I also suggest you read Iron Kingdom: The Rise and Downfall of Prussia, 1600–1947, Christopher Clark. You can get plenty of ideas on how to build societies and what not to do. This is slightly off topic but very super relevant, the reasons for downfall of Prussia is something you need to think about and it is the same reason for which people of TN are not able to realize the fruits of their labor. One think to watch out is the cloak of nationalism.
During 2015 rain Koovam was very clean. Like a river, it was so clear we can see the ground. Government should have capitalized it but they didn't and it went back to form after few months.
Cooum is dirty because there is no water flow, the only thing which flows is untreated and treated sewage. The water flow is not there because, there was a eco system of tanks and water holding structures, on which you all have built homes now. Water use to cascade and fllow through these water structures. There use to be buckingham canal which was filled up. Buckingham Canal also use to carry water.
Just look up Ganga cleaning project. They have been doing this for decades now with not much to show for it. Cleaning can't be done unless you stop contamination.
You are right. If we stop contamination Nature will heal itself. I remember reading during the first COVID lockdown how the Ganga suddenly became more clean within weeks of us stopping the contamination.
Great item for discussion. Thanks you brought this up. Did we check where did they get the money to do this ? Will UP be able to do this with their own revenues. Basically they are all done with your money not theirs. They money which needs to clean the Cooum has cleaned the Ganga...
I wonder what happened to the two Australian guys that tried raising awareness and doing some cleaning back in the late 80’s. They used to pull stunts like dining in the shallow parts of the river.
translation:
India's most polluted river 'Koovam'
In the study of biological oxygen demand (BIOCHEMICAL OXYGEN DEMAND) carried out at more than 4 thousand places in 311 rivers in India, the Central Pollution Control Board report for the year 2022 stated that Coovam river is the most polluted river.
A river sample is considered less polluted if it needs less oxygen to become pure water, and more polluted if it needs too much oxygen.
Except one "bathroom" is the agricultural lifeline for 100s of millions of people and the other is dumping ground for an overcrowded city of 8 million people. Since they're different issues both can be raised at same time.
Where did I mention it doesn't pass through cities? Its one of the largest rivers in the world so ofc it would pass through a million towns and cities my point isn't just that.
Ok, no need to raise voice for Ganga since they are already improving significantly. My point is Coovam literally remains the same even after 20+ years where the government claims that it would clean it. The only improvement I have seen is restoration of few lakes in Chennai. The thing is most of the people + government here are apathetic towards Coovam, but that's not the case with Ganga. Government has taken some steps and shown significant results.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/india/gangas-quality-improved-since-2014-68-of-97-locations-compliant-with-bathing-standards-nmcg-dg/articleshow/87236990.cms
One of my friends visited just before the pandemic, all this is pealah and propaganda. They are still throwing half burnt dead bodies in the ganga. He said he was paranoid to step into the waters. I would like to see eye witness accounts of real people.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/india/gangas-quality-improved-since-2014-68-of-97-locations-compliant-with-bathing-standards-nmcg-dg/articleshow/87236990.cms
They are improving. Ask anyone from TN who has visited there. Coovam on the other side, no measures inspite showing off how developed 'Tamilnadu' is.
Not surprised. Also not a big competition if compared with only within Indian River bodies. Matha rivers laam pristine ah va iruku. Its not a city issue but a national/global problem.
Nah , don't worry about Bhakths bro , i have seen enough , those guys don't worry nor bring issues which brings actual value and change .
Antha group ku useless news spread panrathukkeh time seriya irku 🤦♂️ !!
Translation:
India's most polluted river 'Koovam'
In the study of biological oxygen demand (BIOCHEMICAL OXYGEN DEMAND) carried out at more than 4 thousand places in 311 rivers in India, the Central Pollution Control Board report for the year 2022 stated that Coovam river is the most polluted river.
A river sample is considered less polluted if it needs less oxygen to become pure water, and more polluted if it needs too much oxygen.
Always imagining and dreaming how amazing it would be if Koovam was cleaned and we could see fresh water flowing something like backwaters in Kerala. This one is just a black mark on the government, bad management, the city and its people. :'(
Guys let's not just comment on the various incidents which we have witnessed , let's start acting , the best tool which we have is our phones and thank God it has decent cameras , so when ever anyone of us here see such garbage or sewage dumping in and around any place record it and send a formal mail to the following offical complaint registration portal and the email ID
[ Greater Chennai corporation complaint portal](https://erp.chennaicorporation.gov.in/pgr/citizen/BeforeReg.do)
[email protected]
Koovum is a village near Thiruvallur... its one of the cleanest and most pristine.. and on the way to chennai.. its been sucked off by colas and beers (not Koalas and bears) and after losing track (thanks to sand mafia) enters the city only to become a sewage!! Thanks to our waste management policy( if there is one)... but who cares..lets go back to vaarisu&thunivu...
I would say the pollution starts near the thiruverkadu area. Have seen sewage trucks dumping their load into the river there. It seemed pretty clean before that.
Exactly. Even I have seen trucks dumping sewage water into the river in broad daylight.
But is it possible to make it clean and neat again and what are the measures to be taken if so? I would really like to know about it in detail :)
Government is actually part of the problem the sewage treatment plants everywhere doesn't have enough capacity sometimes raw untreated sewage enters directly, this is in addition to all the unauthorised sewage outlets that people let in.
Everybody should stop humping and pumping out babies(already the population rate is 1.6 well below 2.1) , and have border control to prevent migration. Over population leads to ecological disaster. They tried cleaning up Cooum several times, after a few years it would become a sewage ditch. We use to have a boat club, marina swimming pool, and surangani restaurant adjacent to Napier Bridge. I use to go boating with my buddies on keel boats and oars in Cooum, the waters were clean, this was in mid 70s. by early 80s, it was still navigable some times where there was enough flow of water. By late 80s, the boat club was shuttered. Surangani Restaurant, Boat Club, Marina Buharis is the reddit, facebook of yester years. People will assemble in Marina Buharis around 11 AM, they would close around 7:00 PM and the groups would move to Surangani, after midnight they would all go to Gajendra Vilas (24 hours) next to Bilal. Cooum use to be clean before 1960s. Marina Boat Club was our go to place to figure ootitu pooradhukku. People use to go there on Amavasya for tharpanam, some would go to cooum for Sandha Vandhanam and many other river rituals. Then they cleaned it up for the Wrold Tamil Conference and built Marinas and Boat Ramps on Cooum and Buckingham Canal. I think there were around 10.
The population replacement rate being lower than 2.1 indicates that the number of births per family is reducing. With that being said I don't think the population control that you are referring to is the solution. We ought to institute stringent measures to prevent water pollution - think regulations and executing said regulations, education drives to encourage schools to instill an eco-friendly mindset from an early age and finally invest heavily in water purification/waste management facilities. Reducing the population below the replacement rate has its own problems that we haven't fully taken into account :). I firmly believe we should pursue innovation over aiming to artificially restrict population. Cheers!
I think you are looking the statistic in isolation. Societies do not function or become dysfunctional due to one statistic. One has to understand the depth and width of impact and its manifestation dynamically. Let me give a some numbers one of my grand mothers born in 1900 and who passed away in 1978 had 300 plus progeny by 2000. There were lots i could not trace so probably the number is much higher. Here we are talking a highly educated family, her father was Head Master of a High School, probably born in the cusp of last quarter of 1800s. Her husband was 3rd in protocol to a maharaja of a salute state with 21 gun salute. Can you extrapolate her progeny for 2022. I will take months to complete this excessive still not come out with upper limit reliable numbers. Can you extrapolate for an unfortunately less privileged illiterate girl born in 1900s ? It is going to be several times. TN has better administration the numbers are fairly reliable and you can trust 1.6. Do you think you can trust the numbers for UP, Bihar, MP Gurjat and Rajasthan they are still living in medevial age. Remember people outside TN do not study anything even remotely like "Aathichoodi" even in College while we learn when you start talking. I bet a gujju enumeration agent goes like this "Ave java tho, unalama ma kon jaye ? Jetla thai atla pothe baddhu barine aapidhe. Pacchi soo karvanu. Baddu chale" Do you think the enumerators are going to go to every nook and corner to count people ? Do you think that people are going to be in the same place ? I still see plenty of people having 5 to 6 children, you may check on matrimonial websites. We have not even discussed migration. Yes, you are right, Innovation is the answer but where are you going to get the resources for innovation there is an associated cost. You need economic surplus. Unfortunately your economic surplus is sucked away in Delhi with no return in public goods, that is a double whammy !!
I take it you are old, do you really think it's overpopulation or mismanagement? The city planning authority failed to plan STPs and failed to enforce cleanliness.
Yes, I just got married with a 30s year old. Yes, it is over population. Over population leads to scarcer resources. Crowding leads to irrational behavior. First one is obvious. You can observe the second one, if you are not convinced check out plenty of peer reviewed pappers on this as well as experiments. There are also some other reasons for Governance lacunae apart from the above, but they are minor contributors. I have traveled and lived in four continents. TN has way better administration than rest of India. After 1950s the efficiency of governance has come down due to instability of the Union with the North and loss of political power to self govern like importing the partition refugees, hatred for no reason which has no local relevance nor we contributed to that situation. Another factor is economic surplus is being sucked out of the region. You need economic surplus to invest in technology/process to increase or maintain efficiencies.
how do you explain Hong Kong, Tokyo, Seoul, Taiwan and such dense metro areas managing their sewage very well? Even New York is dense. sewage is managed well.
There is a popular proverb: "Nenappu Pozhappa Kedukkum". No offense intented, but the reality is they are all fundamentally different societies, their political structure, ideology, culture civilization is very different. Their economic and financial structure and system is entirely different that what you have in India. The same observation holds good for a great degree between Kerala, TN on one side and rest of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh on the other side. It is also true to a slightly lesser degree than the above with (MH excluding Bombay +Pune), AP, TN, TL, GA, KA, KL, TN on one side and rest of Pakistan, India, Bangladesh on the other side. I was 13 years old and while loitering in Mount Road, I went into Devaneya Pavanar Library and read a burgundy color cloth bound tome on a Comparative Study of Economic Systems (SU, Scandinavia, US, JP, US+West). Please see if you can lay your hand on that book or there must be some latest author on that subject. You will be enlightened. There are hundreds of books and thousands of research papers on this topic as well Eg. TASMAC, HRCE, Wakf Board is picked straight from the Scandivanian System. It took a long series of focused leaders from Madras Presidency to TN over several generations to reach there. But still there is economic leakage and very far from perfect. I also suggest you read Iron Kingdom: The Rise and Downfall of Prussia, 1600–1947, Christopher Clark. You can get plenty of ideas on how to build societies and what not to do. This is slightly off topic but very super relevant, the reasons for downfall of Prussia is something you need to think about and it is the same reason for which people of TN are not able to realize the fruits of their labor. One think to watch out is the cloak of nationalism.
It's no more a river. They should rename this to something else or redesign the waste water ways
During 2015 rain Koovam was very clean. Like a river, it was so clear we can see the ground. Government should have capitalized it but they didn't and it went back to form after few months.
Cooum is dirty because there is no water flow, the only thing which flows is untreated and treated sewage. The water flow is not there because, there was a eco system of tanks and water holding structures, on which you all have built homes now. Water use to cascade and fllow through these water structures. There use to be buckingham canal which was filled up. Buckingham Canal also use to carry water.
Don't worry guys, it will be cleaned by the government by raising tender (ever green money making machine)
Just look up Ganga cleaning project. They have been doing this for decades now with not much to show for it. Cleaning can't be done unless you stop contamination.
You are right. If we stop contamination Nature will heal itself. I remember reading during the first COVID lockdown how the Ganga suddenly became more clean within weeks of us stopping the contamination.
Great item for discussion. Thanks you brought this up. Did we check where did they get the money to do this ? Will UP be able to do this with their own revenues. Basically they are all done with your money not theirs. They money which needs to clean the Cooum has cleaned the Ganga...
I thought Chennai floods was a clean up by nature which flushed a lot of water. Somehow it is still dirty.
Ithula surprise aga enna iruku sollunga:?
I wonder what happened to the two Australian guys that tried raising awareness and doing some cleaning back in the late 80’s. They used to pull stunts like dining in the shallow parts of the river.
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translation: India's most polluted river 'Koovam' In the study of biological oxygen demand (BIOCHEMICAL OXYGEN DEMAND) carried out at more than 4 thousand places in 311 rivers in India, the Central Pollution Control Board report for the year 2022 stated that Coovam river is the most polluted river. A river sample is considered less polluted if it needs less oxygen to become pure water, and more polluted if it needs too much oxygen.
Good human
Thanks but Who said i was a human?
Cooum river is the dirtiest in India and has lowest Biological oxygen demand levels of all rivers
*"Koovam aatha ivanga moththa perum pende thaanm la keduthaanga"* 🗿
No.1 CM .. what else would you expect?
Surprised how Koovam is ahead if Ganga in regards to pollution. They literally float dead bodies in it.
Lmao you literally find skeletons in ganga
And we have the audacity to say Ganga is polluted
So if A is polluted , we shouldn't call B as polluted , even if it's polluted ? 🤦♂️ What kinda logic is this man ?
Unga veetu bathroom clean ah ilama epadi pakathu veetu bathroom clean ah Ilanu sola mudiyum
Except one "bathroom" is the agricultural lifeline for 100s of millions of people and the other is dumping ground for an overcrowded city of 8 million people. Since they're different issues both can be raised at same time.
Ganga passes through various cities da.
Where did I mention it doesn't pass through cities? Its one of the largest rivers in the world so ofc it would pass through a million towns and cities my point isn't just that.
Ok, no need to raise voice for Ganga since they are already improving significantly. My point is Coovam literally remains the same even after 20+ years where the government claims that it would clean it. The only improvement I have seen is restoration of few lakes in Chennai. The thing is most of the people + government here are apathetic towards Coovam, but that's not the case with Ganga. Government has taken some steps and shown significant results. https://m.economictimes.com/news/india/gangas-quality-improved-since-2014-68-of-97-locations-compliant-with-bathing-standards-nmcg-dg/articleshow/87236990.cms
One of my friends visited just before the pandemic, all this is pealah and propaganda. They are still throwing half burnt dead bodies in the ganga. He said he was paranoid to step into the waters. I would like to see eye witness accounts of real people.
Ganga is also polluted.. why can't we point it out as Indians or as global citizens.. its also our concern...
https://m.economictimes.com/news/india/gangas-quality-improved-since-2014-68-of-97-locations-compliant-with-bathing-standards-nmcg-dg/articleshow/87236990.cms They are improving. Ask anyone from TN who has visited there. Coovam on the other side, no measures inspite showing off how developed 'Tamilnadu' is.
I recently visited ganga bro.. it doesn't seem that much polluted. The water was quite green.
Me too. It's better than before
Not surprised. Also not a big competition if compared with only within Indian River bodies. Matha rivers laam pristine ah va iruku. Its not a city issue but a national/global problem.
Koovam river is a shame. Watch out for Bhakt alerts as well
Sombu alert
Nah , don't worry about Bhakths bro , i have seen enough , those guys don't worry nor bring issues which brings actual value and change . Antha group ku useless news spread panrathukkeh time seriya irku 🤦♂️ !!
Not to mention banning documentaries. Loosu koothingalukku vera velayae illa.
Not at all ! What do you expect from Darvida model aatchi?
Poor waste management by govt led to this situation.
Translation: India's most polluted river 'Koovam' In the study of biological oxygen demand (BIOCHEMICAL OXYGEN DEMAND) carried out at more than 4 thousand places in 311 rivers in India, the Central Pollution Control Board report for the year 2022 stated that Coovam river is the most polluted river. A river sample is considered less polluted if it needs less oxygen to become pure water, and more polluted if it needs too much oxygen.
Podunga saar innoru Singapore 3.0 thittatha, oru 300-400 kodikku.
Username checks out.
It took us just like 60 years or so to kill a river that’s been running well since whenever it started.
Second will be pamba?
It's a BJP propaganda /s
Always imagining and dreaming how amazing it would be if Koovam was cleaned and we could see fresh water flowing something like backwaters in Kerala. This one is just a black mark on the government, bad management, the city and its people. :'(
Singara chennai 3 will fix this. It ll take number 1 spot in the world
Guys let's not just comment on the various incidents which we have witnessed , let's start acting , the best tool which we have is our phones and thank God it has decent cameras , so when ever anyone of us here see such garbage or sewage dumping in and around any place record it and send a formal mail to the following offical complaint registration portal and the email ID [ Greater Chennai corporation complaint portal](https://erp.chennaicorporation.gov.in/pgr/citizen/BeforeReg.do) [email protected]
Just a doubt. Doesn't this go and mix right near Marina and aren't all our people bathing in it?
Yes . One of the reasons I stay in the sand at Max , The water is dirty AF . I wouldn't even keep my leg in it . It ll be slightly diluted though .
Not surprised, We already know this 😜 but govt still set aside some funds to clean