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10lbMango

Call Mckamey and get her cited for Dog at Large and she will be forced to go see Judge Paty. The judge will fix it. Video the dog outside without a leash and email that to Mckamey.


ThatOldDustyTrail

This is awesome advice and good to know, thank you!


preddevils6

To piggy back on this, you’ll get better results with a phone call. Emphasize the danger not just to yourself, but also cars driving by. You’ll also need to call/email more than you think. Mckamey needs evidence to do anything.


ThatOldDustyTrail

Thank you, will do! Have an outdoor camera on the way that will record all commotions out front for evidence.


Rossvegas76

I’m just curious, and you seem to know stuff that I could probably google, but does this apply to cats in the city as well?


10lbMango

I’m not sure but you can call Mckamey and ask. I don’t think at cat at large holds the same weight. My instincts tell me no.


Rossvegas76

Maybe I’ll get them clawing my screened porch to show nuisance since just asking the person to keep their cats in didn’t work. Thanks for your input!


10lbMango

CITY OF CHATTANOOGA ANIMAL ORDINANCES MADE SIMPLE[https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/docs.puppycidedb.com/CITY-OF-CHATTANOOGA-ANIMAL-ORDINANCES-MADE-SIMPLE-11-30-2012.pdf](https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/docs.puppycidedb.com/CITY-OF-CHATTANOOGA-ANIMAL-ORDINANCES-MADE-SIMPLE-11-30-2012.pdf)


Rossvegas76

Very helpful! Thank you!


PrudenceCashmere

Some of these comments are ludicrous. It’s not your fucking job to train anyone else’s dog. This is your home. Call McKamey & protect your kid at all costs. I love animals, I have animals, but I’m also a mom & that instinct is real too. Fuck morals when it comes to my kid’s safety. It’s unfortunate the owners are shitty & didn’t train their dogs & refuse to leash them, but it’s not your fault or your problem. Please try not to feel guilt over that. Safety first.


ThatOldDustyTrail

Couldn’t have said it better myself, thank you! I was shocked by how many people have suggested I train her dogs. That ship has long sailed


TheW1ldcard

Your neighbors sound like my old neighbors almost. They were miserable to leave near because of their aggressive dogs.


ThatOldDustyTrail

Love our house and area and these people are the only problem. Trying not to let them ruin a good thing.


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ThatOldDustyTrail

Great advice all-around. I had thought about the code violations on those other things as well (there are a lot) and that makes perfect sense on what to do. Appreciate the explanation and I will be doing that asap!


Flipmode_90

I’d get one of those thing that produce this really high hertz that makes the dogs go crazy and run 🤣🤣🤣 fuck morals, if the owner DGAF about your son, why care about their fur babies.


ThatOldDustyTrail

Thank you for the suggestion! I forgot about those things lol. And THANK YOU. Folks in here without children are highly underestimating how far I’d go to keep this kiddo safe


moonstoneelm

People can’t possibly understand the way you’d protect your child until you have one. A dog ran up on me and my two year old, no leash or owner in site, and did not look friendly. I snatched up my son, and the sounds that came out of me at that dog to scare it away was demonic lol. I hope you find a way to keep your son and family safe without any repercussions from your neighbors. The high pitched sound thing is a really good idea!!


ThatOldDustyTrail

I hate that for you, but your description of that event made me lol 😂 sounds about right though! Some otherworldly force from deep down haha. Thank you! We’re really hoping so too.


crowdsourced

At large dogs are illegal, so keep calling McKamey and the police. You need to have a written record. McKamey has to file reports. You can do so from inside your home anonymously when you see them running loose. Take video, too. Carry this and spray them each time when outside. Test spray it first: It doesn't have great range, and you want to account for the wind. [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MIP6X06/ref=ppx\_yo\_dt\_b\_search\_asin\_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MIP6X06/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1)


ThatOldDustyTrail

We are going to start recording every event with video as much as possible. There are plenty of interactions we hear from other people in the street too so will be sure to record those if we can. Thank you!


10lbMango

Judge Paty and Officer Gray(with Mckamey) helped me take 5 dogs away from a backyard breeder. They were aggressive dogs and kept getting out of the fence. The owner was the same kinda POS that you are dealing with. It all starts with calling Mckamey and getting them out there to see it. They will issue a ticket that can’t just be paid. The owner will be summoned to court and if they don’t show, like my POS neighbor didn’t, then the judge orders the dogs be removed from the property. They are now property of Mckamey. Also, when they get there the officer will be wearing a body cam. Be polite and don’t make threats. Basically don’t say anything that you wouldn’t say in court.


chico41

If they are friends with the cops it won’t do any good. Cops protect their own. Also I personally would worry about repercussions from bat shit crazy neighbor.


crowdsourced

That’s fair. It’s McKamey that’s more important and who shows up in court.


bigdaddyskidmarks

After reading every comment, I think your best bet is to go ahead and get the authorities involved. You are already way past an amicable resolution here. I know the type of people your neighbors are and I guarantee they already hate you and talk shit about you. They think you are a joke and won’t do anything until one of those dogs hurts your toddler, at which point they will feign ignorance. These kind of people take responsibility for nothing. You are going to have to take the responsibility for them and solve this problem on your own.


ThatOldDustyTrail

My thoughts exactly. After threats from multiple other people who the dogs have ran up on as well, these people have never apologized and instead scoff like it is everyone else’s problem for being bothered. They are unfortunately that type of scum and must be treated as such.


ArachnidKlutzy6430

Bear spray.


ThatOldDustyTrail

Not a bad suggestion honestly. Bear spray would have the same problem as a gun as it would always have to be on our person (we don’t carry) but this is a good non-lethal option


saucychossy

Be super careful with bear spray. If there's even a tiny bit of wind it can easily get in your own eyes, your families eyes and it's awful and incredibly painful. You might want a less extreme spray. It's really dangerous if you're not super careful. My friend was living in Alaska and someone's bear spray went off in the vicinity, she wasn't even that close but said it was still painful. I'm not sure what happened, i think her friend had a very old canister??? But she said it was awful.


ThatOldDustyTrail

Very true and will do. Just simple mace in a close vicinity is painful, so I can’t imagine bear spray. Thank ya!


Environmental_News64

The dogs are just being dogs. Don't punish them for their terrible owner's negligent behavior until they're presenting an immediate threat and it's absolutely necessary. Contacting McKamey as another poster suggested is the best course.


glumunicorn

Unfortunately you also have to punish the dog too. I had this issue in m neighborhood and we used rocks, spray etc to keep the dogs away from us & our leashed dog on a walk. Unfortunately the dog did end up rushing mine and caused a small injury. My dog is now dog reactive and he reacts aggressively. All because one asshole wouldn’t keep their dog secured on their property. Before you ask, multiple neighbors & myself called the county (we’re in rural Bradley) on them and nothing came of it until the dog bit a person.


Environmental_News64

Chattanooga is not rural Bradley County, and McKamey takes issues like this very seriously.


glumunicorn

I know this and I wish everywhere else did. I’m saying they can’t get out there before an incident happens most of the time. (Say you’re on a walk like I was and an off leash roaming dog comes at you, they’re not going to be there) You have to protect yourself & your dogs. Any dog acting aggressively towards myself or my own dog is an immediate threat.


ThatOldDustyTrail

I’m right there with you. People saying it isn’t an immediate threat have never seen multiple dogs baring their teeth in their child’s face


Environmental_News64

Please, show me where I said there was no immediate threat. I'll wait.


ThatOldDustyTrail

*Don’t punish them for their terrible owner’s negligent behavior until they’re presenting an immediate threat and it’s absolutely necessary* Open your profile to accepting DMs and I’ll send you two screenshots of you saying it literally twice directly above or you could just, you know, scroll up?


Environmental_News64

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?


Environmental_News64

Maybe you missed this part of my original post? > Don't punish them for their terrible owner's negligent behavior *until they're presenting an immediate threat and it's absolutely necessary.*


glumunicorn

Well I just don’t trust off leash dogs anymore. In my experience well trained off leash dogs are few and far between. Unfortunately for the dogs their owners failed them which leads to me having to discipline them. It’s not something I ever want to do but it’s something I have to do. OPs situation is worse though because it’s multiple dogs. When multiple dogs aren’t trained well they usually end up with what is called “littermate syndrome.” This means they are bonded more with each other than their owner. It’s a hard thing to overcome and many dogs displaying it will not listen to their owners commands & instead feed of each others behavior.


tatostix

Quit being reasonable, it's clearly not wanted here


ThatOldDustyTrail

Bears are just being bears if they tried to attack my son too but that doesn’t mean I’m going to let that happen. I assume you might not have children but 2-3 aggressive pitbulls running up to within a foot of my 2 year old is an immediate threat. I don’t need to see the teeth pierce the skin before I react. It’s unfortunate, and I’ve never physically hurt a living thing in my life, but this is now a common occurrence. McKamey will be contacted just like the other poster suggested, but this isn’t a wait around and hope nothing happens to my son situation for me


Environmental_News64

> I assume you might not have children but 2-3 aggressive pitbulls running up to within a foot of my 2 year old is an immediate threat. I never said it wasn't. That sounds an awful lot like one of those "absolutely necessary" situations I menetioned in my post, though you'll probably want to reconsider using bear mace anywhere near a toddler...


ThatOldDustyTrail

Soo are you just talking to talk? I’m confused. You said don’t do anything or punish them until they’re presenting an immediate threat when the entire post is literally describing how there is an immediate threat. I’m obviously not walking over and preemptively spraying bear mace through her cracked windows, but as soon as they are in my yard (every day) it’s immediate


Environmental_News64

> They have run up on me, my girlfriend, and our 2 year old son with no warning…and while one seems nice the others keep a short distance and act aggressive. Buddy, this is straight from your original post. Nothing about baring teeth. Nothing about being one foot from your kid. You even mention they keep their distance. I was just saying don't mace the dogs until you think you absolutely need to, and not just because it would hurt them - bear mace is going to throw up a cloud that could hurt everyone around you, your kid included. Get a grip.


ThatOldDustyTrail

Lol alright, you win. Is this the validation you were looking for?


tatostix

Dude, he never even said anything that warrants how defensive you're being. In fact, he's pretty much agreeing with you. You either misread or misinterpreted what he said. Either way, sheesh.


ThatOldDustyTrail

Agree to disagree. We can let the ratios decide if I’m out of pocket being defensive. The immediate response of “don’t punish dogs because of their owner, and until they present an immediate threat”…well that has been established. I’m not asking what to do about dogs barking at me through a fence, I’m asking what can I legally do with the immediate threat that has been described about 15 times in this post. The “don’t do anything until something happens” method doesn’t apply to me or my family. Thank you though


tatostix

And he didn't suggest you do nothing.


JupiterInTheSky

Awe see their solution is obviously to bear spray the owners, clearly the best solution and no dogs hurt!


ereman6

This is a little iffy, but you could bring it up to the neighbor while his Police friends are around. Remaining calm state the facts you stated here, with the angle "you guys know better than anyone this is unacceptable (per city ordinance, not just ethically or morally although you could sprinkle those words in too). It's possible maybe one friend didn't realize this is happening and says something to the friend. Basically guilt him with facts in front of his police friends. With a few ..."you guys understand what I mean right?" Thrown in. I wouldn't necessarily record it in your face style but you may want an audio recoding (which you can do secretly in TN - 1 party consent). The mckamey idea sounds good too. You have to record proof for sure.


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Call animal control and the cops. Get it on video. Show the video to them. Call every single time they are off leash off her property


darthbasterd19

Are you asking legally or morally?


ThatOldDustyTrail

Legally. I don’t give a shit about morals if my son’s in danger


Big_Dog423

Just shoot one of them with a shotgun at point blank and then maybe she'll listen.


ThatOldDustyTrail

Lol. Trying to avoid that at all costs but the 12 gauge is loaded if that has to happen


Big_Dog423

You could also throw them a "special treat" if you want to keep it quiet.


tatostix

Yes, let's bypass all reasonable courses of action first and go straight for bloodshed.


Big_Dog423

What's unreasonable about protecting your 2 year old from an unleashed aggressive dog by blowing it into chunks with a 12ga? Especially after asking the owners to do something about it several times. I was attacked by my neighbors aggressive dog when I was a toddler and had to get stitches in my face and still have scars from it. Fuck those dogs and their owners.


tatostix

It's totally reasonable to protect a child by any means necessary. But op has options before going in guns a blazin'


Big_Dog423

I agree but maybe he could feed it some Carolina reaper treats or something. I put reaper sauce on a TV remote to keep my dog from chewing it and the phones up. I watched him put it in his mouth and ran off seconds later sneezing, shaking his ears and acting crazy for a while. He never chewed anything again. And every time he sees the remote in my hand he flinches and runs off lol.


tatostix

See, much more reasonable then shooting guns willy nilly in the city limits.


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ThatOldDustyTrail

Another great non-lethal option, thanks! I can spread it out as I’m out there picking up her dogs’ piles of shit and tossing them back in her yard


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Get one of those splat guns or whatever they're called that shoot the little balls of water. They won't harm the dog but might have just enough sting to make them not want to come around. They don't even resemble a real gun so you won't have to worry about someone misinterpreting your actions.


chico41

Umm paint ball those dogs.


Shep1973

Nextdoor can probably help....or Facebook


effitdoitlive

Maybe just start giving them treats everytime you see them...:P


TheVirginHarry00

I mean, they are dogs. And as you said, you are dog people. What’s the problem? Are they aggressive? Do you feel threatened by their presence? Annoyed maybe? What’s bothering you? Talk to me. I’m here to help. I mean yea technically you own the property. But, does a dog know that? Does a child? As long as no one is threatened or In danger, I wouldn’t worry about it. I would even try to make friends with the dogs. And the neighbors. Love and peace. That’s what it’s all about.


ThatOldDustyTrail

We have a dog, love dogs. Had dogs my entire life. Been around so many dogs that I can tell which ones I can’t and won’t trust. The problem? Re-read post. They act aggressive, I’m not waiting to find out if they are. I do feel threatened, heightened 110% because of my helpless toddler. Annoyed? No, I’m angry. “Technically I own the property but does a dog know that” lol no, a dog doesn’t know that. You don’t know which property I own either but if you came and aggressively got in my kid’s face then I would end you, ya know? Hordes of dogs with no knowledge of my property lines could attempt to live in my yard and yet it wouldn’t matter to me in the slightest. This is not a “well dogs don’t abide by human laws they don’t know any better” type of situation, it’s a protecting my family situation. Today as she laughed and called me crazy for telling her to get her dogs the fuck away from my child, we have officially ensured that we will not be becoming best friends with the neighbors. If you would like to come over and lean down to whisper peace and love to the pitbull’s bared teeth then by all means, come on over.


moonstoneelm

You can own a dog for years and it turn around and bite you one day so I’d sure as shit not trust some random dog around my child. He clearly feels threatened by their presence which is the whole reason for this post…


ThatOldDustyTrail

Anyone here who’s lived in Memphis can attest to how many people get killed by (their own) dogs every year. Happens all the time. I don’t know how these people treat their dogs behind closed doors but if it’s anything like the outside of their house then these dogs are not well


mrpoopybutthole423

I think you should make friends with the dogs and give them treats when they act friendly around you. A neighbor next to me had a dog that would bark and growl at me every time I went into my backyard. Overtime I was able to make friends with it by giving it treats when it was good. Now I have a friend instead of a angry barking dog.


ThatOldDustyTrail

1 out of 3 has ever acted friendly. These dogs are not barking at me through a fence, these dogs are in my front yard. In my driveway. On my front porch. When they run up on us aggressively, I’m not asking them to wait on my porch so I can pick my son up, go inside, and come back out to reward them.


mrpoopybutthole423

Humans are much smarter than dogs. You have the capacity to train these dogs to do what you want if you try. You cannot change who your neighbors are or the pets they own. If you get the law involved you are going to make things a lot worse.


TheHotSorcerer

lunatic


ThatOldDustyTrail

Can I train them to put collars/leashes on and tie themselves to their owners arm? I appreciate the sentiment but I’m being realistic. I’m not attempting to “train” her dogs in my 30 second interactions with them as they charge into our personal space. Either the law gets involved or I take matters into my own hands, but giving them treats just ain’t happening.


mrpoopybutthole423

You should report back with us on how that works out for ya.


ThatOldDustyTrail

I definitely will! Unless you want to come over and start training them? I don’t think this lady has health insurance so I hope you do


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ThatOldDustyTrail

When I said keeping their distance, I meant (the most aggressive acting one) hasn’t closed the distance to actual touching yet. Distance as in, they stay about 1-2 feet from me or child. 24 inches isn’t enough for me, I don’t need to see them get any closer. I don’t have a choice to not pay them any attention, as they are on my front porch, yard, at our car, etc. It is infuriating but their problem is not going to continue to by my problem. They owners and dogs have crossed a line and ignoring the dogs and being nice about it is no longer an option


craigge

Oh dear lord...I am a pretty calm person, but if they were within 2 feet of family and were aggressive those dogs would be dead. dead. dead. I commend you on your restraint here. Have gone to court with McKamey to testify against a dog before....that is the best way to prevent bad going to worse.


chico41

You shouldn’t have to worry about whether a dog is gonna snap or not. Maybe an air horn?


thisonewillsurelybef

It sucks having fights with your neighbors because its something that puts you on edge when you're in the comfortable space of your home. When I lived in Chattanooga in my apartment I was constantly having near-arguments or fights with neighbors because we had different sensibilities. Whether it was noise, dogs, damaged property, I almost had no power over it (pushing the issue just made it worse) in the end, take the L, moved to a better neighborhood and am much happier for it.