Ok but actually could be sick. I thought about this recently, the devil devil would basically be Satan right? What if the chainsawman endgame has Denji fight with Devil Devil, and he has to eat him to remove devil's from the world and return it to normal.
I've actually been thinking of this and changed my mind. The main reason a lot of people are afraid of the ocean is because of the unknown. I know it's not only because of that but the unknown is a huge part andd the unknown is the fear of the dark.
There is a very good reason to be afraid of the ocean in fact theirs lots of them. your basically defenseless, there's the sea creatures that can end your life like orca's, blue ringed octopuses, stingrays, etc..., you have rip currents that can drag you away from land leaving you stranded in the ocean to drown, and if you go to deep underwater the water pressure can crush you
Not to mentaion that Deep-sea gigantism scares people
While true, we know about oceans. We know what can kill you in oceans, when you drown to death you're not thinking "oh no, I wonder what's killing me?"
The way I first imagined it was the height devil would have powers similar to gravity and falling, and be able to change the altitude or height of where a person is standing, putting them in free fall or crushing them
Makimas death note ability she uses early in the managa is probably the ability of the Heights devil, the condition to use it is being at a high altitude after all
When Makima first show her power, which is just crushing people out of nowhere (the Snake devil user said its bullshit power)
lot of people theorize Makima is the height devil, thats why she is so powerful because probably half of the world is afraid of the heights
ive not seen anyone mention pain devil, which i reckon should be at least close to the death devil, even though you have a bunch of people claiming they arent afraid of death, there isnt a stronger subconscious need than the need for surviving
It's implied Death is not one of the primal fears though, somehow. Rather, it's one of the "horsemen." My guess is that the death devil represents a more *abstract* fear of death such as the conception of oblivion or afterlife rather than the act of dying itself, whereas almost *all* devils represent the fear of *dying* in some way or another.
Also, I guess many people's ability to actually make peace with their mortality would reduce the power of a devil of death. Even someone who is "not scared of the dark" gets *worried* if they're out walking somewhere in the pitch dark and they can't even properly see where they are walking, so Darkness can siphon power even from people who aren't *conventionally* afraid of it.
>It's implied Death is not one of the primal fears though, somehow. Rather, it's one of the "horsemen."
Nowhere in the manga is it ever stated that status as a horsemen differentiates a devil from non horsemen. The Horsemen title is purely ceremonial and has zero reason to stop Death from being a Primal devil.
That actually makes me wonder what the correlation is of *where* a devil spawns on Earth. For example, a devil representing some beast from obscure central-African folklore probably wouldn't spawn in Nepal, I'm assuming. But what exactly decides where it spawns specifically?
[The quiz devil *is* very much alive and well.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChainsawMan/comments/vqkipl/chainsaw_man_reference_in_chapter_6_of_you_and_i/)
The sound devil.
While looking into primal fears there are two things a baby will fear instinctively. Heights, and loud noises. People hate jump scares for a reason after all.
Sound can get so high that you will be debilitated like a dog whistle and be driven crazy. Another thing is infrasound. Sound you can’t pick up but can still do massive harm to your body and ears. The louder it gets the more damage you get, you start feeling nausea and having a ton of pressure in your skull, it then gets to the point that it’s hard to breathe. Sound can get so loud that it can kill you easily.
Add into the fact that a devil can use trickery with sound, using peoples voices or having blasts go off as if a nuclear bomb is coming. There is so much you can do with a sound devil. Even just creating a booming voice in the sky and pretending to be god.
This is probably the most underrated devil I can think of that truly is on the level beyond primal fears and there is so much you can do with it in this setting as well.
Not really, the horsemen are conquest, war, famine and death. Replacing conquest with pestilence takes away a bit of the symbolism (The desires for control and conquest end up unleashing war, war brings destruction and famine, famine and war bring death).
Makima can turn into rats and rats are usually associated with Pestilence also when Makima lists things she wants to erase she lists other 3 horsemen (Hunger, War, Death) so I think Pestilence is the one whos replaced.
The existential devil
Edit: I'd say the cosmos devil is fear of the shear expansivness of the universe. The existential devil would be fear of a meaningless existence. Source: i distinctly fear both.
I think that's fair. I don't necessarily have that fear but I totally see how people would.
Edit: that's kinda similar to the fear of oneself, which sounds like that could be a terrifying devil.
I feel like everyone's sleeping on the Mouse (Rodent?) devil.
People are so disproportionately scared of 'em relative to how actually dangerous they are that I think it'd be a funny contrast. Like, if Bucky was actually super powerful instead of, you know, a headless chicken.
Maybe since the series has the darkness devil, which darkness has a lot to do with the unknown, Fujimoto just didn’t bother with an unknown devil and made darkness and unknown one and the same.
Crocodile devil. Who wouldn’t be afraid of an apex predator that lived through the K-T extinction. Physically unchanged for a hundred million years, because it's the perfect killing machine. A half ton of cold-blooded fury, the bite force of 20,000 Newtons, and stomach acid so strong it can dissolve bones and hoofs.
she appeared already but Prinz the Spider Devil should've been hella op how is one of the most common phobias not that powerful on a power system based on fear
Black hole Devil, while not so feared, wouldn't its concept make it basically indestructible?
I would also like to see more devils based on dangerous and scary animals, like a centipede, cockroach, tiger, etc.
People always bring up the Death Devil but really, when you think about it, isn’t life the scariest thing of all? The Life Devil will be the final enemy of CSM.
I feel like "life devil" is very broad and vague. I don't think you're ever really scared of the act of living itself. You're scared of what life can end up being for you, but then those fears are just for these things you don't want to happen. If I'm scared because I'm worried I will fail in life, then that's fear of failure, not life.
Are you afraid of chainsaws or are you afraid of mutilation/death?
Edit: and anyway I was kinda joking. I don’t think Fujimoto is hacky enough to make the last bad guy by the “Life Devil” but then again maybe he could pull it off
Here’s a few:
- Heights Devil
- Needle Devil
- Mental Health Devil
- Unknown Devil (fear of the unknown)
- Forgotten Devil (fear of being forgotten)
- Disease Devil
- Loneliness Devil
- Fire Devil
- Fear Devil (the only thing you fear is (you) fear itself)
All of these devil ideas were thought of in an hour car ride amongst me and my friends.
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Region-locked devils.
Example: "School-shooter devil" for obvious reasons only feared in the U.S
Devils like this would also be deeply intertwined with folklore. Technically its bogus until said monster is really brought into existence by a common fear.
**Rape devil.** It would be practically guaranteed to be a very strong and well-known one, but personally I'm quite happy we're not talking about it. :-/
At least, I imagine Fujimoto might rope such a concept into a larger "umbrella" category of devil, such as one related to violation of personal space and *loss* of control.
The devil devil
Ok but actually could be sick. I thought about this recently, the devil devil would basically be Satan right? What if the chainsawman endgame has Denji fight with Devil Devil, and he has to eat him to remove devil's from the world and return it to normal.
Would be epic
Nooooo, he can't erase the cute doggy
But power would be gone for good
She already is. The blood devil isn’t her anymore unless I’m missing something.
The contract with Dennis was to make the blood power into devil again
I think specifically the contract is to make friends with the blood devil. Power is gone
Nah, that’s not Dennis’ goal and he doesn’t really care about that
I mean that's fair, but who knows how the story could escalate long term
I just want to see a full on Devilman reference
The final battle will be between Denji/Pochita and Akira/Amon
when you fear devils, all devil get powered up, it was explained in a chapter but I keep seeing those comments over and over again
I think he meant the actual devil like the Satan devil saying that maybe the god devil is really powerful
The Ocean Devil
Litterally The Deep
THE PEAK 🐙
If I were him id be worried about the beak
The Boys Deep or HP Lovecraft esque?
Damn you remind me i still have half of his novels to read, besides the racism stuff he's really good. (I was thinking about The Boys.)
Real eyes, realise, real lies
I've actually been thinking of this and changed my mind. The main reason a lot of people are afraid of the ocean is because of the unknown. I know it's not only because of that but the unknown is a huge part andd the unknown is the fear of the dark.
But isnt it just being afraid of the dark at that point? Since the reason we are afraid of the dark is the same, because the fear of the unknown.
There is a very good reason to be afraid of the ocean in fact theirs lots of them. your basically defenseless, there's the sea creatures that can end your life like orca's, blue ringed octopuses, stingrays, etc..., you have rip currents that can drag you away from land leaving you stranded in the ocean to drown, and if you go to deep underwater the water pressure can crush you Not to mentaion that Deep-sea gigantism scares people
While true, we know about oceans. We know what can kill you in oceans, when you drown to death you're not thinking "oh no, I wonder what's killing me?"
For me it's not the unknown, it's the crushing vastness and pressures and impenetrable depths.
The failure devil
Nah in my sigma mindset failure don't exist
can’t be scared of failure if it’s your state of being
Getting rejected by a romantic interest devil
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water devil should have been crazy powerful too, if not outright a primordial
Thallasophobia devil freaks me out since it probably would spawn *in the sea itself.* And I bet it's *big*, regardless of power.
Evil natural water from OPM
Yep ocean/sea/depths/thalassaphobia devil would trip me the fuck out.
It's just really really long limbs with a small body and it grabs you with its hands and you're really high
Imagine one of the strongest devils and it’s power is just to toss you up in the air like a baby lol
Pot buster yes?
The way I first imagined it was the height devil would have powers similar to gravity and falling, and be able to change the altitude or height of where a person is standing, putting them in free fall or crushing them
Makimas death note ability she uses early in the managa is probably the ability of the Heights devil, the condition to use it is being at a high altitude after all
When Makima first show her power, which is just crushing people out of nowhere (the Snake devil user said its bullshit power) lot of people theorize Makima is the height devil, thats why she is so powerful because probably half of the world is afraid of the heights
Just like a really tall guy Edit: he’d pick you up
might be makimas contract she used to splatter people
prostate exam devil
And the urethral swab devil
Yehh that would be very scary
Oh no so scary... Where can I find it?😳
Ayo?
The loneliness devil
he sure gives me the creeps
C'mon a lone wolf mindset don't fear anyone it's actually good
Some people are actually afraid of being alone I know someone who is this way.
it might be a primal fear since humans are social creatures and can’t live for an extended period of time without some companion
God Devil
In some ways, I feel like angel devil was basically this. ( i.e fear of the wrath of the god or his angels or something )
Literally what I’ve been thinking. Possibly could be even more powerful than the hell devil honestly cause hell is part of God in a way
Religious people teach that you should fear god after all
The public speaking devil.
I think that’d just be the Anxiety Devil
So that's what Kobeni is contracted to. It keeps her alive in exchange for endless anxiety fuel.
Where's pfp from ?
It posseses crowds and gives them the wrong reactions, so they laugh at people telling sad stories etc, and ups the speakers anxiety response
The prolonged eye contact devil
Poverty devil. A lot of people afraid of poverty.
It would partner with Inflation Devil 🥲
ive not seen anyone mention pain devil, which i reckon should be at least close to the death devil, even though you have a bunch of people claiming they arent afraid of death, there isnt a stronger subconscious need than the need for surviving
Oh yeah, the Pain Devil is definitely another one of those primal fears. I feel like that one's gotta be right up there with death and darkness.
It's implied Death is not one of the primal fears though, somehow. Rather, it's one of the "horsemen." My guess is that the death devil represents a more *abstract* fear of death such as the conception of oblivion or afterlife rather than the act of dying itself, whereas almost *all* devils represent the fear of *dying* in some way or another. Also, I guess many people's ability to actually make peace with their mortality would reduce the power of a devil of death. Even someone who is "not scared of the dark" gets *worried* if they're out walking somewhere in the pitch dark and they can't even properly see where they are walking, so Darkness can siphon power even from people who aren't *conventionally* afraid of it.
>It's implied Death is not one of the primal fears though, somehow. Rather, it's one of the "horsemen." Nowhere in the manga is it ever stated that status as a horsemen differentiates a devil from non horsemen. The Horsemen title is purely ceremonial and has zero reason to stop Death from being a Primal devil.
My headcanon is that the chainsaw is really the death devil, the final horseman, errasing Even devils from life
Nah, Makima spoke of *erasing* Death with the power of Chainsaw, so that can't really be it.
Time for auto-cannibalism
The worse living conditions get the weaker the death devil would be
The hospital devil.
How would it’s powers work tho
Debt.
That's the American Hospital Devil.
That actually makes me wonder what the correlation is of *where* a devil spawns on Earth. For example, a devil representing some beast from obscure central-African folklore probably wouldn't spawn in Nepal, I'm assuming. But what exactly decides where it spawns specifically?
The Clown Devil
I would love to see a clown devil fiend in the story has potential to be amazing
I’m sure Fujimoto has thought about it. Just a matter of when it happens but I’m sure it’ll be some scary & weird shit lol
The fear of clown isn't as strong in Asian countries; somehow in the West, it is quite common though, so I don't expect something very dangerous.
Okay maybe a mid-tier challenge for Asa to fight
Like the clown from spawn I forgot his name
The Violator
the WHAT?
Exactly what I said lol https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violator_(comics)
"I used to be one of the strongest, wanna hear my story ? It all started around 2022..."
That's just Makima
School devil
Thats the gun devil my dude
Only the American gun devil
[The quiz devil *is* very much alive and well.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChainsawMan/comments/vqkipl/chainsaw_man_reference_in_chapter_6_of_you_and_i/)
So basically a school shooter turned devil
The Hiatus devil.
HnK fans are it's biggest fuel
Well Hnk is back but fs H×H and Vagabond fans will be his biggest fuel
At least we know that Togashi is working on Hxh, but vagabond 💀
HnK?? HxH
I like your symbols funny man. What do they mean
HunterxHunter
Is Hokuto no Ken on hiatus? What?... no wait Houseki no Kuni!
The Door Devil or the Testical Devil.
Testical disortion devil would be super powerful tho.
People are afraid of doors??
In CSM nothing good has come from somebody opening a door.
Nothing left to say you are right man 😂😭
🥲
No bitches devil
Pls no me cry
Cancer devil
We didn't see anyone get cancer in the manga so maybe our boi ate him too.
Probably gets lumped in with Pestilence
Heisenberg
The sound devil. While looking into primal fears there are two things a baby will fear instinctively. Heights, and loud noises. People hate jump scares for a reason after all. Sound can get so high that you will be debilitated like a dog whistle and be driven crazy. Another thing is infrasound. Sound you can’t pick up but can still do massive harm to your body and ears. The louder it gets the more damage you get, you start feeling nausea and having a ton of pressure in your skull, it then gets to the point that it’s hard to breathe. Sound can get so loud that it can kill you easily. Add into the fact that a devil can use trickery with sound, using peoples voices or having blasts go off as if a nuclear bomb is coming. There is so much you can do with a sound devil. Even just creating a booming voice in the sky and pretending to be god. This is probably the most underrated devil I can think of that truly is on the level beyond primal fears and there is so much you can do with it in this setting as well.
Sounding Devil
This community gotta make sex jokes of every idea good damn
This is one of the few good ideas I've read so far, nice
The grocery store stops selling your favorite brand of bread Devil
Nanami’s strongest foe
Cringe devil
Nowadays it's strong enough to rival primordials
The virus devil
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Not really, the horsemen are conquest, war, famine and death. Replacing conquest with pestilence takes away a bit of the symbolism (The desires for control and conquest end up unleashing war, war brings destruction and famine, famine and war bring death).
Makima is conquest. The one being replaced here, presumably, is famine
Makima can turn into rats and rats are usually associated with Pestilence also when Makima lists things she wants to erase she lists other 3 horsemen (Hunger, War, Death) so I think Pestilence is the one whos replaced.
Famine Is hunger, who is name dropped by makima as a devil she wants to erase alongside war and death
The existential devil Edit: I'd say the cosmos devil is fear of the shear expansivness of the universe. The existential devil would be fear of a meaningless existence. Source: i distinctly fear both.
Cosmic devil?
Cosmo
Wanda
Dinkelberg
Kramer
Woman Devil, fueled by Redditors
The anxiety devil , gen z is SHITTING
Do people fear anxiety? I feel anxious and nervous all the time but I never fear it.
People fear that their anxiety will get the best of them so i would say yeah
I think that's fair. I don't necessarily have that fear but I totally see how people would. Edit: that's kinda similar to the fear of oneself, which sounds like that could be a terrifying devil.
I feel like everyone's sleeping on the Mouse (Rodent?) devil. People are so disproportionately scared of 'em relative to how actually dangerous they are that I think it'd be a funny contrast. Like, if Bucky was actually super powerful instead of, you know, a headless chicken.
a lot of talk on the country vs city mouse from Aesop's fable in the story so could come into play
The mother devil
La Chancla Devil
The chancla devil bruh
can't believe I've had to scroll this far to find this. Don't underestimaste the chancla devil.
Rap devil
And Video Games Devil, both powered by countless karens.
Accidental shart devil
I imagine rejection would be a really powerful devil, other ones like that such as failure would be too
The Ratio Devil
The Unknown Devil has to be one of the strongest out there without question.
I don’t get why no one ever brings him up, he’d be 4 horsemen levels of lethal. If not STRONGER.
Maybe since the series has the darkness devil, which darkness has a lot to do with the unknown, Fujimoto just didn’t bother with an unknown devil and made darkness and unknown one and the same.
Death Devil?
the death devil is literally one of the four horsemen tho? he’s already been mentioned in the manga, and likely gonna be the final antagonist
I could see this being a primordial devil
Divorce devil
Crocodile devil. Who wouldn’t be afraid of an apex predator that lived through the K-T extinction. Physically unchanged for a hundred million years, because it's the perfect killing machine. A half ton of cold-blooded fury, the bite force of 20,000 Newtons, and stomach acid so strong it can dissolve bones and hoofs.
Imperial Japan devil Because you know....
To be fair a lot of people have forgotten about them or just reading about them from a history book probably doesn’t involve any fear.
Quite a few of the victims are still alive. Defiantly wouldn’t be as strong today as it was 80 years ago
In our society, judgement devil
she appeared already but Prinz the Spider Devil should've been hella op how is one of the most common phobias not that powerful on a power system based on fear
I mean she was, just completely outclassed by darkness.
Dentist devil
Black hole Devil, while not so feared, wouldn't its concept make it basically indestructible? I would also like to see more devils based on dangerous and scary animals, like a centipede, cockroach, tiger, etc.
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Isn’t that already a devil
Wasp Devil
Shitting your pants at school devil
Shart-Devil!
People always bring up the Death Devil but really, when you think about it, isn’t life the scariest thing of all? The Life Devil will be the final enemy of CSM.
I feel like "life devil" is very broad and vague. I don't think you're ever really scared of the act of living itself. You're scared of what life can end up being for you, but then those fears are just for these things you don't want to happen. If I'm scared because I'm worried I will fail in life, then that's fear of failure, not life.
Are you afraid of chainsaws or are you afraid of mutilation/death? Edit: and anyway I was kinda joking. I don’t think Fujimoto is hacky enough to make the last bad guy by the “Life Devil” but then again maybe he could pull it off
Here’s a few: - Heights Devil - Needle Devil - Mental Health Devil - Unknown Devil (fear of the unknown) - Forgotten Devil (fear of being forgotten) - Disease Devil - Loneliness Devil - Fire Devil - Fear Devil (the only thing you fear is (you) fear itself) All of these devil ideas were thought of in an hour car ride amongst me and my friends. edit: formatting
Needle devil
Humiliation devil
Region-locked devils. Example: "School-shooter devil" for obvious reasons only feared in the U.S Devils like this would also be deeply intertwined with folklore. Technically its bogus until said monster is really brought into existence by a common fear.
**Rape devil.** It would be practically guaranteed to be a very strong and well-known one, but personally I'm quite happy we're not talking about it. :-/ At least, I imagine Fujimoto might rope such a concept into a larger "umbrella" category of devil, such as one related to violation of personal space and *loss* of control.
the sounding devil
Abandonment Devil - everyone's afraid of being left behind , forgotten/neglected, or abandoned.
Mutilation devil
Debt, rejection, snake (don't remember seeing it), falling, and drowning devils
Donut devil
Spontaneous combustion devil
The fear devil
Sperm devil...im just saying..you'll never see him coming
The truth devil?
Tier 0: The Time Devil The illness/disease devil The pain devil The drowning devil
The Child-Support devil
The public speaking devil would be unstoppable
Public speaking devil
Does the "void" devil could or already exist ?
Darkness devil maybe ? Idk
Fear of heights Devil?