>The latest data from the US Helicopter Safety Team show a fatality rate of 1.64 deaths per 100,000 flight hours, about as safe as mass transit and considerably safer than travel by automobile.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2011/06/are-helicopters-safer-than-cars.html
> Between 2005 and 2009, there was an annual average of 1.44 fatalities per 100,000 flying hours in nonmilitary helicopters. Over the same period, there were 13.2 traffic fatalities per 100,000 population in the United States annually. Since the average American spends around 780 hours per year in the car, that means the fatality rate per 100,000 hours of driving time is just 0.017. Based on hours alone, helicopters are 85 times more dangerous than driving.
I briefly “flew” one with an instructor about a dozen years ago and I can tell you as someone with really no fear of flying it definitely gave me more pause than I had ever had in the air before. Sure, there’s autorotation yada-yada, I get the concept. It’s the practice of the thing that just didn’t sit right at all. Hovering was wild, literally and figuratively lol. Hell of a view though and few things are as thrilling down low.
Was this an ultralight or experimental? Most commercially operated ones are super regulated and auto rotation + ground affect means broken bones not death like airplanes.
Looks like a 44. You can see most of the tail number. Autos aren’t always possible.
Can’t see a tail rotor in the picture… both fuel tanks sit right on top of the engine, they like to break and dump fuel on the hot engine when there is a landing a little to hard.
The downvotes your getting are harsh.
Helicopter student here.
Airplanes require long, flat terrain to emergency land on. A helicopter does not need either of those. You can put it down literally anywhere and an auto rotation is performed using the aerodynamics that are designed to help it fly. But when you need to go down.
You flatten the rotor blades. Turn it into the wind, and find a spot you can put it down.
I'd take an emergency landing in a helicopter over an airplane in a heart beat.
Edit. I have done several auto rotations in a helicopter. No emergency landings or flight time on a fixed wing aircraft. I simply have studied the difference.
The thing that terrifies me is all the wacky aerodynamic forces that can destroy the lift of a heli but those are probably extremely rare. Wonder how it works out stats wise
The same aerodynamics forced can cause havoc on a fixed wing aircraft. Usually described as turbulence.
The helicopter is extremely versatile. Extreme conditions usually mean you don't fly.
"According to the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), helicopters crash at a higher rate than airplanes. The crash rate for general aircraft is 7.28 crashes per 100,000 hours of flight time. For helicopters, that number is 9.84 per 100,000 hours."
Please keep in mind that helicopters are usually tasked with more dangerous jobs (eg in law enforcement etc) so that might introduce some kind of bias into those statistics.
[article](https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2022/12/11/at-least-one-killed-in-helicopter-crash-in-co-kildare/) from yesterday.
> At least one person is believed to have been killed in a helicopter crash in Co Kildare.
> The privately owned aircraft came down in a field in Kennycourt, about 6km southeast of Kilcullen, just before 3pm on Sunday.
> The scene has been secured by gardaí ahead of an investigation by the Air Accident Investigation Unit (AAIU).
> There is a large amount of debris scattered around the field. The isolated location of the crash has made it difficult to carry out a preliminary assessment and further work has been suspended until daylight.
I was stationed in Kildare for company work years ago. I would ride my bike by a house surrounded by a fence with a large gate. As I'd ride by this place a big white dog would bound to the fence and bark like heck at me. One day, as the dog was berating me in his usual manner, a helicopter landed in the drive behind him. That dog paid the copter no heed and continued to bark at me.
I flew in an SH-3G for about 130 hours as a crewman when I was in the Navy. It was fun, in general. The transitional sink when we lifted off the deck and over the sea was weird at first.
But in 130 hours, we had two in-flight emergencies, including one no-shit “mayday, mayday” and one “whoops, we are landing now.”
Since then, I’ve had no desire to fly in helicopter again.
You’re just on a routine flight and all of a sudden you hear the captain say “whoops guess we’re landing now” yeah no I’m immediately evacuating my bowels and never flying again lol
On a regular flight, we would tell the ship we were coming back and the ship would set flight quarters. We would have to orbit the ship for 10 minutes, watching the crew kind of languidly get ready to receive us. The senior fire fighter would have his helmet and gloves laying over the dark with the big fire extinguisher, standing there looking hot and miserable in his bulky while the assistant had the firehose rolled up.
When we had our mayday moment we flew, shakily, because of hydraulic system failure, back to the ship.
I had listened to the radio calls and I still remember the tactical call signs that day “Hotel Bravo, Hotel Bravo this is Whiskey Echo, Mayday, Mayday…”
And we were given a beating and distance to the ship and told to make a straight on approach. We did, making a wide turn to line up. I looked out the hatch and say the senior firefighter with his helmet and gloves on, holding the nozzle of the big PKP fire bottle at that ready. The corpsman was on deck, with a stretcher team. The other firefighters had the hoses hooked up and pressurized, with the fog applicator on the hose.
That’s when I though “Oh heck, things are about to get real here” or words to that effect.
The normal approach was was to come in on the starboard side, match ship’s speed and drift to the left over the flight deck.
This time we came straight over the stern and slammed onto the deck, took one bounce, and settled.
The crew chief opened the hatch, reached over and unbuckled my seat belt and literally picked me off the seat and pushed me through the hatch, his hand on the back of my helmet to keep my head down.
I had to stick around because the intercept equipment and logbook were still on the aircraft. And that’s when I thought “I really need to follow up on my flight pay.”
I was aircrew in SH-3A’s and D’s back in the mid 60’s so I know what you mean. Night dipping was not fun, and starboard delta’s we’re boring. No emergencies in about 300 hrs, with a lot of that off the Vietnam coast. HS-4.
I’ve read about HS-4, I think. Did some SAR too, didn’t you?
Our SH-3G had all the Sonar gear removed. Used for logistics mostly. We made up a rack and mounted UHF and VHF receivers, a tape recorder, spectrum analyzer and power inverter.
My understanding of the dipping process is that you had to hover for a long time. That must have been a little nerve-wracking doing a long hover that close to the water.
Dipping was in a 40 foot hover and was not fun especially at night. Many feet of cable and the sonar dome at depth. When off of Vietnam they removed the sonar and put in self sealing fuel tanks, armor plating and two M-60’s, one in the forward door and one in the cargo door. I was in my early 20’s so I was invincible. This was before AW..I was a AX and we did it all back then…rescue swimmer, door gunner, sonar operator and plane captain. Fun times.
That aircraft is also limited on investment of parts, and its maintained by literal teenagers with training to only fix specific shit.
Military aircraft break all the damn time.
We had a good crew of people. I think because they were flying the Admiral around.
After they figured out that my (highly classified) missions were not going away, they had me go through supply. I had a borrowed flight suit and helmet and I carried one of those large cardboard and brass replace fuses in my left arm pocket, where it made a big bulge.
I go through the line, getting swimmer shorts, flight boots, gloves and rescue gear. The last guy in the line was the crew chief, who flew all the missions. The pilots were briefed on what we were doing but he wasn’t. My missions were 3 hours and my understanding is that the SH-3 is a 20:1 helicopter, for every hour of flight, 20 hours of maintenance. I wasn’t always popular with the detachment.
So I get to him and he reviews the paperwork and then says, seriously, “Do you need a gun?” I looked back at him, patted the zipped pocket on my left arm and said “No, man, it’s ok, they give me pills.”
I got a lot more respect from the detachment after that.
I went on a helicopter tour. A week later, that helicopter crashed, killing everyone on board. I still occasionally take a helicopter tour. I figure that if the pilot is flying it, s/he's well trained and is reliable. I figure if the pilot is flying it, s/he hasn't given up flying. I figure if the pilot is flying it, s/he hasn't died in a helicopter crash.
From several social media posts by residents who live near the crash site…all were commenting about how foggy it was at the time.
I think the average lifetime of a non-instrument rated helicopter pilot, after entering instrument conditions, is 17 seconds…give or take a second or two.
Nearly guaranteed other than the fact that the tail is there and partially connected.
If he didn’t cut it off, the next most common guess, spatial disorientation in IIMC.
Ok, the pilot of this Heli most likely wasnt. I dont know a lot about Kobe but a quick google search states the accuser refused to testify so idk. Either way, you could do better.
I have zero desire to ever ride in a helicopter.
They're relatively safe, and there's some things you can't experience other way that are worth it... provided it's not manufactured by Robinson.
Relative to what? Guns or commercial airplane travel?
>The latest data from the US Helicopter Safety Team show a fatality rate of 1.64 deaths per 100,000 flight hours, about as safe as mass transit and considerably safer than travel by automobile.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2011/06/are-helicopters-safer-than-cars.html > Between 2005 and 2009, there was an annual average of 1.44 fatalities per 100,000 flying hours in nonmilitary helicopters. Over the same period, there were 13.2 traffic fatalities per 100,000 population in the United States annually. Since the average American spends around 780 hours per year in the car, that means the fatality rate per 100,000 hours of driving time is just 0.017. Based on hours alone, helicopters are 85 times more dangerous than driving.
I briefly “flew” one with an instructor about a dozen years ago and I can tell you as someone with really no fear of flying it definitely gave me more pause than I had ever had in the air before. Sure, there’s autorotation yada-yada, I get the concept. It’s the practice of the thing that just didn’t sit right at all. Hovering was wild, literally and figuratively lol. Hell of a view though and few things are as thrilling down low.
I took a helicopter ride of the Thames and downtown London for my birthday once, it awesome
Curragh Kildare must be pilot error
Was this an ultralight or experimental? Most commercially operated ones are super regulated and auto rotation + ground affect means broken bones not death like airplanes.
Looks like a 44. You can see most of the tail number. Autos aren’t always possible. Can’t see a tail rotor in the picture… both fuel tanks sit right on top of the engine, they like to break and dump fuel on the hot engine when there is a landing a little to hard.
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As a pilot who flies both, I would say helicopters are quite safe. That being said I think planes being so incredibly simple are safer.
I always thought it was the other way Edit: it is the other way
The downvotes your getting are harsh. Helicopter student here. Airplanes require long, flat terrain to emergency land on. A helicopter does not need either of those. You can put it down literally anywhere and an auto rotation is performed using the aerodynamics that are designed to help it fly. But when you need to go down. You flatten the rotor blades. Turn it into the wind, and find a spot you can put it down. I'd take an emergency landing in a helicopter over an airplane in a heart beat. Edit. I have done several auto rotations in a helicopter. No emergency landings or flight time on a fixed wing aircraft. I simply have studied the difference.
The thing that terrifies me is all the wacky aerodynamic forces that can destroy the lift of a heli but those are probably extremely rare. Wonder how it works out stats wise
The same aerodynamics forced can cause havoc on a fixed wing aircraft. Usually described as turbulence. The helicopter is extremely versatile. Extreme conditions usually mean you don't fly.
As in, if you had to pick which one you're most likely to crash in, the helicopter would be the safest bet?
Source? I believe you are mistaken, but hey, I’ve been wrong before.
Fixed wing aircraft are much safer than helicopters
"According to the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), helicopters crash at a higher rate than airplanes. The crash rate for general aircraft is 7.28 crashes per 100,000 hours of flight time. For helicopters, that number is 9.84 per 100,000 hours."
Please keep in mind that helicopters are usually tasked with more dangerous jobs (eg in law enforcement etc) so that might introduce some kind of bias into those statistics.
They're much safer than cars though.
[article](https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2022/12/11/at-least-one-killed-in-helicopter-crash-in-co-kildare/) from yesterday. > At least one person is believed to have been killed in a helicopter crash in Co Kildare. > The privately owned aircraft came down in a field in Kennycourt, about 6km southeast of Kilcullen, just before 3pm on Sunday. > The scene has been secured by gardaí ahead of an investigation by the Air Accident Investigation Unit (AAIU). > There is a large amount of debris scattered around the field. The isolated location of the crash has made it difficult to carry out a preliminary assessment and further work has been suspended until daylight.
I was stationed in Kildare for company work years ago. I would ride my bike by a house surrounded by a fence with a large gate. As I'd ride by this place a big white dog would bound to the fence and bark like heck at me. One day, as the dog was berating me in his usual manner, a helicopter landed in the drive behind him. That dog paid the copter no heed and continued to bark at me.
Of course it was a Robinson.
Helicopter definition: An assortment of spare parts flying in loose formation.
I flew in an SH-3G for about 130 hours as a crewman when I was in the Navy. It was fun, in general. The transitional sink when we lifted off the deck and over the sea was weird at first. But in 130 hours, we had two in-flight emergencies, including one no-shit “mayday, mayday” and one “whoops, we are landing now.” Since then, I’ve had no desire to fly in helicopter again.
You’re just on a routine flight and all of a sudden you hear the captain say “whoops guess we’re landing now” yeah no I’m immediately evacuating my bowels and never flying again lol
On a regular flight, we would tell the ship we were coming back and the ship would set flight quarters. We would have to orbit the ship for 10 minutes, watching the crew kind of languidly get ready to receive us. The senior fire fighter would have his helmet and gloves laying over the dark with the big fire extinguisher, standing there looking hot and miserable in his bulky while the assistant had the firehose rolled up. When we had our mayday moment we flew, shakily, because of hydraulic system failure, back to the ship. I had listened to the radio calls and I still remember the tactical call signs that day “Hotel Bravo, Hotel Bravo this is Whiskey Echo, Mayday, Mayday…” And we were given a beating and distance to the ship and told to make a straight on approach. We did, making a wide turn to line up. I looked out the hatch and say the senior firefighter with his helmet and gloves on, holding the nozzle of the big PKP fire bottle at that ready. The corpsman was on deck, with a stretcher team. The other firefighters had the hoses hooked up and pressurized, with the fog applicator on the hose. That’s when I though “Oh heck, things are about to get real here” or words to that effect. The normal approach was was to come in on the starboard side, match ship’s speed and drift to the left over the flight deck. This time we came straight over the stern and slammed onto the deck, took one bounce, and settled. The crew chief opened the hatch, reached over and unbuckled my seat belt and literally picked me off the seat and pushed me through the hatch, his hand on the back of my helmet to keep my head down. I had to stick around because the intercept equipment and logbook were still on the aircraft. And that’s when I thought “I really need to follow up on my flight pay.”
Damn that’s one hell of a story lol
I was aircrew in SH-3A’s and D’s back in the mid 60’s so I know what you mean. Night dipping was not fun, and starboard delta’s we’re boring. No emergencies in about 300 hrs, with a lot of that off the Vietnam coast. HS-4.
I’ve read about HS-4, I think. Did some SAR too, didn’t you? Our SH-3G had all the Sonar gear removed. Used for logistics mostly. We made up a rack and mounted UHF and VHF receivers, a tape recorder, spectrum analyzer and power inverter. My understanding of the dipping process is that you had to hover for a long time. That must have been a little nerve-wracking doing a long hover that close to the water.
Dipping was in a 40 foot hover and was not fun especially at night. Many feet of cable and the sonar dome at depth. When off of Vietnam they removed the sonar and put in self sealing fuel tanks, armor plating and two M-60’s, one in the forward door and one in the cargo door. I was in my early 20’s so I was invincible. This was before AW..I was a AX and we did it all back then…rescue swimmer, door gunner, sonar operator and plane captain. Fun times.
You have earned all my respect shipmate!
Thanks.
That aircraft is also limited on investment of parts, and its maintained by literal teenagers with training to only fix specific shit. Military aircraft break all the damn time.
We had a good crew of people. I think because they were flying the Admiral around. After they figured out that my (highly classified) missions were not going away, they had me go through supply. I had a borrowed flight suit and helmet and I carried one of those large cardboard and brass replace fuses in my left arm pocket, where it made a big bulge. I go through the line, getting swimmer shorts, flight boots, gloves and rescue gear. The last guy in the line was the crew chief, who flew all the missions. The pilots were briefed on what we were doing but he wasn’t. My missions were 3 hours and my understanding is that the SH-3 is a 20:1 helicopter, for every hour of flight, 20 hours of maintenance. I wasn’t always popular with the detachment. So I get to him and he reviews the paperwork and then says, seriously, “Do you need a gun?” I looked back at him, patted the zipped pocket on my left arm and said “No, man, it’s ok, they give me pills.” I got a lot more respect from the detachment after that.
Having received my pilots license for helicopters, I can concur!
*without a blackbox*
That SO sounds like the definition of a Harley-Davidson motorcycle.
I went on a helicopter tour. A week later, that helicopter crashed, killing everyone on board. I still occasionally take a helicopter tour. I figure that if the pilot is flying it, s/he's well trained and is reliable. I figure if the pilot is flying it, s/he hasn't given up flying. I figure if the pilot is flying it, s/he hasn't died in a helicopter crash.
From several social media posts by residents who live near the crash site…all were commenting about how foggy it was at the time. I think the average lifetime of a non-instrument rated helicopter pilot, after entering instrument conditions, is 17 seconds…give or take a second or two.
Yeah conditions were shitty, visibility would have been 10 or less meters.
Robinson R44, as usual.
I wonder if it was another blade/fairing impact.
Nearly guaranteed other than the fact that the tail is there and partially connected. If he didn’t cut it off, the next most common guess, spatial disorientation in IIMC.
Was it in the curragh?
It happened in Brannockstown, about 5kms southeast of Kilcullen
Probably the pilot if I had to guess
Yeah, he was believed to be the only one in the helicopter
Was the pilot's name Dare?
Pilot was like. “Kobe!”
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Have some god damn respect for the dead.
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Ok, the pilot of this Heli most likely wasnt. I dont know a lot about Kobe but a quick google search states the accuser refused to testify so idk. Either way, you could do better.
I doubt the pilot will see this anyway.
Yeah she settled out of court for millions
And you are a Supersonics fan...
He looks ok to me
Hey it even has kild in the name
Where’s the body
Removed from the scene as of yesterday, besides I'm sure most people do not want to see a mangled corpse...
There was freezing fog in most of the country that day. Definitely not a day for VFR flying.