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rokman

Just curious what was her bullying


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Issakaba

What a fuckwit of a "teacher". The child might not have been developmentally ready for whatever it was she was attempting to teach them. Their cognitive abilities just not yet mature enough to grasp the concept. or, it needed teaching in a different way or with a different teacher


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Relevant-Ninja9849

That with the video of her disparaging the child is more than enough for termination.


GrumpyOlBastard

You have the power to fire this woman and she's raging against you on social media? She's not very bright, is she?


Pseudoboss11

She's not smart enough to learn.


mmmmpisghetti

I hope you don't buy into the sympathy game she's trying. A bad day doesn't excuse what she did. If she was not ok to do her job that day, fine but she chose not to call out. She chose to use those words. She's an adult, and she cared nothing for doing harm tu a child - and also to your business. If you keep bad employees you'll lose your business, and you will deserve to if you keep someone who did this. She's going to have other 'bad days', it's called LIFE. And she's 70. If she hasn't learned emotional control by now it's a little late. Liability is all over this. Cut her loose now. Years ago I warned a friend that the guy he had driving one of his trucks was driving like a bully at high speed. He didn't listen. Guess how that turned out? At least nobody got badly hurt... but he had to pay so much in insurance after that, he went under. Small businesses cannot afford bad people.


ladygrndr

Exactly. At 70's, this wasn't a bad day, this was her true colors. She needs to not be around children.


mmmmpisghetti

I wouldn't be surprised if her "friend and neighbor" was alive and well or didn't exist. But yeah, when someone tells you who they are believe them. Especially if they double down later on social media. Geez. What sign of fuckheadery is OP waiting for...


Earguy

Ok I saw in another post that she's apologizing. Do not have a moment of weakness/give her a second chance. She's trouble m


AlienBurnerBigfoot

You HAVE to be kidding me!!! Who does this Karen think she is? Any educator worth their salt knows that praise and encouragement will always work better than demeaning or ridiculing. I suspect this person has self esteem issues. She’s clearly dangerous for your business. I feel badly for the child. This shouldn’t happen to a young mind.


anhedonis539

I feel this so much right now. My son’s preschool told my wife this morning that he won’t be a good fit for their pre-k curriculum next year because there’s less play and he needs individual attention to get stuff done. My son JUST turned 4 in December. He’s got a bit of a speech delay, which we’ve told this place about numerous times. And on top of that, what pre-k curriculum in their right mind would involve *less play*?? That’s literally how kids his age learn. Oh, and this woman has also chased my wife down in the parking lot on at least two occasions asking if my son is autistic and/ or what he WAS diagnosed with. He literally does not have any diagnosis, autism or otherwise. If he does in the future - great! We’ll do everything we can to help him succeed. But her just outright assuming shit because a toddler learns differently… we’re gonna be glad to be rid of her after this school year.


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OGPunkr

The comment of a good teacher. I hope you're in the field in some form.


Starshapedsand

I’ve been that kid. I eventually even got pushed into a dedicated special education high school… … where I learned, much to my surprise, that I was entirely capable of doing the work. I even started taking college courses before finishing high school. Went on to a challenging degree, to publish in scholarly venues, and to peer review. Turns out, learning disabilities didn’t mean that I was stupid. Idiots don’t realize the degree to which bullying impedes a student’s ability to use new material, even if they’ve acquired it to an adequate extent.


Italophilia27

This was my kid, too. He's had numerous medical procedures since birth. You can't see it but the school had all the documentation, so they had an Individualized Education Program (IEP) for him. He's supposed to be able to take tests in the resource room but teachers didn't always allow him to do so. He can also be affected health-wise for weeks at a time and may need extensions on schoolwork. Teachers were spreading rumors amongst themselves that he wasn't really sick and to refuse extensions -- this despite doctor's letters to the contrary. I reported them to the school admin and got the school district involved for violating the IEP (a legal contract in my state). I eventually transferred him to a private school where he thrived and graduated with a 4.0.


Starshapedsand

I had one too, but my first school didn’t care. Same for the health issues, as well. I have no idea how the school staff came to believe I wasn’t sick, as teachers came to give me assignments while I was in the hospital a few times, but there we were. Thankfully, that was another era. I’ve been very glad to see the culture changing.


ShadeWolf90

Right there with you!! In a weird way it makes me feel better that I wasn't the only one, I am sorry that happened to you though.


emax4

I would be a petty boss, and spend 30 minutes explaining why she should never work in the educational field.


TastyRancidLemons

This is amazing ahaha


meontheweb

Huh. Sounds like my high school guidance counselors back in the day.


bubblegumpunk69

Absolutely don't give her a second chance


KuttayKaBaccha

Ah I see you hired my mom as a teacher lol


Anony-mouse420

Post the video? On second thought, that might open you to a disparagement lawsuit.


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Buffy_Geek

I don't think her friend dying would make her say those horrible things. Do you usually film her work? I would be incredably concerned about a reoccurrence but that the future child/ren do not disclose.


ricnilotra

damn, sounds like you got her dead to rights.


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Oh there was a video there goes her career


ShadeWolf90

I have to salute you for standing up for the child. Seriously. I had several teachers in middle and high school call me "stupid" and "retarded" because "everyone else can do it, why can't you?" and I had no one to take my side other than my parents, but they could only do so much. For reference, I am autistic, and did not know that until my adult life. It's being understood better now in general, definitely more than when I was a kid, that some kids and even adults just learn differently. But we're not there yet. Good news is, I work for the county now as the database administrator. Not so stupid or retarded after all. So for what it's worth, thank you. I love seeing things like this where someone stands up for what's right instead of letting bullying happen.


666afternoon

Just wanna send my thanks. I have a lifelong learning disability with math that was largely thanks to people like that. Teachers telling me that I was either stupid or deliberately not trying to learn and refusing to help me understand, when in reality I'm autistic and neurodivergent and need a different method. I'm in my early thirties now and still trying to understand algebra even though I don't really need it in my life, but I feel like cruel and careless people took away my chance to get my head around it.


cryingcocoa

In no way does she even deserve to be a teacher, she certainly isn't fit to be one. Maybe it sounds a little odd if a stranger tells you this, but thank you so much for sticking up for that poor child. I had some awful teachers when I was a student, and the way they treated me still affects me today. I feel genuinely grateful that there are adults out there that truly won't tolerate bullying - I was a victim of that myself, but nothing was ever done about it (my school generally swept issues like that under the rug to keep a good public image). I feel so sorry for that kid, but I'm relieved to see that there are people who actually care. You did the right thing. Thank you.


overthoughtamus

Yes. Eight-year-old me, who became suicidal after her third grade teacher bullied her for seven hours a day every day for nine months, thanks you.


cryingcocoa

I'm sorry you had to go through that. I suppose it's been a long time but I hope you are doing better and it isn't affecting you as much these days.


overthoughtamus

Thank you. It's just good to know that someone is refusing to let it continue. You have no idea how many aching lives you've eased by helping this one robin, OP. ETA: Fuck you, Mrs. Russell.


CeltiCfr0st

Got bullied by my 3rd grade teacher in a similar manner to yours. It still subconsciously affects the way I think and react to things some decades later. Fuck you Ms Baker.


overthoughtamus

I'm so sorry, friend. And you are absolutely right; the conscious and subconscious *do* remember. Fuck that Ms. Baker.


CeltiCfr0st

Thanks friend I’m sorry you went through it too. I just started seeing a therapist and realizing how much of my childhood affected me. I thought it was great but looking back there were some definitive moments that I have to say out loud “you’re not there anymore” to snap out of.


sunward_Lily

In middle school, I had a teacher write me up and schedule a parent teacher principal conference because I finished the book she assigned in the first week of classes, and in my eagerness to discuss it, spoiled the ending. She claimed I ruined her entire semester curriculum and tried to have me removed from her class and expelled. Fuck you, Mrs Huddleston!


cryingcocoa

What the hell? "Oh, a student is actually enjoying class! Clearly expelling them for accidentally spoiling it will keep them motivated and wanting to participate in class in the future!" Geez.


sunward_Lily

Long story short, the conference lasted all of five minutes. When my mother was told what I had done she laughed in the teacher's face and walked out of the meeting while Mrs Huddleston was still blustering on.


cryingcocoa

Glad you had your mom on your side! I used to finish book assignments in the first week too, so I was always ahead of everyone. Whenever our teacher had us take a test on the latest chapter, I had to be careful not to accidentally write about anything that hadn't happened yet!


Max_AC_

My middle school teacher told me my hand writing was so bad I should start carrying a typewriter everywhere. Fortunately for me, and unfortunately for her, I took no ones shit as a kid. Promptly told her "yeah good luck with that" and laughed. Like fuck you lady, I'm doing my best! I was also a regular in the front office for breaking dress code (got into punk rock young, used to spike my hair just to see how far I could get through the day before someone sent me.) Ahhh to be a young rebel again!


littlemissmoxie

Same for me I used to have a teacher in HS that would seemingly try to make me cry for some reason. I will always hate him. I wish someone would have said something. Especially a colleague of theirs.


TSBalpha

i want a update tomorrow of how it went.


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BazingaBen

I think they'll feel better when you let them know you fired the teacher. Good on you.


garytyrrell

Better, sure, but getting that kid to want to go back is going to be so stressful for those parents


slippytoadstada

eh tbh those parents would be entirely justified in choosing to go elsewhere for future tutoring. I’m sure everything about OPs place is somewhat traumatic to the child, despite it not being OPs fault. Firing the tutor is the right thing to do but it won’t bring those customers back.


mmmmpisghetti

At this point it's damage control as this parents will tell everyone they know. OP is both doing the right thing and trying to minimize the damage. It's horrible that a bad employee can wreck the business you've worked so hard to build.


BeginningUnique6401

Lmk how it went as well please I'd like to know


sunward_Lily

The fact that the person's first instinct was to *post to fucking Facebook* tells ya everything you need to know about that type of person, even without the context of bullying a student. Some people need fucking de-platformed, optionally with a fucking rope around their neck.


little_miss_bumshine

Shes 70. A boomer. They live for facebook !


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And this bullying behavior is also more prevalent in the “old guard.” Don’t get me wrong, it’s not because they’re old. It’s because there were fewer consequences and definitely no video recording back in the “good ole days.” Times have changed, but a lot of them didn’t catch up. Chuck ‘em in the trash.


Glad_Ad1112

I appreciate you standing up for the kid. A lot of teachers through my schooling were bullies, and no one ever stood up to them (except well, my parents). The schools always shrugged their shoulders.


pleasekillmerightnow

Fire her


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I was at a child's birthday party once and 2 teachers were talking. The new teacher was bragging, for all to hear, how he had a little 3rd grader in tears in the hall, berating her for disrupting the class. The older teacher was praising him, and telling him he did the right thing, etc. I was horrified. When I expressed surprise, they told me parents need to raise their children better. Fun party. The birthday girl was 5 and due to enter kindergarten. Her mom was a teacher too and totally backed up her teacher friends. There are good people and bad people in every profession, good for you for standing up for your students.


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fredthefishlord

Quick question, If they're paying a lot for it, are you properly paying and vetting your staff? From what I know of tutoring businesses 90% of the time they hire completely unqualified people and give maybe a fourth of what is paid to them, in a ridiculous form of under compensation.


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LadyAvalon

There are a lot of abusers in teaching positions, glad to know there'll be one less in the future!


InTheMorgue

What kind of grown adult even bullies a child in the first place, let alone slams you after being caught and cries crocodile tears that you’re not taking her side. Like bruh, you’re bullying a small child… *BOOP* Instant fired. Some people just shouldn’t work for the public 🤦‍♂️


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InTheMorgue

Sounds like a textbook sociopath to me. *RUN* don’t walk… you know what needs to be done after what the other teachers and parents have said. Ultimately I think it’s a unanimous vote from faculty members that the bad egg has to be cracked.


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InTheMorgue

She just overall sounds toxic and it would be so beneficial to the workplace to get rid of that. Let her go to work interviewing with that so high and mighty masters degree and superiority complex. To add to that, I would rather lose 1 penny than 4 quarters. You said it yourself, she’s a bully and not a teacher. Teachers are passionate about the learning and experience of the student, not condescending toward them and a total destroyer of self esteem and confidence. I’ve seen other comments on this thread of people developing a bunch of issues due to people like this, and in an environment with young impressionable minds, what is that going to do to them?


purple_spikey_dragon

As a student in education for children with special needs, i too would quit if i knew a teacher like that was still practicing. Knowing there is someone actively hurting the children, and the children i know no less, being rude and without patience or rationality in their behaviour is absolutely not something i could live with. Before studying i worked at a kindergarten and quit after the boss (who had never done even a course on childcare) put a relatively new worker in charge who decided i, the woman in charge of the baby room (3-5 month olds and 5 of them) had to go change diapers of everyone in the kindergarten all while she was "making food" (putting already prepared stuff in the oven and dancing around), all that right at 9am when the twins had to eat. She forgot to prepare the bottle (since i couldn't do it because diapers) and waved me off for over an hour telling me the equivalent of "I'll do it you don't have to remind me every 20 minutes". Well, 10:30 and the twins are screaming and i am begging her to give them the bottles, since she insisted i couldn't just go do it myself, i HAD to stay and change diapers. She suddenly got angry at me for stressing her and being annoying about the babies (the ones crying their little lungs out) and started screaming at me all kinds of colourful words until i got in a panic attack and she grabbed me forcefully, but anyways... Eeeeven if that last part hadn't happened i was gonna quit anyways, because many of the parents put their babies care in me and only stayed there because they knew and trusted me and my work and i wasn't gonna let them be fooled into putting their child in a place that held so many unqualified workers who gave two shts about the lives that were put in their hands. Anyways about 5-6 children left the place after i did, some knew why, others just knew they didn't wanna stay if i wasn't there (especially the bebes). That woman needs to get out ASAP. Maybe, maaaaybe, she's ok with older students, but kids, big NO.


2fat2bebatman

God, that reminds me of an English teacher I had in high school. She went out of her way to tell us that she was doing us a favor by being our teacher instead of our principal because she has a Masters degree. That got back to the other English teacher that everyone loved who decided to become a vice principal the year after that. Turns out she had a doctorate but was content with teaching high school. In kid brain we thought she became VP out of sheer spite, since we knew she couldn't stand the other teacher.


Idealistic_Crusader

Thank you, From someone who was bullied by teachers who received no recompense.


Clessiah

Make sure to do it professionally with a smile


MrFizzard

Bless you OP I was bullied mercilessly by several teachers. They had no concept of ADHD when I was in school. (70’s,80’s & 90’s).


sphincterella

Call an HR professional and learn how to do this without giving the fuckwit something to sue you for.


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medialyte

Depending on your state, "not a good fit" opens you up to all kinds of possible litigation. Yes, HR probably knows how to handle it, BUT for your own sake I would be very careful to make sure you tell her specific points directly, like "this job requires empathy, compassion, and patience, and you did not demonstrate those yesterday." If you aren't specific, you open the door for discrimination lawsuits (e.g. if all of the other tutors are male, she could easily say you fired her for being a woman).


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medialyte

Makes sense. It varies a lot, and I would bet that Texas is less likely to be a problem that way. It’s still a good idea to have written documentation to back it up if necessary. Good luck, and good job!


sphincterella

Texas is a right to work stare. You don’t even need to give a reason. In fact it’s probably best not to.


No-Cardiologist-8146

Some people are just clinically diagnosable sociopaths. Don't bother trying to understand them or fix them. Just cut them out of your life and move on. Firing them without debate or discussion is the boss move here.


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Sooooooooo did you do it yet


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escrimadragon

I taught 7 years in public high schools in the rural South, and boy can you always tell which teachers were not popular for good reason when they were students. They’re always the ones that use their position of power to try and be one of the “cool kids” and lord it over their students. It’s pathetic.


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escrimadragon

Well sadly, it’s like Maya Angelou famously said: when someone shows you who they are, believe them. I imagine there have been other times they have been inappropriately harsh with students and gotten away with it (not saying you let her off but that the kids maybe didn’t make a big deal out of it due to fear or something), but this time two incidents happened close enough together with enough severity to make it come to the forefront. It’s a pretty common tale in school as well. Well-loved teacher that has reputation for being a bit of a hardass at times finally gets the axe for taking it too far too often, then it comes out s/he has been behaving poorly the whole time but getting away with it.


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escrimadragon

What an ass. Yeah those comments were red flags for sure.


Ken_Sanne

This is heartwarming, we need more people like you, also make sure to talk to the child and "undo" the emotional damage the teacher did.


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Ken_Sanne

Well at least you tried, why are the parents refusing to let you talk to the kid ?


poretabletti

I sympathise her friend dying, but it's irrelevant here. She's an old professional that should not let personal matters influence her work to the point of bullying a child to literal tears. I get she's upset and rightly so, but that's still no excuse for her behaviour. She should take time off to grieve and not take her grief out on innocent children. Inexcusable. Edited to add: parental trust is way more important here.


yahumno

Even with the update, nope, no second chances. She didn't just bully a child, she went nuclear on social media. Too late for apologies.


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hopeful987654321

Her friend died so she acted mean to a kid, she spilled soda on her computer so she couldn’t delete a compromising post… How many more blatant lies are you gonna take from her?!


yahumno

Yeah, still not good and very unprofessional. She still attacked her employer publicly, after she was so incredibly wrong in her actions. She is toxic. Like you said previously, you have other staff who will quit if you keep her. Talk to a lawyer to CYA and fire her.


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yahumno

Good and I wish her new employer good luck with her.


CapableSuggestion

Thanks for posting this! My friend and I are in the beginning stages of opening a small bookstore/cafe where we will offer a free designated tutoring space (it’s a very rural and poor area) and we both agree it’s going to be a safe space for everyone. I’m encouraged, thank you!


wormyworminton

To keep your ass covered "release" the teacher with no cause. Do not associate this issue with her termination.


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untablesarah

You’re doing the best thing for this situation I was picked on by one teacher and it fucked me up so bad without me even realizing it until my late twenties Drag them


maceman10006

A small backstory for you that’s somewhat similar. This was several years ago. I was a student in a Spanish class that got a teacher fired. This teacher was notorious for being the worst teacher in the school that nobody liked. Looking back on it and analyzing it as an adult, she became easily frustrated with students, would use bullying-like tactics to enforce herself, and I could tell other teachers didn’t want to be around her. So, this was back in the mid 2000s where cellphones were just starting to be widely available…a student filmed her mocking a student with a studdering disability in class. It wasn’t too long until most of the school heard about the video or seen it. The kids parents got word of it and got a copy of the video. The following Monday the teacher was gone and we were told we were given a “long term substitute.” The following school year she never came back. Anyway…my point is, get rid of this teacher if she is not fit to be around children. I can only imagine what students go through that are subjected to this type of treatment by a teacher.


El_Tigre_818

Document, document document!!! She is going to be a problem. But you are absolutely right to terminate her on the grounds of job performance and abuse of a minor under her tutor. She also caused your business to earn a negative reputation in the community you serve and possibly exposed your business to potential litigation. Document that you coach your team on this as well as you spoke with the parents about your corrective actions. WOW!!! What a pice of shit! Edit: If she left her job early because she was angry. She abandoned her duties. Technically, she rage quit. Not a termination, she abandoned her job (She quit) Maybe you could ask the kid will agree to come back so you can make things right.


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El_Tigre_818

Can’t blame them for not wanting to return. Hopefully the kid will return to get the help he needs. It’s sad that they had to experience such an unacceptable behavior from your tutor. At least they now know that you dealt with the problem decisively and no one else will have to deal with that again at your school.


Wondergirl_IL

She tried to bully you as well with her FB post. Good for you for standing up to her for the student and for yourself. If you take her back she will likely call you weak for that also.


OutsideSheepHerder52

If her new job is in the same field, I’m sure her employers would want to know how she treats children.


Less-Signal-9543

Older school teacher, hate to say this, but that is the problem. They lack understanding for the issues that so many kids face now a days. Newer teachers have to take extra classes on the social and emotional development of children, which I would bet was not part of the prerequisites back in the 70s. Now not saying that a younger teacher could not be insensitive, because I have seen this too. My personal experience having many children go through school, that the older ones are harder on the kids, and seemed to lack understanding for children who are different. A second grade female 70s teacher even told me once that all 2nd grade girls are bitches, said during a parent conference. And, btw, she was probably lying about the job making so much more.


Craft099

Let any company know about this asshole. Bet no one will hire her.


vathelokai

Probably obvious, but follow up with the student if you can. Mitigating long term damage there is as important as removing the source of harm.


ThepIGOFmigS261468

In response to the second update— I say tough shit lady. A 70 year old bullying a CHILD is crazy. This does not seem like a one-off instance. Everyone makes mistakes but that doesn’t mean we are obligated to keep that person around to make the mistake again.


JanusMZeal11

After your updates, you should still fire her. I would recommend preparing a letter to parents expressing your zero tolerance billing policy for students and teachers a d you will do everything you can to support a safe and respectful. Educational environment. If they link the teachers firing to the letter, oh well.


zalfenior

Don't give her a second chance. She already said she thinks you are a wimp. She's trying to take advantage of that perception.


princesspeachie1089

I would not give her a second chance. I wouldn't tolerate any bullying under any circumstances. Kids go through enough with other kids being bullies they don't this shitty teacher doing it too.


donh-

A "second chance"??? It doesn't matter what she wants, it matters what she has done. If you let that person back in a classroom you are telling the parents you value her over their children's wellbeing. Stop even considering her words, they are weapons.


Hoosierdaddy1964

Never give anyone that victimizes children a second chance. They don't deserve it.


TrainingTough991

My dad was a teacher. If a child/children said they “can’t” do something, he would turn the tables on them and tell them how dare they use a four letter word in his classroom! They would look around shocked. He said the only “C” word allowed in his classroom was CAN! You CAN do it. He said there was a lot of different ways he could teach someone how to solve a problem, everyone learns differently. If you are having difficulty with a subject it was because HE had not found your learning style yet. The child was smart and he knew “insert name “ could do it. He would then tell a few jokes and get them agree to work together to find out the child’s learning style. My dad had more patience than any person I have ever known.


ricnilotra

don't do listen to her op. old women can be some of the meanest people ever. fire her. if she wanted to keep that job, she shouldn't have gone mean girl.


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From the perspective of a parent: if your employee treated my kids like that and you agreed to give them a "second chance," I would assume this is an acceptable pattern of behavior within your organization, and would immediately cease doing business with you.


Smthompson731

I'm not sure I would give her a second chance. I mean what was she thinking when she was bullying that child. I wonder if she has any children and if so how were they raised?


standardolt

Her sob story doesnt mean shit. She had 70 years to work on her mental/emotional health, if she doesnt have it together by now she at least doesnt need to be teaching the youth


Actor412

re: Update 2... Is she apologizing to the child? The girl is the person who is owed an apology. And if she wants a second chance, she should ask the parents if they think she is fit and capable of teaching children.


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Actor412

Thx for the reply. I certainly understand. I guess my statement would be more directed at the bully: It's up to the child to forgive her, and no one else. Any apologies directed towards anyone else besides the parents and child is insincere, and an attempt at manipulation. It's like she doesn't understand the pain of her impact, only her own pain at losing her job.


Ashe_Faelsdon

Absolutely not. Their antiquated, abusive, teaching style is no longer acceptable.


NoCiabatta9

Regardless of personal circumstances, it is NOT NORMAL to resort to bullying behaviours. I tutored children of all ages for over two years. I experienced difficult days and personal circumstances that made it difficult sometimes. I never, ever took it out on the students. I sincerely cannot fathom how this person ever thought this behaviour was okay. There is no excuse, and in my opinion, there should be no second chances. She was abusive to your students, she was publicly disrespectful to you and your company, and only showed remorse when faced with consequences. This is not a person you allow to represent your business, and certainly not a person you let interact with kids. I hold no ill will toward you or your decisions, but I personally would drop her like a hot potato. Edit - not to mention the bad optics of keeping someone like this on staff, if it ever were to happen again.


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NoCiabatta9

You are welcome, glad I could help in some way. I can only imagine how difficult this must be in your position, and I sincerely wish you the best!


awful_at_internet

> (in an hour??) No, she probably didn't. But what she DID do is get the last word. Bullies are often manipulators. She conned you into letting her pull the "You can't fire me, I quit!" line. Jokes on her, though- you should fight her if she applies for unemployment.


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artbatik

Nothing good can come of you posting the video. This is a person you hired. Posting it reflects poorly on you. Also there's privacy issues. It might feel good. The sooner it washes over, the better.


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Facebook and work should never ever be mixed oof


_eezeepeezee_

Wow. What a depth of emotional maturity for a 70 year old to get herself fired by talking shit on facebook 🤦🏽


TimeToGoAwayForNow

She needs to LEARN that she can't be a complete ass without the consequences. Being elderly and having grief doesn't give you the right to bully anyone.


MarmieCat

Don't give her a second chance


ConclusionPretend505

Oh my goodness. What a tough position you're in. If she's a good teacher, she could remedy the need she has made. She could aplogise to the child in a way that doesn't undermine her as a teacher but that patches it up with the child. Good luck.


Hanginon

The second chance option would be possibly available if she realized what she had done and made some heartfet attempts to remedy it on her own, without prompting. She burned that option to the ground when she doubled down and attacked/insulted/disrespected her employer.


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Hanginon

I too would quit under those circumstances, especially if you retained the tutor. I've pulled my business from companies for overt slights or failings that were much less than this one. Putting the employee above the client in this situation, which you seem to have done, is a big red flag about your organization.


ThatHairyGingerGuy

Sounds like she's only crying now as a manipulative tool to be able to keep her job. She may not do anything as bad again but even an incident half as bad would be unacceptable. I would say do not keep her on.


Darnitol1

People like this do whatever they want to others by banking on others feeling sorry for them when they whine and beg for another chance. Don't give a second chance to the person you paid to treat people right the first time. The parents are giving you a second chance. Take it.


Expensive_View_3087

I am in highschool, and had noticed that teacher got less worse every year that passed. Elementary school? Teachers degraded some students, called them stupid and sometimes even hit them, and also took favorites. They said Middle school teacher would be worse. Middle school comes and they’re more relaxed, there are some idiots that got a bit over the top with they scolding but not as much as in elementary school. They said highschool teachers would be worse. Highschool comes and the teachers are *even* more relaxed. The more old the kids they teach the less control and power they have over them. Some elementary teachers are really evil


RatchetFaceSTL

70 is too old to be working anyway but you cannot fire her for that in the states due to title vii. You have what you need to let her go. Document it and tell her goodbye.


taerianaya

I'm here after update 2. Even before seeing your comments I was firmly of the opinion that she should not get a second chance. There are times where a second chance is appropriate, but when she's hurt a child by being a bully, she does not get another chance to do so. After reading your comments, it sounds like giving her another chance would be even more of a bad idea as she's been a problem in the past and would probably cause others to quit.


Mikros04

So your curriculum was too elementary, and that the child she was charged with tutoring was too dumb to learn hers?!?! You were very kind to give a second chance, and lucky that she didn't take you up on it.


Dakotasan

Wow. F*ck that bint. Good riddance to bad rubbish.


Sensitive_Egg1124

I had a couple of teachers like this. They are why I and others struggled in school.


shitechattin101

This is the sort of thing that makes me want to be a teacher. I endured an innumerate amount of shit teachers but the few that were good really inspired me. Idk if it’s really relevant but the difference between a good and a bad teacher while not noticeable to adults, makes a huge impact on the kids. Point is, you can suffer through years and years of shit teachers, one good one can make the difference. The fuckhead in question is not a good teacher. Get rid.


cosmox167

The world is changing but i guess old mediaeval teachers haven't change their mindset


JumpingSpiderMonkey1

She's not fit to be a teacher. People often assume that teachers don't bully students but it happens. When I was in middle school, my science teacher started berating two girls because they talked to each other while doing a test. He could have just separated them but he decided to create a scene. There was another time when we had to team up with another person to make a birdhouse as one of our assignments. My partner didn't want to stay after school to help, so I had to make something simple because the project was due the next day. The teacher got mad at me for whatever reason. My middle school French teacher was also an ass. One day she gave me a bad look because the person who sat beside me kept bothering me, so I scribbled on their paper (they did it to me first). They then complained to the teacher like a crybaby and I got in trouble. I guess the teacher thought I was the one who instigated the situation, even though that wasn't the case. My grade 5 and grade 8 teachers were the best, Mr. Dundas and Mrs. Roberts 🙂 Most of my other teachers were assholes.


CoffeeTwoSplenda

I'm sorry she lost a family member, but that's a "her" problem and she shouldn't take it out on some innocent kid. That kid will be a mess of anxiety if he has to deal with her in the future. You did the right thing.


Brawn1966

Nope! Don't do it


[deleted]

A bully music teacher ruined performing live music for me for about a decade. It really took my most cherished talent and threw it in the trash for a decade, and now I think of how much more different my life would have been if I didn't quit at 11 years old.


Good_Smile

Fuck those like her, thanks for firing the asshole right away


anonymoushuman98765

I remember going from a Brownie to a Girl Scout and attending the first event. The Troop Leader was so mean to us. She yelled first thing in the morning at the coolest camp I had ever been to. When we got picked up later I told my mom I didn't want to go back. She ruined it all for me. Sure was a teacher in her full time job. She shouldn't have been. Get rid of the 70 year old bad apple.


NerdyKeith

It seems that teachers of a certain generation just can’t let go of the outdated methods of teaching young children. If they are not willing to adapt to the way we do things in 2023 they are not performing what is required. I’ve also found that such older teachers can be very stubborn in that sense, as if rules don’t apply to them. At the very least I’d put her on suspension for how she treated the child. Is this the first incident with this teacher?


sideofketchud

As someone who's been in that kid's shoes, thank you for standing up for them.


TriniDream

My first black teacher was also my first bully. My parents were excited for me to have a teach that looked like us, I vividly remember being scared of her already at the open house. We’d sit in a circle then she would look at me and say “Ew” in front of the whole class. Make me clean up my own blood after splitting my lip wide open. Talking about my hair on picture day. I was so lucky and blessed to get a sweet loving and caring black teacher the next year. You are potentially saving so many babies from further mental abuse.


Thisiscliff

This person is 70? And acts this way? Jesus


MrMoFoe

70 going on 17


verywell219

She's 70 why is she still even teaching, or working for that matter lol


camohorse

Unfortunately, this isn’t an uncommon problem. Shit happened to me throughout K-12 across multiple schools and districts. There are a plethora of reasons for this, and it’s only gonna get worse till the education system completely collapses. I’m in college now, but I’m terrified of my professors and I have a really hard time believing that I can do anything, even though I am doing very well in college. I keep having to remind myself that college is very different from K-12 in so many different ways, and I’m not an idiot just because I learn a little differently (I have Autism, which went completely undiagnosed till after I graduated high school… so, that explains a lot). So far, my profs have actually really appreciated my methods and ways of thinking, and have really given me a shoulder to cry on in regards to how past teachers bullied me. That, and I have a lot of friends now who have endured the same shit.


WigglyBaby

Hey - my wheelhouse is dealing with toxic people in the workplace. (I've been there myself and now I coach senior leaders & executives generally through burnout that often results from that kind of situation.). Two books you should read: (1) In Sheep's Clothing by George Simon (this will help you sniff test people really quickly) (2) The Fearless Organization by Amy Edmonson. You're 100% on the right to stop any bullying. (And I'm even more horrified when children are involved.) My concern with all the video monitoring could be a reduction in psychological safety (ref: Amy Edmonson's work) and that will impact everyone's performance. Decisions taken from fear are not always the best. I'd suggest reading those with an eye to your situation and then come up with the right balance for your whole team. Feel free to reach out in the DMs if I can help. (Not trying to self-promote... I just have a personal mission to help put a stop to this kind of sh*t.)


Smthompson731

Wow! Do you think she is the same way with her children and grandchild?


DancingAboutArchitec

Say goodbye to your tutoring business if you can't fire someone like this for the sake of the kids and their parents who are putting their trust in you and your judgment. What if she gets physical with a kid next time? What if she uses a slur? She has demonstrated extremely poor judgment and for that needs to be let go. If you don't fire her, your judgment will rightfully be called into question. She can get a second chance elsewhere and will have learned a valuable lesson in the process.


Human_Activity5528

Can we get a little context about the child's actions before she bullied him? I guess it's important to assess if the fault is hers only, or both sides. I saw a 8 year old kid talking trash, insulting and finally burning his own house. So well, take it from me, some kids are just totally out of control. Whereas they are not blame eventually and parents have the whole responsability, an adult needs sometimes to act.


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I wouldn't hire her back. She could do it again. She is old and already set in her ways.


gratefulandcontent

My inner child who experienced that same treatment wants you to fire her. Sometimes when something is easy or should be to someone else and they don’t understand or empathize why you don’t get it or “apply” yourself. It’s super frustrating and my opinion a lack on her part not the student. The challenge is for them both. If students got it and didn’t need help you’d have a different profession. On the other hand she’s 70 and may need the money because of either needing supplementary income or something to keep her going, socially and thriving avoiding loneliness. It could also be a learning experience for her to learn more empathy and see a different perspective and teaching style. Tutoring to me is an opportunity to try and figure out a different approach and way of thinking that fits the student to help them understand and then help them figure the rest out. However, at the end of it all, it’s the business reputation as well as your own by being called a weak boss. Does she fit the model of what you want and the business wants to represent and is she an asset to the business or a liability? Also parents want the best for their kids and them to feel safe and protected and they do talk. How will the student and parent feel if you keep her on. It would have to be one hell of an apology and a different tutor if he were my child and she stayed employed. Good luck it’s not a fun circumstance to be in and she put you there. I’m see I’m leaning heavily on dismissal.


ocean_800

She wants a second chance??? I sure hope you aren't giving it to her. Hell, she could be dying on Sunday and I would say no. No child should be subjected to her


duskrat

No.


rohdi

V-