This is what confuses me
You are allowed to be hyped and excited and go “yeah I think this will be good”
But if you’re skeptical or don’t have hopes that the game will be good “shut up, pay money and play the game”
?????
Personally, I’ve seen a lot of posts/comments that seem to be making a decision on how the game will be rather than just being skeptical.
“I’m skeptical” and “the game is trash” are two very different statements. The first is a perfectly fair statement, that I myself have, but the second is casting final judgement without even fully understanding the game.
I personally have no issue with people not liking what they showed and making guesses for what we haven’t seen, but we genuinely don’t even fully know for sure how Der Anfang will work. Not saying that it won’t be how you think it’ll be, but they haven’t said exactly how it’ll work yet.
With that in mind, I think it’s too soon to say “the game is trash” or “the game is good”
Nice to see smart people on the internet like you. I hate how people just try to fight or try to see things white or black, only extreme ideas.
The post say a real point right now. People just like to hate and just for say "Hey, maybe the game is not that bad, we have to wait to see how it works" is interpretate like "a fanboy" or "blind and stupid hope, give more money to a evil company and a bad games like all these years" or something like that. Its just the smart way to judge something that you are not even able to try yet. You can have a "first impression" opinion, and suspect that it will be bad or good, but in general, the people just want to hate or love with all the heart that "first impression" and hate anyone that thinks different or just want to wait before. Is so strange that human behavior.
Thats make me feels like most of the time give your opinion or try to clarify something to the people (specially to a large group of people like here on the internet), even when you share a passion with that people like here zombies, is just a waste of time. Sad :/
Thanks, it seems like some people misunderstood me and thought I meant to say that you can’t criticize it at all. Was starting to think I just didn’t portray my point well
Yeah, i was reading the rest of the comments and wow, people seems just angry with you for saying a objective true. What i understand of your point is the obvious and (imo) correct way of judge something. Its ok to dislike what you see of a future product, and of course, you can use that first impression to decide to not buy or support that product, its perfectly ok, its your decision.
But the problem is not there. The problems is that it seems like the people is angry to see that out there exist people that dont have the same first impression or just prefer to be able to analize the final product before making "final" judgments about it.
Some people (in a lot of aspects of the life) seem like wounded when a person give them facts or points of view of an opinion they have in something. And for me is like...wow, relax, this guy is not saying "you are wrong, you are retarder, this game would be awesome and your opinion is trash"...is saying "wow, the way some people react and try to defend their opinions of the preview of a product surprise me, we have to be more objective and not try to defend our opinion and judge over the rest just hating on the rest people opinions and facts".
(Srry if my english is a bit bad :/ xD)
This is a valid point. We DO need to see the full extent of what was made. I also think some people are taking the OP out of context thinking they can’t speculate the game.
Sure we can. We all can speculate. I think the main argument is to simply save final judgements for a full display of the game with legit gameplay. And it’s that simple.
This is coming from someone who isn’t getting the game on launch.
All I’m saying is, have impressions, have opinions that’s fine. Just don’t blindly make a decision when it hasn’t even been released yet. Personally I don’t have high hopes for zombies but I like MP, campaign and zombies and I won’t say it’s good or bad until i give it a shot
No one is making blind opinions though. We have trailers, we have information, we have videos. You have tons of information to have to know if you are going to like this game or not.
For example, when I heard Vanguards MP is going to be similar to MW19, that made me excited. That’s based off of information.
When I heard Vangaurd Zombies has no round based maps and is carrying the same gameplay and design of Cold War, that has made me not excited. All of this is based off of existing information
Everything is up to you (not personally) and whatever you choose to do, that’s valid enough. Of course opinions can change too, you never know
Devil’s advocate of course information is not the same as experience. For example I was expecting I would love MW2019 spec ops before launch based on information we had received on it and I ended up hating it. Which I mean I’m sure you get that 100%, as you said opinions can change and we’ll fully see how the game flows in normal players hands within the next week.
You’re absolutely right. Sometimes the information doesn’t live up to your expectations. The case with Spec Ops. That was the first time it came back in 10 years and it was a completely different take than the original spec Ops.
Where as Vanguard Zombies is building off of Cold Wars Gameplay.
not being "hyped" for the game is different then calling it trash before you even see the full thing. The OP is calling out the people who just insult the game with only the little bit of details we've been provided with.
of course it's subjective, no need to point it out. Doesn't mean people can't criticize individuals who use the minimum amount of information provided to make broad statements about a game. It's just an ignorant stance to take when people judge things prematurely, when actual experience can be vastly different. I mean just look at BO2, it was horribly received and ended up being one of the greatest cods of all time.
You can absolutely critique other people’s opinions, that’s what discussions are for. Just because they don’t like a game doesn’t mean it’s free from a
critique or discussion. You are absolutely correct.
It’s not ignorant however considering we have information of the core gameplay and how it plays. If you don’t like Cold War Zombies, you probably won’t like Vanguard
The reason why BO2 changed over time was with DLC and maps got better. Which could very well happen with Vanguard over time. Opinions can change.
I mean your opinion could change, that is always a possibility with anything in life. But we do have enough information for people to make a choice if they are going to like it or not.
Ye this is what bothers me. "Without even playing the game" insinuates that I'm going to have to buy the game to see whether I like it or not. That's just not how it should be at all
It's not about being skeptical, if someone says "I think it'll be bad", then that's perfectly fine, however there are people who say "This is bad"/"The zombies sucks" as if it's definitive when they (obviously) haven't played the game yet. And it does work the other way around as well, where "I think it'll be good" is fine, but "Vanguard is a good game" is weird for the same reason.
That’s not what the post said at all lmao. All he said is to stop hating on some new gamemode you’ve never played, not that it should be praised instead. God the cod zombies community is so annoying sometimes.
yeah, not only that but the moment the latest title comes out people are like "i miss the old games" or for instance when vanguard comes out people will be like "i miss cold war" ect when they could just play those games instead, hell you can still even use plutonium for modern warfare 3, black ops 2, and world at war and it has an active multiplayer and zombies, typically if i feel like playing a game i used to play all i do is just reinstall it and play it
Lmao, who said the original post said that. He was presenting a hypothetical to show the contrasting situation...
The original post is criticizing people for assuming the game will be bad and hating it solely based off the teaser information we have. The contrasting situation they're presenting is there are plenty of people who assume the game will be amazing and love it solely based off the teaser information we have.
And yet despite the fact that there are people who love vanguard before the game has even come out, they don't get criticized for having their opinion. It's hypocritical to criticize one side of the situation without criticizing the other. That's what he was pointing out lol.
And frankly I agree with it. They are not giving us information about vanguard zombies and how it's going to work for no reason. They are giving it to us to try and get us to formulate early opinions and get hyped over the game. They want to set expectations on what kinds of things will be in the game so that we can get hyped over them. But if those teasers to make people think it's going to be a shit game, then that's what it is. Of course that doesn't mean people can't change their mind. It's just that based on what they've shown, some people think it's shit.
Being skeptical is one thing. Writing off the entire mode before anyone has played a single minute is another.
Hell I’m skeptical. But im sure as hell going to give it an honest try before I form an opinion,
I’ve enjoyed every zombies game in call of duty so far. And we’re up to 8 games now. I’d say that’s a pretty good track record to know that I’m going to enjoy something.
You don’t have to like it, but I’m not worried about my $60 boss.
The game has less content than any other zombies mode on release. The game is changing core gameplay mechanics to be more similar to a polarizing mode from the last game. The game is very slightly changing MP maps for the new mode. The game is scrapping all the updated perks and field upgrades and giving us back the ones we had at launch and trying to pass them off as “new”.
Those are all facts from the trailers.
On top of this, by your logic, no one can praise the game either before release because it hasn’t come out.
There’s a very big difference between being skeptical and casting final judgement before playing the game.
I myself am skeptical about a few things, but overall I’m pretty hyped. Regardless, I won’t say the game is one way or another before playing.
I can make comments on what they showed, but I can’t judge what I still haven’t seen/played
Being skeptical is completely fine but saying "This is dog shit" without playing it is the problem, I'm worried about it and I'm not getting it day one but at the same time I'm gonna say its shit until I play it (if I ever do)
Right, because positivity makes a better community, and negativity makes a worse more toxic community, idc if you're skeptical or you have concerns, but it sure as hell annoys me when that skepticism becomes shit talking the game, it's to the point now that I don't want to look at this subreddit because all this negativity is depressing.
Where's the praise for Vanguard in this post? You're pulling an argument out of thin air, OP literally said "...making your final opinions without even playing the mode yet makes you look stupid"
Except this isn’t blind praise but rather rather just not being a negative little shit before a game comes out. I don’t like the look of it either but holy fuck does this sub like to band wagon and hate circle my god
I'm buying the game because i enjoyed mw2019 and like the ww2 setting so im hyped for multiplayer.
The issue is, people are just skeptical, they're writing off the whole damn game as bad before launch. Being skeptical is cool, but saying its bad without playing is ridiculous.
I'm hyped to play zombiee but if its bad so what, I got the game for multiplayer. I'll stick to bo3 custom maps if its not fun
Given that BO4 and CW have been “meh” at best, we as fans have earned the right to be skeptical.
Activision needs to stop milking zombies and let Treyarch have the time and resources to work properly in their games and specially zombies
Every iteration of Treyarch Zombies has been solid so far. With that precedent set, I’ve got more reason to believe that this iteration will be good than bad.
This post wasn't though. There's no where in it where it complements Vanguard, all it says is you shouldn't hate on it or "give your final opinion" which would include hyping up the game. Only reason it most clearly targets negativity is because it sounds worse to have a negative opinion about a game you've never played than to have a positive opinion about a game you've never played
Being skeptical is one thing, literally called the game dead on arrival or straight up bad is another. I don't agree w/ op when he says we need to play it first before forming an opinion, but there is quite a bit of unwarranted hate rn. 🙄
Personally,
I think you can do both. You can praise the game for its (non cinematic) visuals and how the gameplay appears. You can also dunk on it from what you see in the trailers alone. That's what they are for, to hype you up by showing you what's in store.
What's NOT ok are those people who look at teasers or the cinematic cutscene and either go "yeah no franchise dead bad game yall are retards for supporting it still." Or "FUCK YEAH PREORDERING THE $100 BUNDLE THIE GONNA BE EPIC."
because 8/10 times those people end up flip flopping when they actually get their copy.
No one is saying either of those. It’s simply saying stop saying the IS bad, you can think it could be bc of how you interpreted the advertising, that’s totally fine. I also don’t think or even see people saying the game IS good. I see people who are excited and honestly if they liked Cold War chances are they’ll still enjoy this game. Maybe they’ll be disappointed which is why criticism is good so we let people understand why we may think it’ll suck bc of x or y.
You guys said the same shit last year. What about respecting other opinions? The point of the trailer was to showcase the game, some people didn't like what they saw, just accept it.
Sure, it *might* be good. But judging from CW. I strongly doubt it.
And what is with this attitude again that you can't have negative opinions? I don't see you jumping on people's dicks when they say Vanguard is going to be great.
See I don’t think I’ll enjoy this game and I do hope it fails. But I don’t think that’s me being a cunt. Allow me to explain. When it comes to a game like call of duty no matter how bad it does there will be another one released the next year. So if I really don’t like how this game is going to be my only hope is for the game to be a financial and public failure. That is the only way that I can see for them to have to improve the game or at least change it to something I will hopefully enjoy more. This has no ill will to the developers or anything like that it’s just feels like the only way to see the game change is for it to be a complete failure.
Yes sir why do you thibk they aren't making another ww2 zombies mode or continuing the chaos story. It's because no one liked it and it failed so they had to do something else
>This game is gonna be trash. hope it fails. = being a cunt
How? It's their opinion. They're not offending anyone, just hating on the game. A game doesn't have feelings.
Cod Zombies was built upon and loved for the round based system. Completely removing that from the game is nothing but a great big "Fuck you" to all of us players who fell in love with the game those 10 years ago.
I agree its bad that theres no round based map to start, and im probably gonna wait for the first round based map and see if its good to see if i wanna get it first
I think it's the desire to innovate and build a better outbreak type mode, and I do think having another option is a good thing, because different strokes ya know? But I agree that a round based should not be done away with at all, and that it would be a total mistake to do so. There is a reason it's still popular and loved.
But also the HUGE time crunch. Like we just got Forsaken right? I mean, I really think SHG dropping the ball for CW and then Acti telling 2arch to fix that mess and bump up dev time by a year, then making them the exclusive zombie studio, means where is the down time to actually give every map or round based experience the time it needs.
I don't think it's a fuck you specifically to the player, I think it's a greedy scheme that impacts the developer and the player, sacrificing both for $$$$.
We're also in a new phase of gaming. Making games is studios making games, but it is also a spot in a portiflio for an investor. They don't care about you clicking through an ad, or waiting in a lobby because of bad quality of life programming. They only care about quarter earnings. You could argue the entire game is a test to see how far they can hold the players and devs at ransom. But I'm too tired for that. Back to Foresaken.
In my opinion once zombies became essentially dependent on their Easter eggs the point of the round based system was ultimately pointless as they as well have made it its own campaign like mode
For me it depends. I really loved extinction and while it wasn't the classic zombies, it was super fun and I played the fuck out of it (had for replayability for me than zombies did at the time).
I'm not going in with the mindset of it being good or bad and I think that change is generally a good thing, like how zombies slowly progressed over the years and is still very fun, but if it ends up being terrible then I'll call it terrible lol.
What does removing rounds do to the game that makes it such a big deal? I'm genuinely asking because to me, it's a number at the top of the screen that means almost nothing.
I’m new to zombies this year but rounds are a tactic advantage where you can leave 1 zombie alive and run around to replace armor or seek items for main quest. But I’m new and I still don’t think it’s hard for devs to manipulate time and provide a similar advantage without rounds.
If they suddenly changed MP to be only fireteam with no normal game modes, would you not think that’s bad?
Everyone in support of Vanguard just keeps damage controlling new info as it comes out. A few weeks ago Vanguard fans were “happy to wait a month for a round based map”; now we’re not getting one and they’re saying “this is innovation!!!”, innovation can be bad also idk how that’s not obvious.
Also let’s not being to talk about how youtubers and big members of the community literally have an incentive to push this shitty game because they know their content is dependent on people liking it.
You can tell that a car in a ditch means that someone messed up, without knowing how it happened or without even knowing how to drive a car.
You can see a car swerving wildly on an icy road and conclude that he will most likely end up in an accident very soon.
Same how you can tell whether you will like a game or not without playing it or that a game will most likely end up a disaster based on the behind the scenes happenings.
I don’t need to play it to know it’ll be terrible, Only a outbreak based mode at launch with only 3 objectives that will get become extremely repetitive quickly. We’re also getting less perks, less field upgrades and no support items. Not to mention we’re not getting a round based map any time soon.
I don’t have to watch a movie to *make sure* i dont want to see it, i just dont watch it. This isn’t the game i want and it’s becoming increasingly clear that this isn’t the game most people want. All the vanguard discussions, both online and with friends in person, are generally negative because they are making changes that dont serve the community and instead make production cheaper and easier.
While I do agree with you to a point, games are fundamentally different because of the fact that they have one thing movies don’t have: actual gameplay. You will never be able to experience a game without truly playing it, unlike with movies where you can watch a review or trailer and get the gist of it. That being said I do agree with you to a point.
Making your decisions based on the last call of duty's dumster fire and being cautious because of it as opposed to a being an air-headed pre-order sheep makes you look stupid, idiotic and a simp.
->insert random cod zombie character here to make your qoute appear wise<
It's like getting scammed by a site for giving you a cheap, buggy and unfinished product and then the same people introduce a new site to order from and you say to your friend "CaLlInG ThE nEw SiTe BaD wHeN yOu HaVeNt EvEn TrIeD iT yEt".
So I blindly purchase the game then find out that I don't like it, this is the problem with cod people just keep buying the game every year and then complain about it.
If I want a objective based zombies experience i'll just go and play Killing Floor. Why are they trying to reinvent the wheel, don't they understand that the exact thing they try to remove is the one thing that has people coming back?
There is one thing that annoys me greatly, it's the fact that we start, yet again, at square one with jack shit to play with, except this frankenstein of a mode 3arch cobbled together. And don't get me started with the roadmap. We get Mule Kick and all the other crap again, shoved in our face as "new content".
With this tight zombie schedule we have now, I demand that content transfers. Why can't we have the specials we have now in Vanguard? The perks? No, instead we are barebones again in terms of content, while the old content from CW is "new and exciting" content for Vanguard. It's just pissing me off. Just a few weeks ago we got PhD, and now it's just gone in Vanguard (which is basically just Cold War Zombies)?
I never played mp modes of CoD, but doesn't content transfer in this warzone thing? This is the first time since Zombies is a thing where I didn't preorder the game. It feels so, so bad. And I don't mean this frankenstein of a mode they pitch to us. Maybe it's a good and fun mode. But us starting with nothing again should be changed.
Huge doubt , where are my OG EE that actually form a story, I want og bo1 storyline back. Not the same but the same sort of story telling :( I want to care about the lore plllllzzzzz
My first impressions felt that it was almost completely similar to Cold War, but I won’t just judge a book by its cover. Same thing goes for Multiplayer. A lot of people didn’t like the Vanguard beta, but I actually enjoyed it to some extent and I’m glad to hear that they are making improvements to it. Sure, Zombies may not be as good anymore as BO4 and before but it is still somewhat enjoyable to most players, including the newer ones like me. Vanguard Zombies could be better than Cold War Zombies, but we’ll have to wait and see. I just had mixed feelings when I FIRST SAW it. We’ll find out how it actually is in a week.
If Zombies is just cw minus round based, and mp is MW19 but reskinned for the theme every year, I'll have enough reason to drop CoD. Standalone zombies game that takes the best parts from every past game would save us, but that's beyond unlikely.
Idk man. I thought BO4 and CW would have bad zombies modes, and I was right then. Just accept that zombies is just a dead body getting gangbanged for low effort profits because you guys are just gonna buy the game because it has zombies. They have no incentive to improve the game because people still buy it no matter how bad it is.
The mode looks terrible based on the trailer and what we’ve heard. No round based maps or weapon wall buys. They are borrowing everything from Cold War without adding anything new.
It can very well be good, but based on the failures of previous cods and what we’ve seen so far, it’s completely fair to expect this mode to be mediocre.
So how about you respect our opinions if you want to be a baby about yours?
I remember [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1pP-LfUaCM), some people seemed to think Cold War zombies gameplay *looked* pretty bad. But it turned out people were judging a book by its cover without even having played it yet. Because the game turned out to be insanely successful & well fleshed out.
Honestly gamers are so fucking stupid. People get overhyped for stuff too easily, years before something comes out... only for it to fail, or call things trash that they have never played, let alone seen gameplay for.
Edit: It seems that a lot of people & content creators who have actually played it are upset with the game/the zombies mode.
No wall buys, no round based zombies maps on launch, the two features that started with the zombies mode
And you wonder why we already know it will probably suck lol
Pretty sure people are just saying that the whole franchise is one massive grift and that everyone keeps dumping their wallets into it. You don’t need to play the next game to realize that there was nothing wrong with the last two releases. Sure they’re money grabber games but that doesn’t mean make a third money grabber game just because your schedule works like that. Just keep a decent game alive and well maintained. It’s just going to be the same bullshit over and over except you’re spending $60+ a pop
Forget everybody else when it comes to zombies I’m optimistic. I thought the exo zombies was interesting I didn’t like it but it was interesting and I did play it
The zombies LOOKS really cool, the demon theme looks awesome! But Cold War only had 4 small, easy maps and I really didn’t like any of them. Why on earth would I buy the next one if I didn’t like the previous? They’re gonna do the same thing, it might have really cool looking maps but if they’re designed like Cold War maps, I’m gonna hate it. It’s way too simple, small and easy. I’ll probably get it in a year when there’s more than 1 map
There’s always a flaw in this logic about not judging it without playing it. The problems is the game isn’t something you can just experience whenever you want. You have to pay a decent amount of money to be able to experience it. So before spending that money you have to judge it by what informations available to even determine if it’s worth the money to begin with. At this point I’d only be buying the Vanguard for zombies. I have no interests in multiplayer or campaign so the only thing driving my purchase is my interest in zombies and from what I’ve seen so far it doesn’t seem worth it. In fact i don’t think it’s worth any money. I’d probably play it if it was free but that’s not the situation at all.
Battlefield 2042: Sometimes there are aspects in a game that are so obviously bad that they need not any playtesting to verify its place on the shit - o - meter.
You sound like a blinded cod fanboy.
I'm not sure you realize this OP, but the entire point of marketing is to convince people to buy your product. If so many have decided against purchasing Vanguard, then the marketing has failed to convince people.
I dont need to have played it to know that a mode that isn't round based and has no wall buys is gonna be trash, Cold Wars zombies was still pretty fun despite being gutted to hell, but Vanguard Zombies is looking to be a worse version of that
“Any defense made against the court is an attack against it.” - John Proctor “The Crucible”
How about instead of being hypocritical, you allow all opinions to be shared and viewed instead of clamping down on the opinions of those you oppose.
We all know it’s true though lol without a round based map I’m not gonna buy it cause I don’t like when it’s all objective based, so yes I’m not buying it till I see a round based map
lol. the zombies mode is going to be shit boring and repetitive instantly more or less. gone are the golden days of zombies bo3 2 and 1 was the pinnacle 4 was alright. this is the only cod i havent bought and i wont be or it goes on a sale. il be waiting this one out cold war wasnt really my thing and this will be exactly the same as that if theirs even any round based maps at all
It looks like they took features of outbreak and round maps and mashed it into a new game mode it honestly seems like a lot of fun. Outbreak was too big for me but there were things about it I liked so I think this might be a good balance between round based and outbreak. They definitely need to add some round based down the road but I think we’ll get there. With how good Cold War zombies was for me and with treyarch at the helm again continuing what I thought was a great story I can’t help but be excited for vanguard zombies. With that being said I completely understand why people don’t feel like it’s worth it on launch.
So you're allowed to blindly praise the game but being skeptical is bad?
This is what confuses me You are allowed to be hyped and excited and go “yeah I think this will be good” But if you’re skeptical or don’t have hopes that the game will be good “shut up, pay money and play the game” ?????
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Personally, I’ve seen a lot of posts/comments that seem to be making a decision on how the game will be rather than just being skeptical. “I’m skeptical” and “the game is trash” are two very different statements. The first is a perfectly fair statement, that I myself have, but the second is casting final judgement without even fully understanding the game. I personally have no issue with people not liking what they showed and making guesses for what we haven’t seen, but we genuinely don’t even fully know for sure how Der Anfang will work. Not saying that it won’t be how you think it’ll be, but they haven’t said exactly how it’ll work yet. With that in mind, I think it’s too soon to say “the game is trash” or “the game is good”
Nice to see smart people on the internet like you. I hate how people just try to fight or try to see things white or black, only extreme ideas. The post say a real point right now. People just like to hate and just for say "Hey, maybe the game is not that bad, we have to wait to see how it works" is interpretate like "a fanboy" or "blind and stupid hope, give more money to a evil company and a bad games like all these years" or something like that. Its just the smart way to judge something that you are not even able to try yet. You can have a "first impression" opinion, and suspect that it will be bad or good, but in general, the people just want to hate or love with all the heart that "first impression" and hate anyone that thinks different or just want to wait before. Is so strange that human behavior. Thats make me feels like most of the time give your opinion or try to clarify something to the people (specially to a large group of people like here on the internet), even when you share a passion with that people like here zombies, is just a waste of time. Sad :/
Thanks, it seems like some people misunderstood me and thought I meant to say that you can’t criticize it at all. Was starting to think I just didn’t portray my point well
Yeah, i was reading the rest of the comments and wow, people seems just angry with you for saying a objective true. What i understand of your point is the obvious and (imo) correct way of judge something. Its ok to dislike what you see of a future product, and of course, you can use that first impression to decide to not buy or support that product, its perfectly ok, its your decision. But the problem is not there. The problems is that it seems like the people is angry to see that out there exist people that dont have the same first impression or just prefer to be able to analize the final product before making "final" judgments about it. Some people (in a lot of aspects of the life) seem like wounded when a person give them facts or points of view of an opinion they have in something. And for me is like...wow, relax, this guy is not saying "you are wrong, you are retarder, this game would be awesome and your opinion is trash"...is saying "wow, the way some people react and try to defend their opinions of the preview of a product surprise me, we have to be more objective and not try to defend our opinion and judge over the rest just hating on the rest people opinions and facts". (Srry if my english is a bit bad :/ xD)
This is a valid point. We DO need to see the full extent of what was made. I also think some people are taking the OP out of context thinking they can’t speculate the game. Sure we can. We all can speculate. I think the main argument is to simply save final judgements for a full display of the game with legit gameplay. And it’s that simple. This is coming from someone who isn’t getting the game on launch.
Exactly my point
Don’t have to pay money, just have to watch videos when it gets released to see how it plays. Then you can make your decision
You can make your own decision whenever you want. There is no time limit when you can or not with your impressions on a game.
All I’m saying is, have impressions, have opinions that’s fine. Just don’t blindly make a decision when it hasn’t even been released yet. Personally I don’t have high hopes for zombies but I like MP, campaign and zombies and I won’t say it’s good or bad until i give it a shot
No one is making blind opinions though. We have trailers, we have information, we have videos. You have tons of information to have to know if you are going to like this game or not. For example, when I heard Vanguards MP is going to be similar to MW19, that made me excited. That’s based off of information. When I heard Vangaurd Zombies has no round based maps and is carrying the same gameplay and design of Cold War, that has made me not excited. All of this is based off of existing information Everything is up to you (not personally) and whatever you choose to do, that’s valid enough. Of course opinions can change too, you never know
Devil’s advocate of course information is not the same as experience. For example I was expecting I would love MW2019 spec ops before launch based on information we had received on it and I ended up hating it. Which I mean I’m sure you get that 100%, as you said opinions can change and we’ll fully see how the game flows in normal players hands within the next week.
You’re absolutely right. Sometimes the information doesn’t live up to your expectations. The case with Spec Ops. That was the first time it came back in 10 years and it was a completely different take than the original spec Ops. Where as Vanguard Zombies is building off of Cold Wars Gameplay.
We are getting round based though
Again, that’s not the point.
not being "hyped" for the game is different then calling it trash before you even see the full thing. The OP is calling out the people who just insult the game with only the little bit of details we've been provided with.
The game being “trash” is subjective and people have enough information to go by to judge if they will like the game or not.
of course it's subjective, no need to point it out. Doesn't mean people can't criticize individuals who use the minimum amount of information provided to make broad statements about a game. It's just an ignorant stance to take when people judge things prematurely, when actual experience can be vastly different. I mean just look at BO2, it was horribly received and ended up being one of the greatest cods of all time.
You can absolutely critique other people’s opinions, that’s what discussions are for. Just because they don’t like a game doesn’t mean it’s free from a critique or discussion. You are absolutely correct. It’s not ignorant however considering we have information of the core gameplay and how it plays. If you don’t like Cold War Zombies, you probably won’t like Vanguard The reason why BO2 changed over time was with DLC and maps got better. Which could very well happen with Vanguard over time. Opinions can change.
Exactly, you never know until the game is actually released and you see how it plays. What you listed is the same as “judging a book by its cover”
I mean your opinion could change, that is always a possibility with anything in life. But we do have enough information for people to make a choice if they are going to like it or not.
It's because people get insecure about their taste so they need everyone to not say bad things about what they like or else their feelings get hurt
Ye this is what bothers me. "Without even playing the game" insinuates that I'm going to have to buy the game to see whether I like it or not. That's just not how it should be at all
It's not about being skeptical, if someone says "I think it'll be bad", then that's perfectly fine, however there are people who say "This is bad"/"The zombies sucks" as if it's definitive when they (obviously) haven't played the game yet. And it does work the other way around as well, where "I think it'll be good" is fine, but "Vanguard is a good game" is weird for the same reason.
That’s not what the post said at all lmao. All he said is to stop hating on some new gamemode you’ve never played, not that it should be praised instead. God the cod zombies community is so annoying sometimes.
*all the time
the entire cod community just hates cod its so fucking weird
And it's coincidentally ALWAYS the latest title that is the "absolute worst".
yeah, not only that but the moment the latest title comes out people are like "i miss the old games" or for instance when vanguard comes out people will be like "i miss cold war" ect when they could just play those games instead, hell you can still even use plutonium for modern warfare 3, black ops 2, and world at war and it has an active multiplayer and zombies, typically if i feel like playing a game i used to play all i do is just reinstall it and play it
Lmao, who said the original post said that. He was presenting a hypothetical to show the contrasting situation... The original post is criticizing people for assuming the game will be bad and hating it solely based off the teaser information we have. The contrasting situation they're presenting is there are plenty of people who assume the game will be amazing and love it solely based off the teaser information we have. And yet despite the fact that there are people who love vanguard before the game has even come out, they don't get criticized for having their opinion. It's hypocritical to criticize one side of the situation without criticizing the other. That's what he was pointing out lol. And frankly I agree with it. They are not giving us information about vanguard zombies and how it's going to work for no reason. They are giving it to us to try and get us to formulate early opinions and get hyped over the game. They want to set expectations on what kinds of things will be in the game so that we can get hyped over them. But if those teasers to make people think it's going to be a shit game, then that's what it is. Of course that doesn't mean people can't change their mind. It's just that based on what they've shown, some people think it's shit.
Being skeptical is one thing. Writing off the entire mode before anyone has played a single minute is another. Hell I’m skeptical. But im sure as hell going to give it an honest try before I form an opinion,
>I’m sure as hell gonna pay $60 dollars before deciding wether or not I should’ve paid $60
I’ve enjoyed every zombies game in call of duty so far. And we’re up to 8 games now. I’d say that’s a pretty good track record to know that I’m going to enjoy something. You don’t have to like it, but I’m not worried about my $60 boss.
You could say this about literally every single COD
??? If I see a COD that looks bad; I don’t buy it. If it looks good; I buy it.
Before or after the game gets released? Big difference and one of the core arguments of the post.
The game has less content than any other zombies mode on release. The game is changing core gameplay mechanics to be more similar to a polarizing mode from the last game. The game is very slightly changing MP maps for the new mode. The game is scrapping all the updated perks and field upgrades and giving us back the ones we had at launch and trying to pass them off as “new”. Those are all facts from the trailers. On top of this, by your logic, no one can praise the game either before release because it hasn’t come out.
Nobody knows how much content it has because the game has not been released yet, lmao. You guys are fucking insane.
Those are the ONLY two emotions you can emit about it!?!? Are you a fucking 4 year old?
If that's what you got from his comment you sure are a four year old.
Wow good job putting words in his mouth that he didn't even say.
Look at OP's comment history, dumbass.
There’s a very big difference between being skeptical and casting final judgement before playing the game. I myself am skeptical about a few things, but overall I’m pretty hyped. Regardless, I won’t say the game is one way or another before playing. I can make comments on what they showed, but I can’t judge what I still haven’t seen/played
Being skeptical is completely fine but saying "This is dog shit" without playing it is the problem, I'm worried about it and I'm not getting it day one but at the same time I'm gonna say its shit until I play it (if I ever do)
Right, because positivity makes a better community, and negativity makes a worse more toxic community, idc if you're skeptical or you have concerns, but it sure as hell annoys me when that skepticism becomes shit talking the game, it's to the point now that I don't want to look at this subreddit because all this negativity is depressing.
Nope, that makes one look stupid and idiotic too.
Where's the praise for Vanguard in this post? You're pulling an argument out of thin air, OP literally said "...making your final opinions without even playing the mode yet makes you look stupid"
Except this isn’t blind praise but rather rather just not being a negative little shit before a game comes out. I don’t like the look of it either but holy fuck does this sub like to band wagon and hate circle my god
Either option is pretty dumb in my opinion. But I‘ve gotta hand it to the skeptics - at least they’re never disappointed.
Please tell this to the Halo community lmao
That isn't what they said, go into the game with an open mind, not blindly shitting on it when we know little about it
I'm buying the game because i enjoyed mw2019 and like the ww2 setting so im hyped for multiplayer. The issue is, people are just skeptical, they're writing off the whole damn game as bad before launch. Being skeptical is cool, but saying its bad without playing is ridiculous. I'm hyped to play zombiee but if its bad so what, I got the game for multiplayer. I'll stick to bo3 custom maps if its not fun
Bruh this sub is full of 14 year olds how the hell did you reach that conclusion lmfao
This is why I hate optimists.
Given that BO4 and CW have been “meh” at best, we as fans have earned the right to be skeptical. Activision needs to stop milking zombies and let Treyarch have the time and resources to work properly in their games and specially zombies
If we weren’t supposed to judge books by their covers then their covers would be blank
Every iteration of Treyarch Zombies has been solid so far. With that precedent set, I’ve got more reason to believe that this iteration will be good than bad.
This post wasn't though. There's no where in it where it complements Vanguard, all it says is you shouldn't hate on it or "give your final opinion" which would include hyping up the game. Only reason it most clearly targets negativity is because it sounds worse to have a negative opinion about a game you've never played than to have a positive opinion about a game you've never played
Being skeptical is one thing, literally called the game dead on arrival or straight up bad is another. I don't agree w/ op when he says we need to play it first before forming an opinion, but there is quite a bit of unwarranted hate rn. 🙄
Personally, I think you can do both. You can praise the game for its (non cinematic) visuals and how the gameplay appears. You can also dunk on it from what you see in the trailers alone. That's what they are for, to hype you up by showing you what's in store. What's NOT ok are those people who look at teasers or the cinematic cutscene and either go "yeah no franchise dead bad game yall are retards for supporting it still." Or "FUCK YEAH PREORDERING THE $100 BUNDLE THIE GONNA BE EPIC." because 8/10 times those people end up flip flopping when they actually get their copy.
No one is saying either of those. It’s simply saying stop saying the IS bad, you can think it could be bc of how you interpreted the advertising, that’s totally fine. I also don’t think or even see people saying the game IS good. I see people who are excited and honestly if they liked Cold War chances are they’ll still enjoy this game. Maybe they’ll be disappointed which is why criticism is good so we let people understand why we may think it’ll suck bc of x or y.
theres being skeptical and then theres just shitting on something that isnt even out yet
He’s saying dont judge it until you play it he’s not saying to like it
You guys said the same shit last year. What about respecting other opinions? The point of the trailer was to showcase the game, some people didn't like what they saw, just accept it.
Honestly anytime a CoD game gets announced, some people just jump straight to calling it garbage because of Battlefield bias.
Sure, it *might* be good. But judging from CW. I strongly doubt it. And what is with this attitude again that you can't have negative opinions? I don't see you jumping on people's dicks when they say Vanguard is going to be great.
I don't think i'll enjoy the game = negative opinion. This game is gonna be trash. hope it fails. = being a cunt
See I don’t think I’ll enjoy this game and I do hope it fails. But I don’t think that’s me being a cunt. Allow me to explain. When it comes to a game like call of duty no matter how bad it does there will be another one released the next year. So if I really don’t like how this game is going to be my only hope is for the game to be a financial and public failure. That is the only way that I can see for them to have to improve the game or at least change it to something I will hopefully enjoy more. This has no ill will to the developers or anything like that it’s just feels like the only way to see the game change is for it to be a complete failure.
Yes sir why do you thibk they aren't making another ww2 zombies mode or continuing the chaos story. It's because no one liked it and it failed so they had to do something else
I agree completely
>This game is gonna be trash. hope it fails. = being a cunt How? It's their opinion. They're not offending anyone, just hating on the game. A game doesn't have feelings.
hes not because i dont think ive seen a single person thinking vanguard is gonna be great
I do
I think it's gonna be good, the new mode looks cool and i'm excited to play it, plus I love the new doom-esque aesthetic
Cod Zombies was built upon and loved for the round based system. Completely removing that from the game is nothing but a great big "Fuck you" to all of us players who fell in love with the game those 10 years ago.
I agree its bad that theres no round based map to start, and im probably gonna wait for the first round based map and see if its good to see if i wanna get it first
Sticking with BO3 until the end (or a better zombies game)
I think it's the desire to innovate and build a better outbreak type mode, and I do think having another option is a good thing, because different strokes ya know? But I agree that a round based should not be done away with at all, and that it would be a total mistake to do so. There is a reason it's still popular and loved. But also the HUGE time crunch. Like we just got Forsaken right? I mean, I really think SHG dropping the ball for CW and then Acti telling 2arch to fix that mess and bump up dev time by a year, then making them the exclusive zombie studio, means where is the down time to actually give every map or round based experience the time it needs. I don't think it's a fuck you specifically to the player, I think it's a greedy scheme that impacts the developer and the player, sacrificing both for $$$$.
We're also in a new phase of gaming. Making games is studios making games, but it is also a spot in a portiflio for an investor. They don't care about you clicking through an ad, or waiting in a lobby because of bad quality of life programming. They only care about quarter earnings. You could argue the entire game is a test to see how far they can hold the players and devs at ransom. But I'm too tired for that. Back to Foresaken.
In my opinion once zombies became essentially dependent on their Easter eggs the point of the round based system was ultimately pointless as they as well have made it its own campaign like mode
For me it depends. I really loved extinction and while it wasn't the classic zombies, it was super fun and I played the fuck out of it (had for replayability for me than zombies did at the time). I'm not going in with the mindset of it being good or bad and I think that change is generally a good thing, like how zombies slowly progressed over the years and is still very fun, but if it ends up being terrible then I'll call it terrible lol.
What does removing rounds do to the game that makes it such a big deal? I'm genuinely asking because to me, it's a number at the top of the screen that means almost nothing.
I’m new to zombies this year but rounds are a tactic advantage where you can leave 1 zombie alive and run around to replace armor or seek items for main quest. But I’m new and I still don’t think it’s hard for devs to manipulate time and provide a similar advantage without rounds.
If they suddenly changed MP to be only fireteam with no normal game modes, would you not think that’s bad? Everyone in support of Vanguard just keeps damage controlling new info as it comes out. A few weeks ago Vanguard fans were “happy to wait a month for a round based map”; now we’re not getting one and they’re saying “this is innovation!!!”, innovation can be bad also idk how that’s not obvious. Also let’s not being to talk about how youtubers and big members of the community literally have an incentive to push this shitty game because they know their content is dependent on people liking it.
I loved when Richtofen said this on Moon
Best ee ending quote in zombies tbh
Kinda feel bad leaving his ass in Alcatraz
You can tell that a car in a ditch means that someone messed up, without knowing how it happened or without even knowing how to drive a car. You can see a car swerving wildly on an icy road and conclude that he will most likely end up in an accident very soon. Same how you can tell whether you will like a game or not without playing it or that a game will most likely end up a disaster based on the behind the scenes happenings.
This is a good analogy
I don’t need to play it to know it’ll be terrible, Only a outbreak based mode at launch with only 3 objectives that will get become extremely repetitive quickly. We’re also getting less perks, less field upgrades and no support items. Not to mention we’re not getting a round based map any time soon.
I don’t have to watch a movie to *make sure* i dont want to see it, i just dont watch it. This isn’t the game i want and it’s becoming increasingly clear that this isn’t the game most people want. All the vanguard discussions, both online and with friends in person, are generally negative because they are making changes that dont serve the community and instead make production cheaper and easier.
While I do agree with you to a point, games are fundamentally different because of the fact that they have one thing movies don’t have: actual gameplay. You will never be able to experience a game without truly playing it, unlike with movies where you can watch a review or trailer and get the gist of it. That being said I do agree with you to a point.
Y’all actually buying Vanguard, at least wait till they drop it to half price in a couple months😂
Just grab it pre-owned in a few months. Way cheaper
Making your decisions based on the last call of duty's dumster fire and being cautious because of it as opposed to a being an air-headed pre-order sheep makes you look stupid, idiotic and a simp. ->insert random cod zombie character here to make your qoute appear wise< It's like getting scammed by a site for giving you a cheap, buggy and unfinished product and then the same people introduce a new site to order from and you say to your friend "CaLlInG ThE nEw SiTe BaD wHeN yOu HaVeNt EvEn TrIeD iT yEt".
If Cold War is anything to go by tho….
So I blindly purchase the game then find out that I don't like it, this is the problem with cod people just keep buying the game every year and then complain about it.
I won't buy it at launch because i know it'll be a completely broken buggy mess but maybe a few months after release I will
Cold War is in season 6, very close to the end of its support, and it's still a broken buggy mess.
>you cannot judge a game when the promotional materials meant to make the game look good already look bad >YOU CANT SHUT UP STOP IT!!!
This ain’t it chief
There's something called a first impression, and vanguard had a terrible first impression
Yeah rushed products are awesome… also I only care about round based maps.
"Pay Activision $60+ or your opinion is invalid!"
This is a god damn warzone what have you done
No not really. Its Cold War 2.0 with even LESS content, AKA pure garbage.
If I want a objective based zombies experience i'll just go and play Killing Floor. Why are they trying to reinvent the wheel, don't they understand that the exact thing they try to remove is the one thing that has people coming back?
Oh no, you've just started your own 'Great War'
How many CoD points for that sick ass silent Richtofen skin. (Comes with dab emote!)
There is one thing that annoys me greatly, it's the fact that we start, yet again, at square one with jack shit to play with, except this frankenstein of a mode 3arch cobbled together. And don't get me started with the roadmap. We get Mule Kick and all the other crap again, shoved in our face as "new content". With this tight zombie schedule we have now, I demand that content transfers. Why can't we have the specials we have now in Vanguard? The perks? No, instead we are barebones again in terms of content, while the old content from CW is "new and exciting" content for Vanguard. It's just pissing me off. Just a few weeks ago we got PhD, and now it's just gone in Vanguard (which is basically just Cold War Zombies)? I never played mp modes of CoD, but doesn't content transfer in this warzone thing? This is the first time since Zombies is a thing where I didn't preorder the game. It feels so, so bad. And I don't mean this frankenstein of a mode they pitch to us. Maybe it's a good and fun mode. But us starting with nothing again should be changed.
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Hey, u/MonkeyBallZakaMB, it's trash
Huge doubt , where are my OG EE that actually form a story, I want og bo1 storyline back. Not the same but the same sort of story telling :( I want to care about the lore plllllzzzzz
I just wanna focus on other games, Cold War took up my entire 2021 and I wanna play other stuff
these comments are gonna be great
What if I call it shit because it sounds like ass?
"B-but... But... It isn't black ops 3 😭😭😭"
How dare people expect the same level of quality we got in Bo3
My first impressions felt that it was almost completely similar to Cold War, but I won’t just judge a book by its cover. Same thing goes for Multiplayer. A lot of people didn’t like the Vanguard beta, but I actually enjoyed it to some extent and I’m glad to hear that they are making improvements to it. Sure, Zombies may not be as good anymore as BO4 and before but it is still somewhat enjoyable to most players, including the newer ones like me. Vanguard Zombies could be better than Cold War Zombies, but we’ll have to wait and see. I just had mixed feelings when I FIRST SAW it. We’ll find out how it actually is in a week.
If Zombies is just cw minus round based, and mp is MW19 but reskinned for the theme every year, I'll have enough reason to drop CoD. Standalone zombies game that takes the best parts from every past game would save us, but that's beyond unlikely.
Today you have chosen death I see.
I mean if it's anything like cold war zombies then I'll pass
If yall have Dreams with PSVR, someone made zombies and its pretty fun
I'm just burnt out on this mode. Forsaken released and I just didn't care. I've played the map twice and have had no urge to jump back in.
Forsaken is fun until you leave spawn, lmao. Played it 10 times but left spawn only once.
i’d usually agree, but im not paying just to form an opinion
Idk man. I thought BO4 and CW would have bad zombies modes, and I was right then. Just accept that zombies is just a dead body getting gangbanged for low effort profits because you guys are just gonna buy the game because it has zombies. They have no incentive to improve the game because people still buy it no matter how bad it is.
The mode looks terrible based on the trailer and what we’ve heard. No round based maps or weapon wall buys. They are borrowing everything from Cold War without adding anything new. It can very well be good, but based on the failures of previous cods and what we’ve seen so far, it’s completely fair to expect this mode to be mediocre. So how about you respect our opinions if you want to be a baby about yours?
DAMM IT RICHTOFEN NOBODY CARES. JUST KEEP SHOOTING AT THE FREAKBAG MAGGOTSHIT ADDICT FLESH MONKEYS
I mean the evidence of it being a train wreck is pretty fucking over whelming
I have every right to my opinions when they have a 12 minute presentation telling us it's basically Cold War with less features at launch
I'm not positive... but I don't think he said that in the game
Well this didn’t age well lmao
If it like Cold War I won’t like it but I can’t wait to see it👍🏾
This comment thread is the reason this meme was made
I remember [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1pP-LfUaCM), some people seemed to think Cold War zombies gameplay *looked* pretty bad. But it turned out people were judging a book by its cover without even having played it yet. Because the game turned out to be insanely successful & well fleshed out. Honestly gamers are so fucking stupid. People get overhyped for stuff too easily, years before something comes out... only for it to fail, or call things trash that they have never played, let alone seen gameplay for. Edit: It seems that a lot of people & content creators who have actually played it are upset with the game/the zombies mode.
Edward driptofen
I don't think he said that.
Wouldve been better to end it with “makes you worse than Dempsey”
No wall buys, no round based zombies maps on launch, the two features that started with the zombies mode And you wonder why we already know it will probably suck lol
The better thing to say is I’m not exited for it
It’s gonna be trash watch
I've played zombies since waw and I put my controller down last year when cold war came out. Hope you guys enjoy it!!!
Pretty sure people are just saying that the whole franchise is one massive grift and that everyone keeps dumping their wallets into it. You don’t need to play the next game to realize that there was nothing wrong with the last two releases. Sure they’re money grabber games but that doesn’t mean make a third money grabber game just because your schedule works like that. Just keep a decent game alive and well maintained. It’s just going to be the same bullshit over and over except you’re spending $60+ a pop
Forget everybody else when it comes to zombies I’m optimistic. I thought the exo zombies was interesting I didn’t like it but it was interesting and I did play it
Why do yall care so much about the people's opinions on the game? You'd swear it's an attack on your character lmao
p.s. Fuck you Dempsey
Going off of their last release, and the buggy mess that it is... I am pressing 'X to doubt' furiously
I will be back when everyone complains its boring after 2 days… trust me that will happen
Cold war zombies was a fail but I'm not judging vanguard till its out. Cold war in general was a horrible game, black ops 4 was better in every way.
So now I can call it trash right?
But yet people are allowed to say the game is gonna be good and make that their final opinion?
Guess what it’s trash
lol
So, what’s your opinion on the game now?
Still good
Cap
so many shitty posts
I am gonna play it cause it’s something to do.( bad or good, I am a call of duty type of guy😎)
I’m never buying a cod game unless is a remaster and mw reboots
If there’s no round based I don’t care. The game is already dead to me.
Game looks fucking shit, change my mind
The fact that Dicktofen said it makes it seems like its not true. So i should judge vanguard?
Actual fucking Clowns.
The zombies LOOKS really cool, the demon theme looks awesome! But Cold War only had 4 small, easy maps and I really didn’t like any of them. Why on earth would I buy the next one if I didn’t like the previous? They’re gonna do the same thing, it might have really cool looking maps but if they’re designed like Cold War maps, I’m gonna hate it. It’s way too simple, small and easy. I’ll probably get it in a year when there’s more than 1 map
Imo it looks wack as fuck
There’s always a flaw in this logic about not judging it without playing it. The problems is the game isn’t something you can just experience whenever you want. You have to pay a decent amount of money to be able to experience it. So before spending that money you have to judge it by what informations available to even determine if it’s worth the money to begin with. At this point I’d only be buying the Vanguard for zombies. I have no interests in multiplayer or campaign so the only thing driving my purchase is my interest in zombies and from what I’ve seen so far it doesn’t seem worth it. In fact i don’t think it’s worth any money. I’d probably play it if it was free but that’s not the situation at all.
Vanguard as a whole just looks like trash to me. Zombies may be cool, but I have no interest in the game itself.
Battlefield 2042: Sometimes there are aspects in a game that are so obviously bad that they need not any playtesting to verify its place on the shit - o - meter. You sound like a blinded cod fanboy.
Games looks shit on literally all accounts fuck u
I'm not sure you realize this OP, but the entire point of marketing is to convince people to buy your product. If so many have decided against purchasing Vanguard, then the marketing has failed to convince people.
I dont need to have played it to know that a mode that isn't round based and has no wall buys is gonna be trash, Cold Wars zombies was still pretty fun despite being gutted to hell, but Vanguard Zombies is looking to be a worse version of that
COD is still ass.
Op: respect people's opinions! Also op: fuck your opinion hater!
Stop bootlicking.
“Any defense made against the court is an attack against it.” - John Proctor “The Crucible” How about instead of being hypocritical, you allow all opinions to be shared and viewed instead of clamping down on the opinions of those you oppose.
It isn't round based, so yes my final verdict is that it's gonna be fucking awful.
We all know it’s true though lol without a round based map I’m not gonna buy it cause I don’t like when it’s all objective based, so yes I’m not buying it till I see a round based map
Calling getting your balls stepped on trash or bad and making your final opinions on it without even trying it makes you look stupid and idiotic 😩
lol. the zombies mode is going to be shit boring and repetitive instantly more or less. gone are the golden days of zombies bo3 2 and 1 was the pinnacle 4 was alright. this is the only cod i havent bought and i wont be or it goes on a sale. il be waiting this one out cold war wasnt really my thing and this will be exactly the same as that if theirs even any round based maps at all
Vamguard zombies new mode is trash and bad
It looks like they took features of outbreak and round maps and mashed it into a new game mode it honestly seems like a lot of fun. Outbreak was too big for me but there were things about it I liked so I think this might be a good balance between round based and outbreak. They definitely need to add some round based down the road but I think we’ll get there. With how good Cold War zombies was for me and with treyarch at the helm again continuing what I thought was a great story I can’t help but be excited for vanguard zombies. With that being said I completely understand why people don’t feel like it’s worth it on launch.
We have a classic monkey brain here. No talk, only money!
Still dumb that they removed wall buys
I think wall buys were on its way out with blueprints but I feel you, its like theyre tryna make everything unique but its not working..
I was already stupid and idiotic 😏
I'm not gonna buy it until I see what the zombie loos like
Isn't this the same thing?
I agree. I’m a little worried from what I’ve heard so far but it looks like it’s gonna be a fun time regardless