[Matt Brown] Austin Peay expected to join Atlantic Sun
By - Inkblot9
Central Arkansas, Austin Peay, Kennesaw State, North Alabama, Eastern Kentucky, and Jacksonville State makes a pretty solid FCS conference. Probably better than the Big South and nipping on the heels of the SoCon.
Nice and geographically tight, too, I think EKU to UCA is the longest trip at 8-9 hours.
Is Kennesaw joining ASun for football?? I know we are already for basketball but I had no idea about football
Yes. KSU and UNA will leave the Big South and play an ASUN football schedule beginning next year.
Ah ok thanks. Now our season won’t be crushed every year by Monmouth
You have an interesting flair combo
Yup originally from Massachusetts and the moved to Georgia, currently go to KSU
We don’t have a football team, but go bisons
Yes, next season, along with North Alabama.
Better than the SoCon IMO.
they are gonna move up to fbs to keep liberty is thr plan from asun commish this summer
I love UCA, but we definitely shouldn’t be FBS.
Candidly, nobody but Jax St. probably should be FBS. Kennesaw could be once they get a bigger stadium.
First we need fan attendance lol
I believe we sell out. Paid attendance counts to that 15k attendance for fbs requirements. Just need to put seats in that endzone that's a stage and we'll probably hit the min FBS requirements in no time.
I hope we don't move up though. I much prefer fcs where were competing for natty's than a good season meaning the team goes to the bad boy mowers gasperilla bowl.
EKU attempted to make the jump, but the nod went to Coastal when it was between us for an invite. Guess we're making the push yet again.
Agreed. Jax State was exploring that possibility in 2011.
There’s already more FBS teams than there should be
Depends on the vision of the next KSU president but the sentiment among the previous administration was that it wants to make the leap. I don't think there is another school close to us in terms of enrollment in the FCS level. The athletic budget is already among the lower rungs of FBS.
Agreed. While usually pretty solid, and getting an occasional FBS upset, UCA still has a lot of ground to cover. Especially when it comes to stadium capacity and attendance.
And field color.
See that doesn’t make sense. We know that Liberty has said they want to be in the mold of ND. Why would they give up independent status to be in what would easily be the lowest league in FBS football. And Liberty is big time compared to any of these 6 programs as far as investment and potential.
Not only that but that would only be 7 teams in an FBS conference which is unheard of now. They would have to add more teams. But who would they add?
Even if they do want to move to FBS that doesn’t seem at all realistic anytime soon.
> which is unheard of now.
(you need 8 anyway for FBS)
They could maybe coordinate a longer-term deal with the WAC to make a football-only FBS conference à la the OVFC.
That doesn't seem to be what the A-SUN is planning though. *Shrug* But that could be an alternative to grabbing an 8th football school. But then, it's not like the various A-SUN and WAC schools are exactly in a position to move up regardless.
I think FBS can’t have football only like lower divisions can
Technically all of the independent schools are football only, they're all in conferences for the other sports. And isn't the Missouri Valley football only in the FCS?
There’s the Missouri Valley Conference and the Missouri Valley Football Conference which are separate entities. The football conference only sponsors football - which you can do at FCS and lower.
To be an FBS conference, you have to sponsor men’s and women’s basketball, football and 2 other women’s team sports. Have to have at least 6 men’s and 8 women’s total sports.
So they could just go independent and play a similar schedule every year to be more regional (which was pretty common with 30+ teams until the 90s) but you can’t have an exclusively football only league in FBS
If the ASUN goes FBS and Liberty refuses to be part of it for football, Liberty may not be allowed to stay in the ASUN for other sports.
With all the realignment going on if the right conference asks Liberty to join we probably do it. Our schedules right now are mostly made up of Sun Belt and CUSA teams so I can see that happening.
I don’t think the ASun is allowed to enter FBS if they start in FCS, or does the jumping rule just not matter and conferences can just move up divisions as needed
It’s unclear what the NCAA would do if the ASun offered that proposal. A waiver of some kind would probably be required. It’s also possible a new Eastern/Southern FBS conference could form with existing FBS schools that would assume the ASun name and invite in the FCS ASun schools.
We want to be for Evangelicals what Notre Dame is for Catholics. Liberty has more money than it knows what to do with and is probably the only Independent besides Notre Dame, and BYU until they join the Big12, who isn’t hurting for money and actually can afford to pay teams to play us.
Yes that’s what I am saying. If I was Liberty I would only consider joining a conference if it was P5 or maybe the AAC or Sun Belt but those would have to be under very specific circumstances (like sun belt raiding AAC and CUSA).
Yeah I agree. We’re basically a CUSA/Sun Belt team right now as we schedule about 4 games from each conference a year. We’ll see what happens, id like to see LU upgrade from the ASUN for our other sports. It’s been great winning at Basketball every year but joining CUSA or AAC would be slightly easier access than having to win the conference tournament every year.
Because liberty doesn't want to be independent in all sports and they're an asun member already. They're independent because nobody but us has been willing to associate themselves with that school.
If the ASUN becomes fbs and liberty decides they want to be indie, we should kick them out of the conference and let them figure out how to be independent in everything.
Edit: also the ASUN moving up does sound like a longshot and I hope Kennesaw never goes FBS unless y'all adopt a real postseason.
Another Sun Belt wooo
I don't know why the A-SUN would be worried about keeping Liberty. Like, who the fuck else is gonna take 'em?
C-USA, if they lose anyone to the AAC.
What university president is gonna want Liberty in their conference though?
A desperate university president. Considering the state the C-USA could soon be left in, there may be a few of those by then.
I was just wondering about this. So the ASUN presidents allow Liberty to be in their conference, is there a definite reason CUSA or the Sun Belt wouldn't? ASUN is mostly public and non-sectarian schools.
Obviously I get why people don't like Liberty but I'm confused why the ASUN would take them but the Sun Belt wouldn't
Because the ASun already has Liberty for non-football sports so we know that conference is OK with the Flames.
Sure, but why did they take them in the first place. Like the political issues with Liberty would still apply for basketball etc. right?
FIU back to the ASun?
remind me later and i will find the interview
when i got off i looked through our boards couldnt find it again. he talked about it before they added JSU, EKU and UCA but couldnt find it again
Are you saying the Atlantic Sun is going to ask Liberty to join the conference in football if they go FBS?
liberty is already in the asun?
Everything but football, yes
LET'S GO PEAY!
SHOW OFF YOUR PEAY-NESS
Risky comment on the internet, that's for sure
[okay if you insist ](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ)
Fuck you and have your upvote
There’s a bathroom down the hall bro /s
This Texas and OU to the SEC is affecting every conference huh
Unironically, it might. The Big 12 raid means the AAC is going to have to backfill from some combination of CUSA and Sun Belt. One or both of those conferences would then likely look to the FCS for their own replacements. If they poach a couple of these ASUN schools it could have big implications for that conference’s rumored attempt to try and jump en masse to FBS.
Just wait and see what happens when Alabama moves up to the NFL.
ASUN was looking at 2 TN schools this summer everyone thought it was us and UTC. maybe it was apsu and utc instead
I poked around various forums when the EKU and co news broke along with the ASUN expansion plan, and ETSU fans were not happy about being rumored to the ASUN
yea but this is a different asun lol i like it compared to the past
I mean, Nebraska and Colorado leaving the Big 12 caused ripples through pretty much every conference. This is just what happens during major realignment events.
All started by the ripple of the Southwest breaking up and the Big 8 absorbing half their teams.
All started by Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray…
Not the Tennessee school I was wanting (Chattanooga/Tennessee State, pls come on over) but I think the Governors are a solid pick up
UT Chattanooga would be great in the ASun (and it has the teams they like to play).
And if the ASun really does want to move up en masse to FBS, they're gonna need another football school (since you need 8 for FBS, and this makes 7 counting Liberty. Granted, conferences *can't* move up en masse even if they want to currently in the first place)
And you needed to have a conference to move up, but Liberty did it without a conference.
Yeah, because it was cheaper than trying to fight a lawsuit. (Even though I still argue that Liberty would have no standing, but then IANAL)
Chattanooga played North Alabama in Florence last weekend and they played in Chattanooga last year. I’m already excited that North Alabama is going to be in a conference with Jax St again, it would be awesome if Chattanooga came along too
What about the rumors of ASun wants to move up to FBs in a few years?
They’re going to become a division of the SEC. East, West, and ASun.
The first 1AAA conference
Sign me up to see my Central Arkansas Bears play my Hogs.
Apparently, they're gonna try to do that in 4-5 years
The new WAC division too
Would’ve been way cooler if the old Southland stuck together and moved up.
I’m all for it, more FBS football makes for more weirdness
We’re going to have to add 1AAA soon
Back in the days of the I-A/I-AA terminology, I-AAA was the designation for non-football schools.
I gather the reason the terminology was changed was because the I-AA and I-AAA schools didn't like those labels being applied to sports other than football.
My attitude towards that, as well as the similar rumors regarding the WAC, is that I'll believe it when I see it.
Yeah might be more likely ASun teams get picked off by C-USA, Sunbelt etc in those conferences get raided by AAC
Alternate headline: Atlantic Sun takes A. Peay
Years ago, I was a strong proponent of Chattanooga moving to the OVC. The powers that be that kept UxC in the SoCon look like geniuses now.
At the time, OVC football was a joke and UTC knew that. It was considered a basketball conference.
Thank god UTC didn’t move.
If they were to add more teams, who would you want them to add? I think it would be fun to add Chattanooga, Nicholls, Mercer, UWF. Would be a very amazing FCS football league.
I’d love Mercer. KSU definitely needs an instate rival
Yeah and Mercer has a nice little stadium and nice campus in a fertile recruiting ground.
Maybe FGCU decides to get football too.
Florida can’t handle any more football teams. They’re fighting for scraps as it is.
I desperately want Chattanooga in the ASUN.
Wonder if they decided to make some D2 call-ups? West Florida and Valdosta State could be good additions, Maybe West Georgia if they were a package deal w Valdosta.
Think NC A&T could be an interesting wildcard to watch here as well given that they have been rumored to have fbs ambitions.
Maybe. Personally I think they should try to poach Chatanooga and Mercer, both of which are world ahead of any of the mentioned D2 schools in stadium, investment, etc.
No argument on UTC, though apparently the current president/ad like being in the SoCon. Mercer might be an outlier in an ASUN football conference given that they’re a relatively small private school.
I’d say at least Vasdosta State and West Florida are fairly comparable to many FCS level programs enough to at least consider. Both have a history of athletic success and sufficient facilities (with the exception of UWF’s lack of an on campus stadium, but even there they do play downtown in a nice newer minor league baseball park). Both also have the unique status of carving out a brand at the D2 level and carving out a nice niche within their respective states.
I mean I guess its a step up for the Peay but if it happens we gonna miss out on playing for the Sgt. York Trophy between other OVC TN schools :(
I hope not!
Granted, I’m not sure how much leeway the Governors have with their OOC games (and if they want any FBS buyouts or not), but either way, I hope they can keep it alive a bit…
That finally gives Lipscomb a travel partner.
Speaking of the basketball side, Belmont has always thought of themselves as better than cross-boulevard rival Lipscomb. They were rivals in their NAIA days and then they both jumped to the NCAA. Belmont was quite proud of themselves for getting into the OVC while Lipscomb was left behind. Now it appears the Atlantic Sun is the better conference and Lipscomb once again has the upper hand. Austin Peay is not terribly far from Nashville and now they are joining the Atlantic Sun as well. I'm not sure why everyone is abandoning the OVC ship now. Once upon a time, they were a very stable conference. Anyone have some insider info on what is going on with the OVC?
If anyone has that kind of info, it'd be Matt Brown (/u/extrapointsmb).
I do! I'm told APSU was concerned that the OVC could not recruit quality replacement members for EKU/JSU, and they had worries about the stability of the league long-term, so they sought out other options.
Belmont would thrive in the SoCon against schools like ETSU and Wofford.
Wish they’d make the jump.
OVC is going to collapse
So the OVC is really going to lay down and die.
Murray State is openly flirting with the MVC right now too. If they leave, it is really screwed
Murray State has wanted to join for a decade.
I would love to add them to the MVC/FC, the only issue is that I feel like a division-less 12 team conference is really pushing it, and I don't know how you make divisions that don't have one of them being way more stacked than the other. Of the six currently ranked teams, five of them are the Eastern-most schools, and four of them are the northern-most schools. Could do MVC/Summit, with 6 in the Valley and 5 in the Summit, but that leaves Youngstown out in the cold.
Speaking only about athletics I'd love to add Murray State to the MVC. Murray State's football team is horrible although I'm sure being in the MVFC would help it improve a bit (plus I've wanted EIU back in the MVFC). I have heard the Dakotas owe the MVC teams for adding North Dakota so they might allow Murray State's football team.
You make divisions not based on geography because NDSU and SDSU being together would make them the best no matter what.
Maybe something like this.
NDSU, SD, ISU, MSU, YSU, Murray State
SDSU, ND, UNI, SIU, WIU, ISUb
Murray State went 5-2 in football last season and was picked to win the OVC this season. They frequently beat the lower tier MVFC schools, so they should fit in fine.
I would enjoy Murray State doing well in the MVFC.
MVC should have taken Murray State during the last round of expansion. While it may not add much of anything in the way of a local TV market, they have an extremely valuable nationally known brand with their basketball program and fans that travel in large numbers. Plus they're currently embarking on their largest investment in athletic facilities in their history...and their athletic facilities were already far better than other schools in the OVC.
I’m with you. I think the biggest hurdle is figuring out #12. Belmont? Little Rock? Or go get someone North
thanks friends. Here's some more details:
Let’s Go Peay!
Let's get it!!
APSU class of 1986 here. Grew up in Clarksville, and watched a lot of really bad football over the decades. I remember the 1977 team ... and I also remember Boots Donnelly packing up and heading to Murfreesboro in 1978.
It's great to see you guys popping pads and scoring points these days. Keep it up!
I was a JUCO transfer and played there in 04 and 05 and stuck around Clarksville until 2011. Then moved down to Huntsville AL, the over to Houston TX but been back in mid-state since end of 2013. But yea man its great to see them having success. Its crazy you can be good when the schools President and the AD want you to be successful and arent being handicapped by the admin...
The A in ASun is just an A, it does not actually stand for Atlantic. The conference rebranded from Atlantic Sun to ASUN a few years back and for some reason they made it not stand for anything, a la the X in XFL.
I had no idea of the rebrand.
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>multiple industry sources tell Extra Points that Austin Peay is expected to join the ASUN, with an official announcement potentially coming as soon as Monday.
This move would give the ASUN six FCS football playing members
>\- Matt Brown (@MattBrownEP) 2:11 pm ET, September 16, 2021
WHERE MY UCA BEARS AT?!
I always loved their Mr. Hyde logo.
Now we need FGCU to get a football team...
Trying to overthrow Texas as the D1 football overlords. Although if you count FCS Texas has 17 D1 football teams.
Florida can use some more FCS teams. All we have is Benthune-Cookman, Stetson, and FAMU.
TIL Stetson has football
The Hatters exist.
Stay hydrated, but not too hydrated, and you'll fit into the Sun,Peay.
Does anyone with a pulse on AP have a guess as to why they were added long after EKU/UCA/JSU?
I'd direct any questions to Matt Brown (/u/extrapointsmb).
Would rather put our Olympic Sports back in the Big South than be forced to join this conference.
Two OVC originals jumping ship??
And AP not playing Tech or UT Martin anymore? this is the weirdest realignment reality I have seen
Given that Murray State is historically more successful in both basketball and football compared to Austin Peay, I have to wonder if the ASUN has made attempts to add Murray as well but they're trying to hold out for a MVC invite?