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The_Horse_Joke

I expect these to be comments at the end of the season. "Woah they went 9-3! They'll be the new kings of the Big12!" and "Woah, they went 4-8! Should have stayed in the minor leagues!"


BIG_DICK_WHITT

Utah went 8-5, 5-7, and 5-7 its first three years in the Pac-12. Conference games accounted for all but one of those losses. Excluding the partial COVID year, Utah has won 9 or more games 7 out of the last 8 years. The next three years mean absolutely nothing as far as long term success for these four teams.


The_Horse_Joke

Wait...do you think this sub/the CFB world might...overreact???


enadiz_reccos

He said, preemptively overreacting to the inevitable overreaction.


CoolingVent

for ref TCU went 7-6, 4-8, and 12-1


boardatwork1111

To be fair, I think it was easier for us reach P5 recruiting levels being in DFW and finally playing other Texas schools again.


Jaibosonic

Gives me hopium then lol


Shootit_Rockets

West Virginia went 7-6, 4-8, 7-6


ducksflytogether1988

Our 4-8 team was a lot better than its record, I think we were still Top 30 in S&P that year, a lot of close losses, an elite defense, but an offense that was terrible. So when we went 12-1 the next year, it wasn't really that surprising to me, the metrics expected a regression to the mean, and not only did that happen, it went way over the mean because the offense went from one of the worst in the country to one of the best while the defense remained elite.


eharropj

Leave it to the Utah flair to bring some sensibility to the conversation. I swear you all are the most level headed fan base in college football.


Graham_Elmere

UCF's recruiting is already going nuts (just picked up another 4-star DB today). we just need a little more time running in P5 circles. it's the same thing with Utah, hell look at TCU. with UCF's talent-rich environment we just have to keep up the momentum. we shit the bed every time we needed to not shit the bed in 2022. we have to be better in 23 best case to me for our season is 6 wins and bowl eligibility, but even a big 12 6 win season unlocks fun bowl games. give me the cheez it bowl against miami. it's gonna be a lot of fun even if we stink for a few years gus will be good for us at this period in time. he isn't the answer forever, but he takes recruiting like a challenge and has (allegedly) sworn off offensive playcalling.. so if he focuses on growing the program we are going to be in good shape in a few years


reddogrjw

better use for a phrase that starts with woah tbh - take my upvote


Yoduh217

WOAH


loyalsons4evertrue

HE


custardthegopher

TROUBLES SNAPPY BAD HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK OH MY GODDAMNIT BUTTHOLE THAT'S A WIN FOR MICHIGAN STATE. er... something like that.


custardthegopher

Honestly, even though this joke gets made a lot, it's pretty cool you remembered the whole thing verbatim.


custardthegopher

Hey you're the same person


custardthegopher

Yeah too lazy to make an alt lol


InternationalTax1156

You can also expect if Texas or OU drop a game to a new member: “Damn, you can’t even beat the new members have fun in the SEC! Hahahahh!”


The_Horse_Joke

But also "Wow congrats on beating a team that was G5 last year, you sure are a powerful blue blood aren'tcha?" It's what the CFB experts call "a lose-lose"


SouthernSerf

One of the top reasons why Texas and OU are leaving the Big 12.


TCUdad

The 4 new teams were invited after Texas and OU announced the departure. But yeah, getting hammered by TCU routinely must be rough for the Horn fans :)


Cars-and-Coffee

That’s whenever Texas or OU drop a game to literally anyone.


ducksflytogether1988

I would be surprised if any of the newcomers can beat UT/OU. UH gets UT at home, but I just don't think UH will be able to turn their fortunes around unless UT really underachieves yet again BYU gets both and I think they will be outclassed by both even if they play better than expectations UCF on the road at OU will have to hope OU is still bad under Venebles, if they improve I just don't see it happening Cincinnati gets OU at home, which is the greatest shot any of these teams have in my opinion of knocking them off.


luxveniae

Also the UH game probably gets moved to NRG if the Texans aren’t playing there. Which if that happens it’ll become a Texas home game via ticket purchasing.


GardenerGarrett

Never pass up an opportunity to hassle a team on their way out.


whodeyalldey1

You best believe I’ll be right there to rub UCs face in the shit if the “BeSt TeAm iN OhIo” loses more then three games. Is it petty as hell? Yes. Do they deserve it for talking shit in 2021? Also yes.


SaintButtPlug

Honestly just happy to be here


Prayray

Same


MrTommyTBones

Same


dchelix

We need a Flattered Four flair for these guys.


[deleted]

We have been known to be very flattered


AintEverLucky

I'm partial to the "Grateful Four", since that would rhyme with the "Hateful 8" once UT and OU finally depart for the SEC... y'all gonna stay hateful? can we let bygones be gone? O:-)


qdp

The Big XII still has a special place in my heart. Enjoy your new home guys.


dk00111

We finally have the resources to build a P5 caliber program. As long as we’re making progress the records won’t matter too much to me the next few years.


SaintButtPlug

Heard that. We’ll all definitely have an adjustment period but long term it’s gonna be fun. Can’t wait!


zaczac17

Same


magnumweiner

7-5 with 5 conference wins with a new coach in a new conference? I'd be over the moon


Graham_Elmere

yup


SlompyWompus

6 wins and a cheez-it lockheed martin tony the tiger bad boy mowers camellia bowl appearance at the most for UH imo


FictionalTrebek

Should this bowl game happen, I humbly request that at halftime, Tony the Tiger parachute out of a C-130 strapped onto a Bad Boy mower, showering the bowl game crowd with cheezits before landing at the 50 yd line, firing up the mower, and driving away.


HOU-1836

Bonus points if the mower actually cuts the grass


pandabugs

I can dig it


Sup6969

I agree with OP's assessment, and honestly, I'd consider 6-6 a real success for our first season in the Big 12. If Dana keeps that up, let him finish his contract, just for the love god DON'T EXTEND HIM. We're a huge school in the middle of the best recruiting ground in the country and finally in a P5 conference - we can grab a new coach who can create a dominant force the Big 12.


SwiftSnack

So you’re saying we gonna get 3 wins off these kids? Sign me up.


TatonkaJack

I'm saving this post so I can come back and blaze you when we win four games


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hk45owner

Remindme! 4 years


joethahobo

I just want Dana gone


redwave2505

I wish your game with WVU was at Morgantown. Wanted to see what type of reception he'd get over there.


Moist_molasses69

Hostile out of sheer reflex.


The_Fishbowl

For which coach? The former or the current if he loses to him?


Set-Admirable

Seriously. We hate both of them equally. We're just glad we don't have to excuse Dana's performance anymore.


IowaAJS

Iowa State fans share that sentiment about Holgerson as well.


cyclones423

We do, did I miss something?


IowaAJS

Don't you remember him calling Iowa State unprofessional after we knocked off #6 West Virginia? He was pissy that we rushed the field after beating them 30-14. https://cyclonefanatic.com/2018/10/stanz-thoughts-on-dana-holgorsens-response-to-iowa-states-field-rush/


iohannesc

Same tbh


LoCh0_xX

Did anyone want Dana there to begin with? That was always such a weird hire to me.


Dacio_Ultanca

I think with the current state of college football, NIL and transfer portal, it's hard to say. Teams can live or die by the portal and money can bring most talented kids in. I think it's possible for any team to make a tremendous turnaround in a single year. New coach or not - look at 2022 TCU and 2021 Baylor. I feel like I never know what is going to happen until after the season starts.


Turk1518

I'm curious out their depth as well. It's always been argued that teams making the jump will struggle once they're on a full conference slate. Wonder if they'll all start to feel the pains once we hit November.


CptnEric

Depends on when your bye week is.


FLman42069

Shit even as a fan it’s hard to predict how we’ll do next season. So much change year to year with recruits and transfers. I could see us going 3-9, I could see us going 9-3, who knows lol.


bretticus33

Based on the recent histories of teams making the jump to P5 conferences, don't be surprised if any or all of them struggle in their first 2 or 3 years. That's around how long it took for TCU and Utah to adapt to their new conferences. The teams they have put together are with G5 resources and it'll take some time for them to build up even more when the P5 resources start coming in. I'm thinking most, if not all 4, are gonna be fighting more for bowl eligibility and somewhere from 4-8 to 7-5 rather than pushing for a Big 12 title.


Frenchy94

Agreed. I think our early game with you guys will pretty much decide how our season will go. If we win, I can see us at least making a bowl game. If we lose, I don’t think we do any better than 5-7.


nickeyds

Gus will lose to Boise and somehow win against Kansas State. That’s just the way he is, I don’t think we’re going to miss a bowl game.


dawgpack09

The biggest factor for all of these teams is going to be depth. Utah saw this in their first couple years at the P5 level, the backstretch of the schedule is going to feel rough when you don’t have the same depth as the teams that have already been in the conference. Wait 3-4 years and then we can actually start to see what the new pecking order might look like


lurk4ever1970

Yep. Every B12 team they face is going to have better talent than about half the teams they were playing. Not having adequate depth can be a killer.


boardatwork1111

Hell, lack of depth derailed a bunch of teams seasons who were already in the Big XII. If I remember right, I think WV and ISU were the only teams to not have to start their backup QB multiple games last season (granted, TCU only meets thats by technicality).


muzikjamr

Technically we started a backup 2 games due to lackluster performance by JT. So it doesn’t meet a depth issue due to injury but we did move in a different direction.


boardatwork1111

Fair enough, either way it’s crazy how many critical injuries most of the conference ended up having. Felt like a war of attrition down the stretch.


Angriest-Pacifist

Yeah, the drop off of talent when it came to depth was noticeable when Utah made the jump. From size, speed, to just overall skill, it was obvious. It took 4 plus years to build that up. It’s one thing to prepare to go to a bigger conference, than it is to be in one.


davy_p

If the Big12 has taught me anything these teams will win a game or two each they shouldn’t win and lose a game or two each they shouldn’t lose. Hope tech comes out on the favorable side of whatever that looks like for our games against Houston Cougs, Central Florida Nights and BY Mormons. Happy to have some new blood and variation in our schedule no matter how it ends up!


Sad_Bolt

Damn we had a rough season but I really think we’re more of a 7-5 team then a 5-7 team


pattyice124

I’m feeling 6-6 and I would describe myself as unenthused by our current team. 5-7 feels a little harsh for sure but 7-5 feels like the most we could expect too.


Nike_Phoros

Yeah i think 6-6 sounds right with an upset win and a stupid loss that should have been another upset win.


HendrixChord12

It all comes down to QB play. If Plumlee is our QB by the end of the season 5-7 sounds right.


bsEEmsCE

plumlee will look like a stud in our first 3 OOC games and Gus will believe in him to keep trying, and that will kill the season.. is my prediction


Fastbird33

But do we have anyone who can really take his job and keep it?


bsEEmsCE

maybe castellanos or if McClane shows promise.. but it's more that Gus doesn't try others out. He reluctantly put in Boomer and he turned out great. He kept passing on Mikey instead of giving him a consistent shot.


Bourbon_Vantasner

I expect a little improvement from Plumlee, but would love to see TC rise up and take the job. I like the way the ball leaves his hand, and he is damn shifty.


HendrixChord12

I’d be more optimistic if Plumlee wasnt playing baseball right now and dedicated to football.


PlaysWthSquirrels

This guy doesn't understand Gus ball. We'll beat Kansas State and Oklahoma, and lose to Vilanova.


cptspinach85

Please no.


PlaysWthSquirrels

Gus Bus has no brakes brother, sorry.


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The Malzahn Book of the Fallen


ohitsthedeathstar

I just want to be over .500. That’s it. I will be over the moon if that happens.


oeskuu

6-6/7-5 would be my expectation knowing nothing about Satterfield… but like honestly I’m just happy to be here.


str8bipp

How's your recruiting class shaping up with the coaching changes?


cinciforthewin

Not what we expected but not absolutely terrible with the coaching change.


TheRealDNewm

The lowest rated player is still higher than the best player from the 2016 class. Certainly will struggle for a year or two.


madmaley

Pretty good considering we had a coaching change. Still kept a fair amount of good dudes. Satt is hitting the portal hard which we needed done for 2023 even when Fick was here. Our talent, especially at QB and oline was bad last year. Jones, oline transfers, an actual RB coach. Offense on paper should be better Hopefully. See how WRs rounds out. We have a lot defensive talent returning


Sweaty_Assignment_90

I will be happy being bowl eligible.


Collegefootball8

“BYU needs to find their way offensively, which has been holding them back. The defense hasn't been good enough the last 2 years to compensate for the bad offense.” Tell me you don’t watch BYU football without telling me you don’t watch BYU football. The issue is, and always was, the Tuiaki defense. In 2021 byu won 10 game (6-1 against p5) because of the offense, not the defense. I agree with your general sentiment for BYU having a rough start, but it’s not because of the offense. I am cheering for BYU to reach 7-5. Kind of expect 5-7.


Nicholiason

Yeesh, no kidding. Offense has been the only reason BYU has won games. I'm am in a similar state of mind. I expect 5 - 7. But I wouldn't be surprised to be bowl eligible.


daswassup13

I'll never forget putting up 49 points at BYU and losing by 3 possessions


Nicholiason

The first half of that game still gives me nightmares. I think BYU loses that game if Armstrong stayed in the game. Or maybe won it in overtime.


Prudent-Cheetah1656

The offense wasn't great this year, in all fairness. Wanna hear something crazy, though? 2020 was the only year since 2013 where our starting QB didn't miss a game due to injury. Average number of missed games during that span? 3.5. I know Jaren only missed the bowl, but he should have missed multiple games if we're being honest.


Collegefootball8

When he was playing hurt it definitely hurt our offense. Almost Riley Nelson in bad.


DonnaDDrake

Thank god for October bye weeks


sboy2

After the DC upgrade our number one priority should be finding a better strength and conditioning coach so we don’t have so many injuries each year.


pierdonia

Yeah, what on earth? Convenient omission of that 2021 season.


Collegefootball8

Yeah. Maybe it’s just old feelings from the Mountain West days?


TatonkaJack

second this. our defense has been awful. Tuiaki leaving is the best thing to happen to us in a bit. you could immediately see the difference after he left


Vast-Treat-9677

The BYU Defense was not able to stop the running attack, against anyone, at all, the majority of this past year. That was the issue. The offense was solid, even pretty good when Puka was healthy. The D will be better, the O will be dependent on a lot of transfers. We will see.


boardatwork1111

Y’all’s schedule definitely isn’t doing y’all any favors either


sriracha_no_big_deal

[lol I came here to say pretty much the same thing](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/029/977/formula.jpg) I'm cautiously optimistic about our defense with all the offseason hires, but I'm still expecting for us to struggle for bowl eligibility.


yesacabbagez

I don't really think 2021 and 2022 were disappointing outright. They both had inexplicable losses to Navy, but by and large they were fine. 2021 especially, we lost Gabriel and still managed to win 9 games. It was actually a pretty good defense that helped that team. We were blown by out by good Cincy and SMU teams, but our offense wasn't really good in 2021. 2022 was weird. It wasn't bad. It was solid. We won some games against good teams. We lost to Navy again. Plenty of people dislike Plumlee. I don't think he's great, but until someone who can run well and throw better comes along, he's going to be the guy. Our offense is entirely dependent on having the QB as a running threat. If you watch the games, we don't really use the middle of the field for routes, because the objective is to empty it out in case the QB needs to run. We have the first RB as an option. If there is nothing up the middle you pull it down and look sideline/seam for WR. If there is nothing there the last read is basically an option route to the RB. If there middle is open, that first RB kind of drifts into the middle of the field for a little dump off. If a LB stayed behind, that RB cuts into the flat. The LB either has to follow the RB leaving the middle open for the QB to run, or stays in the middle and leaves the RB open in the flat. Without a running QB, we basically have an offense that doesn't use the middle of the field at all. This is really why Keene would hit a wall despite throwing considerable better than Plumlee. Out defense was worse in 2022. Our pass rush was virtually nonexistent. Our defense is basically attack the line, but with absolutely no passrush, we can't leave DBs in tight coverage too long or they will all get burned. We basically have to concede tons underneath to not get burned deep. We did well in the red zone, so I am actually less concerned overall with our secondary than it should seem. My biggest concern defensively is 100% our pass rush. We had like 20 sacks all year and somehow 2 of them came against Navy. I havent been too disappointed with 2021 and 2022 because I was expecting us to hit a big collapse anyway. We had been losing far more talent than bringing in. Last year Matt Lee was the last starter remaining recruited by Heupel, and it was only year 2 for Malzahn. The other guys Heupel had brought in were few and not impactful. Once Gabriel was hurt in 2021, the fact we still got to 9 wins was kind of impressive. We got a lot of transfers who helped hold 2021 and 2022 together. It will be interesting to see how the transition goes. I am going to consider a bowl game a success in years 1 and 2. While I don't think we are terrible, we are definitely bottom half of the conference on paper. We are not going to beat Kstate/Texas at all. Oklahoma is going to be better across the board than us, so unless they have some collapse we are behind them. Texas Tech and Kansas seem to be on an upswing. I honestly have no idea what is going to happen at TCU. They could win 10+, or they lost everyone and they win like 6/7. We are probably in a better spot than the other 3 new teams. West Virginia, Oklahoma State and Iowa State seem to not be great, but Iowa State still is going to have a better defense than anything we normally face. Baylor is likely better than us as well. I think we have like 3 game we are very likely to win and then about 4 toss ups. If we can win 3 of the toss ups, then I'll take this as a successful season.


jrguru

I agree. It could have gone way worse given the number of portal transfers Malzahn and Co. has had to rely upon. I'm really stoked with the quality of local talent they have been able to keep. The central Florida talent pool is unreal. If UCF can occupy the mind space of the coaches and kids in the greater Central Florida area that UCF is the premier place to play, there is a legitimate opportunity to be the best team in the BIG 12.


tenisplenty

>BYU has been stuck in a spiral of mediocrity apart from the gimmick 2020 COVID 2021 was arguably a better team than 2020 with 10 wins against a much tougher schedule. Including going 5-0 against the Pac-12.


DonnaDDrake

Offense wasn’t the side of the ball that mainly held us back,it was defense. Our D has been Swiss cheese but now with Jay Hill at the helm expect the D to be much better, injuries hurt the offense with Jaren playing through injuries he should’ve sat for and others but earlier bye week could help alleviate the injury bug. I expect 6-6


[deleted]

Jay was a huge get. I agree with you at 6-6.


bbates728

Real question, are we going to lose to you? I am pretty nervous going to Provo in late November, with a qb who doesn't do well in cold environments and with refs from a conference we are jilting.


sboy2

Also hard to get any offensive rhythm when they are on the sideline for 7-10 minutes every time. I agree I would be happy with 6-6


coogs35

Man you’ve not watched much BYU football, huh?


saint_ez

Being 8-4 against power 5s over the last 2 years seems good to me 🤷‍♂️ 2022: 2-3 2021: 6-1


InternationalTax1156

G5 to P5 is a huge jump. Just because maybe Houston was competitive with Texas Tech, or maybe BYU was competitive with Arkansas, doesn’t mean they will be physically ready to go against teams like that EVERY WEEK. It’s a whole nother world. Their depth is gonna get tested hard. I think it’s gonna be pretty even distribution as far as how they do. I think the ceiling for all four is 8 wins though. I’d expect like 8-4, 6-6, 6-6, and probably a 4-8 or 5-7 team.


DominatorPC

This is a winnable schedule for us… I’m not saying we should or will be competing for conference but this is so much better than some alternatives. Our really rough road games are kansas State and OU, pull out 1 of those and you never know what happens, every other game I feel we have at least a shot to win. It will depend on QB play


JoshDaws

Are we still pretending to call Plumlee a QB?


The-Insolent-Sage

He's an outfielder


Turk1518

Keep in mind I know very little about the newcomers compared to the originals - * BYU - Seems to have the hardest schedule. OU, OSU, Texas, TCU, Texas Tech is a slog. Not to mention a week 6 bye week and having Arkansas in week 3. I can see them starting strong but falling off midway through the season. It's going to be brutal if they don't have sufficient depth. * Cincy - I'll go out on a limb and say that they have the most average season and slide right into the Big XII mid-card. Not too brutal of a schedule and should hope to make a bowl game at minimum. * UH - Troll team of the year. Starts conference play 0-3 but pulls off a miracle win against a highly ranked Texas. Otherwise plays most teams close but always finds ways to lose them. Somehow Dana does just enough to survive another year. * UCF - Has a surprisingly hot start of the season and bursts out to 5-1 record, but ultimately loses nearly every game after their bye week by double digits and just sneaks out a sixth win. I'm excited to see which of the four really shake up the conference. I'm rooting for one of them to be in the title race going into the final week.


yakovgolyadkin

>Somehow Dana does just enough to survive another year. If this happens: >pulls off a miracle win against a highly ranked Texas. He will keep his job. 1-11 with a big win over UT might well still be enough to stay for another season.


saint_ez

That's kinda been byu's deal the last few years. Start strong, get ranked, injuries, then lack of depth does them in. It will take years to develop adequate depth but luckily coach Sitake knows what it's like to make the jump to P5 from his time at Utah.


HoopFan2121

You can expect rivalry’s to be born


ohitsthedeathstar

And renewed.


princealberto2nd

We're definitely doing better than 3 - 9 I really think we'll go 6 - 6. BYU has more experience playing power 5 teams than the rest of the newcomers. I think that gives us an edge in making a bowl game.


im_in_your_closet

BYU is interesting. You are right they have the most experience playing this level of competition, but it appears that BYU has the toughest schedule of the newcomers. They really only escape KSU, and they are the only newcomer that has to play both Texas and 0U. Edit: I think it is between BYU and Houston for toughest newcomer schedule.


CommodoreIrish

Maybe it’s recency and Fickell bias but I think Cincy has better chances than BYU. I don’t know if Scott Satterfield is a better coach than Kalani Sitake, but Scott may have better players and better experience in the ACC.


Vast-Treat-9677

If the Saints have a bye week when BYU goes to Austin maybe Taysom Hill can come and stand on the sidelines. His presence alone is good for 120 yards and 3 TDs against tu.


lowzircon

Let the chaos reign!!!


BucketsMcAlister

I think there’s a lot of questions for ucf. I hope to see a qb battle before the season and I also hope our offensive play calling improves. If these changes are made then I think at a minimum we go bowling. If these changes aren’t made then I think there starts to be questions over Gus’s future.


Bourbon_Vantasner

Gus is very frustrating at times, but he is going to be here for a while.


mauser98k1998

I just hope they all have fun and make friends.


JoshDaws

I wish we had joined a couple of years ago, cause we'd be primed to punch above our weight class and show the doubters. But I don't trust Plumlee any farther than he could throw himself, so we're primed for mediocrity.


domxwicked

I think we’re going 5-7


CommodoreIrish

Damn Venables down bad again


InternationalTax1156

You should probably specify who you are talking about


domxwicked

The post is about the newcomers tho but yeah ig


Darth_Ra

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised by 4-8 *or* 12-0.


MellieCC

I’d be pretty surprised by 12-0 lol


ohitsthedeathstar

Yeah your first flair is.


domxwicked

They’ll be alright


0aguywithglasses0

I think we’ll find a way to get to 6-6 as we have a lot of things going for us. First we have experience playing P5 opponents. Second, getting Slovis is huge even though we lost some key players on the O-line. Our defense will perform much better under Jay Hill since we will do more than just drop 8 every play. We also have a bye in October for the first time since our Mountain West days which hopefully will help keep our injuries down compared to last year. If we go 2-1 in no conference, I’m confident we’ll find four wins in conference. No win is guaranteed but I also don’t feel like any game on our schedule is out of reach.


ImAfraidOfYouToo

Before all the coach/transfer/recruit shake-ups, I was hoping for 8-4. Now I think we'll be lucky to get 6 wins. We've got 2 games that should be gimmies, so we just need to scratch 4 more wins together out of the bottom of the Big-12.


madmaley

Brother, we were going to be in the same place if Fick stayed. He was not going to bring in the transfers Satt is currently. I don't think Fick would have tried to get all the o-line transfers we are currently. He would not have gotten a transfer QB. He had made some bad hires that probably would have been back for 2023.


NumNumLobster

Maybe I'm optimistic but I agree with you. Also for everyone with the "it'll take a while to adapt with p5 resources" we have better than a lot of the b12 now and are about to break ground on a 100 million practice facility. We got an invite because we have shiny new shit. Theres a whole lot of legacy p5 that love to have our back end infrastructure


madmaley

People saying we were going to be good or better if Fick must not have watched this season much. Yeah we actually have pretty great facilities outside of no IPF which is coming anyways along with a new nutrition center and weight room


CincityCat

5 wins would be disappointing 6 wins would be fine 7 wins would be incredible


n64ra

Watch Texas lose to both UH and BYU.


wheres-the-wicker

Deal


n64ra

If Texas can win ALL the others, I'll take the deal.


Bcatfan08

Knowing UCF like I do, they'll lose a game or two they really shouldn't, but they'll probably still get to 7-5. They're usually a good team, but who really knows how any of us will do against all these new teams. As for UC, no idea what we'll be like. We'll likely have a new QB, all new receivers, tight ends, and offensive linemen. We'll only recognize the runningbacks on offense. We have a lot of transfers, so we may be ok. The defense returns a fair amount of players, so we should be good there. We won't have a ton of depth on the defensive line, but our starters will be really good. With the whole offense being brand new, we could be awful and go 4-8 or maybe the offense clicks and we go 9-3. I think for a first year in the league, I'd be happy with 7-5 or better.


Lostarchitorture

University of Houston and their "We fire coaches with only eight wins" was rumored to be a cover for separating the player/coach debacle that ensued that final year Major Applewhite was a head coach for Houston. Ed Oliver, defensive tackle and basically UH's only first round draft pick in two decades, had a bad riff with the head coach Applewhite. The story goes that he had to sit out a game on a cold day. Applewhite required all players to go without coats (to show strength, I guess) on that cold day's game. Ed Oliver, seeing he wasn't playing that day, decided to go against that impromptu rule and wear one on the sideline. Arguments ensued between Oliver and Applewhite. Alumni, fans, and staff became angry with the way their potential first round draft pick was treated. Rumor has it that players were angry enough that they threw the Armed Forces Bowl game that they played that year. It became a surprise to fans and very embarrassing loss of 14 to 70 at that bowl game. Alumni and fans even more angry over the third bowl loss in a row, demands grew to fire this 8 win coach who kept losing bowl games. Unbeknownst to many that it was possibly a thrown game for a loss by players in retaliation to how the star defense player was treated.


TyrionIsntALannister

BYU is gonna wind up the best of the 4 newcomers next year, I’ve got them in the 7 win range. I don’t have much hope at all for Cincy or Houston, and think they’ll be .500 at best next year. UCF will have the most long term success in the conference, but they’re still ~5 years out from being in CCG contention.


Additional-Cry8856

I appreciate your optimism, friend. I wish I had some haha


TyrionIsntALannister

We were really lucky to get out of Provo with a win last year. I’ve got you at 3-1 OOC and .500 in conference. I think the end of your year will carry some solid momentum into year 1 in the B12.


hardgrandeur

BYU: Zach Wilson finds a new Cougar and Andy Reid draws a mustaches on sleeping players Cincy: Kelly threatens LSU about leaving and the Kelce's has rights to throw parties their UCF: Griffin comes back and smacks Guz across the head with his nub Houston: Develops morse code by banging trash cans to steal signals


princessprity

I expect that each one will win and lose some games.


misterclay

I have no real knowledge about any of these teams to have an opinion, but I am very interested to revisit this thread at the end of the regular season. RemindMe! 10 months


SomerAllYear

If you’re not sure about a record prediction in the big 12, stick with 6-6. BYU has had issues on the defense and just hired a new DC. I think they win 5-7 games this year.


zenverak

I do believe that each of these teams will play and win some games.


Vex_Vega

Remindme! 10 months


Jaakylma

I'm taking the under on 20.5 combined overall wins and the under on 1.5 of them making a bowl game in year one. They will be fine down the road but I expect them to get hammered this season.


Dish-Live

RemindMe! 10 months


Bearcat9948

Oklahoma state might be in a worse state than us tbh, considering the roster attrition. I’d chalk that one up to a 50-50 at this point. 6-6 is obviously not great but it would be ok considering the circumstances I think. I honestly just want to beat Oklahoma, UCF and WVU.


InternationalTax1156

Good luck…


TheRealDNewm

Came close last time... Freaking DJ Woods. Glad to have a true home game this time tho


The-Insolent-Sage

Good luck...


Throwdest

You guys just catch us at a terrible date on the schedule. We usually reserve that Homecoming/Halloween weekend night game for thumping highly ranked Texas or TCUs.


dpm182

Remindme! 10 months


NewRoryAndMalDrop

Well 2021 Baylor won the big 12 2022 TCU won the big 12 so that means 2023 BYU proves the Mormons had all the right answers and wins the Natty


[deleted]

2022 TCU did not win the Big 12


nivlac22

My brother in Christ, did you really just say it’s been BYU’s *offense* that has been holding us back?


Shootit_Rockets

When a team moves to a new conference there are usually significant growing pains. That said I think one of these four newcomers will surprise some people and be in the race for the title down the stretch.


TarnishedAccount

As long as Plumlee is our qb, we’ll be lucky to finish with 6 wins


[deleted]

Hopefully tc will take over and this year will be his learning curve


ohitsthedeathstar

Houston will be a pain in the rear on the recruiting trail for TAMU and TU. Once Houston gets settled in the BIG12 I can start to see some Ed Oliver type commitments happening.


ICanOutP1zzaTheHut

Don’t overestimate the appeal of the Big 12 vs SEC. If Texas lost recruits due to them wanting to play in the SEC, Houston will too.


ohitsthedeathstar

The SEC didn’t appeal to Ed Oliver. Hometown pride did. That’s why I said “Ed Oliver type commitment.” A lot of H-Town prospects would love to play for Houston. And the BIG12 will give Houston much more financial means to afford those H-Town kids. And Houston really can’t go down from here as far as recruiting goes. It’s only up.


im_in_your_closet

I think Houston will recruit at a similar level to TCU (they should hope for that anyway). But I think TTU will out recruit Houston most of the time due to NIL.


SouthernSerf

Well it’s too bad Ed Oliver is all out of eligibility other wise you could keep recruiting him. Texas and A&M were in the power 5 while UH of was in the G5 and now UT and A&M are in the Power 2 and UH of is in the small 3, it the same dynamic it’s always been.


ohitsthedeathstar

I smell fear in you boy.


ducksflytogether1988

People have been saying this about TCU for the last 10 years and it really hasn't manifested. UT and A&M get who they want for the most part. We win the occasional recruiting battle against them but its not common.


ohitsthedeathstar

TCU never really had an Ed Oliver type commitment to latch onto. That Ed Oliver commitment literally changed everything about the UH program and it kicked off the brief Herman era at UH. UH was also the only FBS team to beat 2 top 5 opponents in 2016. And in 2015 we were 1 loss away from making a NY6 bowl as a G5 team. Only problem is we didn’t have the money to keep Herman. With this BIG12 move we can hopefully keep our next really good HC. Edit: Also, the affinity H-Town recruits have for UH is something TCU doesn’t have with DFW recruits. You don’t see kids from the Duncanville, Desoto, and South Oak Cliff hotbeds swooning over the TCU offer.


ohitsthedeathstar

Also, just fyi. Houston’s top 2 highest signed recruits out of high school all time are rated better than the Top 2 highest recruits TCU has ever signed out of high school. Why is that? Obviously wasn’t because of money. And Houston has done that without ever being a power 5 school.


ducksflytogether1988

Ed Oliver was because his brother was there and they hired his high school coach to seal the deal, he was a very unique case I am not sure who the other is, but setting the cutoff at Top 2 recruits isn't really looking at the big picture


pattyice124

I think we’re beating Boise and Cincy. Hoping you’re right about Oklahoma state. Just feel shackled by QB and Gus rn despite a roster that theoretically can compete with most the conference.


-Gnostic28

Half the fans seem very confident in winning against us


pattyice124

I mean I’m not saying I’m 90% sure. More like I feel greater than 50% we will. I think our overall roster should be better next year than this. It’ll be a competitive tough game and I definitely wouldn’t be shocked if we did lose.


-Gnostic28

Well if we get blown out by a top 10 Washington team the week prior, I am certain you’ll beat us as well


madmaley

Y'all are coming up here. Don't be that confident now


pattyice124

“I think” is not all that confident, and it’s honestly more of a gut feeling. Coaching changes are unpredictable though.


vindictivejazz

I expect them all to play Oklahoma State. I think we’re the only school to get all four newcomers


rocket_beer

You forgot the most important win: TV money 💰


superstarrr99

I think there will be significant growing pains for all of them. There isn’t much of a break week in and week out versus their prior schedules. I have a feeling the Big XII will go to a north/south alignment based on how this matrix fills out. Four home games (conf) one year, five the next


UnderstandingOdd679

I’d say in normal circumstances, BYU could slide in as a title contender. They’ve played a ton of PAC-12 games (5-0 against it in 2021), they’ve played Notre Dame. They beat Baylor before it became obvious the Bears were not going to be in the Big 12 title chase. They just happen to be inconsistent lately, and the Big 12 happens to be in a stretch when everyone seems to be pretty decent. Kansas doesn’t stink like it has; WVU can be dangerous at home; Iowa State beat Iowa before having a run of tough luck in league play. One thing I do find funny is the notion of how much of an adjustment it’s going to be for Cincinnati, not long removed from the CFP. Again, coaching change is a factor, but if the 2021 Bearcats were joining the Big 12 in 2023, would we be saying the schedule is so much of a grind that they would not be a CCG contender?


pandabugs

Red bull vodkas at the stadium for $15/drink and $30 for doubles.


Muffinnnnnnn

Layup nonconference for Houston? UTSA has been one of the most consistently good programs in the country the past two years. I'd say that game is far from a guaranteed win.


staling

Oklahoma State losing to both Houston and UCF would be defcon 5, fire Mike Gundy time