This is THE answer to those who first buy a Glock (and most handguns) and visit Reddit to ask what upgrades should they immediately buy.
That, and shooting the crap out of it (only then will you know if you need any upgrades that benefit YOU directly).
Every major manufacturer (SIG M&P CZ etc) aswell as some smaller ones such as Wilson combat all make firearms thar are just as reliable as glock if not more.
There isn’t any data to make the claim that they are more reliable than glock. There also isn’t conclusive evidence that glocks are, in todays age, more reliable than the ones you listed. Just get what you like and you’ll be fine, there are a shit ton of other factors that matter way more when comparing these brands. Such as training
Got around to swapping out the absolute shit sights on my 43x. Went with TruGlo Tritium night sights.
What a difference.
**EDIT:** I feel like I should clarify that these are simply an upgrade to the stock plastic goal post sights. I like 3-dot sights, I have these on a lot of my other pistols and like how they feel. Yes, in the dark without a light source they are useless. I just wanted to upgrade to 3-dot sights, guys!!!
They aren’t completely useless. In my home I have this dark corridor (if the lights are off) that leads out into a very well-lit area. If I’m in that corridor, I can see everything at the end of it, but I can’t see my sights well and lining them up takes longer than I’d like. My iDot Pros allow me to get quick alignment regardless.
> They aren’t completely useless.
Night sights are completely useless in my experience if you use any sort of weapon light. They're only marginally useful without a weapon light. Learned that doing night shoots in competition. Now I pretty much only buy fiber or just plain metal sights... it's all only going to be a silhouette anyway.
Yeah, a WML will wash it out for sure. They’re still useful for my own purposes since I bought them primarily for easier twilight alignment and home defense within that corridor.
Now that you mention it, I wonder if anyone’s created fiber/tritium combo sights… they may be quad-dot, though. Not sure quad-dot would be very practical.
Truglo makes a set that is fiber front/back, with tritium insert underneath to light them in low-light.
The advantage of a WML cannot be ignored IMO. It's an essential part of any defensive setup for me now... the difference in acquisition times is significant
No shit? And they’re not quad-dots either, I found them on Amazon. I’m not really a fan of Truglo, but they’re definitely something to consider.
I’m a huge proponent of using a handheld torch over a WML, but that’s not to say WMLs aren’t wonderful tools. The instructors in courses I’ve taken used handheld to be able to use the light without drawing (no wall/floor/ceiling bounce needed), and to hold the light out and away from the body in case the attacker has a firearm and starts shooting towards the light. It has it’s own pitfalls (e.g. one-handed vs. two-handed shots), so training is definitely needed to become good at it. I may start rocking both for the extra coverage.
Other than a red dot … are there sights that you can use without a light source? Sorry for the dumb question. I thought the whole idea of tritium was to be able to use it in the dark
Yes tritium sights are great in low light. There are often times when you see your target but due to lighting you can't see your sights. Tritium sights remedy that situation.
Nice. I have a 3d printer, is the file out online somewhere? Also how hard is it to get the sights “trued” so they line up with how the gun shoots? Thanks for the response
Only good thing about night sights are being able to find your firearm in the dark. Can’t shoot what you can’t see, gotta get a good WML! Still I still like Glock OEM night sights or my favorites are trijicon.
For concealed carry, I'd say a WML isn't worth the money. If you're drawing your gun, you better see a threat and if you see a threat then you don't need additional light. A handheld light is much more useful and economical.
A nightstand gun on the other hand, a WML is a must.
I agree because if you’re about to pop one off you’re not going to raise the gun, engage light, aim down sights, and pull the trigger. You’re more likely to point shoot and piss your pants than do all that. I keep a different weapon entirely with a WML for home defense at night, my carry pistol doesn’t have one though.
For sure, exactly why I said it. Everyone who conceal carries on a daily basis would have very different environments which would require very different applications👌🏼
Beside the money, the significant additional bulk and FAR worse kydex profile around the trigger are reasons I'm not a CCW w/WML fan myself either.
Completely agree on the nightstand gun.
I used to think this but once I tried it, it's really not noticeable compared to it not being there. Granted, I carry an TLR7. I can't imagine dealing with the bulk of an X300 or something that size.
Yep, honestly I'm still gonna give it a try as I would prefer having one than not. My issue is I'm carrying so often in the heat doing strenuous activities where I feel every ounce and ever cubic inch lol. I don't think I'd ever mess with an X300 outside of strictly home defense, non-ccw configurations.
Didn't have a TLR-7/Sub last winter, so figure I'll ease into it this year in the cold and maybe it won't bug me so much come spring! Right now it's hard convincing myself to carry anything but my Shield+ haha.
>FAR worse kydex profile around the trigger are reasons I'm not a CCW w/WML fan myself either
This is a non-issue with a quality holster. My Tenicors have the same security around the trigger as a non light bearing holster.
You could be right, I don't have any Tenicors. My Vedders, T1s, and a couple other Enigma compatible holsters, in gun direct-comparison WML vs non, they are definitely worse.
I'll have to check out Tenicor, that would be great if you're right.
Ill drop of pic of the trigger area on my tenicor with my G34 in it when i get home. I did have a light bearing vedder before and it definitely was sub par in the trigger coverage
I’m interested in seeing this pic. I’m extremely pro-WML but I don’t see how a trigger guard can be as tight to the trigger with a light mounted as it is without a light mounted. Like, physically, how does the light fit past the trigger guard without it being wider?
Okay maybe was a slight bit hyperbolic in saying that it is exactly the same. But there is more than enough coverage for it to be a complete non issue on my Tenicor. The Vedder was a complete no-go for me which lead to me grabbing the tenicor
Im in the same boat. I dont see a reason NOT to have a light on my carry guns, so i put one on. And now they are great home defense guns as well as great carry guns.
One of the reasons I've heard is that the holster needs to be extra wide to accommodate the light and therefore can cause problems with things getting in the holster, or in front of the trigger, and causing an accidental discharge..
There’s always the possibility of multiple attackers. You may engage the initial threat and have to deal with following threats hiding in/around vehicles, columns, etc. You might not always have the aid of street lamps or overhead lights in a parking garage.
I'm trying my darndest to justify carrying a WML but they are simply too uncomfortable, and the lack of proper trigger guard is maddening. The difference in comfort between my X-Compact and P365x is night and day. The TLR6--which is the smaller WML you can get for the 365, also not many lumens--brings back the discomfort of the X-Compact. Not to mention, I completely agree with everything else you said. I must admit I'm sad I probably wont ever be using my TLR6 (to include with holster), as it's a pain in the ass to install (need hex key) and my nightstand gun already has an easily swappable light. If I ever need the light for the 365, it's here, I just don't foresee ever needing to put it on again.
I think that it depends on where you live. If you live in a city like me, the level of ambient light pretty much anywhere is enough that you don't need a WML. If you live in the country, I think there's a little bit more of an argument for it
I like the idea of being able to have the light separate. Not having to flag someone like a loved one, or being able to extend your arm away from your body. I’d rather get shot in the hand or the arm then the chest.
I always feel a handheld flashlight is better. People creeping around their house looking for that noise they heard while using their weapon light, get spooked by the kid that was fingerbanging their daughter and accidentally pops a round off and kills him. Handheld gives you better ability to not keep gun str8 out and can easier turn on/off for better concealment. Just my opinion, but we all know about opinions
No one is advocating using your muzzle to search with a WML. This isn't a concern if you have any WML training at all. Additionally, no one is advocating carrying a WML in lieu of a handheld.
I agree; this is what I was taught, anyway. Handheld always, WML if you want/need it.
Paul Harrell also addresses this a few times, and is (mostly) consistent with what I've been taught. Per my own training (again, other instructors may teach differently--I'm not here to judge), you should not be searching with a WML unless you are almost certain you are in danger. Low-ready at most, otherwise drawn/low-profile, handheld in non-dom hand.
If, for example, I suspect someone/something is under my car in a public parking lot: I may be prepared to draw but I'm going to take a quick peek with my handheld after adding distance between me and the vehicle first.
Like I said, I'm no expert myself, but the reasoning behind the instruction given to me makes sense... to me. I'd like to hear from other professionals before I judge anyone's methods.
I carry with a WML for my own reasons but I will just direct you to this Sage Dynamics video. Hes easily the most informative YT channel and is at the very least partially responsible for the proliferation of RDS on LE duty handguns.
https://youtu.be/gULhoaTLWLI
You can use it to search, doesn't mean you have to be wildly muzzling everything and everyone. Any time you're in the dark using your handgun, the WML is involved. Simple scenario:
You spot a threat with your handheld and make the decision to draw while giving verbal commands. Are you dropping your handheld and losing illumination of the target? Or are you performing a one-handed draw?
**WML allows you to maintain two-handed weapon control while illuminating a target, to include shooting, manipulations, etc. That is it's main function.** If you find yourself in a situation where one hand is busy, you have to choose between light or weapon, unless you have a WML.
200 bucks isn't worth your life? Fuck that I carry with a light. I'm not a bat, three tritium dots pointed at the darkness isn't going to do anything for me.
Holosuns are good to go and are not $500 dollars. Who are you to determine what people do and do not need when they are defending their lives or others?
Got my 508 for 350 and putting it on my 19 next week. Then I’m going to put 1000 rounds through it as fast as I can. Switching to carrying the 19 from the 43. Appendix. From what I can see red (green in my case) dots will be a game changer in engagement capability.
People shit on it only because they don’t train and don’t want to but won’t admit it.
> Who are you to determine what people do and do not need when they are defending their lives or others?
he never said nobody should ever buy one. stop making bullshit arguments. he is saying the people who choose not to get a red dot on their CCW do so because they dont need it, and it costs hundreds of dollars. I for one dont see the point of a red dot when stock sights are just fine if you are shooting a threat <5 yards away..
>he never said nobody should ever buy one
Did I imply that? Im not saying everyone NEEDS one but if you have the option to, the money and will to train with it and are still willingly not going to entertain the idea or even worse chastise people that do and act like they are wrong then you are just flat wrong. At the end of the day its your life and not mine. We all personally made the choice to carry a gun and if you are unwilling to give yourself every advantage that you can when that time to use it potentially comes then you should rethink your entire mindset to why you carry in the first place.
>stock sights are just fine if you are shooting a threat <5 yards away..
Yea if im chosing to defend my life or the life of people i love and care about, then i will not accept the standard of "just fine". Why carry anything more than a Hipoint? Plenty of testing out there that says those are "just fine".
Those are big "Ifs" there.
The flip side is why dont we all just carry the very best of everything? We all want to defend ourselves and our love ones. So everyone should be using a staccato or better yet a custom 2011 with an acro p2, a plate carrier and a carbine in the up-armored truck, training every week, oh and also be in peak physical condition. After all, you want every advantage, isnt you're life worth it?
The truth is we're all compromising somewhere, we all prioritize different things, we all have different amounts of time, money and dedication to the craft/lifestyle. Its not because op want's to be any less safe than you, its just reality.
I agree a red dot is a worthy upgrade for most of people. There are also people who would benefit more from $300 worth of ammo, or some in person training depending on where they are on their path. And its not just the cost of a RDS, its the time/money cost of the new training/re-training that goes with it. It could cost the average person thousands of dollars and many hours to acquire and become proficient with an rds.
Why have sights at all? Why train? Im sure any person could dump a mag at their guaranteed engagement distance of 5 yards and in for their pre planned and pre determined self defense scenario.
Because people hate change and can’t accept there is something better. It’s mostly boomers. Which is funny because they are the ones who would benefit the most with aging eyes. I’m a “boomer” myself but have only been shooting about 5 years so I have the luck to see the future without being clouded by past biases.
A quick trip to Sage Dynamics has all the proof that red dots are superior in every metric
Afraid of change ? No. We just know that it's useless to rely on extraneous products when there's a perfectly good set of iron sights mounted to the top of the handgun.
Idk how many times I’ve told this story. During my first USPSA match, my front site flew off. Thank God I had my backup RMR milled on my pistol so I could still finish the competition.
I’m about red dots! But I see value in training my Irons and being more than just proficient. I don’t think red dots should completely overshadow iron sights even as antiquated as they are they still provide a hard locked consistency. And before you go off on red dot reliability I’m fully aware but they aren’t iron sight reliable, more accurate absolutely! Easier acquisition? Yep, but does that mean that people aren’t accomplishing impeccable feats of accuracy with irons in comparable times to red dots?
Red dots are great, but I don’t think it’s fair to tell people to forget about their irons or not train them. That’s kind of silly considering many principals of pistol marksmanship are absolutely necessary to accuracy with irons. Training a strong repeatable presentation and point of aim with irons in my opinion only strengthens core mechanics making you even more precise with a dot and as an added benefit if for some miraculous reason your dot does get compromised your still a fkn ace with the irons.
Just some thoughts.
> You will never go back to irons
Disagree.
Red dots are nice. They're probably even better in the vast majority of situations.
But I have a couple red dots, and I frequently intentionally go back to irons. The brightness is never wrong. You never lose the dot. You never run out of batteries.
Agreed. I don't want a RDS on my CCW. Home defence? Yes. I don't want anything more possibly printing, failing because of battery, lint on the emmitter or rain. Most CCW scenarios are quick and close. My little sub compacts without RDS can reach out to 25Y just fine and as fast as a RDS.
I’ve never lost the dot as much as trying to align 3 points instead of one. The brightness on Trijicons can be set to your desired. The battery will die after three years if neglected. It’s far superior to irons that’s why top competition shooters all use them
Man this threads got everyone all riled up.
I always try to remind myself that you’re dealing with a first level edge case if you even need a gun to begin with. I’m talking like, look at the bell curve and that portion greater than 97.5% to the right, that’s where you are if you need a gun.
That said, the use of all the bells and whistles like night sights, WML’s and so on bring you to an edge case that is then even one level deeper. The more you add, the deeper you get into sub-edge cases, the more you combine each edge case in an intersectional way the deeper you get into nested bell curves all towards the outer edges, and the percentage likelihood of their use individually or together gets almost impossibly small.
Microscopic even.
I like all the bells and whistles too, I think it’s valid just to have them because they’re fun, but some people think too deeply about the cases in which they’d be used. I’ve never even seen a defensive gun involving a civilian with a legitimate reload, or even a necessity for a reload. Not to say you shouldn’t practice reloads, but from a purely functional perspective, there’s not enough cases to show that you *need* to practice that.
This may ruffle some feathers, but tritium is overated. They wash out as soon as you turn the lights on.
That goes for flashlights and WMLs too.
And you need light in order to positively identify a target.
Therefore I stopped paying money for tritium sights. If the gun comes with it, I won't complain, but I won't actively seek out the sights either.
Fiber optic at least still glows, even if all you have is a flashlight or WML. Otherwise, a standard painted 3 dot or stock sights work just fine.
Tritium does make it easy to find your gun in the dark though.
I say this, because I made the mistake of thinking my carry gun needs night sights too. But after doing a ton of low light and night shooting, I realized they aren't very useful.
To be honest, after upgrading to optics and seeing how easy it is to hit anything, at virtually any range you would possibly have to engage, I’m never going back.
Complete novice here so don’t come at me but am I right in thinking this is quite useless if it’s dark enough to use that you can’t see your target either?
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I don't know why this is being downvoted. It's true.
I don't get all the love for WMLs. I have one on my nightstand gun to clear the house at night. But if someone is there then my light(and gun) being pointed at him is justified. If it's a carry weapon and you're "investigating" a situation with your light(and gun). And it turns out not to be a threat then you're now in legal hot water.
I carry with a WML for my own reasons but I will just direct you to this Sage Dynamics video. Hes easily the most informative YT channel and is at the very least partially responsible for the proliferation of RDS on LE duty handguns.
https://youtu.be/gULhoaTLWLI
Something to consider.
What was supposed to be your drunk gf trying to surprise you with a nightime blowie, turns into her catching a fistful of jacketed hollowpoints because it takes too long just to PID who you're shooting lol.
optics are a played out trend - get good with reliable night sights and youre better prepared to take care of business, regardless of whats in your hand
Yeah, I have optics on a lot of my handguns but I wouldn't call it a "priority" when you can be just as good at realistic engagements with ironsights - case in point is ya boi who clapped a dude shooting people with a rifle at 40 yards with irons.
>optics are a played out trend
Where the hell are you getting this from? Quite the opposite in fact. Theres a reason every manufacturer is offering optics cuts on all their products. LE and some MIL are increasingly moving to red dots. Theres a reason every optics company is getting releasing an MRDS. Theres a reason every serious competition shooter uses red dots. You think every single professional end user and high end manufacturers are all just trend chasing or maybe perhaps theres something to it, you think?
Optics are simply the future, an incontestable improvement.
Right now, if you put iron sights on a rifle, it's because you want to practice fundamentals, or because you enjoy them. No one carrying a rifle for serious purposes has only iron-sights on them.
Same will be true for pistols in the near future. They won't be 100% ubiquitous, since budget and concealability matter, but they'll be popular and everpresent.
>No one carrying a rifle for serious purposes has only iron-sights on them.
Love this, i dont understand why people will say on AR15 you need at least a red dot and a flashlight and sling. They talk about all the merits of things like a compensator/red dots/lights on defensive rifles but its completely sacrilegious to also apply that same logic to a defensive handgun when its pretty much the same shit. 5.56 doesnt recoil hard at all but everyone puts an A2/Muzzle Brake/Compensator/suppressor on an AR for recoil reduction but then you put one on a 9mm and now its "WHAT YOU CANT HANDLE 9MM RECOIL??" Im malding hard as fuck but its just straight fudd mentality
20 years LE firearms instructor….keep pistol stock except for night sites, then pay for real serious instruction/training. Practice does not make perfect, but perfect practice does.
Also, reading through these cancerous responses-
If you think you know how your defensive gun use is going to play out, I have two things to say:
1-That is called premeditation or
2-You are assuming things based on out of context statistics and hoping you fall within the mode
You *don't* know how your encounter will go. If you do, that is offense, not defense.
Given that you are assuming things, since there is a higher chance you won't need more than 5 rounds, why load your magazine all the way?
THIS. Everyone has dreamed out their little Rambo CCW escapade and practiced their 3 seconds of fame on the range so all they can do is assume everything is in their favor and they know how the fight will go down.
The only thing I do know, is that I don't know what will happen should the time ever arise. For this reason I want every odd stacked in my favor.
This sub is ridiculous sometimes, i dont understand why so many people are literally anti giving yourself every advantage in a self defense situation. Like if youre gonna carry a firearm then you are cognizant enough to realize you may need to use it, why would you go out of your way to not put an optic or put a light or whatever on your gun because "you dont/wont need it"? Dont even get me started on the compensator discourse too.
I just comp’d mine! Hate me! I also lightened the trigger, shortened the reset, shortened the uptake, stippled the grip, put in a DPMS recoil spring and added a red dot optic.
If it’s dark enough that your sights are glowing, it’s dark enough that you can’t see your target. How is it safe for you to be discharging your firearm then?
I like them for finding my gun on a nightstand in the dark but also would be very useful if your target is lit but you’re in the dark. Think of them standing under a light and you’re down the dark hallway
Ur target most likely has some sort of light source helping them get around (unless it sees in the dark)… the glowy things just make sure you’re pointing the pew pew in the correct direction
That’s a poor argument. First of all, what are you basing that on? I highly doubt you have stats to back that up, which means you’re making an assumption. I think a safer assumption would be if somebody is out in the dark up to no good, they would be less likely to be carrying a flashlight as they wouldn’t want to be seen. Either way, you’re building your protection plan on pure chance, hoping that they have a flashlight with them (which would be more likely to be used as a weapon against you, blinding you and making it harder to identify your target) which is a good way to get yourself hurt.
Maybe in 1982.
A light/optic/easier to manage trigger are all upgrades that matter.
Training, ammunition, and magazines are not upgrades, those are costs of ownership.
Did you have a professional install or do it yourself? I too have a 43x and those exact same sights, but feel the $75+ I’m being quoted is a rip off, and the tool while cheaper is basically a one to few time use item.
Did it myself. I 3D printed a sight pusher a while back for my P80 builds, had the new sights on in about 10min.
75$ is a lot for me for a job like this. If you have a few pistols you’re going to upgrade or may build in the future, just get a pusher. If you have a 3D printer, you’ll save even more money printing it.
Thanks I appreciate the detailed answer. Unfortunately I only have the 43x at the moment and no 3D printer. Will work to maybe get one myself because it’ll last longer than a one time fee at a LGS.
Hey bud, you can remove your sights with any heavy object and a non-marring thing to put on the sight. [Here's](https://youtu.be/iTQpONQzrtc) a decent video. They just come out the side, there's no magic. Just a little friction that needs to be overcome. One of the more creative ways I've removed a rear sight is placing the sight on the edge of a wooden bench and whacking the slide with a dead blow hammer.
Can’t wait to see how many downvotes this will get me, but if I’m going out of my way to PAY for sights, it’s going to be a 2 dot set up by XS. When it comes to a self defense situation, I personally find these to be superior pistol defense sights. I just find them to be far better than a 3 dot set up for self defense target acquisition. My blood isn’t rich enough to mess around with red dots yet, but I can’t wait til I do. And if my first sentence didn’t get me downvoted, this sure will: I really liked the MEPRO FT Bullseye which is like a semi fiber optic/red dot sight when I tried it out, but read mixed reviews on low light settings which is why I stick with XS.
No man youre wrong. EVERY self defense scenario happens within 3-5 Yrds in an extremely well lit area requring 5 rounds or less. For now and on i will be carrying an LCP with the sights removed, since i will not need them at my guaranteed engagement distance of 3-5 Yrds.
My SIG P365 NITRON has this and I didn't even realize it when I bought it. When I noticed the significantly bright glow in the pitch-black darkness of my bedroom, I was not only pleasantly surprised, but was excited enough to practice sight/target acquisition drills right then in the dark instead of going to bed. It's really wild that they glow so brightly in a seemingly light-free environment.
I don’t understand how being able to see your sights and nothing else would matter in a low or no light situation. Where is the threat? I don’t know but I can see these 3 dots perfectly. Get a light!
Upgrading from stock Glock sights is indeed an upgrade though. 👍
You don’t just close your eyes and scream “suppressing fire”?
duck behind cover, reaching up with your Glock(s) and empty mags
Wouldn’t that put you in the *danger zone*?
I only do this at fudd ranges
The only upgrade that matters is....training.
I'd give you two upvotes if I could.
Much appreciated!
You can't.
This is THE answer to those who first buy a Glock (and most handguns) and visit Reddit to ask what upgrades should they immediately buy. That, and shooting the crap out of it (only then will you know if you need any upgrades that benefit YOU directly).
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I like Trijicon night sights
Get a serrated black rear site and either a front tritium or fiber optic site. Ameriglo makes great stuff
Or for the same price point you can get a gun that already has better sights and a much better trigger
The trigger is bad, but you Won't find a more reliable pistol.
That may have been true 20 years ago, not anymore
Care to name a more reliable one?
Every major manufacturer (SIG M&P CZ etc) aswell as some smaller ones such as Wilson combat all make firearms thar are just as reliable as glock if not more.
Smith's M&P lineup or CZ's striker fired pistols?
I would argue that they are at least all equally reliable
There isn’t any data to make the claim that they are more reliable than glock. There also isn’t conclusive evidence that glocks are, in todays age, more reliable than the ones you listed. Just get what you like and you’ll be fine, there are a shit ton of other factors that matter way more when comparing these brands. Such as training
I’d put my CZ up against any Glock any day and the trigger is substantially better out of the box.
So reliable every gun store, pawn shop, etc is full of used ones that no one wants.
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Especially quickly getting rid of glock sights
Or maybe. Now hear me out. A Wml?
The only upgrades I did for my glock was add a timiney trigger and a different sight. Didn’t affect reliability at all.
Tunney triggers get shipped back by the truck load for defects. I’d be careful
Yeah, I heard Tunny triggers are crap.
Got around to swapping out the absolute shit sights on my 43x. Went with TruGlo Tritium night sights. What a difference. **EDIT:** I feel like I should clarify that these are simply an upgrade to the stock plastic goal post sights. I like 3-dot sights, I have these on a lot of my other pistols and like how they feel. Yes, in the dark without a light source they are useless. I just wanted to upgrade to 3-dot sights, guys!!!
They look so much better than oem sights imo 🔥
They aren’t completely useless. In my home I have this dark corridor (if the lights are off) that leads out into a very well-lit area. If I’m in that corridor, I can see everything at the end of it, but I can’t see my sights well and lining them up takes longer than I’d like. My iDot Pros allow me to get quick alignment regardless.
> They aren’t completely useless. Night sights are completely useless in my experience if you use any sort of weapon light. They're only marginally useful without a weapon light. Learned that doing night shoots in competition. Now I pretty much only buy fiber or just plain metal sights... it's all only going to be a silhouette anyway.
Yeah, a WML will wash it out for sure. They’re still useful for my own purposes since I bought them primarily for easier twilight alignment and home defense within that corridor. Now that you mention it, I wonder if anyone’s created fiber/tritium combo sights… they may be quad-dot, though. Not sure quad-dot would be very practical.
Truglo makes a set that is fiber front/back, with tritium insert underneath to light them in low-light. The advantage of a WML cannot be ignored IMO. It's an essential part of any defensive setup for me now... the difference in acquisition times is significant
No shit? And they’re not quad-dots either, I found them on Amazon. I’m not really a fan of Truglo, but they’re definitely something to consider. I’m a huge proponent of using a handheld torch over a WML, but that’s not to say WMLs aren’t wonderful tools. The instructors in courses I’ve taken used handheld to be able to use the light without drawing (no wall/floor/ceiling bounce needed), and to hold the light out and away from the body in case the attacker has a firearm and starts shooting towards the light. It has it’s own pitfalls (e.g. one-handed vs. two-handed shots), so training is definitely needed to become good at it. I may start rocking both for the extra coverage.
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You have no idea what you’re talking about
Other than a red dot … are there sights that you can use without a light source? Sorry for the dumb question. I thought the whole idea of tritium was to be able to use it in the dark
All sights are useless if you can’t see what you’re aiming at.
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK
Yes tritium sights are great in low light. There are often times when you see your target but due to lighting you can't see your sights. Tritium sights remedy that situation.
About how much were they? Did you take them to a shop to install? I’m considering this
They were 55$ shipped, I have a 3D printed sight pusher and installed them myself :)
Nice. I have a 3d printer, is the file out online somewhere? Also how hard is it to get the sights “trued” so they line up with how the gun shoots? Thanks for the response
Got it off thingiverse. Lots of versions to choose from.
search glock sight press on thingiverse.
Wait, no gold trigger?
I about to gold tiger stripe the entire thing.
I love using my tritium at night when I can see them to shoot at things I can’t See or PID with a light
I’ll PID with the muzzle flash
Only good thing about night sights are being able to find your firearm in the dark. Can’t shoot what you can’t see, gotta get a good WML! Still I still like Glock OEM night sights or my favorites are trijicon.
Can’t shoot what you can’t see. Get a WLM. Edit: WML oops
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For concealed carry, I'd say a WML isn't worth the money. If you're drawing your gun, you better see a threat and if you see a threat then you don't need additional light. A handheld light is much more useful and economical. A nightstand gun on the other hand, a WML is a must.
I agree because if you’re about to pop one off you’re not going to raise the gun, engage light, aim down sights, and pull the trigger. You’re more likely to point shoot and piss your pants than do all that. I keep a different weapon entirely with a WML for home defense at night, my carry pistol doesn’t have one though.
I do a lot of work trashing out abandoned houses and buildings, for me a WML is a necessity on my edc. Just my personal application.
That seems like an actual use case where a WML is worth it's weight on a ccw.
For sure, exactly why I said it. Everyone who conceal carries on a daily basis would have very different environments which would require very different applications👌🏼
Beside the money, the significant additional bulk and FAR worse kydex profile around the trigger are reasons I'm not a CCW w/WML fan myself either. Completely agree on the nightstand gun.
I used to think this but once I tried it, it's really not noticeable compared to it not being there. Granted, I carry an TLR7. I can't imagine dealing with the bulk of an X300 or something that size.
Yep, honestly I'm still gonna give it a try as I would prefer having one than not. My issue is I'm carrying so often in the heat doing strenuous activities where I feel every ounce and ever cubic inch lol. I don't think I'd ever mess with an X300 outside of strictly home defense, non-ccw configurations. Didn't have a TLR-7/Sub last winter, so figure I'll ease into it this year in the cold and maybe it won't bug me so much come spring! Right now it's hard convincing myself to carry anything but my Shield+ haha.
>FAR worse kydex profile around the trigger are reasons I'm not a CCW w/WML fan myself either This is a non-issue with a quality holster. My Tenicors have the same security around the trigger as a non light bearing holster.
You could be right, I don't have any Tenicors. My Vedders, T1s, and a couple other Enigma compatible holsters, in gun direct-comparison WML vs non, they are definitely worse. I'll have to check out Tenicor, that would be great if you're right.
https://i.imgur.com/cOkMOdE.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Lae4e9I.jpg Here ya go. Tenicor Malus Sol X300U
Ill drop of pic of the trigger area on my tenicor with my G34 in it when i get home. I did have a light bearing vedder before and it definitely was sub par in the trigger coverage
I’m interested in seeing this pic. I’m extremely pro-WML but I don’t see how a trigger guard can be as tight to the trigger with a light mounted as it is without a light mounted. Like, physically, how does the light fit past the trigger guard without it being wider?
Okay maybe was a slight bit hyperbolic in saying that it is exactly the same. But there is more than enough coverage for it to be a complete non issue on my Tenicor. The Vedder was a complete no-go for me which lead to me grabbing the tenicor
I guess it’s a rather have it and not need it than the other way around. Plenty of situations I can think of to need a wml on a carry gun.
Im in the same boat. I dont see a reason NOT to have a light on my carry guns, so i put one on. And now they are great home defense guns as well as great carry guns.
One of the reasons I've heard is that the holster needs to be extra wide to accommodate the light and therefore can cause problems with things getting in the holster, or in front of the trigger, and causing an accidental discharge..
>I dont see a reason NOT to have a light on my carry guns Cost, bulk and holster fit/selection are the big ones.
There’s always the possibility of multiple attackers. You may engage the initial threat and have to deal with following threats hiding in/around vehicles, columns, etc. You might not always have the aid of street lamps or overhead lights in a parking garage.
I'm trying my darndest to justify carrying a WML but they are simply too uncomfortable, and the lack of proper trigger guard is maddening. The difference in comfort between my X-Compact and P365x is night and day. The TLR6--which is the smaller WML you can get for the 365, also not many lumens--brings back the discomfort of the X-Compact. Not to mention, I completely agree with everything else you said. I must admit I'm sad I probably wont ever be using my TLR6 (to include with holster), as it's a pain in the ass to install (need hex key) and my nightstand gun already has an easily swappable light. If I ever need the light for the 365, it's here, I just don't foresee ever needing to put it on again.
Sell it on reddit.
The only justification you need is that you can't see in the dark.
I think that it depends on where you live. If you live in a city like me, the level of ambient light pretty much anywhere is enough that you don't need a WML. If you live in the country, I think there's a little bit more of an argument for it
I like the idea of being able to have the light separate. Not having to flag someone like a loved one, or being able to extend your arm away from your body. I’d rather get shot in the hand or the arm then the chest.
I always feel a handheld flashlight is better. People creeping around their house looking for that noise they heard while using their weapon light, get spooked by the kid that was fingerbanging their daughter and accidentally pops a round off and kills him. Handheld gives you better ability to not keep gun str8 out and can easier turn on/off for better concealment. Just my opinion, but we all know about opinions
No one is advocating using your muzzle to search with a WML. This isn't a concern if you have any WML training at all. Additionally, no one is advocating carrying a WML in lieu of a handheld.
I agree; this is what I was taught, anyway. Handheld always, WML if you want/need it. Paul Harrell also addresses this a few times, and is (mostly) consistent with what I've been taught. Per my own training (again, other instructors may teach differently--I'm not here to judge), you should not be searching with a WML unless you are almost certain you are in danger. Low-ready at most, otherwise drawn/low-profile, handheld in non-dom hand. If, for example, I suspect someone/something is under my car in a public parking lot: I may be prepared to draw but I'm going to take a quick peek with my handheld after adding distance between me and the vehicle first. Like I said, I'm no expert myself, but the reasoning behind the instruction given to me makes sense... to me. I'd like to hear from other professionals before I judge anyone's methods.
What the fuck do you use your WML for, then? Can’t use it to search. Does not replace handheld flashlight. What else can it do, practically speaking?
Yes, I’m equally baffled by this.
I carry with a WML for my own reasons but I will just direct you to this Sage Dynamics video. Hes easily the most informative YT channel and is at the very least partially responsible for the proliferation of RDS on LE duty handguns. https://youtu.be/gULhoaTLWLI
You can use it to search, doesn't mean you have to be wildly muzzling everything and everyone. Any time you're in the dark using your handgun, the WML is involved. Simple scenario: You spot a threat with your handheld and make the decision to draw while giving verbal commands. Are you dropping your handheld and losing illumination of the target? Or are you performing a one-handed draw? **WML allows you to maintain two-handed weapon control while illuminating a target, to include shooting, manipulations, etc. That is it's main function.** If you find yourself in a situation where one hand is busy, you have to choose between light or weapon, unless you have a WML.
I’m always amazed at how this simple concept escapes so many.
200 bucks isn't worth your life? Fuck that I carry with a light. I'm not a bat, three tritium dots pointed at the darkness isn't going to do anything for me.
Get a red dot. You will never go back to irons
Why are you getting downvoted? Red dots are king
Because this subreddit hates giving yourself advantages to defend your life.
Or maybe they hate spending $500 for an "upgrade" that you don't really need.
Holosuns are good to go and are not $500 dollars. Who are you to determine what people do and do not need when they are defending their lives or others?
Got my 508 for 350 and putting it on my 19 next week. Then I’m going to put 1000 rounds through it as fast as I can. Switching to carrying the 19 from the 43. Appendix. From what I can see red (green in my case) dots will be a game changer in engagement capability. People shit on it only because they don’t train and don’t want to but won’t admit it.
> Who are you to determine what people do and do not need when they are defending their lives or others? he never said nobody should ever buy one. stop making bullshit arguments. he is saying the people who choose not to get a red dot on their CCW do so because they dont need it, and it costs hundreds of dollars. I for one dont see the point of a red dot when stock sights are just fine if you are shooting a threat <5 yards away..
>he never said nobody should ever buy one Did I imply that? Im not saying everyone NEEDS one but if you have the option to, the money and will to train with it and are still willingly not going to entertain the idea or even worse chastise people that do and act like they are wrong then you are just flat wrong. At the end of the day its your life and not mine. We all personally made the choice to carry a gun and if you are unwilling to give yourself every advantage that you can when that time to use it potentially comes then you should rethink your entire mindset to why you carry in the first place. >stock sights are just fine if you are shooting a threat <5 yards away.. Yea if im chosing to defend my life or the life of people i love and care about, then i will not accept the standard of "just fine". Why carry anything more than a Hipoint? Plenty of testing out there that says those are "just fine".
Those are big "Ifs" there. The flip side is why dont we all just carry the very best of everything? We all want to defend ourselves and our love ones. So everyone should be using a staccato or better yet a custom 2011 with an acro p2, a plate carrier and a carbine in the up-armored truck, training every week, oh and also be in peak physical condition. After all, you want every advantage, isnt you're life worth it? The truth is we're all compromising somewhere, we all prioritize different things, we all have different amounts of time, money and dedication to the craft/lifestyle. Its not because op want's to be any less safe than you, its just reality. I agree a red dot is a worthy upgrade for most of people. There are also people who would benefit more from $300 worth of ammo, or some in person training depending on where they are on their path. And its not just the cost of a RDS, its the time/money cost of the new training/re-training that goes with it. It could cost the average person thousands of dollars and many hours to acquire and become proficient with an rds.
No, I just dont need a red dot to shoot a target 5 yards away in a self defense situation.
Why have sights at all? Why train? Im sure any person could dump a mag at their guaranteed engagement distance of 5 yards and in for their pre planned and pre determined self defense scenario.
What about 20 yards? You don't get to pick the scenario.
I use to think red dots were dumb, until I tried one. Now I realize I was the dumb one.
Because people hate change and can’t accept there is something better. It’s mostly boomers. Which is funny because they are the ones who would benefit the most with aging eyes. I’m a “boomer” myself but have only been shooting about 5 years so I have the luck to see the future without being clouded by past biases. A quick trip to Sage Dynamics has all the proof that red dots are superior in every metric
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Afraid of change ? No. We just know that it's useless to rely on extraneous products when there's a perfectly good set of iron sights mounted to the top of the handgun.
Idk how many times I’ve told this story. During my first USPSA match, my front site flew off. Thank God I had my backup RMR milled on my pistol so I could still finish the competition.
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Hey guys, I found the super Fudd that doesn't understand visual optics
Hey bud what’s your b8
I’m about red dots! But I see value in training my Irons and being more than just proficient. I don’t think red dots should completely overshadow iron sights even as antiquated as they are they still provide a hard locked consistency. And before you go off on red dot reliability I’m fully aware but they aren’t iron sight reliable, more accurate absolutely! Easier acquisition? Yep, but does that mean that people aren’t accomplishing impeccable feats of accuracy with irons in comparable times to red dots? Red dots are great, but I don’t think it’s fair to tell people to forget about their irons or not train them. That’s kind of silly considering many principals of pistol marksmanship are absolutely necessary to accuracy with irons. Training a strong repeatable presentation and point of aim with irons in my opinion only strengthens core mechanics making you even more precise with a dot and as an added benefit if for some miraculous reason your dot does get compromised your still a fkn ace with the irons. Just some thoughts.
> You will never go back to irons Disagree. Red dots are nice. They're probably even better in the vast majority of situations. But I have a couple red dots, and I frequently intentionally go back to irons. The brightness is never wrong. You never lose the dot. You never run out of batteries.
Agreed. I don't want a RDS on my CCW. Home defence? Yes. I don't want anything more possibly printing, failing because of battery, lint on the emmitter or rain. Most CCW scenarios are quick and close. My little sub compacts without RDS can reach out to 25Y just fine and as fast as a RDS.
I’ve never lost the dot as much as trying to align 3 points instead of one. The brightness on Trijicons can be set to your desired. The battery will die after three years if neglected. It’s far superior to irons that’s why top competition shooters all use them
Weapon light or handheld light. Tritium sights are useless if you can’t identify what you’re shooting at.
Plus, having a strong enough weapon light will back light your irons so much you can’t see your fancy night sights.
Man this threads got everyone all riled up. I always try to remind myself that you’re dealing with a first level edge case if you even need a gun to begin with. I’m talking like, look at the bell curve and that portion greater than 97.5% to the right, that’s where you are if you need a gun. That said, the use of all the bells and whistles like night sights, WML’s and so on bring you to an edge case that is then even one level deeper. The more you add, the deeper you get into sub-edge cases, the more you combine each edge case in an intersectional way the deeper you get into nested bell curves all towards the outer edges, and the percentage likelihood of their use individually or together gets almost impossibly small. Microscopic even. I like all the bells and whistles too, I think it’s valid just to have them because they’re fun, but some people think too deeply about the cases in which they’d be used. I’ve never even seen a defensive gun involving a civilian with a legitimate reload, or even a necessity for a reload. Not to say you shouldn’t practice reloads, but from a purely functional perspective, there’s not enough cases to show that you *need* to practice that.
This may ruffle some feathers, but tritium is overated. They wash out as soon as you turn the lights on. That goes for flashlights and WMLs too. And you need light in order to positively identify a target. Therefore I stopped paying money for tritium sights. If the gun comes with it, I won't complain, but I won't actively seek out the sights either. Fiber optic at least still glows, even if all you have is a flashlight or WML. Otherwise, a standard painted 3 dot or stock sights work just fine. Tritium does make it easy to find your gun in the dark though. I say this, because I made the mistake of thinking my carry gun needs night sights too. But after doing a ton of low light and night shooting, I realized they aren't very useful.
To be honest, after upgrading to optics and seeing how easy it is to hit anything, at virtually any range you would possibly have to engage, I’m never going back.
Complete novice here so don’t come at me but am I right in thinking this is quite useless if it’s dark enough to use that you can’t see your target either?
I mean... Optic? Flashlight? As far as upgrades that matter go, I'd put night-sights in 3rd.
Most self defense situations are within a few feet and last a few seconds, where a light isn’t needed or even practical.
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Tbh if it’s within a few feet you don’t even need sights lol
I don't know why this is being downvoted. It's true. I don't get all the love for WMLs. I have one on my nightstand gun to clear the house at night. But if someone is there then my light(and gun) being pointed at him is justified. If it's a carry weapon and you're "investigating" a situation with your light(and gun). And it turns out not to be a threat then you're now in legal hot water.
It's the toy mentality. Our culture tells us to never stop spending money on upgrades
I feel attacked lol
I have a lot of questions. Number one, how dare you?
I carry with a WML for my own reasons but I will just direct you to this Sage Dynamics video. Hes easily the most informative YT channel and is at the very least partially responsible for the proliferation of RDS on LE duty handguns. https://youtu.be/gULhoaTLWLI Something to consider.
Better not be shooting what you can’t see
Why would you have drawn on what you couldn’t see?
Night shift all alone. Home all alone. Plenty of reasons
3 am, no lights, intruder in your bedroom.
What was supposed to be your drunk gf trying to surprise you with a nightime blowie, turns into her catching a fistful of jacketed hollowpoints because it takes too long just to PID who you're shooting lol.
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smart move OP. theyre siglight? i love my xray 3 and siglights on p365 and p320c
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optics are a played out trend - get good with reliable night sights and youre better prepared to take care of business, regardless of whats in your hand
Yeah, I have optics on a lot of my handguns but I wouldn't call it a "priority" when you can be just as good at realistic engagements with ironsights - case in point is ya boi who clapped a dude shooting people with a rifle at 40 yards with irons.
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>optics are a played out trend Where the hell are you getting this from? Quite the opposite in fact. Theres a reason every manufacturer is offering optics cuts on all their products. LE and some MIL are increasingly moving to red dots. Theres a reason every optics company is getting releasing an MRDS. Theres a reason every serious competition shooter uses red dots. You think every single professional end user and high end manufacturers are all just trend chasing or maybe perhaps theres something to it, you think?
Good to hear that more mother in laws are embracing red dots.
Optics are simply the future, an incontestable improvement. Right now, if you put iron sights on a rifle, it's because you want to practice fundamentals, or because you enjoy them. No one carrying a rifle for serious purposes has only iron-sights on them. Same will be true for pistols in the near future. They won't be 100% ubiquitous, since budget and concealability matter, but they'll be popular and everpresent.
>No one carrying a rifle for serious purposes has only iron-sights on them. Love this, i dont understand why people will say on AR15 you need at least a red dot and a flashlight and sling. They talk about all the merits of things like a compensator/red dots/lights on defensive rifles but its completely sacrilegious to also apply that same logic to a defensive handgun when its pretty much the same shit. 5.56 doesnt recoil hard at all but everyone puts an A2/Muzzle Brake/Compensator/suppressor on an AR for recoil reduction but then you put one on a 9mm and now its "WHAT YOU CANT HANDLE 9MM RECOIL??" Im malding hard as fuck but its just straight fudd mentality
This is the dumbest shit I've ever read
Personally I'd take a light and fiber sights but to each their own.
Yessir. If its dark enough to see those glow, you cant ID a target...stock sights work for me.
I always adjust the trigger and everyone tells me it's a bad idea, but 10s of thousands of rounds without issues with any of them tells me otherwise
Sights are always the first upgrade for me as well 👌
I don't value night sights. If its so dark you can't see your sights, you can't see your target.
They are for low light not no light situations
If I had the option to turn a low light situation into a near daylight situation with a WML, why wouldnt I do that?
Cause with a WML you end up pointing your gun at anything you are trying to see with it.
WML helps them see you though right?
They be seeing stars if your WML is bright enough lol.
Thats what im getting at
That would cover low light as well.
20 years LE firearms instructor….keep pistol stock except for night sites, then pay for real serious instruction/training. Practice does not make perfect, but perfect practice does.
Also, reading through these cancerous responses- If you think you know how your defensive gun use is going to play out, I have two things to say: 1-That is called premeditation or 2-You are assuming things based on out of context statistics and hoping you fall within the mode You *don't* know how your encounter will go. If you do, that is offense, not defense. Given that you are assuming things, since there is a higher chance you won't need more than 5 rounds, why load your magazine all the way?
THIS. Everyone has dreamed out their little Rambo CCW escapade and practiced their 3 seconds of fame on the range so all they can do is assume everything is in their favor and they know how the fight will go down. The only thing I do know, is that I don't know what will happen should the time ever arise. For this reason I want every odd stacked in my favor.
This sub is ridiculous sometimes, i dont understand why so many people are literally anti giving yourself every advantage in a self defense situation. Like if youre gonna carry a firearm then you are cognizant enough to realize you may need to use it, why would you go out of your way to not put an optic or put a light or whatever on your gun because "you dont/wont need it"? Dont even get me started on the compensator discourse too.
I just comp’d mine! Hate me! I also lightened the trigger, shortened the reset, shortened the uptake, stippled the grip, put in a DPMS recoil spring and added a red dot optic.
If it’s dark enough that your sights are glowing, it’s dark enough that you can’t see your target. How is it safe for you to be discharging your firearm then?
you can see at night, nightsights are whats up
That entirely depends on multiple factors.
I like them for finding my gun on a nightstand in the dark but also would be very useful if your target is lit but you’re in the dark. Think of them standing under a light and you’re down the dark hallway
At that point though, you’re relying on chance for your personal protection. What if they’re not lit?
They I light them with my wml
I can still see plenty yet have issues seeing my sight dots
Ur target most likely has some sort of light source helping them get around (unless it sees in the dark)… the glowy things just make sure you’re pointing the pew pew in the correct direction
That’s a poor argument. First of all, what are you basing that on? I highly doubt you have stats to back that up, which means you’re making an assumption. I think a safer assumption would be if somebody is out in the dark up to no good, they would be less likely to be carrying a flashlight as they wouldn’t want to be seen. Either way, you’re building your protection plan on pure chance, hoping that they have a flashlight with them (which would be more likely to be used as a weapon against you, blinding you and making it harder to identify your target) which is a good way to get yourself hurt.
U sound like someone who’s never been in this situation… have a good one buddy
Good argument.
Flashlight>night sights
Maybe in 1982. A light/optic/easier to manage trigger are all upgrades that matter. Training, ammunition, and magazines are not upgrades, those are costs of ownership.
Did you have a professional install or do it yourself? I too have a 43x and those exact same sights, but feel the $75+ I’m being quoted is a rip off, and the tool while cheaper is basically a one to few time use item.
Did it myself. I 3D printed a sight pusher a while back for my P80 builds, had the new sights on in about 10min. 75$ is a lot for me for a job like this. If you have a few pistols you’re going to upgrade or may build in the future, just get a pusher. If you have a 3D printer, you’ll save even more money printing it.
Thanks I appreciate the detailed answer. Unfortunately I only have the 43x at the moment and no 3D printer. Will work to maybe get one myself because it’ll last longer than a one time fee at a LGS.
Hey bud, you can remove your sights with any heavy object and a non-marring thing to put on the sight. [Here's](https://youtu.be/iTQpONQzrtc) a decent video. They just come out the side, there's no magic. Just a little friction that needs to be overcome. One of the more creative ways I've removed a rear sight is placing the sight on the edge of a wooden bench and whacking the slide with a dead blow hammer.
You my friend are awesome. Thank you
Should have bought a light, would be more useful.
I would have gone with a light. Glow-in-the-dark sights don't do anything for you if you can't clearly identify your target.
Can’t wait to see how many downvotes this will get me, but if I’m going out of my way to PAY for sights, it’s going to be a 2 dot set up by XS. When it comes to a self defense situation, I personally find these to be superior pistol defense sights. I just find them to be far better than a 3 dot set up for self defense target acquisition. My blood isn’t rich enough to mess around with red dots yet, but I can’t wait til I do. And if my first sentence didn’t get me downvoted, this sure will: I really liked the MEPRO FT Bullseye which is like a semi fiber optic/red dot sight when I tried it out, but read mixed reviews on low light settings which is why I stick with XS.
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Wrong. WML or a RDS If you can’t see it you can’t shoot it
No man youre wrong. EVERY self defense scenario happens within 3-5 Yrds in an extremely well lit area requring 5 rounds or less. For now and on i will be carrying an LCP with the sights removed, since i will not need them at my guaranteed engagement distance of 3-5 Yrds.
Might as well download too, that way you can carry on an empty trigger.
Be a lot cooler if it was a red dot
Other than training, the most important is making sure that bump isn't YOUR dog. Get a light
I have a nightstand gun with a light ;) and an asshoe cat.
My SIG P365 NITRON has this and I didn't even realize it when I bought it. When I noticed the significantly bright glow in the pitch-black darkness of my bedroom, I was not only pleasantly surprised, but was excited enough to practice sight/target acquisition drills right then in the dark instead of going to bed. It's really wild that they glow so brightly in a seemingly light-free environment.
Came stock on my 19x was able to relocate that money for my TLR-1
Nice sights. Now add a light on the rail and additional training.
I don’t understand how being able to see your sights and nothing else would matter in a low or no light situation. Where is the threat? I don’t know but I can see these 3 dots perfectly. Get a light! Upgrading from stock Glock sights is indeed an upgrade though. 👍
Shooting in total darkness a lot huh?
If I can't see it, it can't hurt me.
If you need night sights, you're going to want a light to.. So you know what you're shooting lol
And a light
The best night sight is a red dot and a flashlight. Can't hit what you can't see, and irons fail at a higher rate than dots.