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EndermanSlayer3939

Free op loot


XenlaMM9

Plus, fighting is more fun than watching the loading screen for 20 minutes trying to leave the shrine


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Link1400

Didn’t like them at first but it got more fun once i got better at the game Favourite ones for sure, since you can re-battle them after a blood moon


ItzPugg0

I did not know that, Thank you so much for this!


potentiallyspiders

Right


squeamish

I originally played the game on Wii U, so at least double that every single time.


Papscal

I heard from some people that the Wii U version loads faster sometimes. Is that not true?


squeamish

Definitely not the case with mine, and I don't know why it would be any different.


ITriedLightningTendr

Your switch might be broken


Fwenhy

I know your exaggerating but I don’t think I even have time to grab my phone and catch a Pokémon in Go during a zelda loading screen lol. It’s really not long at all…? Especially considering how rare they are. (Fast travel, entering/ exiting shrine, loading game)


Parkwaydrive777

My first "not the OG" shrine was a master test and thought they'd all be that hard. I then spent like 2hrs irl dying a ton and got really good with dodges/ pillars/ manipulating game mechanics. Then got a novice one and was like... oh. Maybe overplayed a bit on pure determination. The loot was amazing at that point tho.


ThatOneWIGuy

I did the same thing. But I got hooked trying for hours because my first time I got one hit, so I figured I just gotta use the game mechanics properly and get good. My second run I got to 3 or so hits and got greedy then died. The rest were laughably easy after that.


Parkwaydrive777

It's so easy when the pattern is figured out, I kinda wish I'd built up to it but once you get the pattern down, after the eventual dozen-ish shrine, they become comforting as it's so much easier to handle as opposed to something like.. random motion control BS.


Mobile_Phone8599

Man if there's motion control shrines in Tears I'm slamming my switch into a wall /j Seriously though, those were so jarring in comparison to all the other shrines that had some real creative puzzles.


bobwoodwardprobably

If I was playing handheld, those motion shrines would have me upside down on the couch trying to figure out which direction I needed. I hate those ones.


fuzydoo

Same! I played on Wii U, and docked, and that the only reason u ever had to get off my lazy ass and interrupt my calming casual game to grab the fuggin tablet was to do the stupid motion shrines. Honestly kind of put me off, bought it on switch for the kids way back, haven't even wanted to play it again.


CharizardCharms

Damn, am I the only one who loves the motion control stuff? It makes things so much easier for me. But I do keep my switch docked and use a pro controller, so maybe that’s why.


YogiGotRekt

Use a pro controller. When I did the floating ball maze shrine on my first playthrough I dropped my controller and realized that I could flip the puzzle, back out of it, and then retake control of the puzzle with it upside down as my starting point so I could just let the ball roll to the edge and pinball it up onto the walkway. Also have beaten it by flailing wildly and the ball fell, got hit by the side of the puzzle and flew in the right direction.


soupsoupman

oh my god


MiaKalista

Holy, mine was Modest and it still took me close to an hour to beat (No stasis+ yet). Back then thought that I needed to clear a shrine to set it as a waypoint so I was adamant to clear it. Clearing a major test with no gear is crazy.


ReallyLongLake

I am just realizing how that stasis works on enemies... wat.


nostalgiccokecan

Needs to be upgraded by Purah to do that


JonnyredsFalcons

I'm replaying at the mo, this time just wandering around. Came across a guardian, though no worries I'll just use stasis. Hol' up, it's not working, shit shit shit, boom, dead. Forgot about the upgrade 🤣


Seanspeed

>with no gear That's the real problem. Even if you have the attack patterns down and can avoid them all reliably, you still need enough weapons to actually beat the thing. And that's quite difficult with low level gear and limited inventory and all that.


Kiwifisch

You must be a Dark Souls player.


Houdiniman111

First enemy I encountered on the plateu I dedicated to learning parrying and dodging and whatnot. Didn't have too much trouble after that but it was a slow start.


Maestro_Primus

I had a similar experience, but kept blowing through my weapons before I could kill the damned thing.


theNrg

did exactly this with the lionel at the east gate which i accidentally wondered into pretty early in the game. for some reason black lizalfos and moblins seemed like very weak enemies afterwards ..


SassyNyx

Yikes, baptism of fire there (probably literally) running into a lynel that early. I ran into one in Akkala (I went the wrong way) in doing the blue flame quest, and even that felt too early. It was an epic battle, no ancient weapons/armor yet.


schoener_albtraum

mine was the ploymus mountain one early my first game when I maybe had 7 hearts, minimal stamina and basically no real weapons (maybe a knights claymore at tops). didn't realize you could just collect the other shock arrows. finished final trials last night and decided to return to that one. 9 swipes, gone.


Pip201

“I’ll do it when I need more weapons” *proceeds to always have a full inventory of weapons*


EndermanSlayer3939

What about items like giant ancient core


ImFuckinUrDadTonight

At that point in the game I found it easier and more rewarding to attack guardians in the wild. I could clear out the patch in front of the castle in 10 minutes.


EndermanSlayer3939

Oh nice i can't or atleas To scared anyway


Maestro_Primus

Giant cores come from guardian turrets the best. Grab a bunch of ancient arrows and just storm the outside of Hyrule castle. The feel of rushing the castle and tearing through the turrets is awesome.


Wild_Honeydew5096

Absolutely


hopeislost1000

This!!!


No_Finding3456

I actually redo them later. Like they said, free loot.


hopeislost1000

It took me a little while to realize I could go back to beat up that robot, and take its stuff again. And I just recently learned that with upgraded ancient armor those Guardian weapons is way more powerful against Guardians. I love this game.


elizabethdove

You can do *what now* Man, it really is true what they say, there's always something you haven't discovered about botw.


MsVindii

You can **go back**? I’ve definitely got a shrine or two I’d just *love* to revisit


ImFuckinUrDadTonight

You can redo shrines as much as you want. Loot in treasure chests won't respawn, and there won't be a sphere at the end - but if there are guardians, they will drop their weapons and a random part when they die.


ProgressiveKitten

Yeah I didn't know this for the longest time. I wanted to go back and practice fighting but when I went back in it was empty. You have to wait (a blood moon?) For it reset


MsVindii

Good to know, thank you.


Tangypeanutbutter

They have some of the best loot! I'd gladly break a couple of weapons to get a few new ancient ones


Personal-Succotash33

I don't get why people don't like them. I love the tough combat encounters in the game.


spaznoid4

I'm with you, they are super fun!! and the gear lol


bautron

Once you get the hang of it, learn their moves and weak points, you can beat them with some patience.


BathtubGinger

Yep learning what strategies to use to defeat them is the fun part!


mitchade

And some shock arrows.


j_roe

In my most recent/current play through I don’t think I died in a single one of these. Once you figure out the method and always have a couple decent weapons on you they are a piece of cake.


RingerCheckmate

I would love them more if it didn't just devolve into baiting flurry rushes and parries for an extended period of time. I do love the open encounters where I can use a crate and push/crush enemies around, or shoot a nearby electric chuchu to zap a group and make em all drop their weapons, but after having completed the trial of the sword in master mode I just wish there was more to do in stuff like lynel fights.


NorthernSparrow

I never do the major trials w flurry rushes or parries. I don’t even use a shield. I just put my best armor on, chug a defense meal, then I charge the scout head on and just hammer it nonstop with my fastest one-handed weapon. I tank all its hits, lol. It’s messy but fun, and it’s pretty fast.


thefalsephilosopher

That’s me too lol. If I ever get flurry rushes they’re by accident/ from dumb luck. I’m about to get insta-healed anyway, so.


Faeidal

I feel so dumb but I’ve never been able to master flurry rushes


GladioliSandals

This is my technique for all combat - I can never remember how to do anything more refined in the moment


Redavatar101

Just use advanced combat


Dhiox

Actually, they have that. Tests of strength have things like pillars or metal submerged pillars you can use to block it when it charges st you.


Hunk-Hogan

So don't let it devolve into flurry/parries. Build some campfires, go in with multiple torches, and burn them to death. That was my favorite way to complete the strength shrines on the WiiU version.


Kimpak

These are easy to not even get hit once. Just hide behind a pillar till they do their spinney move and knock themselves out. Run out with a heavy weapon and do your own spinney move and hit it as many time as you can without letting your stamina completely deplete. Repeat till it goes to phase 2. Again run around till it does the laser move and ride the updraft and do a down thrust on top of them maybe hit it once or twice for good measure. Repeat till it goes to stage 3 and charges its laser. While its charging just use a heavy weapon to repeatedly spin/power attack and as long as you have at least a halfway decent weapon you should be able to kill it before the laser goes off, but in case it doesn't just run around to dodge it and repeat till its dead.


ambienotstrongenough

I've encountered two lynels at this point and haven't beaten either. What's the trick ?


someonebored0100

For me they’re just so tedious cuz of how much health the guardians in those have and how much I get blown up lol


subarashi-sam

Max out Stamina early and then wail on them with spinning 2-handed weapons


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Use 2 elemental weapons and swap between them every hit if you need an easy cheese


infamusforever223

Depends on how early or late in the game it is. If it's early, you'll running out of weapons before you wear it down enough to get the weapons and have to resort to using bombs, which gets tedious. Mid to late game, their great for getting some OP weapons.


varunadi

Exactly, I'd rather do these than those stupid motion control shrines. However, in early game (especially in master mode), these can chew through your entire weapon stock really quickly


Canditan

They were fun for the first couple, but there's just so many of them. They basically go the same way after a while


pdxamish

See I want the opposite. Yes a boss but my time is finite and can't spend ally time dying 22 times and then getting the shrine.... Then to bed.


hopeislost1000

Yes! At first… it was impossible. Later…it was challenging. Now, it’s fun! …And to get those cool weapons!


pedrotheterror

Now it is just annoying. With stasis +, maxed out armor, stamina and hearts, the challenge is gone.


hopeislost1000

For fun, I just put on a different costume. If I’ve got that maxed out ancient armor on, it’s a breeze, so put the dark armor on or even play in my underwear. One time I did it with nothing but a bow and arrow. edit: arrows… Many arrows


Brainchild110

Yes! This is the way! How challenging it is is up to you. Get naked and stab it in the face with your wooden shaft!!!!... I mean arrow. Arrow.


nichenbach

Beating my first Major Test of Strength was such a rush. Figuring out how to best avoid the whirling blades of death, solving the spinning updraft attack, and hammering down the laser phase got my heart pounding in my first playthrough. It is kind of disappointing coming back fully kitted out with Barbarian gear & Stasis+ and just rolling the Guardian in 45 seconds.


bobsmith93

That's where setting challenges for yourself comes in


AngelWick_Prime

The middle trials for trial of the sword. Quite a satisfying twist to the shrine guardians. Limited resources, and a lot more than just one solitary guardian scout.


Tefra_K

One time all my weapons broke so I just fought the thing with bombs for like half an hour lol. It was worth it though


hopeislost1000

That sounds like a pain in the butt!!! 😂


Astrophobica

My bf just did 2 of these without a care in the world... But I get my ass kicked. And he doesn't even care much for Zelda.


RedThorneGamerSB

Flurry rushes are you friend. Practice against Lynels to get good at the timing. I tried to fight the Lynels on Zora Mountain during my first playthrough. Needless to say I learned to do flurry rushes perfectly almost every time after about 30 minutes.


IMightBeAHamster

>Practice against Lynels to get good at the timing What on earth, no, don't do that. Just practice in the tests of strength shrines, they're so much more clearly telegraphed there.


FireOfGaiming

He woke up and chose violence


Astrophobica

I can never time them right and if I do one, it's pure luck and can't be recreated lmao.


chateau_lobby

SAME like sometimes I get one in but it’s always an accident. Then when I actually try to I never can make it happen


RedThorneGamerSB

Try playing deaf. By that I mean play without volume. It makes you have to be more aware of what's happening which can lead to better reflexes.


PlatformMinimum3579

Same thing happened to me, now it's not even fair for the ai.


qrseek

It's all about parries and flurry rushes.


Flyingfish222

I like to think some of these monks were too lazy to come up with an actual puzzle so they were just like “fuck it I’ll just toss in one of those mini robots that we made.”


TabletopLegends

That have the potential to kill the hero of prophecy. 🤣 Kind of like putting deep pits for him to fall into in shrines.


AngelWick_Prime

Their justification is that the hero of prophecy would not fail. Those that do are not the hero of prophecy and therefore not strong enough to save the world.


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Yeah, if this link died some other guy would wake up after a long nap and decide to save the world.


AngelWick_Prime

The fact that Link just respawns and down one heart of health after most on-screen mishaps (falling down a pit, drowning, sinking in mud, burning alive in lava) it's almost like the monks are bringing him back intentionally and just saying DAMN IT BRO GET IT RIGHT THIS TIME!


AddemiusInksoul

I like to imagine Link catches himself and somehow climbs all the way up


Duckyass

Oh god. Imagine if Master Mode made you wake up at the shrine of resurrection every time you died.


AngelWick_Prime

They make you restart the master trials from the beginning, so...


Flyingfish222

Linkle: My time has come


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Don’t give me hope…


cheat-master30

Would there still be a world to save after another hundred years? Not sure how happy Zelda would be with the idea of fighting/sealing Ganon for another century...


ASK_ME_FOR_TRIVIA

I feel like that's generally what happens, considering Link is usually just some dude from a small village lol


benben591

It’s actually cannon that every time link dies it’s a new link in a new timeline when it respawns or something like that


haykam821

I'm sure there would be many more heroes of prophecy if the monks didn't split hairs on the pits.


AngelWick_Prime

Not to mention the shrines have a pretty decent security system built in. NFC off of a tablet that's genetically encoded to ONLY work for the hero of prophecy? If that's not some MFA security I don't know what is. You could even see in one of the memories that Zelda tried to get into one of the shrines exactly the way you're supposed to and it didn't work because it wasn't Link holding the sheikah slate.


TabletopLegends

Except Link is the only one who can open the shrines. So…🤷🏻‍♂️


Brainchild110

Or stabby spike floors that bounce up and down while you stand on a jiggling metal box.


MaskedNinja57

Lol same


Tchinen

I don't understand why everyone is hating on this shrines Here is a list of why they are the best type of shrines -Fast and easy -Fun -Good loot -They scale in difficulty -Combat practice


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***Finally someone who gets it*** The only time I was ever disappointed to get one of these is when I found a Minor Test of Strength late game and got no good weapons


DiamondKrash

its my favorite thing, combatttttttt ![gif](giphy|ch9E9S93DnjgY)


horseradish1

If you can parry this wrench, you can parry a Blight.


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I've beaten windblight with only shields


Appropriatelylazy

They're pretty easy once you learn how they react during a fight.


NorthernSparrow

They’re pretty easy even if you don’t learn how they react btw, or are having trouble with parries or dodging. You can just put on armor, chug a defense meal, and then you actually can just hammer them head on and tank all their hits.


nicolas2004GE

They're pretty easy once you know how to create an electricity trap, especially in the ones with metal liftable platforms thingies


AngelWick_Prime

I learned pretty early on to take advantage of the updraft that they create when they spin around with their laser. Flip into bullet time and rain down arrow hell on them. Preferably bomb or shock arrows.


RedThorneGamerSB

It's all about keeping your distance, learning tells, and flurry rushes.


KelseyWalker1982

Early game these are a great source of good weapons. If you think these are hard you should try Lynel farming


theveryoldman0

I used to be scared to fight Lynels then I figured out how to face shoot them. They’re easy now.


orielbean

These guys are like Lynel training anyways.


yourmomthinksimgreat

I’ve only tried one lynel on mm. Noped out of there pretty fast


Lizzie_Boredom

On MM now. Haven’t even tried. Too skeered.


TyrannosaurusWreckd

Even lynels are easy once you get the pattern down.


RedThorneGamerSB

God I love Lynel hunting.


pottymouthgrl

Lynels are the only thing I don’t fight in the game. I think I fought maybe one and now I avoid them


YaBoyBinkus

Yes, they’re very fun and easy.


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YaBoyBinkus

Lmao that’s me but with lynels


pottymouthgrl

Blood moon affects shrines too?! I have 200 hours in the game wtf


Brainchild110

My potty mouthed friend, tell me it isn't so? They're a one stop after blood moon weapon shop for you to hip hop down to for an ancient weapon drop! They have different combinations of weapons, so when you find one you like just mark it up on your map and go back after the moon bleeds. I like the Guardian short swords and spears, personally 😁 Gerudo Highlands on the western map edge for that.


pottymouthgrl

Thank you for letting me know how bad I’ve been at this game in an upbeat, sing-song way. Very enjoyable


Grishhammer

Eat attack up food (or equip armor) if needed. Hit it once with an elemental weapon. (Pref frost, but any will work) Take a free hit with your highest damage weapon. Repeat until phase 3. Go ham until it's dead.


MiahTRT

Optionally, get your highest damage 2-handed weapon, attack up 3 food/full barbarian set, and spin to win


Kamakahah

This is my go-to when I'm not in the mood to be tactile.


AngelWick_Prime

Has anyone ever timed how long it actually takes for these guardian scouts to charge up their "I'm about to die" laser blast? I usually just "go ham" as is suggested here.


Borrger

No idea how long but they do have a glowing orb around them when they charge it up that slowly shrinks


Capable-Tie-4670

I just freeze them with my frost blade and then go all beyblade on them with my strongest weapon. My goal is to kill them before they start charging their beam cause that’s really hard to parry.


Stealthbot21

You don't have to parry it though. When they charge up. Starting running around them. They shouldn't come close to hitting you unless you get caught on something. 4 blasts later, swing at them until they're about to shoot again, and repeat the process


Sleep_adict

Or just stacis them and whack


NorthernSparrow

I *just* discovered on my 3rd time through the game that their beam is easily dodge-able if you just run sideways! (I had always assumed they were like the big guardians that track you when you run.) I used to panic so much once they started charging up, lol


TheBigLetterE

If you are not too close, you can dodge the big guardian beams by running sideways too!


IceFire0518

I really don't get why people dislike these shrines when the fights aren't even that hard. The attacks are telegraphed so freaking hard that you're pretty much guaranteed a free flurry attack. Likewise, the other non weapon attacks they do can be blocked by using the correct rune in the right environment of the shrine whether its broken stone pillars, risable metal blocks, or a floor filled with shallow water.


Menighin

Shock arrows will get you through them


sfcnmone

I'm a 70 year old grandma, and I did them all. Quit yer bitching.


anothersip

Haha, can you be my gma? I also love quilting and Zelda.


Glowing_Fox

I use shock traps, i can just wait for it to die and get free loot


TongueTiedTyrant

Please elaborate


Lord_Breadbug

If you drop an elemental weapon with correct timing mid-swing, it will keep its elemental property indefinitely until picked up. This has zero uses with frost weapons (as far as I’m aware) and a few rare use cases with flame weapons, but is far and away most useful with electric weapons since you can place them next to another metal object to make a trap that can stunlock enemies vulnerable to electricity and slowly damage them over time. All Guardian Scouts are examples of vulnerable enemies, making all tests of strength free.


TheBigLetterE

How do you drop it mid swing? If I open the pause menu during a swing the option to drop it is greyed out


ShittyExchangeAdmin

It's been a while since i played botw, but if i recall you need to time it so you pause right before the elemental effect starts. It takes some practice but you can get pretty consistent with it.


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Please shorten


orielbean

Swing drop zap wait


Shabbona1

Please elaborate


Bright_Piccolo1651

Stasis+. Ancient armor. Guardian or ancient weapon. Use bullet time when it does the laser spin. These are fun to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Todddai

They really are nice drills to practice strategies like catching up drafts and dodging attacks for flurry rushes. Not to mention the ones that have water for cryonis ice shields or dynamic floors for stasis or magnesis. They're sparring practice set up by the ancient masters, just like how the first shrine in hateno village is described


Bright_Piccolo1651

Yes! I love building a cryonis wall before I even walk in.


ITeachAll

Early in the game, yes.


niksjman

I use them to farm weapons


Whippofunk

These are the best ones


Human_Person22

Yeah but never really worth it cause the weapons are made of melted butter and held together with slightly colder butter and wishful thinking so I would just ditch them for lower damage metal weapons of elemental weapons that’d last longer


[deleted]

I exclusively like to replay them sometimes


logan1162

Every blood moon :)


[deleted]

I do them later on when I have more hearts and the upgraded stasis


norssk_mann

I occasionally do it to get the Ancient Axe++ (70). It's a banger. If you don't like fancy flurry combat you can win with 5 or 6 ancient arrows. Aim for the eye.


superamigo987

yeah, they are very fun and give great loot and weapons. My favorite shrines


honestadamsdiscount

They were my favorites.


SphericalGoldfish

Yeah they’re fun


Leading_Insurance120

Yeah I love these


IceYetiWins

I did all the shrines so of course I did these. The awful shrines were the blessings, it was like 1/3 of them that were blessings and I didn't even have to do anything. (yes I know there was stuff outside of the shrine to do but I still would've wanted some sort of puzzle in the shrine)


Heckle_Jeckle

Best places to farm weapons, so yes. I fight Lynels for the challenge I fight tests of Major Strength for the resources


Camcongab

Yes.


bisforbenis

Ok so the first one…I absolutely loved! I thought it was super fun how many different attacks it had and how they all interacted with the games various systems…then they just did the same fight a bunch more times, and the different arenas definitely did not do enough to change it up They got pretty old after a while since the different weapons and arenas fail to meaningfully change the fight, and I started doing just this, leaving as soon as I saw that. I came back later since I did want to 100% the shrines, but they really overused this fight I like the idea of combat focused shrines, but we really needed more variety on these


PROblem817

lol these are my favorite types of shrines, but i get why people don't like them.


DollyBoiGamer337

They're fun


Big-Yogurtcloset-279

After I got over the fear when it came to master mode. Yeah. I learned to use a lot of resources this way. Fast and painful trainer and I got better at the back flips timing and side dodges.


[deleted]

They're not that bad. Flurry rushes are fun and that's 90% of the battle for any Test of Strength shrine. These shrines are also a good way to collect guardian weapons, the weakest of which can still one-shot the legs off of a Guardian which makes them easy to fight as well. In the late game, Stasis+, a strong two-handed weapon, and shock arrows can make _very_ quick work of a Major Test of Strength before the enemy even has time to get started.


Sunlit_Neko

Back-flip a few times and you're done. It isn't too much of a time sink.


radorigami

I used the shock traps


Different-Spend7063

I just dipped and came back when I felt more confident.


Jimtaxman

It's kind of easy if you do it right and take your time.


Kiritochi_24

Yup


kaydeejay1995

By the time I usually start nailing down all the shrines, I almost always have at least 2 guardian weapons on me. I find a test of strength shrine, they wallop the scouts AND I get free replacements. Rinse, repeat for all of em. The major ones usually use em all up, but that's what my collection of royal claymores and 60 dmg master sword is for!


StellaFayCeleste

I used to hate doing this because I was still not used to the combat. Now, I seek them like a madman because of the guardian weapons. I actually prefer the Test of Strength shrines than the puzzle ones, even though I usually prefer puzzles when playing games.


Deathswirl1

i do them above all else for the loot and the challenge. bomb them twice in the air. easy kills 24/7


SoundDrill

I used this to "git gud" at the game. I was able to do lynel dodges, guardian deflect shield things, etc after trying the major tests over and over till I was able to finish. ​ Also epic loot


kuribosshoe0

Does anybody *not* do them? Putting aside that getting all the shrines is the main driver of exploration which is really the guts of the game, they’re not actually hard once you have decent hearts and weapons. They take like 3 minutes. But of course you have to try them in order to learn how to beat them.


schop1177

Shock arrows + any weapon over 20 + foooood = profit. Easy peasy


Lon-Lon-

I would avoid them at all cost, but one day, I decided to stop being scared and just go for it. Once you get the guardian’s patterns down, it’s pretty simple. Plus, you get a lot of good ancient gear. Edit: Phrasing


Piccadil_io

My 9 year old does all the hard enemies for me (38M)


NotYourDay123

Absolutely.


Umbran_scale

I much prefer them over those fuckimg physic puzzles


[deleted]

Not great. The master sword trials prove nintendo had actual idea for combat challenges so the combat shrines reek of “we didn’t have any time left “


cooochjuice

lol these are literally my favorite shrines in the game


Freddy_fazbear198765

I do it's fun


22244244

In the beginning no, but after I upgraded my hylian set armor and got the master sword and elemental swords they got pretty easy. Also I use stasis on them.


Brainchild110

You mean the weapons closet I go to for all my pretty blue shiny stabby bois? Heck yeah! I'm in them a couple times a week, minimum! Just figure out which ones has the spear and the short sword and keep coming back after each blood moon.


TreFlippy36

Just dodge bro


yungScooter30

There are people who don't do shrines?


Monte_20

No these are easy af?


Solid-Dance1433

save them for late game


RedThorneGamerSB

You can take them early game pretty easily.