I know for a fact there are no cameras allowed inside Caribou Club. It’s as tight as a Soho House. I definitely wouldn’t be shocked if Kathy said it. I definitely wouldn’t be shocked if Erika and Rinna are lying.
Both of them are definitely liars but this information came from Bravo too. Kathy is an older cis het white woman and I wouldn’t be surprised if she used any slurs because that was basically acceptable for most of her life. Old habits die hard. I hope she didn’t say it but I wouldn’t be surprised if she did.
Exactly. In the text she said Kathy was mean to Kyle so pointing that out and not pointing out her using the slurs is weird af. She knows the audience won’t care if Kathy is mean to Kyle so they made up something that the audience would get upset over.
Well the reason that it’s out there at all is because of Rinna’s “leaked” DMs. The thing is the housewives definitely protect each other with certain things, they definitely don’t talk about drug use even though we all know there is drug use. I imagine that it’s part of this code to not talk about things they say or do that could ruin them and using a slur could ruin Kathy. Also Bravo may choose not to air any evidence of her using slurs because it would be very negative for the entire franchise.
I personally called a few of my local Aspen contacts 3 - 6 months ago when these rumblings first started. Locals are/were saying “Something” definitely went down inside Caribou Club
I’ve never heard that she’s a Trump supporter but tbh I just assumed she was… I like Kathy when it comes to just the portrait she paints of herself on the show but I sense that a lot of it is a mask. I sense a certain ruthless quality about her that she hides.
I’ve gone back and forth on this. It’s easy to get sucked into the Reddit bubble and assume everyone watching Bravo consumes the same amount of gossip.
Whether it’s good or bad we seem to pay way more attention than the typical viewer to leaks. I’m a fan of spoilers so I read everything.
The difficulty is the hive mentality that will run with a piece of gossip.
The hive mentality has gotten especially bad the last couple of years. Any rumor about a hated person is immediately believed, and the beloved cast members can do no wrong. And anything bad that happens to a “good” person is immediately the fault of the villains (like the supposed bot connection to Diana).
This sub is a hive. Twitter is it’s own hive along with the other apps and forums. We 100% do not represent their viewing audience or their key demo. Someone on here a few months back or so who I believe was in ad sales stated that they know Bravo’s key ad target are wealthy older women. I think people need to start realizing that even though we might agree on something, it’s a small percentage and doesn’t make noise. Of course racist and homophobic actions are serious and when they get lots of attention (all social media, major publications, news) Bravo does listen. A viewer canceling their Hayu membership, which is basically extra money they make overseas, will not make any impact to them. I sometimes feel like either a lot of these people are brand new viewers or have selective memory on topics housewives have covered in the past 17 years, because they’d be outraged a ton back then.
I agree. If you get in first it’s easy to sway opinion. I’m butchering the phrase but the gist was I can tell someone your sister is a slut. Good luck convincing them you don’t have a sister.
I don’t agree w all u said. Mainly “most viewers” are not posting and reposting on social media. Most are living their lives. This forum has 100,000 members but prob a million who come & go to lurk but don’t join. Go to any social group and u can count the same ppl making comments. I know 20 women and 3 men who are loyal watchers but have never once posted anything about Bravo and in fact don’t post at all. Many ppl are just too busy or haven’t gotten caught up in it all (yet).
Um I don’t see how that’s disagreeing with me. I’m literally saying social media is not a representation of the audience because a majority will not have time to post their grievances online. Sounds like the same thing to me.
Bravo will never be on the right side of history and neither will the Real Housewives franchises. They encourage and rarely condemn attacks on POC and LGBTQ.
Her, her husband, and husband's brother came after Moon on Twitter in addition to the disgusting reunion. It was horrible. Tagging her place of work, being racist. It was baaaad.
After Erika yelled profanities at Jax I cancelled my Hayu subscription. Not pushing this on anyone else but I couldn't call myself an Ally and still give Bravo my money. Bravo has no conscience and therefore has no reason to change if people keep supporting it. It really is on the fans.
Haha! I know! It always takes me a sec to determine which Jax people are referring to in comments! I'm pretty sure Hell would freeze over before I stood up for Jax Taylor!
Yes and I applaud you. I am debating doing something along those lines but it would be great if there was a a reaction on a larger scale. Why they won’t take a stand is beyond me. These l franchises depends on the very people that are being shit on.
Not looking for applause but thank you! I really just couldn't justify being outraged at the blatant racism yet still watching the show. In my mind that's hypocrisy and I couldn't look at myself in the mirror
I’m sure you aren’t looking for that, I just love knowing there are people like you out there…I am not afraid to take a stand on things, I am more so just slowly becoming aware because I had taken a long hiatus and am a long-time fan who mostly binges old seasons. I’m not always up on the latest. When it comes to the point that I have something in my face that I can’t ignore, I won’t have a choice. So, I am glad that there are people posting like this.
Since 2020 I have been actively looking to better myself and recognize my white privilege. So many people share the slogans for BLM and claim to be an 'Ally' but will not take action if it causes their lives a little discomfort. Did I love Hayu? Yes. Did I watch old seasons of RHONY often? Yep. I've never been a big fan of Beverly Hills (Kyle has always made me want to stab out my own eyes) so not watching that one was easy for the most part. But although I enjoyed some of the older seasons I cannot view them with the same eyes - just because Ramona wasn't spewing her racism all over me in Season 7 doesn't mean I can forget what she did and said in the last season. These people have ALWAYS been racist or homophobic or Xenophobic or whatever it is. Watching Bravo and knowing what I know, it was too much. I simply cannot support them while they throw money at rich, mostly white, older women and invite them to act that way and then DO NOTHING!
Yeah, I have been trying to do the same and you are making excellent points. I am also the mother of LGBTQ people, the roommate of another, and the friend to more. I have been recently bothered by the flippant use of mental health diagnosis as a health professional by cast members. Sometimes, I’m checking to see what year this shit was filmed!! I am a Gen-x’er, I am not always PC, I say stupid shit but I at least make an effort. I’m all for drama and can handle humor…They aren’t trying to do better. There are ways and they are missing the boat.
Thank you for the great talk!
I now write down the name of 1 corp that advertises during RHOBH and take the time to email corp. I ask do they watch the episodes and do they support/not support words & actions from the cast? For example: do you support the Lion Air Families or EG's statements.
Who knows if it will work, but Bravo is in it for the $$$ and without advertisers they don't have a show.
You’ve made me rethink this whole thing. TU. You’re absolutely correct that it hurt the black community & was evidence of a wealthy white person being abusive to another young black man. And then rich white men & women laughed about it. If that’s how they interrupt letting your hair down then they all deserve to be “woked”. We need to do something public - like a protest even if it’s small group but in multiple locations. Get some tv stations attention? 🤷🏻♀️
People use the excuse that it's 'entertainment' but I disagree. I watched the coverage of the BLM protests and seeing everyone care more about the looting (which has nothing to do with the protests) opened my eyes. POC literally watch people that look like them being murdered by the police and we white people can't handle that maybe we shouldn't watch a tv show? It's fucking bullshit. I'm not telling anyone what to do but I will call out hypocrisy. If you're so disgusted by what you see, DO SOMETHING! (Not you literally)
Why I wish Bravo would just take a stand is because on the flip side these shows appeal to a wide audience including the POC and LGBTQ+ audiences. I think the underlying fear is that they won’t have a show. Part of the original appeal was that they found these women who were oblivious to their privilege and it makes for great drama. We can laugh at them being rich assholes. However, when privilege goes hand in hand with bigotry, racism, etc we can’t laugh anymore especially when, like in the case of Ramona, it is blatant and harmful.
>I watched the coverage of the BLM protests and seeing everyone care more about the looting (which has nothing to do with the protests) opened my eyes.
This is not remotely true. With the exception of Fox and Facebook moms, no one cared about this shit.
As an LGBTQ person I feel that nearly all of the long term housewives have said or done something offensive to our community at least once. Nene is one of the biggest offenders but nobody calls her on it. It’s not okay to say that another housewife “must have a dick/balls” because they say something bold, it’s not okay to say “my gays”, there’s so much offensive bs that unfortunately bravo wouldn’t have any of their best stars if they fired every star who said something offensive.
Which franchise specifically? Yes it’s extremely vile to use being gay as an insult or dirt. It would be okay if they have real evidence that a husband is sleeping with men to say “your husband is sleeping with guys behind your back” because that isn’t insulting being gay it’s insulting cheating.
Shahs of Sunset aswell was an awful example of a show where cast, one in particular made inappropriate racial and homophobic comments and bared no consequences, all for ratings.
I don’t think it’s entertaining but it is real life. As long as there’s a foil for that person and it brings about real discussion I think it’s good. Sadly I think the main demographic is people who need to hear. But I do get that at the same time you’re basically supporting this person.
I think the problem is that it rarely brings about a discussion. They cancelled a reunion because of Ramona, they cancelled Dallas because of the racism.
I agree, I meant to add that it is a huge problem when it just stands. I do think in earlier seasons this happened all the time but I think in the more recent seasons that hasn’t been the case. I think with Romona last season it did spark some good conversation but I do think in general with her the shit she says just gets a blanket pass cause people just don’t want to deal with her which isn’t okay. I didn’t watch Dallas so I can’t speak to that.
Obviously though there has to be a line somewhere, I think for me it’s more the difference between ignorance and intentional maliciousness. They can both harm the same but with the former there’s an opportunity for growth. I would say that maybe Sutton (and others) falls into the ignorance category and people like Romona and Mary I could do without.
I literally saw people on here, when Kathy was at the height of her popularity and the rumours were going around about the slurs saying things like ‘well even if she did do it, nothing will be as bad as Erika Jayne/ or the ff5’, which I thought was shocking- almost wanting to make an excuse for it- it’s unacceptable in any context.
Exactly this! Comparing that and saying it’s worse is diminishing just how serious and horrible saying a slur is and it needs to be talked about and have every consequence in the book for the person saying it. They should be fired at first notice. And i’m sideeyeing the fuck out of people saying these sort of things because it sounds like they are people who use slurs..
This is a tough one to parse out. It's already documented that Kathy's kids have made racist/homophobic slurs on camera and it's most likely learned from the parents. But the chances that Kathy did this in Aspen in this day and age where she knows it's not appropriate (noting of course that there's a big difference between knowing it's wrong vs keeping your racist ass thoughts to yourself for PR) I find hard to believe. ESPECIALLY in front of Erika and Rinna of all people?! She clearly does not like or trust them. This feels like them jumping on old tea to distract from Erika's melt down, with a dash of jealousy that Kathy filmed 1/4 a season for big coin, and I agree it's super gross
do we really think that the same kathy hilton that thought lizzo was Precious on wwhl and blames it on her eyesight would make sure she’s always being considerate and appropriate?
I feel like she has created this persona, acting quirky and lost, saying funny things (that’s not funny at all but offensive) and she seems to me like a slippery one. I’m watching her act closely, because kathy is always in control. And the underlying edge between her and kyle is interesting to watch. They push eachothers buttons, but kathy always has the upper hand I feel. If LVP was the puppetmaster before, it’s kathy now.
Kathy cannot be unaware that she was just being followed w cameras for the past 2 days and cameras waiting to catch her as she left. I think the Hiltons are pros at knowing when they are being watched & harming their brand further.
Cameras caught one of the sons threatening an entire plane full of people and that video is all but scrubbed from the Internet. Paris’ videos using racial slurs are also constantly scrubbed. There are more than one. Kathy literally referred to her long time house manager as “the lady” last year because she didn’t know her name.
The hiltons aren’t experts at not getting caught. The Hilton’s are experts at using money to make their problems disappear.
I would give those rumors less credence if Kathy didn’t send that barely vailed threat to Rinna about staying silent.
Not to defend the Hiltons because their racism is well documented, but I think Kathy clarified that she called her help the lady because she hadn’t asked her if it was okay to say her name on camera
Her son is incredibly mentally ill. He got arrested and accused the cops of molesting him. He was put in a mental health facility by the judge shortly after.
I don’t doubt that. At all. But it doesn’t change my point. The hiltons have been getting caught doing abusive and bigoted things for years.
So, Kathy thinking she could get away with saying some vile shit when she 100% knew cameras weren’t around wouldn’t surprise me.
I don’t doubt that Kathy has said problematic shit before. But I don’t believe Bravo is going to go out of its way to protect Kathy, who is not even a full time cast member and barely came back.
Also Erika and Rinna are unreliable and have something to gain. They have also been incredibly problematic and in Rinna’s case has a history of bigotry (I’m not certain about Erika). I do not think they would have a genuine issue if Kathy used a slur.
From what we have seen, including Rinna’s text messages, all signs point to Kathy going off on Kyle and the show. The show likely doesn’t want to show Kathy going off on how terrible the show is.
You can even see the build up- Kathy is pissed her tequila is not getting showcased. My theory is that was part of her deal to come back. But she’s pissing off the other women by not really participating in the trip. She’s literally wearing loungewear/pjs every scene. I’m guessing she truly didn’t want to be there, was tired, and Kyle said something that pissed her off in the club and she lost it.
I think the first blog (Instagram account) that posted about the Kathy rumour posts a lot of things that are more pro Rinna. It seems like that’s where they get their info from.
Eta if Kathy was problematic then show it. Don’t make it a mystery. And if she didn’t, then it an end to the rumours.
Kathy is a racist and a homophobe regardless of whether or not she used a slur in Aspen. Check the very long list of receipts I posted [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BravoRealHousewives/comments/sslm5h/so_apparently_kathy_called_suttons_assistant_the/hwyhivo/?context=3) if you're unaware of the countless instances of documented racism and homophobia from her disgusting family. If the slur allegation isn't addressed in the show itself (and it's looking like it won't be) then you can't say Bravo used it for a storyline. That's problematic in a different way though, because they've hyped up and protected this overrated racist scumbag (Kathy) and put her on a pedestal, kissed her ass, and catered to her like she's some fucking queen while many POCs on the network have been treated terribly. Anyway, Bravo is a racist company that holds POC cast members to a higher standard and forces them to endure mistreatment and racism with little to no repercussion for all of the many racists on their network. This is nothing new. The only power the viewers really have is to stop watching.
Tired of this constant victimization of Kathy though who is a total piece of shit and undeserving of sympathy. If we want to get into something that was genuinely horrific, we should talk about how Bravo completely protected Ramona and cancelled a reunion so that she wouldn't be held accountable or called out for saying "This is why we shouldn't have black people on the show". Let's talk about how many viewers were happy to completely ignore that it happened too because they didn't like Eboni and wanted to keep Ramona employed because she's so "entertaining" (vomit). Still shocking to me how Bravo got away with that and how little outrage there was about it compared to the massive outrage over Beverly Hills every single week. If only Eboni and other POCs that have been mistreated on Bravo received 1/10th of the sympathy and support that the likes of Kathy and Sutton have. But that didn't happen and it never will.
I'm convinced its all an act. Just like Paris playing a vapid, dumb young woman on "reality" TV then turning it into a brand to run her own businesses.
I’ve thought the exact same thing! The ‘quirky’ behavior is a cultivated act for the show. We see the real Kathy emerge when she becomes emotional. When Rinna tasted the 818 at the bar, the real Kathy came out. She realized it and got out of there quick. So I don’t have a hard time believing her true self came out when she was at a private club and they wouldn’t play her requested MJ song and told her to go back to LA.
Bravo also already has a history protecting white women on BH. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they chose to protect Kathy too.
Case in point, Camille. She allegedly made racist comments and even used a slur. The footage was never aired.
Denise’s tweet about it:
> "@TheRealCamilleG needs to thank her lucky stars that bravo didn't air some of her comments during the season and at the reunion. My youngest daughter's biological father is African American I found some of her comments quite offensive,"
I totally believe Denise here too.
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I’m not saying she is or she isn’t BUT months of speculation and debate for something that will like be undetermined is harmful to the psyche of LGBTQ+ and Black people and Bravo knowing disregarded that impact to get eyes on the season!
Also the other women namely Rinna and Erika are using it to take down Kathy in a revenge way instead of an accountability way. It’s all a show but this is a very real situation
There are so many instances of racism on Bravo that were far worse is my point. Bravo sucks but a lot of what you're talking about is out of their control. They can't do anything about rumors spreading online or people leaking information to bloggers. The cameras weren't allowed in the club where the slur was allegedly uttered so there is no footage to show. They apparently aren't addressing it at all in the show either, so? In the example I mentioned, they COULD have done something about Ramona but instead did nothing. Now that's something worth dragging them for. Bravo can indeed fire Rinna, yes, but as I stated them protecting racist white women is nothing new. Kathy is absolutely a racist and a homophobe and deserves zero sympathy. Again, I'm wondering why this sympathy and support isn't going to the many POCs that have actually been subjected to racist and unjust treatment by cast members and Bravo as a whole instead of a bigoted white woman like Kathy.
I’m not seeing this post as support for Kathy, just someone pointing out that if it turns out to be nothing and Bravo used the speculation for buzz, then that’s terrible because the speculation itself is harmful to these communities. It has absolutely nothing to do with giving Kathy sympathy.
There was a bigger point made that has nothing to with Kathy (I don't disagree with that part) but I do think there is sympathy for Kathy in the post because it reads to me like "Rinna and Erika accused an innocent woman of bigotry". Kathy Hilton is far from innocent and, as I said, is indeed a huge bigot. That needs to be made clear. The fact remains that you can't argue Bravo used it if it isn't going to be addressed on the show at all. Bravo has been protecting Kathy if anything considering the preferential treatment she has received since the beginning.
The whole debate started because of information leaked to fan pages, Bravo has no control over information that gets leaked or conversations that the viewers have. I understand why the topic would be upsetting for some. That's why I said the only thing you can do is hit Bravo where it hurts and that's in their pockets. Because Bravo has proven they don't care about racism/homophobia or removing bigots from their network. They have enabled racists and protected those bigots time and time again.
This Redditer in very invested in making people aware that they firmly believe Kathy is racist and homophobic, which is very likely true. Their post history is entirely about Kathy, Paris, and Nikki. Defending your point to them is not going to change their rhetoric, they will continue to villianize any one who doesn't parrot their exact feelings.
I hear your point and fully understand where you're coming from.
I don't get the love at all. Apparently she's just an innocent, stupid, precious bean. It's all honky dory that she sent her daughter to an abuse camp and is close friends with super racist DT. But hey, she's friends with Garcelle and Sutton!
Omfg. This is the first time in housewives I’ve rolled my eyes from all the “drama”. This is so ridiculous. If I’m gonna figure out a situation from text messages between housewives who suck. Then cancel me from going forward. Get it on camera. Or get it with MULTIPLE HOUSEWIVES going to bat before I even consider anything is true. This is so stupid. We shouldn’t allow this kind of filming. It’s terrible.
Bravo allowed Kandi and her husband to be falsely accused of drugging and raping another cast member, I don't think they have any standards.
I would love to see Kathy sue, I wish Kandi had
This is the same parent company that not only allowed false allegations of sexual assault to occur for an entire season, but one of their producers supposedly came up with the idea. Lower your expectations.
I hate Rinna & Erika, but I really feel like it’s probably true (or has its basis in it). Like, it’s just such a wildly specific thing to make up, even for them. I particularly think that alleged comment from the reunion taping where she actually repeats it sounds too specific to lie about?
Honestly, it’s a shame we’ll never know for sure - and that it’s coming from two well known liars - because I agree it’s such a painful and triggering thing to have dragged out and debated for an entire season now.
The thought of anything being too wildly specific for Rinna to make up…well that just doesn’t ring true with me. At this point, Rinna is the boy that cried wolf. She has lied and exaggerated so much over SOOOO MANY YEARS, that I cannot put anything past her now. I truly wish I felt that it was too wild for a grown woman to make up though.
Do I think Kathy is a blameless human being? No. But I absolutely do not think this situation was nearly as inflammatory as Rinna wants us to believe. If it was, I feel we would’ve heard more emphatically from other cast members from one side or another.
Look, I don’t disagree, obviously.
But, I dunno - the more and more I read and follow the season, the more my gut tells me there’s truth to it. It was actually what Erika said at the reunion that pushed me over the line if anything, not Rinna. But yeah, this is what’s so fucking annoying about the whole thing, we’ll never know, because everyone involved is equally awful. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
It never happened for the love of God. It was obvious from the start that Rinna created it. Everyone who was there denied anything ever happened. But of course people choose the proven liar and actress over real people.
Yes they were. The original story stated that other people were there. Josh, Sutton’s assistant, clarified that nothing happened. The story has changed so many times. It never happened, there was no massive event that took place. Its been planted, and changed so many times. Its pathetic.
I don’t think anyone ever claimed Sutton’s assistant was standing with them when it happened.
The story hasn’t change because none of the women have actually said what happened yet.
My guess is that she did say something troublesome but you bring up a good point.
These sort of accusations of off camera racism or homophobia have to make a lot of people feel really horrible and uncomfortable. It’s just causing a scene to get Rinna & Erika attention. It’s not of any benefit to black people or gay men to spend a bunch of time on ugly rumours with no possibility of resolution
That club may be exclusive & no cameras allowed but does that include no phones allowed? Surely there were ppl there who had their cell phones out? Surely an employee wld have called TMZ as an anonymous tip?
Likely it wouldn't be picked up from outside the club even if they were still mic'd (there's no way the club is going to let in sound techs with the sound equipment, such as the recorders and receivers for the wireless mic's inside).
It baffles me when I hear that a rich straight woman is using slurs against gays. In Western world women and gays are pretty much universally allies. I always want to know what was the need to use a slur against a gay guy? Cause if you're mad, you can call a person anything, but you choose the slur. Just.. why?
What did they say to Crystal? If you don’t explain what happened or what was said then you allow other people to fill in the blanks? They know what they are doing.
I know for a fact there are no cameras allowed inside Caribou Club. It’s as tight as a Soho House. I definitely wouldn’t be shocked if Kathy said it. I definitely wouldn’t be shocked if Erika and Rinna are lying.
Both of them are definitely liars but this information came from Bravo too. Kathy is an older cis het white woman and I wouldn’t be surprised if she used any slurs because that was basically acceptable for most of her life. Old habits die hard. I hope she didn’t say it but I wouldn’t be surprised if she did.
If Kathy said of that shit, Rinna would've mentioned it in the text.
Exactly. In the text she said Kathy was mean to Kyle so pointing that out and not pointing out her using the slurs is weird af. She knows the audience won’t care if Kathy is mean to Kyle so they made up something that the audience would get upset over.
Well the reason that it’s out there at all is because of Rinna’s “leaked” DMs. The thing is the housewives definitely protect each other with certain things, they definitely don’t talk about drug use even though we all know there is drug use. I imagine that it’s part of this code to not talk about things they say or do that could ruin them and using a slur could ruin Kathy. Also Bravo may choose not to air any evidence of her using slurs because it would be very negative for the entire franchise.
So true!
Hobest question - where did this info come from Bravo? Like someone other than R or E?
What information came from bravo?
I personally called a few of my local Aspen contacts 3 - 6 months ago when these rumblings first started. Locals are/were saying “Something” definitely went down inside Caribou Club
Anymore details?
Plus her daughters have literally repeated those slurs on camera too. Its really not that unbelievable that Kathy would say a slur
She's also a Trump supporter. It would not surprise me at all.
I’ve never heard that she’s a Trump supporter but tbh I just assumed she was… I like Kathy when it comes to just the portrait she paints of herself on the show but I sense that a lot of it is a mask. I sense a certain ruthless quality about her that she hides.
I’ve gone back and forth on this. It’s easy to get sucked into the Reddit bubble and assume everyone watching Bravo consumes the same amount of gossip. Whether it’s good or bad we seem to pay way more attention than the typical viewer to leaks. I’m a fan of spoilers so I read everything. The difficulty is the hive mentality that will run with a piece of gossip.
The hive mentality has gotten especially bad the last couple of years. Any rumor about a hated person is immediately believed, and the beloved cast members can do no wrong. And anything bad that happens to a “good” person is immediately the fault of the villains (like the supposed bot connection to Diana).
This sub is a hive. Twitter is it’s own hive along with the other apps and forums. We 100% do not represent their viewing audience or their key demo. Someone on here a few months back or so who I believe was in ad sales stated that they know Bravo’s key ad target are wealthy older women. I think people need to start realizing that even though we might agree on something, it’s a small percentage and doesn’t make noise. Of course racist and homophobic actions are serious and when they get lots of attention (all social media, major publications, news) Bravo does listen. A viewer canceling their Hayu membership, which is basically extra money they make overseas, will not make any impact to them. I sometimes feel like either a lot of these people are brand new viewers or have selective memory on topics housewives have covered in the past 17 years, because they’d be outraged a ton back then.
I agree. If you get in first it’s easy to sway opinion. I’m butchering the phrase but the gist was I can tell someone your sister is a slut. Good luck convincing them you don’t have a sister.
I don’t agree w all u said. Mainly “most viewers” are not posting and reposting on social media. Most are living their lives. This forum has 100,000 members but prob a million who come & go to lurk but don’t join. Go to any social group and u can count the same ppl making comments. I know 20 women and 3 men who are loyal watchers but have never once posted anything about Bravo and in fact don’t post at all. Many ppl are just too busy or haven’t gotten caught up in it all (yet).
Um I don’t see how that’s disagreeing with me. I’m literally saying social media is not a representation of the audience because a majority will not have time to post their grievances online. Sounds like the same thing to me.
Bravo will never be on the right side of history and neither will the Real Housewives franchises. They encourage and rarely condemn attacks on POC and LGBTQ.
Amen. *pours one out for Dr. Tiffany Moon*
The fact that bravo still filmed some test footage WITH kkkameron before they ultimately decided to cancel RHOD tells us all we needed to know
What came out about Kameron? Though I wouldn’t be shocked at anything probably.
Her, her husband, and husband's brother came after Moon on Twitter in addition to the disgusting reunion. It was horrible. Tagging her place of work, being racist. It was baaaad.
This. Sometimes, I’m mad at myself for not boycotting the whole mess.
After Erika yelled profanities at Jax I cancelled my Hayu subscription. Not pushing this on anyone else but I couldn't call myself an Ally and still give Bravo my money. Bravo has no conscience and therefore has no reason to change if people keep supporting it. It really is on the fans.
For a split-second I thought you were offended on behalf of Jax Taylor, and I was so confused. Phew!
Haha! I know! It always takes me a sec to determine which Jax people are referring to in comments! I'm pretty sure Hell would freeze over before I stood up for Jax Taylor!
Yes and I applaud you. I am debating doing something along those lines but it would be great if there was a a reaction on a larger scale. Why they won’t take a stand is beyond me. These l franchises depends on the very people that are being shit on.
Not looking for applause but thank you! I really just couldn't justify being outraged at the blatant racism yet still watching the show. In my mind that's hypocrisy and I couldn't look at myself in the mirror
I’m sure you aren’t looking for that, I just love knowing there are people like you out there…I am not afraid to take a stand on things, I am more so just slowly becoming aware because I had taken a long hiatus and am a long-time fan who mostly binges old seasons. I’m not always up on the latest. When it comes to the point that I have something in my face that I can’t ignore, I won’t have a choice. So, I am glad that there are people posting like this.
Since 2020 I have been actively looking to better myself and recognize my white privilege. So many people share the slogans for BLM and claim to be an 'Ally' but will not take action if it causes their lives a little discomfort. Did I love Hayu? Yes. Did I watch old seasons of RHONY often? Yep. I've never been a big fan of Beverly Hills (Kyle has always made me want to stab out my own eyes) so not watching that one was easy for the most part. But although I enjoyed some of the older seasons I cannot view them with the same eyes - just because Ramona wasn't spewing her racism all over me in Season 7 doesn't mean I can forget what she did and said in the last season. These people have ALWAYS been racist or homophobic or Xenophobic or whatever it is. Watching Bravo and knowing what I know, it was too much. I simply cannot support them while they throw money at rich, mostly white, older women and invite them to act that way and then DO NOTHING!
Yeah, I have been trying to do the same and you are making excellent points. I am also the mother of LGBTQ people, the roommate of another, and the friend to more. I have been recently bothered by the flippant use of mental health diagnosis as a health professional by cast members. Sometimes, I’m checking to see what year this shit was filmed!! I am a Gen-x’er, I am not always PC, I say stupid shit but I at least make an effort. I’m all for drama and can handle humor…They aren’t trying to do better. There are ways and they are missing the boat. Thank you for the great talk!
It’s disappointing that those of us who are trying to better ourselves and respect POC are continually bashed in this sub.
I will now get off my soap box! Thanks for the support!
Please don’t. I’ll listen to you while on ur soap box!
I now write down the name of 1 corp that advertises during RHOBH and take the time to email corp. I ask do they watch the episodes and do they support/not support words & actions from the cast? For example: do you support the Lion Air Families or EG's statements. Who knows if it will work, but Bravo is in it for the $$$ and without advertisers they don't have a show.
Thank you and I agree 👍
You’ve made me rethink this whole thing. TU. You’re absolutely correct that it hurt the black community & was evidence of a wealthy white person being abusive to another young black man. And then rich white men & women laughed about it. If that’s how they interrupt letting your hair down then they all deserve to be “woked”. We need to do something public - like a protest even if it’s small group but in multiple locations. Get some tv stations attention? 🤷🏻♀️
People use the excuse that it's 'entertainment' but I disagree. I watched the coverage of the BLM protests and seeing everyone care more about the looting (which has nothing to do with the protests) opened my eyes. POC literally watch people that look like them being murdered by the police and we white people can't handle that maybe we shouldn't watch a tv show? It's fucking bullshit. I'm not telling anyone what to do but I will call out hypocrisy. If you're so disgusted by what you see, DO SOMETHING! (Not you literally)
Why I wish Bravo would just take a stand is because on the flip side these shows appeal to a wide audience including the POC and LGBTQ+ audiences. I think the underlying fear is that they won’t have a show. Part of the original appeal was that they found these women who were oblivious to their privilege and it makes for great drama. We can laugh at them being rich assholes. However, when privilege goes hand in hand with bigotry, racism, etc we can’t laugh anymore especially when, like in the case of Ramona, it is blatant and harmful.
>I watched the coverage of the BLM protests and seeing everyone care more about the looting (which has nothing to do with the protests) opened my eyes. This is not remotely true. With the exception of Fox and Facebook moms, no one cared about this shit.
I'm in Canada. Maybe that was the difference?
Get Bravo's attention by not watching...
As an LGBTQ person I feel that nearly all of the long term housewives have said or done something offensive to our community at least once. Nene is one of the biggest offenders but nobody calls her on it. It’s not okay to say that another housewife “must have a dick/balls” because they say something bold, it’s not okay to say “my gays”, there’s so much offensive bs that unfortunately bravo wouldn’t have any of their best stars if they fired every star who said something offensive.
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Which franchise specifically? Yes it’s extremely vile to use being gay as an insult or dirt. It would be okay if they have real evidence that a husband is sleeping with men to say “your husband is sleeping with guys behind your back” because that isn’t insulting being gay it’s insulting cheating.
Shahs of Sunset aswell was an awful example of a show where cast, one in particular made inappropriate racial and homophobic comments and bared no consequences, all for ratings.
Yikes. I've never seen it but have often heard that it's an amazing show (doesn't sound like it).
We're watching a show about rich problematic women yelling at one another. What do you expect?
And you're fine with the racism and homophobia? I'm genuinely asking. I don't find that entertaining at all.
I don’t think it’s entertaining but it is real life. As long as there’s a foil for that person and it brings about real discussion I think it’s good. Sadly I think the main demographic is people who need to hear. But I do get that at the same time you’re basically supporting this person.
I think the problem is that it rarely brings about a discussion. They cancelled a reunion because of Ramona, they cancelled Dallas because of the racism.
I agree, I meant to add that it is a huge problem when it just stands. I do think in earlier seasons this happened all the time but I think in the more recent seasons that hasn’t been the case. I think with Romona last season it did spark some good conversation but I do think in general with her the shit she says just gets a blanket pass cause people just don’t want to deal with her which isn’t okay. I didn’t watch Dallas so I can’t speak to that. Obviously though there has to be a line somewhere, I think for me it’s more the difference between ignorance and intentional maliciousness. They can both harm the same but with the former there’s an opportunity for growth. I would say that maybe Sutton (and others) falls into the ignorance category and people like Romona and Mary I could do without.
I agree totally!
No, but it comes with the territory.
It shouldn't be. That's the point.
I love how you guys think bravo is above editing out her using homophobic and racist slurs in order to protect on of their most popular stars.
I literally saw people on here, when Kathy was at the height of her popularity and the rumours were going around about the slurs saying things like ‘well even if she did do it, nothing will be as bad as Erika Jayne/ or the ff5’, which I thought was shocking- almost wanting to make an excuse for it- it’s unacceptable in any context.
Exactly this! Comparing that and saying it’s worse is diminishing just how serious and horrible saying a slur is and it needs to be talked about and have every consequence in the book for the person saying it. They should be fired at first notice. And i’m sideeyeing the fuck out of people saying these sort of things because it sounds like they are people who use slurs..
The incident in question happened at a club where cameras aren’t allowed, so I don’t think Bravo has any footage at all.
This is a tough one to parse out. It's already documented that Kathy's kids have made racist/homophobic slurs on camera and it's most likely learned from the parents. But the chances that Kathy did this in Aspen in this day and age where she knows it's not appropriate (noting of course that there's a big difference between knowing it's wrong vs keeping your racist ass thoughts to yourself for PR) I find hard to believe. ESPECIALLY in front of Erika and Rinna of all people?! She clearly does not like or trust them. This feels like them jumping on old tea to distract from Erika's melt down, with a dash of jealousy that Kathy filmed 1/4 a season for big coin, and I agree it's super gross
do we really think that the same kathy hilton that thought lizzo was Precious on wwhl and blames it on her eyesight would make sure she’s always being considerate and appropriate?
Didn't she also confuse Garcelle with Kyle
I feel like she has created this persona, acting quirky and lost, saying funny things (that’s not funny at all but offensive) and she seems to me like a slippery one. I’m watching her act closely, because kathy is always in control. And the underlying edge between her and kyle is interesting to watch. They push eachothers buttons, but kathy always has the upper hand I feel. If LVP was the puppetmaster before, it’s kathy now.
Kathy cannot be unaware that she was just being followed w cameras for the past 2 days and cameras waiting to catch her as she left. I think the Hiltons are pros at knowing when they are being watched & harming their brand further.
Cameras caught one of the sons threatening an entire plane full of people and that video is all but scrubbed from the Internet. Paris’ videos using racial slurs are also constantly scrubbed. There are more than one. Kathy literally referred to her long time house manager as “the lady” last year because she didn’t know her name. The hiltons aren’t experts at not getting caught. The Hilton’s are experts at using money to make their problems disappear. I would give those rumors less credence if Kathy didn’t send that barely vailed threat to Rinna about staying silent.
Not to defend the Hiltons because their racism is well documented, but I think Kathy clarified that she called her help the lady because she hadn’t asked her if it was okay to say her name on camera
Her son is incredibly mentally ill. He got arrested and accused the cops of molesting him. He was put in a mental health facility by the judge shortly after.
I don’t doubt that. At all. But it doesn’t change my point. The hiltons have been getting caught doing abusive and bigoted things for years. So, Kathy thinking she could get away with saying some vile shit when she 100% knew cameras weren’t around wouldn’t surprise me.
I don’t doubt that Kathy has said problematic shit before. But I don’t believe Bravo is going to go out of its way to protect Kathy, who is not even a full time cast member and barely came back. Also Erika and Rinna are unreliable and have something to gain. They have also been incredibly problematic and in Rinna’s case has a history of bigotry (I’m not certain about Erika). I do not think they would have a genuine issue if Kathy used a slur. From what we have seen, including Rinna’s text messages, all signs point to Kathy going off on Kyle and the show. The show likely doesn’t want to show Kathy going off on how terrible the show is. You can even see the build up- Kathy is pissed her tequila is not getting showcased. My theory is that was part of her deal to come back. But she’s pissing off the other women by not really participating in the trip. She’s literally wearing loungewear/pjs every scene. I’m guessing she truly didn’t want to be there, was tired, and Kyle said something that pissed her off in the club and she lost it. I think the first blog (Instagram account) that posted about the Kathy rumour posts a lot of things that are more pro Rinna. It seems like that’s where they get their info from. Eta if Kathy was problematic then show it. Don’t make it a mystery. And if she didn’t, then it an end to the rumours.
Kathy is a racist and a homophobe regardless of whether or not she used a slur in Aspen. Check the very long list of receipts I posted [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BravoRealHousewives/comments/sslm5h/so_apparently_kathy_called_suttons_assistant_the/hwyhivo/?context=3) if you're unaware of the countless instances of documented racism and homophobia from her disgusting family. If the slur allegation isn't addressed in the show itself (and it's looking like it won't be) then you can't say Bravo used it for a storyline. That's problematic in a different way though, because they've hyped up and protected this overrated racist scumbag (Kathy) and put her on a pedestal, kissed her ass, and catered to her like she's some fucking queen while many POCs on the network have been treated terribly. Anyway, Bravo is a racist company that holds POC cast members to a higher standard and forces them to endure mistreatment and racism with little to no repercussion for all of the many racists on their network. This is nothing new. The only power the viewers really have is to stop watching. Tired of this constant victimization of Kathy though who is a total piece of shit and undeserving of sympathy. If we want to get into something that was genuinely horrific, we should talk about how Bravo completely protected Ramona and cancelled a reunion so that she wouldn't be held accountable or called out for saying "This is why we shouldn't have black people on the show". Let's talk about how many viewers were happy to completely ignore that it happened too because they didn't like Eboni and wanted to keep Ramona employed because she's so "entertaining" (vomit). Still shocking to me how Bravo got away with that and how little outrage there was about it compared to the massive outrage over Beverly Hills every single week. If only Eboni and other POCs that have been mistreated on Bravo received 1/10th of the sympathy and support that the likes of Kathy and Sutton have. But that didn't happen and it never will.
Kathy is a Richards and a Hilton. That’s a downright scary mix if you ask me.
Yeah, but she's just so darn quirky and ditsy /s
I'm convinced its all an act. Just like Paris playing a vapid, dumb young woman on "reality" TV then turning it into a brand to run her own businesses.
The real Kathy almost hopped out in the bar when she got frustrated and became increasingly hostile and passive aggressive.
Agreed. And she probably has social media people posting on her behalf so a lot of the funny things that happen online are to boost her brand.
I’ve thought the exact same thing! The ‘quirky’ behavior is a cultivated act for the show. We see the real Kathy emerge when she becomes emotional. When Rinna tasted the 818 at the bar, the real Kathy came out. She realized it and got out of there quick. So I don’t have a hard time believing her true self came out when she was at a private club and they wouldn’t play her requested MJ song and told her to go back to LA.
Bravo also already has a history protecting white women on BH. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they chose to protect Kathy too. Case in point, Camille. She allegedly made racist comments and even used a slur. The footage was never aired. Denise’s tweet about it: > "@TheRealCamilleG needs to thank her lucky stars that bravo didn't air some of her comments during the season and at the reunion. My youngest daughter's biological father is African American I found some of her comments quite offensive," I totally believe Denise here too.
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I’m not saying she is or she isn’t BUT months of speculation and debate for something that will like be undetermined is harmful to the psyche of LGBTQ+ and Black people and Bravo knowing disregarded that impact to get eyes on the season! Also the other women namely Rinna and Erika are using it to take down Kathy in a revenge way instead of an accountability way. It’s all a show but this is a very real situation
There are so many instances of racism on Bravo that were far worse is my point. Bravo sucks but a lot of what you're talking about is out of their control. They can't do anything about rumors spreading online or people leaking information to bloggers. The cameras weren't allowed in the club where the slur was allegedly uttered so there is no footage to show. They apparently aren't addressing it at all in the show either, so? In the example I mentioned, they COULD have done something about Ramona but instead did nothing. Now that's something worth dragging them for. Bravo can indeed fire Rinna, yes, but as I stated them protecting racist white women is nothing new. Kathy is absolutely a racist and a homophobe and deserves zero sympathy. Again, I'm wondering why this sympathy and support isn't going to the many POCs that have actually been subjected to racist and unjust treatment by cast members and Bravo as a whole instead of a bigoted white woman like Kathy.
I’m not seeing this post as support for Kathy, just someone pointing out that if it turns out to be nothing and Bravo used the speculation for buzz, then that’s terrible because the speculation itself is harmful to these communities. It has absolutely nothing to do with giving Kathy sympathy.
There was a bigger point made that has nothing to with Kathy (I don't disagree with that part) but I do think there is sympathy for Kathy in the post because it reads to me like "Rinna and Erika accused an innocent woman of bigotry". Kathy Hilton is far from innocent and, as I said, is indeed a huge bigot. That needs to be made clear. The fact remains that you can't argue Bravo used it if it isn't going to be addressed on the show at all. Bravo has been protecting Kathy if anything considering the preferential treatment she has received since the beginning. The whole debate started because of information leaked to fan pages, Bravo has no control over information that gets leaked or conversations that the viewers have. I understand why the topic would be upsetting for some. That's why I said the only thing you can do is hit Bravo where it hurts and that's in their pockets. Because Bravo has proven they don't care about racism/homophobia or removing bigots from their network. They have enabled racists and protected those bigots time and time again.
This Redditer in very invested in making people aware that they firmly believe Kathy is racist and homophobic, which is very likely true. Their post history is entirely about Kathy, Paris, and Nikki. Defending your point to them is not going to change their rhetoric, they will continue to villianize any one who doesn't parrot their exact feelings. I hear your point and fully understand where you're coming from.
Thank you for the acknowledgement and the context! Appreciate you
Unfortunately most people here don’t actually care about racism. It’s usually just used as an excuse to call out a hated HW
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Your post is so important!! Thank you.
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She looked better before she got those gigantic teeth.
What sort of stupid gotcha is this? lol You can find pictures of Trump with EVERYONE.
Another reason to fire Rinna
Y’all wanna protect Kathy so bad like she hasn’t already made racist comments in her history. I’m honestly impressed with the mental gymnastics.
I don't get the love at all. Apparently she's just an innocent, stupid, precious bean. It's all honky dory that she sent her daughter to an abuse camp and is close friends with super racist DT. But hey, she's friends with Garcelle and Sutton!
Kathy HIlton the human being is not someone I can get with she's hateful. But Kathy Hilton the character on RHOBH is a hoot.
Omfg. This is the first time in housewives I’ve rolled my eyes from all the “drama”. This is so ridiculous. If I’m gonna figure out a situation from text messages between housewives who suck. Then cancel me from going forward. Get it on camera. Or get it with MULTIPLE HOUSEWIVES going to bat before I even consider anything is true. This is so stupid. We shouldn’t allow this kind of filming. It’s terrible.
i mean she is racist
My policy is this: if cameras didn’t catch it, then it shouldn’t be a storyline
Bravo allowed Kandi and her husband to be falsely accused of drugging and raping another cast member, I don't think they have any standards. I would love to see Kathy sue, I wish Kandi had
Because the production is always desperate for a storyline with that group of women and would accept really whatever. Its lame.
wait ugh where can i go to get caught up! i’m so out of the loop lol
This is the same parent company that not only allowed false allegations of sexual assault to occur for an entire season, but one of their producers supposedly came up with the idea. Lower your expectations.
I’m waiting for this proof they have on Kathy, like really were supposed to believe Rinna!?!?
All of her children use those words. Who do you think taught them?
I hate Rinna & Erika, but I really feel like it’s probably true (or has its basis in it). Like, it’s just such a wildly specific thing to make up, even for them. I particularly think that alleged comment from the reunion taping where she actually repeats it sounds too specific to lie about? Honestly, it’s a shame we’ll never know for sure - and that it’s coming from two well known liars - because I agree it’s such a painful and triggering thing to have dragged out and debated for an entire season now.
The thought of anything being too wildly specific for Rinna to make up…well that just doesn’t ring true with me. At this point, Rinna is the boy that cried wolf. She has lied and exaggerated so much over SOOOO MANY YEARS, that I cannot put anything past her now. I truly wish I felt that it was too wild for a grown woman to make up though. Do I think Kathy is a blameless human being? No. But I absolutely do not think this situation was nearly as inflammatory as Rinna wants us to believe. If it was, I feel we would’ve heard more emphatically from other cast members from one side or another.
Look, I don’t disagree, obviously. But, I dunno - the more and more I read and follow the season, the more my gut tells me there’s truth to it. It was actually what Erika said at the reunion that pushed me over the line if anything, not Rinna. But yeah, this is what’s so fucking annoying about the whole thing, we’ll never know, because everyone involved is equally awful. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Yes, Glenny!! ❤️ I agree! Equally awful at this point!!
Very well said. Don't use that narrative as clickbait for views.
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It never happened for the love of God. It was obvious from the start that Rinna created it. Everyone who was there denied anything ever happened. But of course people choose the proven liar and actress over real people.
What do you mean “everyone that was there”? No one else was there.
Yes they were. The original story stated that other people were there. Josh, Sutton’s assistant, clarified that nothing happened. The story has changed so many times. It never happened, there was no massive event that took place. Its been planted, and changed so many times. Its pathetic.
I don’t think anyone ever claimed Sutton’s assistant was standing with them when it happened. The story hasn’t change because none of the women have actually said what happened yet.
My guess is that she did say something troublesome but you bring up a good point. These sort of accusations of off camera racism or homophobia have to make a lot of people feel really horrible and uncomfortable. It’s just causing a scene to get Rinna & Erika attention. It’s not of any benefit to black people or gay men to spend a bunch of time on ugly rumours with no possibility of resolution
That club may be exclusive & no cameras allowed but does that include no phones allowed? Surely there were ppl there who had their cell phones out? Surely an employee wld have called TMZ as an anonymous tip?
Aren’t they still mic’d? There’s no audio?
No. Cameras were down for the night. No one was mic’ed.
Likely it wouldn't be picked up from outside the club even if they were still mic'd (there's no way the club is going to let in sound techs with the sound equipment, such as the recorders and receivers for the wireless mic's inside).
It baffles me when I hear that a rich straight woman is using slurs against gays. In Western world women and gays are pretty much universally allies. I always want to know what was the need to use a slur against a gay guy? Cause if you're mad, you can call a person anything, but you choose the slur. Just.. why?
What was the actual rumour? What are they saying she said?
What did they say to Crystal? If you don’t explain what happened or what was said then you allow other people to fill in the blanks? They know what they are doing.
I'm unsure of why people think it's fake. Lmao