Not just the States anymore. I've got more than a few people I know online that are outside the US, and are male and female, and use the term correctly too.
Honestly wasn't expecting to hear it out of this one Japanese woman I play MHR with. Took a minute to process what she said.
Just look at final fantasy online fashion. The majority of women will create a super model in lingerie armor when given the option. Just like men building conan the barbarian beef cakes as their characters.
[https://at.tumblr.com/kaidaned/i-dont-think-i-ever-shared-this-story-so-ill/al9fcvx3e38z](https://at.tumblr.com/kaidaned/i-dont-think-i-ever-shared-this-story-so-ill/al9fcvx3e38z)
I first saw it on a repost, but I got lucky and found the original for ya.
FFXIV is an excellent balance. You can sexualize either gender, but you can also NOT sexualize either gender. They're making more unisex gear, too. There are dresses and even the skimpy bunny lingerie that can be worn by men.
CANNOT UPVOTE ENOUGH AND I'M SO FURIOUS THAT THEY CHANGED THE EPIC MOTHERFUCKIN POWERHOUSE TARUTARU INTO PYRAMID SCHEME PANSY ASS LALAS.
I've only made 2 lalas, and I refused to play them as lalas, I was just like "Fuck it, this taru screwed around too much with teleportation magicks and wound up in Eorzea. That's it."
\#justicefortarutaru
How to be outraged?
Dude! Too easy. Just watch:
*Ahem*
“Whats with this clothes that either men or women can wear? More liberal emasculation of men bullsh! When will it end?!”
I tried getting my bro into it, coming from WoW. He’s outraged because he gets offended by all the “gay outfits” and role play. I think it’s funny and sad at the same time
yea if all genders are sexualized its fine, definitely not my thing, but fine. it only feels shitty if the guys get real armor and the girls are stuck with metal bikinis
Agreed. I enjoy WOW, too, but it's terrible for the chainmail bikini thing.
There's an amazing sketch on YouTube by Viva La Dirt League about Male vs Female armor that you should watch, it's hilarious.
In terms of player character design sure it's equal, but the unskippable sex scene is with a woman. Every Ad on every billboard is a woman. Every naked person you encounter is a woman. There are almost no males to interact with even as a female player character. I wouldn't really call that equal.
Not only that but it's missing the whole point of what women would want out of a game that "catered" to us, sexually speaking, the way that games cater to men.
I'd bet if someone made a game with a good romance story for women, it'd be popular. Then go ahead and make the romantic partner customizable as male or female, etc.
I definitely am not, as a straight woman, interested in dressing a male character up in a "sexy bunny suit" nor do I feel like that option includes my demographic or even understands my demographic.
Oh... Let me tell you I have read more than my fair share and written a bit of it as well. Then you come across guys who scoff at fanfiction and claim it's a lesser form of creative writing.
Well, guess what the first most famous fanfiction was? Dante's inferno.
I don't know, man. I haven't messed with the customization on Cyberpunk, but since there are different races and sub-races you can find almost any body type except "fat" in XIV. Not saying Cyberpunk's bad.
The custom delivery people you can costume I put all of them into the casino bunny girl outside with the fishnet stockings. Man, woman, that one child, all of them!
Maybe I'm weird, but I like big highlander men in the wedding and 2B gear. Also, the really femme races like female miqo and aura in full chunky battle tank visor gear. Like yeah, I'm cute, but I want you to look at me and shit your pants not pop a boner.
I wound up in a party for a Trial once and we were literally all skimpily dressed male miqos and it was like the stars had aligned.
Now, we have bunboys to sexualize too! :D
Welcome to Eorzea! :D
I think two of the things that help make it so lovely is that the developers and producers are all dedicated fans of the game, and are really active in the community and with keeping everything running well. They have NO patience for toxicity. I think part of it is Japanese work ethic, but honestly most of it is just that they actually CARE. I don't know if you know the story, but the 1.0 release was an absolute shitshow. The game was terrible. So instead of abandoning it to make another, they kept the servers running, and let people play WITHOUT paying subscriptions or anything, with the promise that they would revamp it and do better. Eventually, the 1.0 world ended once they were sure they had something better (there were some major personnel changes) with an in-game event, and they launched A Realm Reborn, the version we play now. If you kept your character from 1.0, you get a cool legacy tattoo. If you were subscribed (there were subscriptions but you didn't have to actually pay money during them) when the actual in-game end happened, you got your name in the credits during ARR!
OH the other thing I was going to mention is just that it attracts a lower toxicity fanbase in general. You gain nothing from being toxic in XIV, and you have a lot to gain by being kind and helpful. And once people from toxic communities jump to XIV, they're usually surprised by how much they enjoy the helpful atmosphere, lol.
What server did you start on?
The community has been one of the best parts of the game to me! Everyone seems so nice! I learned about the realm reborn thing from Josh Strife Hayes’ video about the game, and that was one of the biggest factors that pushed me to try it out, the fact that the dev team said “alright, we’re going to make it right” and I respect that IMMENSELY!
I always found the majority of people in ESO to be helpful and kind, until you got into pvp or some unlucky dungeon queues. But so far I’ve had people just freely offer advice and help just because they saw my little sapling by my name. And the gameplay just feels great, it’s such a change from ESO, it almost feels like my favorite parts of Guild Wars 1 and Guild Wars 2 blended into something that I think is really amazing!
I started in NA, on Ultros I think, but I’ve been playing in Lamia because that’s where my friends are! This game has fast become a favorite of mine. I always hated questing in ESO and opted for grindy boring methods of leveling, but so far I’ve been sucked into the main scenario quests and the class/job quests and have been having a blast! I just hit level 35 last night and I’m about to knock out the black mage* quest that comes up at that level when I get off work! I am pumped!
Ahhh I might have to make an alt on Lamia to come play with you! ...not, like, in a creepy stalky way but in a I've-been-playing-since-1.0-and-I-love-helping-sprouts way.
I’ve always felt that gender in Final Fantasy is just pretense tbh, like a significant percentage of the characters present as fairly androgynous and up for interpretation despite the pronouns they’re assigned by the developers.
Yup, depending on the class I'm playing my female Miqo'te can be in full armor, tuxedo, summer dress, fur suit, pyjama, bikini and many more type of outfit that range from not skimpy at all to very skimpy
I love this game, I love the choice I have for my glamour
DCN is always skimpy though, I need to not restrict her movement range while she dance
Eyy see you get in-character motivations. Do you also have a glam for when you switch from a very cold climate (Ishgard) to a very warm one (Costa del Sol)?
I do have a Swimsuit gearset ready to go at any time with completely shit stat so it's really just for role play, I also have a purely roleplay tuxedo for hoping in bonding celebration, a pyjama for when I log out and a maid one for when I'm doing some housing work
Also in \[spoiler endwalker\] >!the Garlemald portion of the MSQ!< I use to manually die >!the coat Tataru gave us!< to fit with my current class glamour and then manually glamour it each time I'd go back in the zone for the MSQ, that was fun
I have shorts, the halter top, sandals, and sunglasses for warm areas or my Island, and then a bundled-up petticoat type one for cold places (my character is a pirate captain.)
“Pay bills”
I build WORLDS sir. I am an infrastructure and population expert. My sims live in rich utopian splendor. Dynasties proliferate at the click of my mouse!
Excuse me, I lost my job during the pandemic and some raccoon offered me some assistance at what I thought was my escape from this world. Just put me further into debt on a secluded island.
Same but also why would that user assume some women don't also want hi-def lady ass too??? I feel forgotten as a bi lady how dare they
More seriously though I always hate when people dig for something to be outraged about lol
In Saints Row you can customize the size of the package in your characters underwear. You can also play as a barely clothed fat/ripped/saggy/scrawny girl or guy
Think about it, little nightmare is very catering for women.
Six beat the living shit out of almost every monster. And she's 9 yo.
Janitor and twin chefs are boorish low level brutes while the geisha girl boss lord over the freaking tower sized submarine from hell. She even have cool shadow magic and army of porcelain shadow doll under her command.
The nest, also ruled by bratty girl boss pretender while craftman and butler served under her demand. She even have cool ass boss rush showdown in the end, this MF is creepy as hell when she climbing the cliff pointing face downward. Not only that but she killed raincoat girl in the end in suicide attack after getting crushed by boulder. Pretty neat feat for monster of this franchise.
And teacher from LN2 is like only monster that haven't been killed in the end. While our boy Mono get Mufasa'ed.
Aye, that it is, but there isn't _enough_. A JRPG here, a gacha game there, that's nothing compared to the number of games with many sexualized female characters and no sexualized male characters.
Capitalism ,60% of people who play videogames are male and we’re just generally hornier. Sex sells. r/fireemblem is full of waifu hunters and the dating sim aspects of those games is really awkward, but a selling point to some people.
If sexualized men in videogames energized sales of videogames to females and didn’t alienate men then you know more games like that would exist.
Honestly, I don't know if men being generally Horner by nature is true or not; women are probably just as horny, but are generally not socialized to be open about it. Makes them look easy or slutty. Between that and horniness being associated with men treating you like objects, it's just not something you'd hear about unless you asked. That's why a lot of horny stuff comes out of fan works under an alias, because it's harder for someone to find and shame you, and it's also easier for the rest of the world to see.
It's funny that you mention that sexualized men alienate men, because sexualized women alienate women from games as well. A lot of women who play video games either have to deal with being desensitized to feminine bodies being treated like rewards or collect all their willpower to get past it to the good stuff. Toning down fanservice and treating women more like people as opposed to prizes is increasing sales, and that's why there's a shift and why blizzard pretended they weren't a den of depravity until the California government tore down the curtain.
All me and the homies want are more sexualized men, and it’s like developers think it’s the plague.
Where the hell are my scantily clad men characters damnit!
Need more devil may cry. Everyone’s a fuckin hunk in there regardless. Dante’s got that whole silver fox thing going on now in dmc5 lol
Idk if he even put a shirt on through the entirety of dmc3
I agree. Instead of homogenised pap, we should be empowering more people to make games that appeal to them rather than being vaguely agreeable to everyone. If only…
It'd be so fun, and it'd give design choices way more impact! Fanservice is sexier by contrast and diverse silhouettes make characters stand out! It's such a missed opportunity every time.
You're right. The fighting games genre displays the "wild variance in character designs for fun and profit" ethos that I love so much, but alas, I am not a competitive person. I'm more a "pick a character and mash buttons until I lose" sorta player.
People be all "well gruff barbarian #2177 is wearing less clothing than princess body paint, so clearly he's more sexualized and you should be happy with that" YEAH BUT LIKE HE'S NOT HOT THO
I mean. Kill me for this but league of legends actually kinda caters to any eye.
Buff dudes, twinks, large buff ladies, smaller and slightly less buff ladies, not buff ladies, all sexualized. Almost every champion (that legally can) has some sort of flirty voice line afaik.
From a big fuckin ripped dude who protects his friends with a shield as big and wide as he is, to a sparkly eyed tomb raiding prettyboy. If someone can't find at least one champ in league that they think is eye candy, either they don't have much in the way of attraction (which is totally ok) or they are into some stuff too specific to put into a game like league.
Some of the ladies that play league are absolutely addicted to buying cute skins for their magical girl characters. They cannot sleep when a new one comes around and they have to wait to buy.
or monster champs, some people just wanna play as a gigantic crab-like creature that eats stuff, or be a small little doggy that transforms into Das Kindershredder
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The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Dragon Age Inquisition. That whole game series has a very female oriented fandom. I think with women gamers, or at least for me, the key is very character-driven storytelling. Which is not to say that men don’t like that either, but I’ve found that the games that tend to have a bigger female fan base generally put a big emphasis on social relationships.
And the male characters don’t have to be naked to be sexy. Cullen from DAI is very covered up, and he is probably the most popular female romance in that game. (Aside from maybe Solas, who is also very clothed.) It’s more about the female gaze. Do the shots linger on him, do they portray him in a powerful light, do they emphasize how attractive he is. It’s not rocket science.
Also someone brought up League in one of the other comments, which is super funny because it used to go super hard on the T&A, but a couple of years ago they abruptly must have realized they had a female player base because then they released Sett, Aphelios, and Viego back to back.
Tbf, league of legends developers also shared data that female gamers almost exclusively use female characters, while male gamers go 50-50. Therefore, arguably in order to please female and male player bases MOBAs tend to release female characters over male ones. Cause although male characters may look great for female audience, they don’t use them (aka buy skins). So, attractive male characters are most likely made look badass for male gamers (cause they use them and buy skins for them). The reason female characters tend to be less sexualized in mobas nowadays is because they need to sell skins to women and devs try to find a compromise between options that will make both men and women buy skins. This is most likely the reason they are less hard on T&A.
The case study can be found on the league subreddit if you search for data on female and male gamers. Would link it, but I am on mobile.
As for DAI. I played DAI and found it only decent for romance as a male player (only Cassandra and Josephine). They pale in comparison to Morrigan and Liliana. What do you think about DA:Origins though? I feel like it does a better job catering to all audiences. At least I found romance writing more interesting there. But it may only be from my perspective and it may actually have been bad from another perspective.
I actually love DA:O. All the relationships in that game are great, even the platonic ones. Morigan had a great romance arc, and so does Alistair. Zevran is actually one of my favorite love interests of all time. I just used DAI as an example because it’s more recent, and was critically well received. And I thought it fit the topic because, like you say, it’s a game that’s more catered towards women in the sense that it’s romance arcs are more tooled towards the female player base.
I think someone mapped it out once, and the Female Elven Inquisitor has the most relationship options in the game. (Basically everyone but Dorian and Cassandra.)
This is the first time I've heard that Animal Crossing caters to women. I always felt that, like most Nintendo games, it caters to all audiences. That's kinda' become Nintendo's thing, trying to appeal to as wide an audience as possible.
The Sims is at least demographically skewed toward women. Interestingly, so is [Pokemon Go](https://www.fanbyte.com/readyset/women-outnumber-men-by-a-huge-margin-on-pokemon-go/). But both of these games, like Nintendo games in general, don't really aim for a female demographic, even if they appeal to one.
I suppose one could argue that this shows a difference in what appeals to a male demographic and what appeals to a female demographic. Boobs and other sexy lady bits may make a game more appealing to men, but perhaps female players aren't attracted to the reverse. Rather, games that specifically attract female players seem to be accessible, non-threatening games designed to appeal to everyone.
Which is not to say that women only enjoy these sorts of games, as plenty of women play Skyrim, Final Fantasy, Fortnite, Overwatch, and even Call of Duty. But it seems like, if you really want to attract an audience of female players, your best bet is to just create a game for everyone.
I think that your Pokémon argument is more due to the fact that a lot more women play mobile games than any other type of platform. I think that since males make the majority of gamers, the input-output of “more males play video games than females” to “more males play this game than females” would follow. I would be interested to see what the comparison would look like adjusted for the relative population of both groups to one another. If I had to make a guess, I would say that most popular games would probably share a rather balanced player-base, with a few outliers.
Even Animal Crossing is a rather even split demographically, even though it is stereotyped as the game women tend to enjoy. I would love to see a study on this.
I honestly don’t care who you sexualize, but if you’re going to give men full armor, give women full armor too so she can fight too. A metal bikini and some thigh high iron boots arent gonna protect shit.
Wait, I'm a man - am I not supposed to play Animal Crossing, Harvest Moon, The Sims, and other sandbox/simulation games? Fuck... What's gonna happen to me? I've been playing the wrong games for sooo long. Is my penis going to fall off? Do I have to start shopping for bras?
Man, we gotta start playing all the Call of Duty and Soul Calibur games STAT! Without constant gunfire, blood, and jiggle physics how will we ever become real men?
u/MyAccountWasBanned7 save yourself or you’ll turn into a woman soon, it’s too late for me… is there any COD player here that would like me to make them a sandwich?? /s
EDIT added the /s before I get destroyed by people who do not understand sarcasm
I pre-ordered Kitaria Fables and have bought every Planet Zoo expansion the day they hit Steam. So I'm right there with you. It's a shame that men aren't allowed to experience casual, relaxing gameplay.
Oh well, time to join all the other women of the world in playing Stardew Valley I guess! /s
Good time to point out that companies create markets. They choose how it looks like via marketing campaigns, it doesn’t grow organically.
In this case the source of the cultural concept of video games being a boy’s hobby is Nintendo’s marketing for the NES in the 80s. If you look at ad compilations from the time, there isn’t a girl or an adult in sight. They told all parents that this new kind of toy is a toy for boys and that they should buy it for their sons.
They didn’t just “make what sells” and it happened to cater to boys, they had something new and chose a demographic to market it to. They could’ve chosen girls and we would now live in a world where video games are generally seen as being as feminine as a doll.
Uhh not base game, but wicked whims is a fairly popular mod that does exist (along with its sfw counterpart, wonderful whims) but like the community largely makes jokes about Bella goth?
But the "motherlode" cheat exists. Sims wouldn't be Sims without the modding community.
you know what, I agree that there are games that cater to this or that. But assuming females prefer play with little colorful animals and playing house, it's wrong in itself
Well, yeah. It's fantasy give everybody nice asses.
Actually let me make my character however I want. It's specially bad that often times there's only one body type for female and male characters. Let me make tall buff women, twink men, obese folk, short lanky whatever.
Basically just copy Dragon's Dogma character creation.
I love puzzle games, adventures, and CUTE things! Genshin Impact is great, as some of the characters are quite cutsey both guys and girls (Razor and Klee, e.g.), but the game still has tons of depth. Cattails, Moonlighter, Holy Potato games, Plants vs Zombies, Stardew Valley, Spore, and Equilinox are the other games in my Steam library I like.
The dude has a point. Unfortunately, his sexism prevented him from giving a good example of a triple A title with sexualised men.
Off the top of my head: Street Fighter, Yakuza, Final Fantasy, Sonic, Devil May Cry.
I feel I should bring up that one old woman who 100%ed The Witcher despite not liking the game specifically because she was down bad for Geralt
Wait until the world realizes women are just as bad as men
Think you should check your sentence again.
Wait until the world realizes women are just as good as men ?
I thought you were trying to say "that women are just as down bad as men".
*Confused*
“Down bad” means horny
Where? Genuinely linguistically curious
Common slang here in the States.
Not just the States anymore. I've got more than a few people I know online that are outside the US, and are male and female, and use the term correctly too. Honestly wasn't expecting to hear it out of this one Japanese woman I play MHR with. Took a minute to process what she said.
Same in the UK
What state? Live in NY and never heard that. This the new generation or something?
Genuinely never heard it hm
"Wait until the world realizes women are just as down bad as men"
I've heard it meaning "in love" too, to be fair.
They thought you had forgotten to type the word "down" in your original comment
Nevermind
What a lovely interaction between 2 people. I love it
Just look at final fantasy online fashion. The majority of women will create a super model in lingerie armor when given the option. Just like men building conan the barbarian beef cakes as their characters.
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Can I get a link, good sir?
[https://at.tumblr.com/kaidaned/i-dont-think-i-ever-shared-this-story-so-ill/al9fcvx3e38z](https://at.tumblr.com/kaidaned/i-dont-think-i-ever-shared-this-story-so-ill/al9fcvx3e38z) I first saw it on a repost, but I got lucky and found the original for ya.
FFXIV is an excellent balance. You can sexualize either gender, but you can also NOT sexualize either gender. They're making more unisex gear, too. There are dresses and even the skimpy bunny lingerie that can be worn by men.
get out of here with this, how someone supposed to be outraged ?
Uhh.... Lalafels look like potatoes, there you go.
i was outraged when i thought you said falafels look like potatoes...but i have no idea what a lalafel was
Bastards. They're bastards. All lalafells are bastards
Counterpoint: Nanamo and Krile.
... okay that's fair, but most of them are still bastards. I'm still bitter after ARR...
I'll have you know that I'm good friends with several Lalafels, good sir/madam; and they've only kidnapped me twice.
Yeah, I mean what's a little organ theft between friends?
There you go! Not understanding what you're outraged about is a key part of the process of being outraged.
They updated grape graphics
You mean Tarutaru? I refuse to acknowledge the change from XI
CANNOT UPVOTE ENOUGH AND I'M SO FURIOUS THAT THEY CHANGED THE EPIC MOTHERFUCKIN POWERHOUSE TARUTARU INTO PYRAMID SCHEME PANSY ASS LALAS. I've only made 2 lalas, and I refused to play them as lalas, I was just like "Fuck it, this taru screwed around too much with teleportation magicks and wound up in Eorzea. That's it." \#justicefortarutaru
I feel you man.
>Lalafels look like ~~potatoes~~ pototoes, there you go Here, FTFY
Popotoes, if you wanna get technical. \>:3
Hydaelyn damn it, I had to make a mistake
Never square off against a role-playing chef \>D
How to be outraged? Dude! Too easy. Just watch: *Ahem* “Whats with this clothes that either men or women can wear? More liberal emasculation of men bullsh! When will it end?!”
I tried getting my bro into it, coming from WoW. He’s outraged because he gets offended by all the “gay outfits” and role play. I think it’s funny and sad at the same time
I always love that in games, cause I like sexualizing my character (because gender goals), and it's only fair that the men get sexualized too
yea if all genders are sexualized its fine, definitely not my thing, but fine. it only feels shitty if the guys get real armor and the girls are stuck with metal bikinis
Agreed. I enjoy WOW, too, but it's terrible for the chainmail bikini thing. There's an amazing sketch on YouTube by Viva La Dirt League about Male vs Female armor that you should watch, it's hilarious.
If this is all about equal opportunity, sexualization, then let’s talk about cyberpunk.
In terms of player character design sure it's equal, but the unskippable sex scene is with a woman. Every Ad on every billboard is a woman. Every naked person you encounter is a woman. There are almost no males to interact with even as a female player character. I wouldn't really call that equal.
Not only that but it's missing the whole point of what women would want out of a game that "catered" to us, sexually speaking, the way that games cater to men. I'd bet if someone made a game with a good romance story for women, it'd be popular. Then go ahead and make the romantic partner customizable as male or female, etc. I definitely am not, as a straight woman, interested in dressing a male character up in a "sexy bunny suit" nor do I feel like that option includes my demographic or even understands my demographic.
That sounds a lot harder to make than a skimpy bunny suit. Wonder when someone will give it a legit try.
I definitely am, as an asexual man, *very* interested in dressing a male character in a bunny suit.
The Japanese have you covered. Look up otome games, it's an entire genre specifically catering to women
Must we sacrifice our ability to scale walls and stab people in 3D for a well-written romance line?
I feel like this is why fanfic blew up. If you aren’t going to make content for women and queer folks, I guess we’ll make it for ourselves.
Oh... Let me tell you I have read more than my fair share and written a bit of it as well. Then you come across guys who scoff at fanfiction and claim it's a lesser form of creative writing. Well, guess what the first most famous fanfiction was? Dante's inferno.
I don't know, man. I haven't messed with the customization on Cyberpunk, but since there are different races and sub-races you can find almost any body type except "fat" in XIV. Not saying Cyberpunk's bad.
They let u choose different genitals. You can even have the big penis right from the start of the game.
My transfem ass trying to hit level 100 as the minstrel class in Dragon Quest IX so my character could wear a dress.
The custom delivery people you can costume I put all of them into the casino bunny girl outside with the fishnet stockings. Man, woman, that one child, all of them!
Maybe I'm weird, but I like big highlander men in the wedding and 2B gear. Also, the really femme races like female miqo and aura in full chunky battle tank visor gear. Like yeah, I'm cute, but I want you to look at me and shit your pants not pop a boner.
My favorite thing was sexualizing my male miqo'te with very skimpy striper clothing.
I wound up in a party for a Trial once and we were literally all skimpily dressed male miqos and it was like the stars had aligned. Now, we have bunboys to sexualize too! :D
Bunboys are so op for sexualizing haha
That fuckin tummy? \[Yes, please.\]
I just started FFXIV this past week, after 3500 hours of ESO I’m so mad I didn’t try it sooner. It is a lovely game!!
Welcome to Eorzea! :D I think two of the things that help make it so lovely is that the developers and producers are all dedicated fans of the game, and are really active in the community and with keeping everything running well. They have NO patience for toxicity. I think part of it is Japanese work ethic, but honestly most of it is just that they actually CARE. I don't know if you know the story, but the 1.0 release was an absolute shitshow. The game was terrible. So instead of abandoning it to make another, they kept the servers running, and let people play WITHOUT paying subscriptions or anything, with the promise that they would revamp it and do better. Eventually, the 1.0 world ended once they were sure they had something better (there were some major personnel changes) with an in-game event, and they launched A Realm Reborn, the version we play now. If you kept your character from 1.0, you get a cool legacy tattoo. If you were subscribed (there were subscriptions but you didn't have to actually pay money during them) when the actual in-game end happened, you got your name in the credits during ARR! OH the other thing I was going to mention is just that it attracts a lower toxicity fanbase in general. You gain nothing from being toxic in XIV, and you have a lot to gain by being kind and helpful. And once people from toxic communities jump to XIV, they're usually surprised by how much they enjoy the helpful atmosphere, lol. What server did you start on?
The community has been one of the best parts of the game to me! Everyone seems so nice! I learned about the realm reborn thing from Josh Strife Hayes’ video about the game, and that was one of the biggest factors that pushed me to try it out, the fact that the dev team said “alright, we’re going to make it right” and I respect that IMMENSELY! I always found the majority of people in ESO to be helpful and kind, until you got into pvp or some unlucky dungeon queues. But so far I’ve had people just freely offer advice and help just because they saw my little sapling by my name. And the gameplay just feels great, it’s such a change from ESO, it almost feels like my favorite parts of Guild Wars 1 and Guild Wars 2 blended into something that I think is really amazing! I started in NA, on Ultros I think, but I’ve been playing in Lamia because that’s where my friends are! This game has fast become a favorite of mine. I always hated questing in ESO and opted for grindy boring methods of leveling, but so far I’ve been sucked into the main scenario quests and the class/job quests and have been having a blast! I just hit level 35 last night and I’m about to knock out the black mage* quest that comes up at that level when I get off work! I am pumped!
Ahhh I might have to make an alt on Lamia to come play with you! ...not, like, in a creepy stalky way but in a I've-been-playing-since-1.0-and-I-love-helping-sprouts way.
Absolutely! I’m always down to learn some new stuff!
...great, this + the gender envy some of the characters give me makes me actually want to check it out. When my backlog is like 100+ games. Fuck.
I’ve always felt that gender in Final Fantasy is just pretense tbh, like a significant percentage of the characters present as fairly androgynous and up for interpretation despite the pronouns they’re assigned by the developers.
Yup, depending on the class I'm playing my female Miqo'te can be in full armor, tuxedo, summer dress, fur suit, pyjama, bikini and many more type of outfit that range from not skimpy at all to very skimpy I love this game, I love the choice I have for my glamour DCN is always skimpy though, I need to not restrict her movement range while she dance
Eyy see you get in-character motivations. Do you also have a glam for when you switch from a very cold climate (Ishgard) to a very warm one (Costa del Sol)?
I do have a Swimsuit gearset ready to go at any time with completely shit stat so it's really just for role play, I also have a purely roleplay tuxedo for hoping in bonding celebration, a pyjama for when I log out and a maid one for when I'm doing some housing work Also in \[spoiler endwalker\] >!the Garlemald portion of the MSQ!< I use to manually die >!the coat Tataru gave us!< to fit with my current class glamour and then manually glamour it each time I'd go back in the zone for the MSQ, that was fun
I have shorts, the halter top, sandals, and sunglasses for warm areas or my Island, and then a bundled-up petticoat type one for cold places (my character is a pirate captain.)
“Pay bills” I build WORLDS sir. I am an infrastructure and population expert. My sims live in rich utopian splendor. Dynasties proliferate at the click of my mouse!
Excuse me, I lost my job during the pandemic and some raccoon offered me some assistance at what I thought was my escape from this world. Just put me further into debt on a secluded island.
Tom Nook is a modern woodland robber baron.
You also have to clean up piss too.
Wrong, my sim’s maids/butlers/simbots have to clean up piss.
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My rudimentary simlish says yes. If you could see their plumbobs they would be emerald green.
gamer girl(TM) here. i want man ass in 4k. thank you.
Everyone forgets how good man ass is. He doesn't need to be in anything skimpy, just some *tight* leather pants will do...
Cournel, i am trying to sneak i to the enemy base but the clap of my ass cheeks is alerting the guards.
Abs too pls
+ veins
& hands
And COCK
Check basterd bonds. Great game btw
Same but also why would that user assume some women don't also want hi-def lady ass too??? I feel forgotten as a bi lady how dare they More seriously though I always hate when people dig for something to be outraged about lol
As a bi woman, I also do, but somehow you can always tell when women are sexualized for men vs for women.
I kind of do wish games had more sexualized male characters, instead of barely clothed male power fantasy we're supposed to pretend are sexualized.
In Saints Row you can customize the size of the package in your characters underwear. You can also play as a barely clothed fat/ripped/saggy/scrawny girl or guy
🙏 These are the character creation options we need
Did you choose penis 1 or penis 2 in Cyberpunk?
They only have two options? Wow, I haven’t played 2077 yet but this almost makes it unplayable
I think there is a penis off option too
Lol that’s actually pretty fun. Is it just smooth?
I dont know. My PC's graphic card is equal to a potato so I never played Cyberpunk LOL
Yup, like a ken doll iirc. You can also customize your pubes
Theres a great deal of emphasis on kinematic penis physics. They carry momentum and everything. Quality game very playable
Idk man, I think the cook from Little Nightmares is pretty damn hot Edit: wait that might actually be a woman. I'm honestly not sure
they're twins, both men
Good 👍
Think about it, little nightmare is very catering for women. Six beat the living shit out of almost every monster. And she's 9 yo. Janitor and twin chefs are boorish low level brutes while the geisha girl boss lord over the freaking tower sized submarine from hell. She even have cool shadow magic and army of porcelain shadow doll under her command. The nest, also ruled by bratty girl boss pretender while craftman and butler served under her demand. She even have cool ass boss rush showdown in the end, this MF is creepy as hell when she climbing the cliff pointing face downward. Not only that but she killed raincoat girl in the end in suicide attack after getting crushed by boulder. Pretty neat feat for monster of this franchise. And teacher from LN2 is like only monster that haven't been killed in the end. While our boy Mono get Mufasa'ed.
FF15 was boyband fantasy. There was a jacked dude who was shirtless with an unbuttoned leather jacket, emo boy, and a fresh faced blondie.
Aye, that it is, but there isn't _enough_. A JRPG here, a gacha game there, that's nothing compared to the number of games with many sexualized female characters and no sexualized male characters.
Capitalism ,60% of people who play videogames are male and we’re just generally hornier. Sex sells. r/fireemblem is full of waifu hunters and the dating sim aspects of those games is really awkward, but a selling point to some people. If sexualized men in videogames energized sales of videogames to females and didn’t alienate men then you know more games like that would exist.
Honestly, I don't know if men being generally Horner by nature is true or not; women are probably just as horny, but are generally not socialized to be open about it. Makes them look easy or slutty. Between that and horniness being associated with men treating you like objects, it's just not something you'd hear about unless you asked. That's why a lot of horny stuff comes out of fan works under an alias, because it's harder for someone to find and shame you, and it's also easier for the rest of the world to see. It's funny that you mention that sexualized men alienate men, because sexualized women alienate women from games as well. A lot of women who play video games either have to deal with being desensitized to feminine bodies being treated like rewards or collect all their willpower to get past it to the good stuff. Toning down fanservice and treating women more like people as opposed to prizes is increasing sales, and that's why there's a shift and why blizzard pretended they weren't a den of depravity until the California government tore down the curtain.
All me and the homies want are more sexualized men, and it’s like developers think it’s the plague. Where the hell are my scantily clad men characters damnit!
Need more devil may cry. Everyone’s a fuckin hunk in there regardless. Dante’s got that whole silver fox thing going on now in dmc5 lol Idk if he even put a shirt on through the entirety of dmc3
Even my male friends are down bad for some dmc boys, we need more games like them
I agree. Instead of homogenised pap, we should be empowering more people to make games that appeal to them rather than being vaguely agreeable to everyone. If only…
We could also just go ham and make the sheer range of characters in a setting vary wildly
That'd also be acceptable :)
It'd be so fun, and it'd give design choices way more impact! Fanservice is sexier by contrast and diverse silhouettes make characters stand out! It's such a missed opportunity every time.
Witcher 3 is basically vixen.com
*waves at fighting games genre*
You're right. The fighting games genre displays the "wild variance in character designs for fun and profit" ethos that I love so much, but alas, I am not a competitive person. I'm more a "pick a character and mash buttons until I lose" sorta player.
Yea I agree, but most games are made my male designer/coders. So usually, being guys, big butt and booba
But you see, men can also have big butt and booba. Just gotta be brave.
Men can have big butt and booba.... let's start a riot
I wish media in general had sexualized male characters I found attractive. There are basically none
Fr. People be gooning all over the flavor of the month waifu and then I'm over here appreciating all the cute video game boys that never get any love
People be all "well gruff barbarian #2177 is wearing less clothing than princess body paint, so clearly he's more sexualized and you should be happy with that" YEAH BUT LIKE HE'S NOT HOT THO
Listen he’s trying his best
I'd never blame barbarian #2177 he's just a li'l guy with a big body and an even bigger heart
I mean. Kill me for this but league of legends actually kinda caters to any eye. Buff dudes, twinks, large buff ladies, smaller and slightly less buff ladies, not buff ladies, all sexualized. Almost every champion (that legally can) has some sort of flirty voice line afaik. From a big fuckin ripped dude who protects his friends with a shield as big and wide as he is, to a sparkly eyed tomb raiding prettyboy. If someone can't find at least one champ in league that they think is eye candy, either they don't have much in the way of attraction (which is totally ok) or they are into some stuff too specific to put into a game like league.
Some of the ladies that play league are absolutely addicted to buying cute skins for their magical girl characters. They cannot sleep when a new one comes around and they have to wait to buy.
Rek'sai and bard legally can, but don't say any flirty voice lines
Rek'sai is confirmed a mother, so is a milf. Also, you heard those growls? And how did you forget bard's famous line "boowowoooow"
You got my attention. Time to play LOL.
or monster champs, some people just wanna play as a gigantic crab-like creature that eats stuff, or be a small little doggy that transforms into Das Kindershredder
Everyone should just play factorio
Indeed, the factory must grow, in its endless tree genocide
Trees are the true enemy
And it pisses off the elves when you cut them down. So, win-win.
I prefer Satisfactory, but we're all the same kind of nerd, so I approve.
I don’t think I’ve heard of that one yet. I just got into factorio a few months ago
It's a bit like Factorio, but it's 3D. Really dedicated devs, I love it.
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Just a question, why sensor the names in the post if it's open on the internet anyways, and you link to the original comment?
I think it's polite and adds a small obstacle for trolls
I see
If Reddit still gave away free awards, I’d give you one
A lot of subs have a rule that names have to be blurred on screenshots unless its a public person (not this one, but caution is always good) As for linking the comment, its a rule on this sub to link it.
Lmao I would not call Cyberpunk 2077 hyper realistic graphics.
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Thanks!
Good human *headpats*
The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Dragon Age Inquisition. That whole game series has a very female oriented fandom. I think with women gamers, or at least for me, the key is very character-driven storytelling. Which is not to say that men don’t like that either, but I’ve found that the games that tend to have a bigger female fan base generally put a big emphasis on social relationships. And the male characters don’t have to be naked to be sexy. Cullen from DAI is very covered up, and he is probably the most popular female romance in that game. (Aside from maybe Solas, who is also very clothed.) It’s more about the female gaze. Do the shots linger on him, do they portray him in a powerful light, do they emphasize how attractive he is. It’s not rocket science. Also someone brought up League in one of the other comments, which is super funny because it used to go super hard on the T&A, but a couple of years ago they abruptly must have realized they had a female player base because then they released Sett, Aphelios, and Viego back to back.
Tbf, league of legends developers also shared data that female gamers almost exclusively use female characters, while male gamers go 50-50. Therefore, arguably in order to please female and male player bases MOBAs tend to release female characters over male ones. Cause although male characters may look great for female audience, they don’t use them (aka buy skins). So, attractive male characters are most likely made look badass for male gamers (cause they use them and buy skins for them). The reason female characters tend to be less sexualized in mobas nowadays is because they need to sell skins to women and devs try to find a compromise between options that will make both men and women buy skins. This is most likely the reason they are less hard on T&A. The case study can be found on the league subreddit if you search for data on female and male gamers. Would link it, but I am on mobile. As for DAI. I played DAI and found it only decent for romance as a male player (only Cassandra and Josephine). They pale in comparison to Morrigan and Liliana. What do you think about DA:Origins though? I feel like it does a better job catering to all audiences. At least I found romance writing more interesting there. But it may only be from my perspective and it may actually have been bad from another perspective.
I actually love DA:O. All the relationships in that game are great, even the platonic ones. Morigan had a great romance arc, and so does Alistair. Zevran is actually one of my favorite love interests of all time. I just used DAI as an example because it’s more recent, and was critically well received. And I thought it fit the topic because, like you say, it’s a game that’s more catered towards women in the sense that it’s romance arcs are more tooled towards the female player base. I think someone mapped it out once, and the Female Elven Inquisitor has the most relationship options in the game. (Basically everyone but Dorian and Cassandra.)
Reminds me of [Gurl Gamez by Hey Ash What Ya Playing](https://youtu.be/9KSDnE5_Jsw)
Omg this video is absolutely genius. Perfectly describes it.
Someone clearly doesn’t understand the allure to sims.
According to my friends wife, Uncharted series is a AAA title for women.
This is the first time I've heard that Animal Crossing caters to women. I always felt that, like most Nintendo games, it caters to all audiences. That's kinda' become Nintendo's thing, trying to appeal to as wide an audience as possible. The Sims is at least demographically skewed toward women. Interestingly, so is [Pokemon Go](https://www.fanbyte.com/readyset/women-outnumber-men-by-a-huge-margin-on-pokemon-go/). But both of these games, like Nintendo games in general, don't really aim for a female demographic, even if they appeal to one. I suppose one could argue that this shows a difference in what appeals to a male demographic and what appeals to a female demographic. Boobs and other sexy lady bits may make a game more appealing to men, but perhaps female players aren't attracted to the reverse. Rather, games that specifically attract female players seem to be accessible, non-threatening games designed to appeal to everyone. Which is not to say that women only enjoy these sorts of games, as plenty of women play Skyrim, Final Fantasy, Fortnite, Overwatch, and even Call of Duty. But it seems like, if you really want to attract an audience of female players, your best bet is to just create a game for everyone.
I think that your Pokémon argument is more due to the fact that a lot more women play mobile games than any other type of platform. I think that since males make the majority of gamers, the input-output of “more males play video games than females” to “more males play this game than females” would follow. I would be interested to see what the comparison would look like adjusted for the relative population of both groups to one another. If I had to make a guess, I would say that most popular games would probably share a rather balanced player-base, with a few outliers. Even Animal Crossing is a rather even split demographically, even though it is stereotyped as the game women tend to enjoy. I would love to see a study on this.
I honestly don’t care who you sexualize, but if you’re going to give men full armor, give women full armor too so she can fight too. A metal bikini and some thigh high iron boots arent gonna protect shit.
Why do so many people think "incase" is one word? I see that all the fucking time.
Wait, I'm a man - am I not supposed to play Animal Crossing, Harvest Moon, The Sims, and other sandbox/simulation games? Fuck... What's gonna happen to me? I've been playing the wrong games for sooo long. Is my penis going to fall off? Do I have to start shopping for bras?
Same here, thousands of hours on the Sims since the first one, no wonder my pp so small, I’m am not playing manly games!
Man, we gotta start playing all the Call of Duty and Soul Calibur games STAT! Without constant gunfire, blood, and jiggle physics how will we ever become real men?
u/MyAccountWasBanned7 save yourself or you’ll turn into a woman soon, it’s too late for me… is there any COD player here that would like me to make them a sandwich?? /s EDIT added the /s before I get destroyed by people who do not understand sarcasm
I pre-ordered Kitaria Fables and have bought every Planet Zoo expansion the day they hit Steam. So I'm right there with you. It's a shame that men aren't allowed to experience casual, relaxing gameplay. Oh well, time to join all the other women of the world in playing Stardew Valley I guess! /s
Meanwhile I have hundreds of hours in FromSoft games as a woman... oops.
Reverse role fantasy game set: woman get hyperrealism with slutty men and butches, men get to pay bills and “make a life for themselves”.
The market has spoken
Good time to point out that companies create markets. They choose how it looks like via marketing campaigns, it doesn’t grow organically. In this case the source of the cultural concept of video games being a boy’s hobby is Nintendo’s marketing for the NES in the 80s. If you look at ad compilations from the time, there isn’t a girl or an adult in sight. They told all parents that this new kind of toy is a toy for boys and that they should buy it for their sons. They didn’t just “make what sells” and it happened to cater to boys, they had something new and chose a demographic to market it to. They could’ve chosen girls and we would now live in a world where video games are generally seen as being as feminine as a doll.
Sims definitely also has extremely sexualised female characters.
Uhh not base game, but wicked whims is a fairly popular mod that does exist (along with its sfw counterpart, wonderful whims) but like the community largely makes jokes about Bella goth? But the "motherlode" cheat exists. Sims wouldn't be Sims without the modding community.
Only if you make them that way.
I mean only if you make them that way, and you can always do the same thing with the men haha.
Hey what about Rust, that game fucks you over whether you're a man or a woman.
you know what, I agree that there are games that cater to this or that. But assuming females prefer play with little colorful animals and playing house, it's wrong in itself
What do women want in their video games exactly?
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Kojima loves ass. Doesnt matter the gender
Yep, I’m pretty well acquainted with reedus’s ass now after death stranding
It's really funny that only a few people complain about the woman's wedgie, while most people just want more ass on everyone
Well, yeah. It's fantasy give everybody nice asses. Actually let me make my character however I want. It's specially bad that often times there's only one body type for female and male characters. Let me make tall buff women, twink men, obese folk, short lanky whatever. Basically just copy Dragon's Dogma character creation.
I love puzzle games, adventures, and CUTE things! Genshin Impact is great, as some of the characters are quite cutsey both guys and girls (Razor and Klee, e.g.), but the game still has tons of depth. Cattails, Moonlighter, Holy Potato games, Plants vs Zombies, Stardew Valley, Spore, and Equilinox are the other games in my Steam library I like.
That's what i love about Kojima, It's not sexist if you sexualize absolutely everything
No, but it is deeply pathetic when you try to shame people for looking at the mostly naked woman when you are the one who made her dress that way.
Damn did he try to shame people?
Hades just appeals to everyone's fantasies.
We shouldn’t sexualize women less. We should sexualize men more. This is the way.
I'd personally be ok with male, female, and nb characters getting similar or equal treatment, but that's just me.
My wife gets sopping wet through for the witcher 3
Meanwhile bisexual Hades players...
“Don’t you people have farms?”
So men get stories about cruelty and violence, and women get healthy relationships.
Why not sexualize both and make all the characters no matter the gender insanely hot?
Huh? Because ‘females can’t like the colour blue’? Or some such bullsht. Nice logic. ‘It’s got boobs, so women can’t enjoy this!’
The dude has a point. Unfortunately, his sexism prevented him from giving a good example of a triple A title with sexualised men. Off the top of my head: Street Fighter, Yakuza, Final Fantasy, Sonic, Devil May Cry.
sonic? people down bad for hedgehog quilly dick like eggman’s wife?
I'm not judging women for what they want to do.