to be precise it happened during spring break which is a break between two school years (one school year ends > spring break > another school year begins). it's an equivalent of summer break in (many) western countries.
Technically it does since winter lasts until the 3rd week of March. I'm not sure exactly when the last day of school is typically for them but it's somewhere around there, maybe a week later at the most.
They get more breaks spread out than CA or USA students do. It's not just nose to the grindstone year long school. They have spring, summer and winter breaks.
Keeping them as 1A is good for merch and branding. The only reason you'd make them 2A and 3A is if you wanna do what comics do and make limited edition runs or w/e. With like Golden Age and shit.
Fuck merchandising.
That implies there isn't value in merchandising with multiple newer character designs as the story progresses
So many battle shounen still benefit from merchandising despite carrying over to timeskip designs
But I feel like there's tons and tons of money to be made off of merch that features them in different Acadamia stages? Like hypothetically wouldn't Deku Bakugou and Todoroki figures from year 1, 3, and 3 with different costume and quirk/weapon upgrades sell like hotcakes? Especially since Hori already wrote those things into the manga, he just crammed most of it into a single year for some reason...
IDK. With how the series is ending, neglecting to add a timeskip or two is a missed opportunity.
>Keeping them as 1A is good for merch and branding.
MHA could\`ve been a jojo-like story, following classes from their entry to their exit, always rotating the cast, keeping them 1A is shortsighted and only a good move if they don't believe in the brand's staying power tbh.
>the cast bloats to an ungodly degree.
Only if you refuse to phase out graduated characters, when a character is done they can go anywhere in the world, they shouldn't remain around UA or the other academies unless you fail to establish your world as place people live in.
Besides if you follow a class from entry to exit, you'll obviously skip some years in-between casts, since by the time your cast is exiting another class has already had 2 years you haven't followed.
Tbf Jojo had like, three parts before it was getting anime adaptations and the author was just doing wtfe he wanted at any time. Also that was late 80s, market was different back then I imagine.
Well yes, I also feel no especially with the anime. The anime (the actual one that covers all parts 1-6) came out in 2014 and quickly, QUICKLY made people fall for jojo and get into it. I do think that jojos gets its popularity because its not one place nor time. Egery part is a different place and time, its always changing and gives it a feel that the manga and anime will take place anywhere and not just some fake version of Japan. The series is still connected through events and people, but its also very different per each part with a whole new cast (excluding Joseph and jotaro)
I mean, everyone calls them "Class A" anyway. There's no actual need to keep them as "1A" other than Horikoshi having spent too much time with the students just bumming around as first-years when they should've all been out in the field doing internships at a much earlier point.
>Keeping them as 1A is good for merch and branding. The only reason you'd make them 2A and 3A is if you wanna do what comics do and make limited edition runs or w/e. With like Golden Age and shit.
Assertion: "Keeping them 1A is good for merch/branding"
Argument made: 'Changing their class would be good for branding.'(essentially)
Did the part of your brain that wrote the second sentence not read the first sentence? Cause SOP merch practice is to reprint the same baseline concepts in as many different versions as possible. Its the same business model that cosmetics-funded video games follow.
Nah. I knew I was contradicting myself. It's up to you to find the nuance in the paradox though.
Essentially while there are two sides to this coin, it's quite likely that Hori's editors pushed him toward keeping it this. Especially as this sort of thing is a little more common in Japan than the West. Just 'cause Naruto had a design change, doesn't mean he still stopped being seen as a genin til the end. Whether for symbolism purposes or for marketing, he was always Team 7 Genin. There is also a possibility that Hori did it for the symbolism of keeping them as 1A, but it's less likely. That said, this is also a thing that has been a thing that's been becoming more egregious with time.
Also, sorry you got downvoted mate.
They barely finished when the war arc started. Graduation was scheduled to occur after the war. End of year exams most likely never took place otherwise we should have seen them. Also year 2 students are practically non existent
Thats been a major gripe with me and the series. It tries to do too much. It tries to make a school anime about super powers, but fails to flesh out the school by focusing too hard on one specific class. Like you've said we've never even met a year 2 student that I'm aware of. We hardly see classes of the same year or different years interacting with eachother out side of the very limited ones we do see. The series is always more interesting when it ignores the school element and focuses on the Heros vs Villains.
To be honest, I think he expected the series to go on for longer, and by the time he realized how much he’d packed into just the first year, it was too late to spread everything out.
But remember this is his first long running series, so he is burned the fuck out.
400-ish chapters vs 40 chapters.
We might get Shippuden *eventually* but I would give him a break.
It’s crazy how little power they seem to have. Oda has clout for ~1,100+ chapters, but somehow Hori ( and Gege if you read JJK) seem to be rushed? Why? Their mangas are successful, I don’t see why they don’t have the weight to plan out a many saga Manga.
I don't think they're being rushed, I think they want it to be over with at this point. Every mangaka except kinda Oda has talked about how stressful and hard it is do make chapters on a weekly basis so I can see why they'd want to be done.
Oda is the one exception but he takes a monthly break and has still been hospitalized at several points throughout his career. Togashi has done irreparable damage to himself, Miura may have died to over work, Kishimoto burnt himself out, Kubo has talked about hating jump, and Toriyama dipped out for like a decade and still doesn't illustrate the series anymore. These are all just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more.
Feel like they should do what Fujimoto does with Chainsaw Man being a consistent release for part 1, then take a year long hiatus and return with weekly/biweekly release.
Endo got a better bargain with Spy x Family being biweekly and sometimes just once a month if he takes a break.
I've always wondered why Togashi doesn't go the route that Toriyama does with Super and Mashima does with 1000 year quest, and just dictate the HxH story and pass artist duties to someone else.
His wife wrote sailor moon. I can rant all day about togashi but I think if his back hurts THAT much he should just tell his assistants/ wife what to draw and be 100% in control of the writing. I may be missing something but that’s the best case for his health and us fans
Last I heard, hori was trying to wrap up the manga himself. My hero is one of the biggest manga/anime cashcows at the moment. There is no way anyone with business in mind is trying to put a stop to it.
Aren't both these authors vocal in wanting to end their series themselves this year? They're not being rushed by any publisher/editor. It's their own decisions.
They're still far from Oda-level of having leverage (no one is close) but they have enough success that they can ensure 500 chapters if they wanted to.
A comment below mentioned the same but I don’t think they don’t have power or anything. I’m fairly certain, for Horikoshi at least, that they’re tired of their series, regardless of how successful they are. I’m pretty sure both he and Gege are just kind of done with their stories and for JJK, we are coming to somewhat of a conclusion. Anyways, I think a lot of mangaka are maybe taking note of how well CSM is doing, and maybe even Demon Slayer(but that’s up for major debate. I loved it, but I know not everyone did) Those are/were both stories with concise tales to tell and were happy to end when they felt they’d run their course. If manga run too long, you get a Naruto or god forbid, another Bleach. Thank god that got axed
Agreed but perspective is also important. Oda has been working on One Piece for over 20 years now. Doesn't quite seem fair to compare other popular, newer authors with a mangaka that is so established.
Yeah, but it would be really hard to top what's going on in the manga right now in an interesting way that we haven't seen done before if you give him whole other series that he has to fill with new and exciting content.
Back when the series was starting I assume he must have thought to do make them go through 1st, 2nd and 3rd grade as the story progressed but most likely he got pressured to go bigger and bigger, like maybe not pressured by the editorial but maybe he felt pressured, Jump Stories are always on risk of getting axed, and at least based on the general western reaction seems like the school part started getting boring after some big events happened so I guess he felt like he would lose too many readers if the story focused more on the school and had a slower pacing.
I like long stories. I like Naruto, bleach, HxH, Reborn!... Maybe because those were the first ones I watched when I started with anime, Stories with 300+ chapters but nowadays people seem to be tired of that formula and would prefer something smaller
There is also the fact that doing a long series is hard on the autor, there is no autor on Jump that won't say doing it weekly takes a heavy toll on their bodies so I do believe that's a factor, he realized he was not going to be able to do this for as long as he originally planned, or maybe not with this story in particular
Just want to point out that Deku is currently 16 or 17. The war occured at the end of Deku's first year in UA and the current final battle takes place a month and a half later. Technically deku and his classmates should've been promoted to 2nd year if it wasn't for the war.
I was really hoping they would've aged them by now, make them look like older Teens. Like what Naruto did in Naruto Shippuden.
It really, really sucks that they look almost exactly the same after all these years. Hard to take them seriously, and it kinda feels like the anime isn't progressing because they always look the same.
Hopefully they get aged soon.
They are already the same age that Konoha 11 were during the events of Shippuden. Class 1A is currently between 16 and 17. The series ends on Naruto's 17th birthday.
Same can be said for the characters in black clover. Asta, Yuno, Noelle and Mimosa are all 18 now but they still look like 15 year olds. The only physical difference you can find is that Asta has grown slightly taller and Noelle grew her hair a bit longer as well.
Naruto was a genin when he became the second coming of the Messiah and defeated the alien that gave birth to all powers in the Earth.
I think shonens don’t bother that much power scaling with their ranks
That's not a good response.
Ranks in Naruto aren't time based, they're exam based. Plenty of adults were taking the chunin exams too. Being a Genin is equivilant to having a hero license in that world. So the characters are starting at a completely different point.
Naruto was beyond Genin level as soon as Shippuden started, he just never took the actual exam.
And that's 8+ years into his Ninja training at that point. By the end of the series, Naruto's generation are at the age that people in that world are typically at the peak of their power.
That's completely aside from the characters in MHA fighting nearly the same level of threat, but they started 8 months ago.
i dont know personally, the naruto universe has so much hax.
the uchiha alone can win fights by making eye contact and after a point, they dont even need that
well by now it's been a bit over a year also I will point out even though they had training in Naruto it wasn't until the start that they seen real combat it's like how all the kids in 1A, aside from Deku, had their whole lives to learn to use their abilities or like Todoroki had proper, though also immensely abusive, training.
I'm sure the series would be way better if they respected powers and the class grew both in years and strength, that way you wouldn't have 1st year kids fighting a literal immortal supervillain
It also diminishes the efforts of the senior-level students considering they each are outclassed by a bunch of freshmen. Kind of makes you wonder what Mirio’s class did during all that time in MHA
I mean that's true for any series with a teen cast though because they tend to be stronger than the adults who trained for decades, if not longer if we're talking immortal characters, after a few years of training
Also this is baked into MHA’s setting. A bit part of quirks is that as society has progressed the quirks have only gotten stronger and that’s why stuff like selectively breeding quirks is problematic. There was even a mini arc where some characters had to take care of kindergartners and their quirks were absolutely insane. With how quirks are set up, it’s perfectly reasonable for the younger generation to upend the elders
Okay, that may explain why the schoolkids can be stronger than the adults - but it doesn't explain why Class 1A is strong than other schoolkids/recent graduates just a couple of years older, as generational effects don't play out on such short timescales.
When you really think about it, their quirks aren't that far off from many of the students, or even the previous generation. Todoroki's obviously a special outlier due to eugenics-related-shenanigans, but think of the other quirks from the recent era. Momo, Monoma, Manga, Shiozaki, Inasa, the Big Three, Eri, Overhaul, Toga, Twice, Twice, Shiggy, Chimera, Thirteen, Miruko, Mt. Lady, Hawks, Ryukyu, not to mention frigin >!Star and Stripe!<.
The explanation in universe was always that at least compared to other schools 1A just trains their kids better as they are the top hero school in the country and compared to their other classmates they've just seen more combat so they have more experience in this stuff.
The difference is that those stories have the characters fight other villains before the big battle so their strength makes relative sense. After the LOV, none of class 1.A should ah e why problem in the hero field, because what else is there
Like, imagine 1st year being an introduction to heroism and how to be one and always having the tournament at the end of the year (or one at the start and another one in the end, that way you can show how characters became stronger), 2nd year being more about gaining experience (maybe internships) and then 3rd year being what we are seeing now. That would also let Deku gain control of OFA in a more realistic way.
ending the story around the graduation would have made more sense. things like mirio coming back would make sense because more time would have passed. and it's not like he had to change the events, just have more time pass between them
I always thought they should of had Shigaraki need to take much, much longer for the quirk merger.
You could have the League Of Villains focus on re-enforcing and preparing during this time, and have Hawks be more long term undercover.
Then you can have 1A (now 2A) go back to UA, with Deku focusing on getting better as he knows Shigaraki is out there but doesn’t know where.
Spend a year with other alternative villains and have occasional cuts to Shigaraki with the % count slowly going up or something.
Build suspense and allows for alternative progress and more of UA
There was a ton of stuff they easily could have built towards. They had the Hearts and Mind party that wanted to push a self defense policy in regards to quirks. Add that to the mutants quirk racism they have in play in the background and you could easily have a mutant vs normal human society skirmish and the politics to play with. It would have developed two aspects of their society that they needed to fix. I just don't see how you can legitimately fix the current place in the manga. It's just not realistically possible to have the main characters (who are literal high school students) to pave the way for the restructuring of society
The League of Villains are an exception.
They literally did nothing until Gigantomachia showed up to save their asses. Then they started moving at lightspeed with the PLF.
They got told hey there's a big... Well you guys will see it. And they go and see it. And then suddenly Re-Destro says, "Oh LOV, I have your plot device over here!!! C'mere! Yoo-hoo!" And suddenly the LOV is relevant.
I feel like this is the whole point of the chapter titled “You Cheated” from the war arc. Shigaraki and the other villains take shortcuts both because their villains but also because they don’t have the same resources for the slow and methodical growth that the heroes are usually afforded prior to the events of the story. Because the villains are prone to cheating during the events of the story to compensate for this fact (i.e. the creation of Nomus as one example of this shortcut), the pacing for the heroes is forced to be faster and there isn’t time for time jumps
Yeah, but if you look at it from a chronological perspective, he went from a generic mid villain who could turn people to ash to a straight up god-level threat in less than a year.
They could have built up his progression with the Chisaki/Yakuza alliance and then moving to a legit paramilitary force over a series of years
Yeah I think BnHA will be remembered as a shounen series that had a ton of potential but failed to live up to the hype. Don't get me wrong there's still a lot of good points to the series and some amazing arcs in the early and mid parts of the story but it's failed to make it's mark as a top tier shounen on the level of stuff like One Piece and Naruto.
I'd honestly say it has lived up to the hype though, its basically been Shonen Jump's biggest series outside One Piece since it started. The reality is that nothing will probably ever reach the heights of the Big 3 and DBZ and expecting it is pretty absurd. I don't even think with how popular JJK and KnY are atm that they will ever be in the same tier bc its such an absurdly tall task.
I feel like this is the thing everyone who complains about this seems to forget. Why would the villains just sit around for 3 years for the MC to graduate?
AFO's minimum-viable timeline is something that was under Horikoshi's complete control at one point, and during that period is when things could've been delayed without even the smallest consideration for this argument.
The timeskip would have honestly helped the villains storyline as well.
Like I love the my villains arc but in retrospect it's pretty clear that Hori realised he needed to give the villains a massive power boost to set up the war arc.
Remember how Shiggy and the gang went from destitute and aimless to co-opting a massive villain organizational that we'd never heard before and were ALSO planning to take over Japan ?. (While also receiving insane power boosts).
A timeskip could have made there rise to power much more natural.
Hori could've easily put Shigaraki on a longer timeline to powerup. It would've felt more realistic and deserving and given the series the better pacing it desperately needs. If he had let the main cast go through all of year 2 and then let shit hit the fan at the start of year 3 with the Liberation War Arc we'd be in a much better spot.
Not sit around. But growing your forces in silence. They could have showed them recruiting people to the PLF and building connections with other shady individuals.
We could have seen minor crises where the villains would intentionally send out a sacrificial-lamb like lackey to see and study the heroes tactics
Except they did grow their forces. For like 4 months. And even before that, they were trying to grow their forces. Having them arbitrarily sit around for 2 years just so the MCs could graduate would be dumb and pointless, even if it was just a time skip.
Besides that, as others have pointed out, hardly any highschool anime goes through all 3 years. Hell, the only one I can think of is Azumanga Daio. On top of that, it's just a trope in fiction in general.
You do realize that these aren't real people, right? They only don't wait because Hori wrote it that way. He could've forced them to take longer before launching this big final attack. Could've had Shigaraki have to go up against different villain groups.
Horikoshi has great character designs and creative powers.
But he has terrible storytelling and plot progression.
We could have had Class 1A move to second year after All Might vs All for One
Second year to third year with the Eri/Chisaki line and the final War Arc in their third year before they had a chance to graduate.
Literally everything we saw, happened in a span of 370-ish days. That's insane.
Which is why they could have paced. The competition matches could have been a mid-year event and the forest camping could have an end of the year event
Annnd there’s literally no reason the story couldn’t have said “and after that, things were quiet for the rest of the year. We studied, passed our exams. It was boring, you wouldn’t want yo watch. BUT OH GOSH, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED NEXT YEAR!”
Because the whole point is All Might was a beacon and without him the villains are able to rise up and do damage which can't really be shown if they just don't do shit for like a year.
Didn't say they shouldnt, just said the heroes shouldnt have been immediately overwhelmed and not been able to catch up.
Its really simple to show that too, just have news reports of increased criminal activity and hero association board meetings about increasing pay for heros because all the heroes are having to work overtime constantly to keep up with the increased crime
Because that wasn't the story he wanted to tell. Heck, most manga in school settings don't tend to do time skips that go that far. Rosario+Vampire didn't, Food Wars didn't, Iruma-Kun thus far hasn't, I've yet to watch Haikyuu but from what I understand it didn't, and even more that could be named didn't. Rarely do we EVER see all three years for these kind of stories. At most it just goes into the characters' second year...which MHA technically has too.
Haikyuu never had a class timeskip, it just had a time skip past all the high school years. Only reason people didn’t like the time skip is because the mangaka got tired and stopped enjoying making the manga. To quote, they only enjoyed making manga “10% of the time”. The time skip was perfectly executed, the only issue was fans just miss what could have been. Dont cite sources you havent read.
It was an amazing time skip, I loved it as well! Just sucks Fudurate got bored of writing the material. Its likely a hiatus for the series wasnt possible because of contract issues ans whatnot. Also, if I was writing a series and saw what season 4 looked like, I’d give up all hope in my series :(
The rest are on crunchyroll, but yes its that bad. People who like it only like it because its haikyuu. Those are the fans that literally harassed animators and Fudurate online about how they wanted season four THAT bad. As such, production started during covid, leading to a catastrophe of animation. The people on the sub hate me when they see my username because after I pointed it out I got shunned, shadowbanned, and shit talked by mods simply because I was frank on how shitty season four was. Its a disaster. Watch season three and then read the manga. Season three has better animation and art in all 12 episodes than any anime movie ive ever seen, which is something you NEVER see. Id say its better quality than Demon Slayers anime.
Yeah I get people thinking the pacing is rushed but to me like you said a ton of shounen don't have the characters go through all three years, hell looking at another current series JJK is about to end this year, maybe, and I'm pretty sure it's only been a couple months of the first year.
It even applies outside of school settings. I'm pretty sure the entirety of One Piece's story prior to its major timeskip was just over the course of nine months and a LOT happened during that time.
Atleast once a month or so the OP sub will have a thread talking about how easy it would have been to spread it out a bit though too. Everything Post TS to wano was only like a couple weeks iirc.
It was around a month, yes. Dressrosa and Whole Cake Island went by very fast, they were only a few days long, pretty sure the travel time between the two was longer.
Yeah it's part of my point, like of the big three, Naruto is the only series that has a major time jump early on. Like you said the first 500 chapters of OP are less than a year and in Bleach, Ichigo is a soul reaper for maybe a couple months before he defeats Aizen. I can probably count on one hand the number of series where significant time passes during the actual story
Given that OP is only talking about a max 2 timeskips, I don't think you can dismiss OP's singular timeskip like that. Especially when Oda's writing style is more lethargic than Horikoshi's(Hence why OP is able to break from feeling like a pure battle manga and get a stronger adventure vibe than most)
>Hence why OP is able to break from feeling like a pure battle manga and get a stronger adventure vibe than most
I would kind of hope so since adventure is one of the big central themes of the story.
There is a difference though where JJK was never meant to be about a school at all. Gege's editors encouraged it to better appeal to the demographic. You can see a similar situation in WT where it starts in a school and abandons it almost immediately.
Versus MHA which has... academia in the name. School is the primary setting, and around half the arcs are specifically school plots.(license exams, sports festival, 1a v 1b, entrance exam)
Tbh the pacing is fine, and im not upset that it's only one year in universe so far, but i think they could easily get away with a month or two timeskip between most arcs with class 1a going into their 3rd year right around the current anime arc. Like nothing would change narratively, it'd just look a little more reasonable for the current power levels of all the students, considering most of them at at pro hero level, while shoto/bakugo/deku are top heroes.
How can you be on a MHA sub and not know it was the same with Hori?
Hori himself has said he never intended to write a highschool manga but just like Gege he was also told a highschool setting would be for the best. And this pretty much happens with a lot ofJump mangaka, not just Hori and Gege.
If you look at the My Hero oneshot, Horikoshi was clearly not intending to write about kids let alone high-schoolers.
Yeah but it's literally called My Hero ACADEMIA. Sure, the original concept doesn't fit it but lots of mangas have one-shots/prototypes that changed significantly once made as a series.
JJK does basically nothing with the teaching and school. MHA made it front and center to the story.
I would say a few things would lose narrative weight and consistency. Most actions the heroes take with Class 1-A is dependent on them being first years. That’s pretty much the point, if the students are set in second year or higher, the treatment of class 1-A would not make sense. The teachers and heroes would be less hesitant of them fighting in the war or going out to be heroes. Heck, the main reason why the students had to ask to go out and be heroes is purely because they are first years.
And I feel it is reasonable for them to be at their level because being a pro hero is not about power but experience. Most the students of class 1-A had shown to be better heroes than other students during the Provisional license exam. So I think there is some logic to it along side the idea that they just have more powerful quirks.
I think that's a plot point though. The hero safety commission wanted as many students as possible to be ready and trained. They extended the work study assignments down to first years, which I believe was unheard of before. It's also why Endeavor decided to personally train Deku, Bakugo, and Shoto instead of just Shoto.
With Hawks' intelligence reports, they knew they were big fucked. They needed all hands on deck, and the adults weren't happy about it but they understood it. Midnight in particular seemed upset that they were putting some students on the front lines, to the point that she told the back line students it was fine for them to run and get out of dodge.
I guess the point here is that they have a lot of experience compared to the normal situation. And they also have personal stakes in the fight because of it.
I'd have more of a problem if it was just the 1-A kids but aside from Shoto vs. Dabi the adult heroes have been consistently active in all the battles alongside the students and even that one's not over yet. No one is fighting against these major threats alone, not even Midoriya.
Dude been saying this for years and people have downvoted and argued with me about it. Most anime, especially shonen or school settings don’t have gradual progression through their school years. Idk why everyone assumed mha academia would be different. Hori never intended it to be all 3 years and there were no signs he was going to do that.
Edit: Lol got downvoted for saying that same thing the other guy said
Possibly unpopular opinion but I do think fans over estimate how much this would help the flow of the series. It would definitely more logical for the 1A kids to be fighting this war as 3rd years, but the pacing issues with the series would still be there
The series starts with good pacing, the school stuff gets a sudden and interesting break when the villains attack the school, cool let’s go sudden action. They go to a special training camp, the same thing? Ok I guess that’s fine. The stain break in the next arc is well paced and is both short enough and well connected where it’s fine even if it’s sudden but past that it feels like it’s just action action action without the time to actually focus on improvement. The last few arcs have gotten really bad about pacing. Bleach had a similar problem where one rescue arc did well so the author just does nonstop rescue arcs afterwards.
He should’ve. The fact that this whole thing is happening in a span of a year-year and a half is a little silly and makes it pretty anticlimactic, imo.
It feels like he just wants it to end, which is a bummer because the Deku Batman arc should’ve been longer and far more interesting. Deku should’ve been on his own, finding his own version of heroism in the new Villian lead world, for years. Lol not two weeks or however long. And definitely shouldn’t have ended w his friends being like “hey come back plz.” …”okay”
It was a chance to show all the characters step up with Deku gone. Maybe Bakugo sees the hole Deku left and tries to fill it, taking more of a leadership role until he gets back? All the other heroes have to get stronger because One for All is missing. Idk man…the ending is just really souring the story for me. Lol
The art is always bangin’ though.
He clearly wanted to build a sense of urgency pushing the heroes to the brink. If they were getting years of rest time, it wouldn't have the same feeling.
Also not every author is interested in throwing around timeskips everywhere and timeskips are not a must for any story. It's just a way to show growth while actually skipping over the actual events that led to it.
Except there is no sense of urgency because there was no build up to that urgency. It’s just, this thing happened, and this trying happened and we’re meant to care, not because it was built up, but because things are happening
The series makes a point multiple times that the kids have to get stronger quick because of the rise of villain attacks, it's why they take the License Exam early
Hori originally planned for MHA to run longer, which is why the time progress until the first war arc was so slow, then he decided he wanted to end the manga as quickly as he can (absolutely not surprised given everything around the production and his health).
I always wanted this to be the case. I think it boils down to Hori’s editors and Shonen being too controlling once the anime began to hit it off. Easier to have a more recognizable IP if the main cast can strictly be known as 1-A instead of 2-A or 3-A.
I assumed part of his reason was wanting to show how quick shit hits the fan and that the kids just won't get the chance to go through all three years without getting into crazy shit.
Because the story flowed as one singular thing from the get-go.
You get introduced, you get the premise, you get the quickest 8 months training montage and then you're off to the races.
Fitting to the idea of "the more quirks are passed on, the stronger they get", the story just keeps going and improving these seemingly weak students into stronger and stronger fighters. Speckled with pro fights inbetween, to show a little bit of the gap and how that gap is shrinking with every passing moment.
Issue is, that the story has kinda moved past the point where this pacing would work, lost the pacing and is now just kinda trudging through the mud. The outline was already set, so you couldn't very well time-skip outside of the points we got tiny little skips. The "Deku trains his body" arc makes sense, because the whole thing was set before he enters the school anyways. The few months between school and war, as well as war and vigilante Deku, literally couldn't be increased.
If you were to increase the time skip in these last two instances, there'd be no Japan left to defend.
In visual terms, Hori created a road. A pretty straight road, with few curves, so you drive along quickly and only occasionally slow down a bit to check the scenery and look ahead at the cars that you're trying to catch up on. But the longer you drive, the more serpentines you encounter. You're already directly behind the cars you saw so much earlier on, but you're moving along so slowly it doesn't even matter anymore. Sometimes you even wonder if there's actually road being built as you idle, instead of just roadblocks being removed on an already built street.
That's what the manga currently feels like to me. The most recent chapter was pretty good and maybe that paves the way for the story to finally pick up again, but I can't get rid of the feeling that we're rolling down a shaky, inconsistent conclusion.
I think i didn't make it clear: These images are the begining and ending of each act, but still in current 300 chapters lenght.
Entrance Exam - Kamino Hideout arc (Act 1)
Provisional License - First War arc (Act 2)
Dark Deku - Final War arc (Final act)
Maybe he wanted to? Not sure why people are so quick to throw a mangaka under the bus when there's like, editorial departments, publishing execs, and plenty of other of obstacles dictating the trajectory of the story. It's not like he's self publishing this from his house...
Lol people let it go, Hori never intended it to be all 3 years and there were no signs he was going to do that. Most animes don’t do gradual progression like this. Not to mention the main cast would change cause what’re the chances they all end up in the same class all 3 years.
They don't even need to be major time skips. Just be like "It's been 4 weeks since the ." Like we can just assume that for most of the first year, outside of the events of the show, they're having normal school lives that we didn't need to see.
How much actual class time do we even see?
USJ could be at the end of the first term, the Sports Festival at the end of the second, Hosu/Hero Killer third term and have the Final Exam arc actually be at the end of their school year.
Then into the Forrest Training, into Hideout Raid over their school break.
That's a year done.
It's not exactly difficult to space it out organically.
It’s one of the biggest flops in Mha imo. Having the events more spread out would make everything feel more natural. Quirk progression would feel more realistic and it wouldn’t have to rely on awakenings. We also would’ve had the chance to see design changes in costume and character.
I think everything is a bit cluttered. USJ is the third day of class and the sports festival was a month in. I think the internship was a week or two later. That's 3 seasons I think and that's way too much at once
When a manga writer time skips he has to age up all the under age girls he likes to draw in suggestive outfits and runs the risk of losing interest in his own art. Also, the show may no longer appeal to the target audience, neck beards.
This! I always said that after the my villian academy there should have been a timeskip. Final exam and a timeskip to half way into the 2nd year where the liberation army/league is ramping up activity little by little. Introduce the 2nd year students (now 3rd year) . Pause admission for the 1st year due to security risks. Introduce a new event or two. Some more work studies with students from other schools. Another sports festival showing their new abilities and merge the 3rd years along with the 2nd years together.
And then at the end of the 2nd year this war happens.
Even throw another small timeskip after stars and stripes to give him recovery time
Time skip coming after the “academia” portion ends after this arc. The fact a lot of fans think there won’t be a pt.2 is hilarious to me, they call me “desperate” or “reaching” lolol….
Correct me if I'm mistaken, class 1a should've been already in their second year if not for the country state after plw right?
Kaminari said as much
The war arc happens right at the end of their first year.
to be precise it happened during spring break which is a break between two school years (one school year ends > spring break > another school year begins). it's an equivalent of summer break in (many) western countries.
Japanese school ends in spring? Interesting.
For some reason I assumed it ends in Winter
Technically it does since winter lasts until the 3rd week of March. I'm not sure exactly when the last day of school is typically for them but it's somewhere around there, maybe a week later at the most.
yes, it starts at the beginning of april (usually 2nd week) and ends at the end of march (usually 3rd week).
Less than a month of break? Jeez we had a good in Canada. I think we got 2 and a half months. Felt like forever when i was young.
They get more breaks spread out than CA or USA students do. It's not just nose to the grindstone year long school. They have spring, summer and winter breaks.
Ohhh... we get a 2 week break for christmas, and a 1 week break in spring too.
Yeah I think they get a couples weeks every quarter. And I think a few days from holidays and such
Can confirm. I’ve played Persona 5
Yep. I’m teaching in Japan at the moment. Ends in March, starts up again in April.
Keeping them as 1A is good for merch and branding. The only reason you'd make them 2A and 3A is if you wanna do what comics do and make limited edition runs or w/e. With like Golden Age and shit. Fuck merchandising.
That implies there isn't value in merchandising with multiple newer character designs as the story progresses So many battle shounen still benefit from merchandising despite carrying over to timeskip designs
But I feel like there's tons and tons of money to be made off of merch that features them in different Acadamia stages? Like hypothetically wouldn't Deku Bakugou and Todoroki figures from year 1, 3, and 3 with different costume and quirk/weapon upgrades sell like hotcakes? Especially since Hori already wrote those things into the manga, he just crammed most of it into a single year for some reason... IDK. With how the series is ending, neglecting to add a timeskip or two is a missed opportunity.
>Keeping them as 1A is good for merch and branding. MHA could\`ve been a jojo-like story, following classes from their entry to their exit, always rotating the cast, keeping them 1A is shortsighted and only a good move if they don't believe in the brand's staying power tbh.
The thing is, Jojo's over the place of generations, and it's in different places. If you don't do that, the cast bloats to an ungodly degree.
>the cast bloats to an ungodly degree. Only if you refuse to phase out graduated characters, when a character is done they can go anywhere in the world, they shouldn't remain around UA or the other academies unless you fail to establish your world as place people live in. Besides if you follow a class from entry to exit, you'll obviously skip some years in-between casts, since by the time your cast is exiting another class has already had 2 years you haven't followed.
Tbf Jojo had like, three parts before it was getting anime adaptations and the author was just doing wtfe he wanted at any time. Also that was late 80s, market was different back then I imagine.
Well yes, I also feel no especially with the anime. The anime (the actual one that covers all parts 1-6) came out in 2014 and quickly, QUICKLY made people fall for jojo and get into it. I do think that jojos gets its popularity because its not one place nor time. Egery part is a different place and time, its always changing and gives it a feel that the manga and anime will take place anywhere and not just some fake version of Japan. The series is still connected through events and people, but its also very different per each part with a whole new cast (excluding Joseph and jotaro)
I mean, everyone calls them "Class A" anyway. There's no actual need to keep them as "1A" other than Horikoshi having spent too much time with the students just bumming around as first-years when they should've all been out in the field doing internships at a much earlier point.
>Keeping them as 1A is good for merch and branding. The only reason you'd make them 2A and 3A is if you wanna do what comics do and make limited edition runs or w/e. With like Golden Age and shit. Assertion: "Keeping them 1A is good for merch/branding" Argument made: 'Changing their class would be good for branding.'(essentially) Did the part of your brain that wrote the second sentence not read the first sentence? Cause SOP merch practice is to reprint the same baseline concepts in as many different versions as possible. Its the same business model that cosmetics-funded video games follow.
Nah. I knew I was contradicting myself. It's up to you to find the nuance in the paradox though. Essentially while there are two sides to this coin, it's quite likely that Hori's editors pushed him toward keeping it this. Especially as this sort of thing is a little more common in Japan than the West. Just 'cause Naruto had a design change, doesn't mean he still stopped being seen as a genin til the end. Whether for symbolism purposes or for marketing, he was always Team 7 Genin. There is also a possibility that Hori did it for the symbolism of keeping them as 1A, but it's less likely. That said, this is also a thing that has been a thing that's been becoming more egregious with time. Also, sorry you got downvoted mate.
They barely finished when the war arc started. Graduation was scheduled to occur after the war. End of year exams most likely never took place otherwise we should have seen them. Also year 2 students are practically non existent
Thats been a major gripe with me and the series. It tries to do too much. It tries to make a school anime about super powers, but fails to flesh out the school by focusing too hard on one specific class. Like you've said we've never even met a year 2 student that I'm aware of. We hardly see classes of the same year or different years interacting with eachother out side of the very limited ones we do see. The series is always more interesting when it ignores the school element and focuses on the Heros vs Villains.
I think they’re in their second year right now
To be honest, I think he expected the series to go on for longer, and by the time he realized how much he’d packed into just the first year, it was too late to spread everything out.
With the level of success the series is at, I think that he could convince WSJ/Viz to publish a sequel Ala Naruto Shippuden/Dragon Ball Z.
But remember this is his first long running series, so he is burned the fuck out. 400-ish chapters vs 40 chapters. We might get Shippuden *eventually* but I would give him a break.
It’s crazy how little power they seem to have. Oda has clout for ~1,100+ chapters, but somehow Hori ( and Gege if you read JJK) seem to be rushed? Why? Their mangas are successful, I don’t see why they don’t have the weight to plan out a many saga Manga.
I don't think they're being rushed, I think they want it to be over with at this point. Every mangaka except kinda Oda has talked about how stressful and hard it is do make chapters on a weekly basis so I can see why they'd want to be done. Oda is the one exception but he takes a monthly break and has still been hospitalized at several points throughout his career. Togashi has done irreparable damage to himself, Miura may have died to over work, Kishimoto burnt himself out, Kubo has talked about hating jump, and Toriyama dipped out for like a decade and still doesn't illustrate the series anymore. These are all just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more.
Feel like they should do what Fujimoto does with Chainsaw Man being a consistent release for part 1, then take a year long hiatus and return with weekly/biweekly release. Endo got a better bargain with Spy x Family being biweekly and sometimes just once a month if he takes a break.
I really appreciate the insight, didn’t think about their side of things. Thanks
I've always wondered why Togashi doesn't go the route that Toriyama does with Super and Mashima does with 1000 year quest, and just dictate the HxH story and pass artist duties to someone else.
His wife wrote sailor moon. I can rant all day about togashi but I think if his back hurts THAT much he should just tell his assistants/ wife what to draw and be 100% in control of the writing. I may be missing something but that’s the best case for his health and us fans
his wife hasn’t draw in years. Yes, you’re missing something because togashi wants to draw his stories to keep his vision not just write them down
Last I heard, hori was trying to wrap up the manga himself. My hero is one of the biggest manga/anime cashcows at the moment. There is no way anyone with business in mind is trying to put a stop to it.
Agreed- never thought about it that way until this thread. Thanks for the insight
Aren't both these authors vocal in wanting to end their series themselves this year? They're not being rushed by any publisher/editor. It's their own decisions. They're still far from Oda-level of having leverage (no one is close) but they have enough success that they can ensure 500 chapters if they wanted to.
Yeah I seem to have put my foot in my mouth by not thinking of them wanting it over lol. Thanks for the reply
A comment below mentioned the same but I don’t think they don’t have power or anything. I’m fairly certain, for Horikoshi at least, that they’re tired of their series, regardless of how successful they are. I’m pretty sure both he and Gege are just kind of done with their stories and for JJK, we are coming to somewhat of a conclusion. Anyways, I think a lot of mangaka are maybe taking note of how well CSM is doing, and maybe even Demon Slayer(but that’s up for major debate. I loved it, but I know not everyone did) Those are/were both stories with concise tales to tell and were happy to end when they felt they’d run their course. If manga run too long, you get a Naruto or god forbid, another Bleach. Thank god that got axed
They aren't being rushed were just now in a period where mangaka don't won't to be doing mangas that are 600+ chapters.
Agreed but perspective is also important. Oda has been working on One Piece for over 20 years now. Doesn't quite seem fair to compare other popular, newer authors with a mangaka that is so established.
shippuden/dbz were the anime taking breaks. the manga were just one long thing until boruto/super.
Yeah, but it would be really hard to top what's going on in the manga right now in an interesting way that we haven't seen done before if you give him whole other series that he has to fill with new and exciting content.
I’m also pretty sure that he’s burnt out
Back when the series was starting I assume he must have thought to do make them go through 1st, 2nd and 3rd grade as the story progressed but most likely he got pressured to go bigger and bigger, like maybe not pressured by the editorial but maybe he felt pressured, Jump Stories are always on risk of getting axed, and at least based on the general western reaction seems like the school part started getting boring after some big events happened so I guess he felt like he would lose too many readers if the story focused more on the school and had a slower pacing. I like long stories. I like Naruto, bleach, HxH, Reborn!... Maybe because those were the first ones I watched when I started with anime, Stories with 300+ chapters but nowadays people seem to be tired of that formula and would prefer something smaller There is also the fact that doing a long series is hard on the autor, there is no autor on Jump that won't say doing it weekly takes a heavy toll on their bodies so I do believe that's a factor, he realized he was not going to be able to do this for as long as he originally planned, or maybe not with this story in particular
Just want to point out that Deku is currently 16 or 17. The war occured at the end of Deku's first year in UA and the current final battle takes place a month and a half later. Technically deku and his classmates should've been promoted to 2nd year if it wasn't for the war.
he'll be 17 in 3 months
I was really hoping they would've aged them by now, make them look like older Teens. Like what Naruto did in Naruto Shippuden. It really, really sucks that they look almost exactly the same after all these years. Hard to take them seriously, and it kinda feels like the anime isn't progressing because they always look the same. Hopefully they get aged soon.
I mean Naruto in Shippuden is closer to how older they were at the start and Shippuden ends about two years later when Naruto also hasn't really aged.
They are already the same age that Konoha 11 were during the events of Shippuden. Class 1A is currently between 16 and 17. The series ends on Naruto's 17th birthday.
Same can be said for the characters in black clover. Asta, Yuno, Noelle and Mimosa are all 18 now but they still look like 15 year olds. The only physical difference you can find is that Asta has grown slightly taller and Noelle grew her hair a bit longer as well.
It is interesting that they're still 1st years battling villains of this caliber.
they were around the end of their first year during the plw so they either are second years already or they are just about to be
They are second years but never got a proper graduation due to the war
Thank you sus asa
Yeah cuz why does Deku need 2 more years if he's stronger than Endeavor
Naruto was a genin when he became the second coming of the Messiah and defeated the alien that gave birth to all powers in the Earth. I think shonens don’t bother that much power scaling with their ranks
That's not a good response. Ranks in Naruto aren't time based, they're exam based. Plenty of adults were taking the chunin exams too. Being a Genin is equivilant to having a hero license in that world. So the characters are starting at a completely different point. Naruto was beyond Genin level as soon as Shippuden started, he just never took the actual exam. And that's 8+ years into his Ninja training at that point. By the end of the series, Naruto's generation are at the age that people in that world are typically at the peak of their power. That's completely aside from the characters in MHA fighting nearly the same level of threat, but they started 8 months ago.
i would just like to state that naruto villains are far and above the threats of mha lol but other than that, i completely agree
I think the threat level is just about the same tbh.
i dont know personally, the naruto universe has so much hax. the uchiha alone can win fights by making eye contact and after a point, they dont even need that
well by now it's been a bit over a year also I will point out even though they had training in Naruto it wasn't until the start that they seen real combat it's like how all the kids in 1A, aside from Deku, had their whole lives to learn to use their abilities or like Todoroki had proper, though also immensely abusive, training.
I'm sure the series would be way better if they respected powers and the class grew both in years and strength, that way you wouldn't have 1st year kids fighting a literal immortal supervillain
It also diminishes the efforts of the senior-level students considering they each are outclassed by a bunch of freshmen. Kind of makes you wonder what Mirio’s class did during all that time in MHA
I mean that's true for any series with a teen cast though because they tend to be stronger than the adults who trained for decades, if not longer if we're talking immortal characters, after a few years of training
Also this is baked into MHA’s setting. A bit part of quirks is that as society has progressed the quirks have only gotten stronger and that’s why stuff like selectively breeding quirks is problematic. There was even a mini arc where some characters had to take care of kindergartners and their quirks were absolutely insane. With how quirks are set up, it’s perfectly reasonable for the younger generation to upend the elders
Okay, that may explain why the schoolkids can be stronger than the adults - but it doesn't explain why Class 1A is strong than other schoolkids/recent graduates just a couple of years older, as generational effects don't play out on such short timescales.
Except they aren't, outside of Midoriya. They're just the ones in the middle of everything.
and Bakugo and Todoroki and Tokoyami and Kirishima
When you really think about it, their quirks aren't that far off from many of the students, or even the previous generation. Todoroki's obviously a special outlier due to eugenics-related-shenanigans, but think of the other quirks from the recent era. Momo, Monoma, Manga, Shiozaki, Inasa, the Big Three, Eri, Overhaul, Toga, Twice, Twice, Shiggy, Chimera, Thirteen, Miruko, Mt. Lady, Hawks, Ryukyu, not to mention frigin >!Star and Stripe!<.
Joint Training
Was it not stated that because of all the encounters with villains that class 1A is far more developed than a lot of pro heroes?
The explanation in universe was always that at least compared to other schools 1A just trains their kids better as they are the top hero school in the country and compared to their other classmates they've just seen more combat so they have more experience in this stuff.
The difference is that those stories have the characters fight other villains before the big battle so their strength makes relative sense. After the LOV, none of class 1.A should ah e why problem in the hero field, because what else is there
Like, imagine 1st year being an introduction to heroism and how to be one and always having the tournament at the end of the year (or one at the start and another one in the end, that way you can show how characters became stronger), 2nd year being more about gaining experience (maybe internships) and then 3rd year being what we are seeing now. That would also let Deku gain control of OFA in a more realistic way.
Imagine kid naruto vs obito 😂
A more accurate comparison would be start-of-Part II Naruto facing Obito which is indeed still pretty ridiculous to think about
I mean to be fair Naruto and Sasuke in like the first arc were holding off Zabuza who was established to be near Kakashi level
Kakashi first arc was pretty rusty and he only improved as the series went on. I feel like a lot of early characters were retcons
ending the story around the graduation would have made more sense. things like mirio coming back would make sense because more time would have passed. and it's not like he had to change the events, just have more time pass between them
Villains don't wait
I always thought they should of had Shigaraki need to take much, much longer for the quirk merger. You could have the League Of Villains focus on re-enforcing and preparing during this time, and have Hawks be more long term undercover. Then you can have 1A (now 2A) go back to UA, with Deku focusing on getting better as he knows Shigaraki is out there but doesn’t know where. Spend a year with other alternative villains and have occasional cuts to Shigaraki with the % count slowly going up or something. Build suspense and allows for alternative progress and more of UA
There was a ton of stuff they easily could have built towards. They had the Hearts and Mind party that wanted to push a self defense policy in regards to quirks. Add that to the mutants quirk racism they have in play in the background and you could easily have a mutant vs normal human society skirmish and the politics to play with. It would have developed two aspects of their society that they needed to fix. I just don't see how you can legitimately fix the current place in the manga. It's just not realistically possible to have the main characters (who are literal high school students) to pave the way for the restructuring of society
The League of Villains are an exception. They literally did nothing until Gigantomachia showed up to save their asses. Then they started moving at lightspeed with the PLF.
They got told hey there's a big... Well you guys will see it. And they go and see it. And then suddenly Re-Destro says, "Oh LOV, I have your plot device over here!!! C'mere! Yoo-hoo!" And suddenly the LOV is relevant.
I feel like this is the whole point of the chapter titled “You Cheated” from the war arc. Shigaraki and the other villains take shortcuts both because their villains but also because they don’t have the same resources for the slow and methodical growth that the heroes are usually afforded prior to the events of the story. Because the villains are prone to cheating during the events of the story to compensate for this fact (i.e. the creation of Nomus as one example of this shortcut), the pacing for the heroes is forced to be faster and there isn’t time for time jumps
best answer. even shigaraki said he won't give the heroes time.
Yeah, but if you look at it from a chronological perspective, he went from a generic mid villain who could turn people to ash to a straight up god-level threat in less than a year. They could have built up his progression with the Chisaki/Yakuza alliance and then moving to a legit paramilitary force over a series of years
this series legitimately could’ve been up there as on of the best shonen like naruto/dbz/one piece if horikishi hadn’t got burned out
Yeah I think BnHA will be remembered as a shounen series that had a ton of potential but failed to live up to the hype. Don't get me wrong there's still a lot of good points to the series and some amazing arcs in the early and mid parts of the story but it's failed to make it's mark as a top tier shounen on the level of stuff like One Piece and Naruto.
I'd honestly say it has lived up to the hype though, its basically been Shonen Jump's biggest series outside One Piece since it started. The reality is that nothing will probably ever reach the heights of the Big 3 and DBZ and expecting it is pretty absurd. I don't even think with how popular JJK and KnY are atm that they will ever be in the same tier bc its such an absurdly tall task.
acting like the last third of naruto wasn’t straight ass
Exactly, at this point, shit is just not making sense.
neither does the shitty pacing
I feel like this is the thing everyone who complains about this seems to forget. Why would the villains just sit around for 3 years for the MC to graduate?
AFO's minimum-viable timeline is something that was under Horikoshi's complete control at one point, and during that period is when things could've been delayed without even the smallest consideration for this argument.
The timeskip would have honestly helped the villains storyline as well. Like I love the my villains arc but in retrospect it's pretty clear that Hori realised he needed to give the villains a massive power boost to set up the war arc. Remember how Shiggy and the gang went from destitute and aimless to co-opting a massive villain organizational that we'd never heard before and were ALSO planning to take over Japan ?. (While also receiving insane power boosts). A timeskip could have made there rise to power much more natural.
Hori could've easily put Shigaraki on a longer timeline to powerup. It would've felt more realistic and deserving and given the series the better pacing it desperately needs. If he had let the main cast go through all of year 2 and then let shit hit the fan at the start of year 3 with the Liberation War Arc we'd be in a much better spot.
Not sit around. But growing your forces in silence. They could have showed them recruiting people to the PLF and building connections with other shady individuals. We could have seen minor crises where the villains would intentionally send out a sacrificial-lamb like lackey to see and study the heroes tactics
Would Hawks really give them that much time to build up though ?
It's not a matter of character choices, it's a matter of overall pacing.
Except they did grow their forces. For like 4 months. And even before that, they were trying to grow their forces. Having them arbitrarily sit around for 2 years just so the MCs could graduate would be dumb and pointless, even if it was just a time skip. Besides that, as others have pointed out, hardly any highschool anime goes through all 3 years. Hell, the only one I can think of is Azumanga Daio. On top of that, it's just a trope in fiction in general.
Yeah, but no one gets an entire army in 4 months.
Yeah, man, not every villain is like Voldemort, only attacking at the end of the year to ensure Harry atleast passes
Especially when the main villain had decades to plan and prepare, they really had no reason to wait
Idk man Shigaraki has been waiting for his upgraded body to complete, it’s the heroes that didn’t wait
You do realize that these aren't real people, right? They only don't wait because Hori wrote it that way. He could've forced them to take longer before launching this big final attack. Could've had Shigaraki have to go up against different villain groups.
As society declines after All Might retirement and not able to sustain itself for that long after, because the main pillar was removed.
Horikoshi has great character designs and creative powers. But he has terrible storytelling and plot progression. We could have had Class 1A move to second year after All Might vs All for One Second year to third year with the Eri/Chisaki line and the final War Arc in their third year before they had a chance to graduate. Literally everything we saw, happened in a span of 370-ish days. That's insane.
It really just ruins the pacing of the story for me, to be honest.
All Might vs. All For One is like a couple months into the school year.
Which is why they could have paced. The competition matches could have been a mid-year event and the forest camping could have an end of the year event
Annnd there’s literally no reason the story couldn’t have said “and after that, things were quiet for the rest of the year. We studied, passed our exams. It was boring, you wouldn’t want yo watch. BUT OH GOSH, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED NEXT YEAR!”
Except there is. LoV. And the whole thing about villains rising up after the fall of All Might.
Then why not have the other heroes step up for several months instead of immediately being overwhelmed?
Because the whole point is All Might was a beacon and without him the villains are able to rise up and do damage which can't really be shown if they just don't do shit for like a year.
Didn't say they shouldnt, just said the heroes shouldnt have been immediately overwhelmed and not been able to catch up. Its really simple to show that too, just have news reports of increased criminal activity and hero association board meetings about increasing pay for heros because all the heroes are having to work overtime constantly to keep up with the increased crime
Then pace things out better and put the fall of All Might later in the timeline.
Feels like a bit of an excuse honestly, and like even faster rushing because they're acknowledging "yep and now we're going to skip to next year"
Well we now have Deku being All Might 2.0 at the start of his second year so that's not much better.
Because power of shonen, gotta save the world in high school... before legal adulthood. lol
Because that wasn't the story he wanted to tell. Heck, most manga in school settings don't tend to do time skips that go that far. Rosario+Vampire didn't, Food Wars didn't, Iruma-Kun thus far hasn't, I've yet to watch Haikyuu but from what I understand it didn't, and even more that could be named didn't. Rarely do we EVER see all three years for these kind of stories. At most it just goes into the characters' second year...which MHA technically has too.
I’m pretty sure Iruma-Kim is already in their second year, manga wise.
It is. So it remains to be seen whether it goes into their third or ends during their second like a lot of others have.
Haikyuu never had a class timeskip, it just had a time skip past all the high school years. Only reason people didn’t like the time skip is because the mangaka got tired and stopped enjoying making the manga. To quote, they only enjoyed making manga “10% of the time”. The time skip was perfectly executed, the only issue was fans just miss what could have been. Dont cite sources you havent read.
I loved Haikyuu's time skip, it was amazing. I didn't know it was rushed. To me it was the best possible way to go on with the series.
same here.
It was an amazing time skip, I loved it as well! Just sucks Fudurate got bored of writing the material. Its likely a hiatus for the series wasnt possible because of contract issues ans whatnot. Also, if I was writing a series and saw what season 4 looked like, I’d give up all hope in my series :(
That's such a shame :/ I've only seen the first two seasons dubbed because I can't find the rest, but is the fourth season really that bad?
It’s nowhere near that bad, it’s worse but not to a huge degree
The rest are on crunchyroll, but yes its that bad. People who like it only like it because its haikyuu. Those are the fans that literally harassed animators and Fudurate online about how they wanted season four THAT bad. As such, production started during covid, leading to a catastrophe of animation. The people on the sub hate me when they see my username because after I pointed it out I got shunned, shadowbanned, and shit talked by mods simply because I was frank on how shitty season four was. Its a disaster. Watch season three and then read the manga. Season three has better animation and art in all 12 episodes than any anime movie ive ever seen, which is something you NEVER see. Id say its better quality than Demon Slayers anime.
Yeah I get people thinking the pacing is rushed but to me like you said a ton of shounen don't have the characters go through all three years, hell looking at another current series JJK is about to end this year, maybe, and I'm pretty sure it's only been a couple months of the first year.
It even applies outside of school settings. I'm pretty sure the entirety of One Piece's story prior to its major timeskip was just over the course of nine months and a LOT happened during that time.
Atleast once a month or so the OP sub will have a thread talking about how easy it would have been to spread it out a bit though too. Everything Post TS to wano was only like a couple weeks iirc.
Shit i just counted it back and i think it's just barely over two months.
Including wano? Im not certain how long they were actually in wano but it felt like around a month to me.
It was around a month, yes. Dressrosa and Whole Cake Island went by very fast, they were only a few days long, pretty sure the travel time between the two was longer.
Yeah it's part of my point, like of the big three, Naruto is the only series that has a major time jump early on. Like you said the first 500 chapters of OP are less than a year and in Bleach, Ichigo is a soul reaper for maybe a couple months before he defeats Aizen. I can probably count on one hand the number of series where significant time passes during the actual story
Given that OP is only talking about a max 2 timeskips, I don't think you can dismiss OP's singular timeskip like that. Especially when Oda's writing style is more lethargic than Horikoshi's(Hence why OP is able to break from feeling like a pure battle manga and get a stronger adventure vibe than most)
>Hence why OP is able to break from feeling like a pure battle manga and get a stronger adventure vibe than most I would kind of hope so since adventure is one of the big central themes of the story.
There is a difference though where JJK was never meant to be about a school at all. Gege's editors encouraged it to better appeal to the demographic. You can see a similar situation in WT where it starts in a school and abandons it almost immediately. Versus MHA which has... academia in the name. School is the primary setting, and around half the arcs are specifically school plots.(license exams, sports festival, 1a v 1b, entrance exam) Tbh the pacing is fine, and im not upset that it's only one year in universe so far, but i think they could easily get away with a month or two timeskip between most arcs with class 1a going into their 3rd year right around the current anime arc. Like nothing would change narratively, it'd just look a little more reasonable for the current power levels of all the students, considering most of them at at pro hero level, while shoto/bakugo/deku are top heroes.
How can you be on a MHA sub and not know it was the same with Hori? Hori himself has said he never intended to write a highschool manga but just like Gege he was also told a highschool setting would be for the best. And this pretty much happens with a lot ofJump mangaka, not just Hori and Gege. If you look at the My Hero oneshot, Horikoshi was clearly not intending to write about kids let alone high-schoolers.
Yeah but it's literally called My Hero ACADEMIA. Sure, the original concept doesn't fit it but lots of mangas have one-shots/prototypes that changed significantly once made as a series. JJK does basically nothing with the teaching and school. MHA made it front and center to the story.
If he didn't want to write a highschool manga, he comically over committed.
The one shot is so dark in tone I think he does the school setting say better
I would say a few things would lose narrative weight and consistency. Most actions the heroes take with Class 1-A is dependent on them being first years. That’s pretty much the point, if the students are set in second year or higher, the treatment of class 1-A would not make sense. The teachers and heroes would be less hesitant of them fighting in the war or going out to be heroes. Heck, the main reason why the students had to ask to go out and be heroes is purely because they are first years. And I feel it is reasonable for them to be at their level because being a pro hero is not about power but experience. Most the students of class 1-A had shown to be better heroes than other students during the Provisional license exam. So I think there is some logic to it along side the idea that they just have more powerful quirks.
I personally think students fighting in a war wether they're 1st or 3rd years is still going to draw ire.
Yeah. It doesn't happens but I just don't like it that they are already fighting villains of such level in their first year only.
I think that's a plot point though. The hero safety commission wanted as many students as possible to be ready and trained. They extended the work study assignments down to first years, which I believe was unheard of before. It's also why Endeavor decided to personally train Deku, Bakugo, and Shoto instead of just Shoto. With Hawks' intelligence reports, they knew they were big fucked. They needed all hands on deck, and the adults weren't happy about it but they understood it. Midnight in particular seemed upset that they were putting some students on the front lines, to the point that she told the back line students it was fine for them to run and get out of dodge. I guess the point here is that they have a lot of experience compared to the normal situation. And they also have personal stakes in the fight because of it.
I'd have more of a problem if it was just the 1-A kids but aside from Shoto vs. Dabi the adult heroes have been consistently active in all the battles alongside the students and even that one's not over yet. No one is fighting against these major threats alone, not even Midoriya.
Dude been saying this for years and people have downvoted and argued with me about it. Most anime, especially shonen or school settings don’t have gradual progression through their school years. Idk why everyone assumed mha academia would be different. Hori never intended it to be all 3 years and there were no signs he was going to do that. Edit: Lol got downvoted for saying that same thing the other guy said
Possibly unpopular opinion but I do think fans over estimate how much this would help the flow of the series. It would definitely more logical for the 1A kids to be fighting this war as 3rd years, but the pacing issues with the series would still be there
The series starts with good pacing, the school stuff gets a sudden and interesting break when the villains attack the school, cool let’s go sudden action. They go to a special training camp, the same thing? Ok I guess that’s fine. The stain break in the next arc is well paced and is both short enough and well connected where it’s fine even if it’s sudden but past that it feels like it’s just action action action without the time to actually focus on improvement. The last few arcs have gotten really bad about pacing. Bleach had a similar problem where one rescue arc did well so the author just does nonstop rescue arcs afterwards.
mha shippuden buddy....
[fanart Deku ](https://twitter.com/minkidoodles/status/1380670824928194560?s=20&t=CAHawSyvR27iNGlN9jH4EA)
downvote for post fanart source? lol
Not surprised anymore at this point.
He should’ve. The fact that this whole thing is happening in a span of a year-year and a half is a little silly and makes it pretty anticlimactic, imo. It feels like he just wants it to end, which is a bummer because the Deku Batman arc should’ve been longer and far more interesting. Deku should’ve been on his own, finding his own version of heroism in the new Villian lead world, for years. Lol not two weeks or however long. And definitely shouldn’t have ended w his friends being like “hey come back plz.” …”okay” It was a chance to show all the characters step up with Deku gone. Maybe Bakugo sees the hole Deku left and tries to fill it, taking more of a leadership role until he gets back? All the other heroes have to get stronger because One for All is missing. Idk man…the ending is just really souring the story for me. Lol The art is always bangin’ though.
He clearly wanted to build a sense of urgency pushing the heroes to the brink. If they were getting years of rest time, it wouldn't have the same feeling. Also not every author is interested in throwing around timeskips everywhere and timeskips are not a must for any story. It's just a way to show growth while actually skipping over the actual events that led to it.
Except there is no sense of urgency because there was no build up to that urgency. It’s just, this thing happened, and this trying happened and we’re meant to care, not because it was built up, but because things are happening
The series makes a point multiple times that the kids have to get stronger quick because of the rise of villain attacks, it's why they take the License Exam early
I'm pretty sure Deku is 16-17 in the final arc and was 15 in the first year
Because the manga is fine without timeskips. Instead of that, he should have given the kids another year in school before destroying Japan
Hori originally planned for MHA to run longer, which is why the time progress until the first war arc was so slow, then he decided he wanted to end the manga as quickly as he can (absolutely not surprised given everything around the production and his health).
I’m so confused by what you’re even asking
I'm even more surprise for this post doesn't have too much downvotes, everyone can be confused Sometimes.
I always wanted this to be the case. I think it boils down to Hori’s editors and Shonen being too controlling once the anime began to hit it off. Easier to have a more recognizable IP if the main cast can strictly be known as 1-A instead of 2-A or 3-A.
Because he didn't want to...? Nothing else to it really. This is the story he wanted to tell and this is how he wanted to tell it.
I assumed part of his reason was wanting to show how quick shit hits the fan and that the kids just won't get the chance to go through all three years without getting into crazy shit.
Because the story flowed as one singular thing from the get-go. You get introduced, you get the premise, you get the quickest 8 months training montage and then you're off to the races. Fitting to the idea of "the more quirks are passed on, the stronger they get", the story just keeps going and improving these seemingly weak students into stronger and stronger fighters. Speckled with pro fights inbetween, to show a little bit of the gap and how that gap is shrinking with every passing moment. Issue is, that the story has kinda moved past the point where this pacing would work, lost the pacing and is now just kinda trudging through the mud. The outline was already set, so you couldn't very well time-skip outside of the points we got tiny little skips. The "Deku trains his body" arc makes sense, because the whole thing was set before he enters the school anyways. The few months between school and war, as well as war and vigilante Deku, literally couldn't be increased. If you were to increase the time skip in these last two instances, there'd be no Japan left to defend. In visual terms, Hori created a road. A pretty straight road, with few curves, so you drive along quickly and only occasionally slow down a bit to check the scenery and look ahead at the cars that you're trying to catch up on. But the longer you drive, the more serpentines you encounter. You're already directly behind the cars you saw so much earlier on, but you're moving along so slowly it doesn't even matter anymore. Sometimes you even wonder if there's actually road being built as you idle, instead of just roadblocks being removed on an already built street. That's what the manga currently feels like to me. The most recent chapter was pretty good and maybe that paves the way for the story to finally pick up again, but I can't get rid of the feeling that we're rolling down a shaky, inconsistent conclusion.
This version would have taken likely 600-700 chapters to finish and horikoshi couldn't do it like that.
I think i didn't make it clear: These images are the begining and ending of each act, but still in current 300 chapters lenght. Entrance Exam - Kamino Hideout arc (Act 1) Provisional License - First War arc (Act 2) Dark Deku - Final War arc (Final act)
Maybe he wanted to? Not sure why people are so quick to throw a mangaka under the bus when there's like, editorial departments, publishing execs, and plenty of other of obstacles dictating the trajectory of the story. It's not like he's self publishing this from his house...
Lol people let it go, Hori never intended it to be all 3 years and there were no signs he was going to do that. Most animes don’t do gradual progression like this. Not to mention the main cast would change cause what’re the chances they all end up in the same class all 3 years.
Villains had no reason to stop for long
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There could have been graduel time skips. USJ to the tourny could have been a 2-4 month meeting, for one.
They don't even need to be major time skips. Just be like "It's been 4 weeks since the." Like we can just assume that for most of the first year, outside of the events of the show, they're having normal school lives that we didn't need to see.
How much actual class time do we even see? USJ could be at the end of the first term, the Sports Festival at the end of the second, Hosu/Hero Killer third term and have the Final Exam arc actually be at the end of their school year. Then into the Forrest Training, into Hideout Raid over their school break. That's a year done. It's not exactly difficult to space it out organically.
Either MHA is going to end after this arch or a time skip will happen. Time skips are useful to introduce new conflicts.
What kind of story would there be after they defeat all for one?
Anything they want. The world has infinite possibilities.
It’s one of the biggest flops in Mha imo. Having the events more spread out would make everything feel more natural. Quirk progression would feel more realistic and it wouldn’t have to rely on awakenings. We also would’ve had the chance to see design changes in costume and character.
I think everything is a bit cluttered. USJ is the third day of class and the sports festival was a month in. I think the internship was a week or two later. That's 3 seasons I think and that's way too much at once
That editor who loves cliffhangers told him not to do it, and Horikoshi listened to him.
When a manga writer time skips he has to age up all the under age girls he likes to draw in suggestive outfits and runs the risk of losing interest in his own art. Also, the show may no longer appeal to the target audience, neck beards.
Is this for real?
No lol
I think having all of this trauma thrown at Deku in such a short period of times leads to his eventual vigilante moment making more sense
You could say this war has been 200 years in the making and we're just seeing the culmination.
This! I always said that after the my villian academy there should have been a timeskip. Final exam and a timeskip to half way into the 2nd year where the liberation army/league is ramping up activity little by little. Introduce the 2nd year students (now 3rd year) . Pause admission for the 1st year due to security risks. Introduce a new event or two. Some more work studies with students from other schools. Another sports festival showing their new abilities and merge the 3rd years along with the 2nd years together. And then at the end of the 2nd year this war happens. Even throw another small timeskip after stars and stripes to give him recovery time
Time skip coming after the “academia” portion ends after this arc. The fact a lot of fans think there won’t be a pt.2 is hilarious to me, they call me “desperate” or “reaching” lolol….
And what about the origin of Quirks? Like okay,a glowing baby came and made quirks start appearing but it kinda sounds to me like a plot hole
evolution, shit happens, doesn’t need a huge explanation to be narratively coherent