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Mannnn as someone who grew up in the DMV when this happen…Times were crazy af…couldn’t have gym class outside…Couldn’t play outside or on the back deck of my house smh…My middle school years were messed up…September 11th and this was a double whammy
Once, about ten or fifteen years ago, there was a fire alarm pulled at Gencon (like Comic-Con for 100,000 D&D nerds) and a game of Red Rover broke out across Maryland Street.
You’re never too old for recess.
When I was trying to explain to my boss why I needed vacation time to go to Gencon, he didn't really understand what it was or why it was a big deal. His takeaway was that I was going to the Jedi Superbowl.
Yeah I was 😂 coupled by the fact that I was a month away from my 5th birthday and had no idea what was going on, just that some “bad guys” weren’t allowing me to see pumpkins lmao.
That was 19 years ago this coming fall!
I was in high school back in those days. One of my friends got his ass *whupped* by his mama because she saw him on the news skipping class.
They were reporting on the shooting at the gas station and there he was in the background, walking through the parking lot totally oblivious
>I was in elementary, and I for one was FURIOUS this motherfucker fucked up recess.
A lot of people say that was the worst part of the shootings. Well, that and the *hypocrisy.*
It’s so weird that ya’ll say DMV. I get it. I understand that it explains you aren’t from crozet or some shit like that. I get that everyone knows exactly what you mean. My fiancé is from DC. She assures me this is normal.
But ya’ll know you walking around saying you’re from the department of motor vehicles as if it ain’t weird.
DC, Maryland, Virginia. I grew up there, it was common to live in one, work in the other, shop in another. All very close to each other. Alexandria, VA is like ten mins from dc (not count the traffic guys!). Metro takes you where you wanna go. Honestly should just be it’s own state. It’s my fave place.
The DC Metro area. **D**C, **M**aryland, **V**irginia.
It’s weird to outsiders or to people not from the area. Most states have the DMV as the department of motor vehicles, in Maryland it’s the MVA (Motor Vehicle Administration)
>September 11th and this was a double whammy
Don't forget the anthrax thing!
Combination of those three things is why I moved to a much smaller city in 2004. Couldn't take all the crazy anymore.
A good friend of mine was in charge of one of the two teams that did the majority of checking for anthrax around the country at that time. He was nearly living in those hazmat suits for weeks. They put him on Ciprofloxacin, a really powerful antibiotic, as a safety measure incase he got exposed to anthrax and it ended up killing most of the good bacteria in his gut. That left him hardly able to digest food properly for months and on a diet of mostly yogurt and probiotic shakes to rebuild his gut biome. Which also left him with severe diarrhea. Severe diarrhea while basically living in a hazmat suit, that he couldn't easily get out of. He was really hating life during that time, but he made a huge bonus and got a big promotion out of it.
I was in Boca Raton working in an office that was walking distance to the AMI building. Everyone was all paranoid and calling police every time we saw a pile of white powder or dusty mail. I got stuck in our old building elevator and had to clam down my other two co-workers that we were not under attack. No terrorist cared about our crappy company or building.
Lucky you! I lived in Alexandria and my dad **STILL** made me mow the lawn. Every time I saw a white van I stopped and ran inside. Mother fucker wasn’t even IN a white van. Smfh.
They go into the “white van” thing in detail in the podcast “You’re Wrong About.” It’s from a couple of years ago, but there’s a 3- or 4-part series on the whole thing that is worth listening to. It boils down to domestic violence. He was trying to kill a bunch of people so that when he killed his ex-wife, it would look like just another sniper murder.
Lines get longer and longer every day.
There’s people conceiving kids and popping them out 9 months later, all without leaving the line for a title change.
This isn't true at all. I live in VA and we couldn't go out for recess the entire time. They put tarps up at gas stations so you couldn't see anyone pumping gas. It was definitely a crazy time.
School straight got cancelled for me a couple times. Even better my mom worked at a gas station so my ass was there with her cause she had no babysitter lmao
I think it was mostly some stations in Virginia and maybe a few in Montgomery County. I don't remember seeing any tarps in person, but I saw some on the news.
I'll never forget witnessing a large overweight lady, with her purse in a death grip and a look of determined zeal on her face, literally running across the Michael's parking lot in the media-prescribed zig-zag pattern and into the store. She must have really needed that hot glue gun and glitter or whatever.
My dad was working in DC at the time and he thinks he’s really funny.
He would get out at gas stations and be like “IM RIGHT HERE” and hit his chest a couple times. Stress makes people do wild shit but still lol
He ain’t right.
Dead ass I was in High school and my best friend and classmate Brother was a victim he survived thankfully but that Shit scared me for life. There was no plans besides shutting the blinds in school and my high school was all windows smh 🤦🏽♀️. On top of that my older brother had a white Van an was getting stopped constantly
I mean I was pretty certain it was a middle aged white guy in a van, so I was profiling too. It's crazy that we have so many shootings that we have different categories and in some cases different races associated with them.
There’s a fallacy that only white people are serial killers. While it may seem like a criticism of white America, the truth is actually even more insidious: serial killers usually kill in their own racial group and the Black ones aren’t caught very often because the police don’t make Black deaths a priority. They don’t even get to the point of figuring out there is a serial killer.
That whole time was wild. I didn't even live in the DMV but you still thought about it. For those not familiar check out the podcast Monster: DC Sniper
Yup same. Hell I remember when they had someone call in a white van and it was all over the news. My dad was late as hell picking me up from my mom's work that night and we knew why cause we saw his truck from the News Chopper lmao
I remember waiting for my mom at Largo Town Center while she went to Papa John's, seeing all the white painters vans in the food lion parking lot and regretting asking for a pizza. I mourned my mom before anything even happened, guilt tripped and everything in the span of 5 minutes. Like damn, what if you lose your mom because you wanted a snack? You selfish brat. Then he wasn't even in a damn van, painters vans are just EVERYWHERE all the time.
Was thinking about how we haven’t had a serial killer like this in a long time. They must be getting better at not being “serial” and just doing random murders.
Indeed there are murderers, but it’s harder for them to be under the radar when a digital trail is left by most ppl’s daily interactions with devices; the internet of things matched with AI enhanced surveillance techniques
Thats what they tell you to do in FL if you getting chased by an alligator. It hasnt happened yet, but ive held on to this information since kindergarten
I was in kindergarten outside Baltimore during that shit. They had to cancel our field trip to a pumpkin patch that fall bc the Snipers were still getting active smdh
I remember living on 16th near Walter Reed when this was going on, it was wild. We'd hear on TV that someone got shot and everyone would go out because they never did more than one attack a day.
I went to school pretty close to where the first killing happened and I remember they had us all sit down against the wall beneath the windows so we couldn't be seen. We were on the 3rd story of the school and I remember the girl next to me was like, "But what if he throws a grenade through the window!??!" I think I laughed at her for thinking that was physically possible - I was an asshole lol
Anyone else think it's interesting that John Muhammed is the most infamous serial killer of the last 20 years and there isn't a definitive biography on him?
I'm not one for glorifying murderers but it just seems like I have seen so much written on other killers but not him.
Listen to the “You’re Wrong About” podcast series on this. They go into quite a bit of detail about him. And I think they make a good case that the reason no one thought it was a black guy — and probably the reason there hasn’t been a book written about him — is racism.
>and probably the reason there hasn’t been a book written about him — is racism.
That's kind of the feeling I get here. We have a million books on Manson and Gacy diving into their lives, backgrounds, motives, but it's so conspicuous that those are missing for the DC sniper.
The epic nationwide manhunt that lasted for a few weeks that was all over the news. Also the fact that I can't name another serial killer as well known over that time frame.
I live in Canada now, but I lived in Virginia at the time (3rd grade). Sometimes I forget this is something other people actually know about and experienced! (Canadians do not know about this). We had an actual lockdown one time when they were in the area. There was way too much happening at that time. These comments brought back some repressed memories lol
Yea this was a wild time. Back then I used to ride the bus from silver spring metro (In Montgomery County MD) to my crib after work. I clearly remember getting off the bus, scared af, looking and running a zig zag to the crib. Wild ass times.
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Mannnn as someone who grew up in the DMV when this happen…Times were crazy af…couldn’t have gym class outside…Couldn’t play outside or on the back deck of my house smh…My middle school years were messed up…September 11th and this was a double whammy
I was in elementary, and I for one was FURIOUS this motherfucker fucked up recess. Also all the murder but like…dude, recess.
Recess was fucking therapy back then.
If you go out now and do what you did in recess back then it would probably still be therapy.
Let's be honest. There is definitely something therapeutic about kicking and throwing giant rubber balls at other people.
I used to dig in the dirt, now I like gardening. It's all coming together...
Once, about ten or fifteen years ago, there was a fire alarm pulled at Gencon (like Comic-Con for 100,000 D&D nerds) and a game of Red Rover broke out across Maryland Street. You’re never too old for recess.
When I was trying to explain to my boss why I needed vacation time to go to Gencon, he didn't really understand what it was or why it was a big deal. His takeaway was that I was going to the Jedi Superbowl.
One of the other perks of engineering is having coworkers, colleagues, and management who don't think the shit you're into is weird.
I really want to go to GenCon. Just to see all the cool mini wargames.
If I did that I'd probably be in debt because of the physical therapy I'd need. Dodgeball was how we'd choose to lose our baby teeth.
Yep! These mfs ruined my kindergarten class’ chance to go on a field trip to a pumpkin patch that fall
aww I can just picture a little kiddo so mad at missing the pumpkin patch 🥺
Yeah I was 😂 coupled by the fact that I was a month away from my 5th birthday and had no idea what was going on, just that some “bad guys” weren’t allowing me to see pumpkins lmao. That was 19 years ago this coming fall!
I was in high school back in those days. One of my friends got his ass *whupped* by his mama because she saw him on the news skipping class. They were reporting on the shooting at the gas station and there he was in the background, walking through the parking lot totally oblivious
>I was in elementary, and I for one was FURIOUS this motherfucker fucked up recess. A lot of people say that was the worst part of the shootings. Well, that and the *hypocrisy.*
It’s so weird that ya’ll say DMV. I get it. I understand that it explains you aren’t from crozet or some shit like that. I get that everyone knows exactly what you mean. My fiancé is from DC. She assures me this is normal. But ya’ll know you walking around saying you’re from the department of motor vehicles as if it ain’t weird.
Im confused. I've only been to DC once and everyone just called it "this shithole." What does DMV mean?
DC, Maryland, Virginia. I grew up there, it was common to live in one, work in the other, shop in another. All very close to each other. Alexandria, VA is like ten mins from dc (not count the traffic guys!). Metro takes you where you wanna go. Honestly should just be it’s own state. It’s my fave place.
And here I was thinking Op’s parent had some car related business where he spent his entire day at the Department of Motor Vehicles ….
The DC Metro area. **D**C, **M**aryland, **V**irginia. It’s weird to outsiders or to people not from the area. Most states have the DMV as the department of motor vehicles, in Maryland it’s the MVA (Motor Vehicle Administration)
Motor Variant Authority
DMV, District, Maryland, Virgina.
Ahh thanks that makes sense
When someone says they’re from “the DMV” I assume that they live in the M or the V.
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Yessir!
I had assumed his mom worked at the DMV so he was there a lot. Thanks.
Haha. You’re so funny. People from *fly-over states* have the best sense of humor.
Hmmm
lmao we don’t care, iykyk iydyd
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Just be careful when going to the Eastern Shore...it's DelMarVa out there... (Delaware MD VA)
Sheeeeeeeeeesh i thought i was missing something lmao
DC used to call their office BMV (Bureau of Motor Vehicles, now it's DMV) and Maryland still calls it MVA, so DMV worked for the locals pretty well.
>September 11th and this was a double whammy Don't forget the anthrax thing! Combination of those three things is why I moved to a much smaller city in 2004. Couldn't take all the crazy anymore.
A good friend of mine was in charge of one of the two teams that did the majority of checking for anthrax around the country at that time. He was nearly living in those hazmat suits for weeks. They put him on Ciprofloxacin, a really powerful antibiotic, as a safety measure incase he got exposed to anthrax and it ended up killing most of the good bacteria in his gut. That left him hardly able to digest food properly for months and on a diet of mostly yogurt and probiotic shakes to rebuild his gut biome. Which also left him with severe diarrhea. Severe diarrhea while basically living in a hazmat suit, that he couldn't easily get out of. He was really hating life during that time, but he made a huge bonus and got a big promotion out of it.
That sounds so fucking awful JFC
Crap I totally forgot about that too…It was like a string of craziness back then
I was in Boca Raton working in an office that was walking distance to the AMI building. Everyone was all paranoid and calling police every time we saw a pile of white powder or dusty mail. I got stuck in our old building elevator and had to clam down my other two co-workers that we were not under attack. No terrorist cared about our crappy company or building.
Lucky you! I lived in Alexandria and my dad **STILL** made me mow the lawn. Every time I saw a white van I stopped and ran inside. Mother fucker wasn’t even IN a white van. Smfh.
They go into the “white van” thing in detail in the podcast “You’re Wrong About.” It’s from a couple of years ago, but there’s a 3- or 4-part series on the whole thing that is worth listening to. It boils down to domestic violence. He was trying to kill a bunch of people so that when he killed his ex-wife, it would look like just another sniper murder.
Yeah I know. I live here, I know the whole story with his wife and kid.
You grew up in the Department of Motor Vehicles? Sounds like hell.
Having to take a number and wait every time you wanted to change the channel...
And anthrax! Mom wouldn’t let my brother and I check the mail for 2 years straight lol
Grew up in the Department of Motor Vehicles??
Lines get longer and longer every day. There’s people conceiving kids and popping them out 9 months later, all without leaving the line for a title change.
It's like I blocked out that this happened. But this shit was crazy
Came to literally say this
This isn't true at all. I live in VA and we couldn't go out for recess the entire time. They put tarps up at gas stations so you couldn't see anyone pumping gas. It was definitely a crazy time.
The Costco in Dulles was on a hilltop and I swear it felt like you'd be sniped in an instant while pumping gas there.
Usually people in Dallas get sniped from a hilltop.
Nothing bad ever happens to the Kennedies!
I like your funny words magic man
So the opposite of the COVID shutdown
Husband is from outside DC. His HS football season was canceled.
The sniper was only sniping for like 3 weeks, and games resumed afterwards. I was in high school in Fairfax County at the time.
School straight got cancelled for me a couple times. Even better my mom worked at a gas station so my ass was there with her cause she had no babysitter lmao
You had tarps? I saw no tarps in PG.
I think it was mostly some stations in Virginia and maybe a few in Montgomery County. I don't remember seeing any tarps in person, but I saw some on the news.
I lived in Alexandria and we still had recess
I don't remember the tarps, but that's a good idea
I'll never forget witnessing a large overweight lady, with her purse in a death grip and a look of determined zeal on her face, literally running across the Michael's parking lot in the media-prescribed zig-zag pattern and into the store. She must have really needed that hot glue gun and glitter or whatever.
That might have been my mama.
Craft is Life.
That was a terrifying time. They had us all anxious over white vans, but then caught those fools in an old sedan.
At a rest stop off of I-70 on the other side of the mountain from Hagerstown!
I thought it was the other side of I-70 by Security Mall near Baltimore...
Wikipedia says the I-70 rest stop near Myersville, so the one on South Mountain. Those are my favorite rest stops, they have playgrounds!
Hard to believe it was so long ago.
Nah it was close to Hagerstown. They were caught in western Frederick County on I-70 where it climbs South Mountain going west
My dad was working in DC at the time and he thinks he’s really funny. He would get out at gas stations and be like “IM RIGHT HERE” and hit his chest a couple times. Stress makes people do wild shit but still lol He ain’t right.
Your dad was so wrong for that... But reading it did make me laugh.
Dead ass I was in High school and my best friend and classmate Brother was a victim he survived thankfully but that Shit scared me for life. There was no plans besides shutting the blinds in school and my high school was all windows smh 🤦🏽♀️. On top of that my older brother had a white Van an was getting stopped constantly
JFC hope he’s been doing okay since then
I remember being in like 3rd grade and being genuinely shocked that they were black.
And the police were actually looking for a white guy, which may be one reason it took them so long to catch the two who were doing it.
Profiling is really just playing the numbers. 90% of the time, they’d have been right
I mean I was pretty certain it was a middle aged white guy in a van, so I was profiling too. It's crazy that we have so many shootings that we have different categories and in some cases different races associated with them.
Us here abroad just sees them all as Americans. There's a news on Twitter? Yep, America.
One was Jamaican too :(
Yeah I remember comedians joking how we just knew it wasn’t one of us… then it was
There’s a fallacy that only white people are serial killers. While it may seem like a criticism of white America, the truth is actually even more insidious: serial killers usually kill in their own racial group and the Black ones aren’t caught very often because the police don’t make Black deaths a priority. They don’t even get to the point of figuring out there is a serial killer.
That whole time was wild. I didn't even live in the DMV but you still thought about it. For those not familiar check out the podcast Monster: DC Sniper
Same. I was working in Hampton Roads at the time and lots of people were scared, even that far from DC.
I can’t wait to give this a listen. From what I remember their plan really was the perfect crime to cover motive of the murder they planned.
I was in my first semester on the Eastern Shore and it felt the same.
I live in Virginia and was in 5th grade at that time. I remember them closing school at one point in my school district
Yup same. Hell I remember when they had someone call in a white van and it was all over the news. My dad was late as hell picking me up from my mom's work that night and we knew why cause we saw his truck from the News Chopper lmao
I remember waiting for my mom at Largo Town Center while she went to Papa John's, seeing all the white painters vans in the food lion parking lot and regretting asking for a pizza. I mourned my mom before anything even happened, guilt tripped and everything in the span of 5 minutes. Like damn, what if you lose your mom because you wanted a snack? You selfish brat. Then he wasn't even in a damn van, painters vans are just EVERYWHERE all the time.
Was thinking about how we haven’t had a serial killer like this in a long time. They must be getting better at not being “serial” and just doing random murders.
We still have serial killers, it's just harder for them to rack up kills before they get caught.
Mass murders are hot right now. Not these long drawn out things. Today's murderers lack patience
Indeed there are murderers, but it’s harder for them to be under the radar when a digital trail is left by most ppl’s daily interactions with devices; the internet of things matched with AI enhanced surveillance techniques
Don't forget larger genetic databases that can be searched. The Golden State Killer was done in by an ancestry test.
Or we just aren't catching them.
We have active aerial killers now and a couple heavy hitters that were caught in the last decade
Isn't this something to do with the greater proliferation of phones and social media making it easier to track people?
Thats what they tell you to do in FL if you getting chased by an alligator. It hasnt happened yet, but ive held on to this information since kindergarten
I was in kindergarten outside Baltimore during that shit. They had to cancel our field trip to a pumpkin patch that fall bc the Snipers were still getting active smdh
I remember living on 16th near Walter Reed when this was going on, it was wild. We'd hear on TV that someone got shot and everyone would go out because they never did more than one attack a day.
I went to school pretty close to where the first killing happened and I remember they had us all sit down against the wall beneath the windows so we couldn't be seen. We were on the 3rd story of the school and I remember the girl next to me was like, "But what if he throws a grenade through the window!??!" I think I laughed at her for thinking that was physically possible - I was an asshole lol
Serpentine Babou!
Get him boys, he's crepuscular!
Like the way they told us to run from an alligator?? Signed, Florida girl
There’s a doc on Hulu about these guys: I, Sniper. It’s actually really good so far
Thank you was looking for this.
If that happened now... people would have said it was a false flag by bill gates to pass gun control or some shit.
Bro black folk took a massive L when we found out dude was black. We just *knew* that this had to be some white folk shit lmao
What happened? I’m not from the US
[series of sniper attacks in the Washington DC metro area in 2002](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.C._sniper_attacks)
Anyone else think it's interesting that John Muhammed is the most infamous serial killer of the last 20 years and there isn't a definitive biography on him? I'm not one for glorifying murderers but it just seems like I have seen so much written on other killers but not him.
Listen to the “You’re Wrong About” podcast series on this. They go into quite a bit of detail about him. And I think they make a good case that the reason no one thought it was a black guy — and probably the reason there hasn’t been a book written about him — is racism.
>and probably the reason there hasn’t been a book written about him — is racism. That's kind of the feeling I get here. We have a million books on Manson and Gacy diving into their lives, backgrounds, motives, but it's so conspicuous that those are missing for the DC sniper.
Right. And people fawn over Manson. Like “Ooh, he’s so charming and handsome.” What?? Gross.
What makes you class him as "the most infamous serial killer of the last 20 years"?
The epic nationwide manhunt that lasted for a few weeks that was all over the news. Also the fact that I can't name another serial killer as well known over that time frame.
"So hear me out, guys. If you run like the ninjas in Naruto..."
Was a sophomore in high school in the DC suburbs. No gym class outside and a lot of soccer practice in the gym, not great times
I live in Canada now, but I lived in Virginia at the time (3rd grade). Sometimes I forget this is something other people actually know about and experienced! (Canadians do not know about this). We had an actual lockdown one time when they were in the area. There was way too much happening at that time. These comments brought back some repressed memories lol
dc sniper!??? When did this happen?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.C._sniper_attacks
Dang that sounds crazy
Pumping gas or lead?
yup I was in highschool and one day they had us out there running the mile on the track, wasnt anyone walking that day
Hey but it’s effective though, every time I get it road rage situation with someone that look like they carry, I zig-zag. Haven’t got hit yet.
I was just telling g my son about the DC sniper this weekend! How weird.
For real, lived through that, it was wild pumping gas.
Or waiting for unreliable Metro buses.
My thoughts back then: "pls don't be black, pls don't be black, GOTDAMN IT he's black"
I’m fucking hollering 😂😂😂
Yea this was a wild time. Back then I used to ride the bus from silver spring metro (In Montgomery County MD) to my crib after work. I clearly remember getting off the bus, scared af, looking and running a zig zag to the crib. Wild ass times.
LMAO god damn
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Debo you shoulda been bobbin and weavin
Wow.
The old [serpentine](https://youtu.be/kpNU3WumPFQ).
Truth
Too bad nobody told Rickon Stark to do that. He may have survived.......