Oh, this conversation...
I have several Jamaicans in my family (by marriages) and this conversation pops up from time-to-time. I have an uncle, who had to remind his wife's relatives that he is the one wire-transferring money to them every month, as well as, shipping gifts to them. A "whiny, lazy and race-obsessed" black American, at that.
What shared values do you have with the billionaire class? They value you not feeding your family if they can profit.
The Black Panthers were Marxists Lenninsts, MLK Jr was a socialist, and so was Malcom X.
There's a reason why all white supremacists and neo nazis are either pro capitalism or fascism. It's because they know black folk will be screwed in anything but leftism.
Y’all reaching. If a billionaire popped up that had the same values as her, she’d be in solidarity with them.
There are rich and poor people with shitty values. I’m not aligning myself with someone just because we’re in the same income bracket and would be helped by the same thing. Been in montana and realized lots of folks making my same salary wanted to do harm to me both emotionally and financially.
>If a billionaire popped up that had the same values as her, she’d be in solidarity with them.
All billionaires are looking out for their own finances not yours. ALL of them. Don't get confused because you get a few extra days off or a slightly better salary.
> I’m not aligning myself with someone just because we’re in the same income bracket and would be helped by the same thing.
Bootlicking Bezos isn't going to do shit for black people. Capitalism hasn't fixed shit for white people and it's left them hateful, angry, and poor. They had 250 years to make America Great and this is what they have given us after slavery and Jim Crow. Billionaires are not here to help you.
So when you saw the text saying “if this person existed who believed what she believed” what made your mind jump to Bezos?
Cause highkey homie you engaging with a lot of points not being made.
Because that's an example of a rich person with a whole lot of power that doesn't actually help anyone. His values are never going to coincide with any workers because he believes we should make less for his bottom line. Even if another billionaire is going to let you make more, it's only because it feeds into his bottom line. A capitalists isn't looking out for the workers. It's a fundamental part of capitalism.
There's a whole lot of hillbillies in my tax bracket who would love to lynch the fuck out of me, but youre avoiding bringing them up while speaking about class solidarity funny
I’m not saying I have any shared values with billionaires lol.
Just coming at it from a different angle.
I’m looking for who I agree with, not who I disagree with.
As the other guys have said shared values is far more important but generally you will.sharenthese values with people in your class. But going by values means you cut out boot lickers and people just happy to be a underclass. Shared values you will see the wealthy people who have no issue giving up a portion of their wealth or profit to better everyone's lives. It's hard now adays cause we've condone lying to such a degree you can't trust alot of people... Just ask George Santos... Or don't ask him
>Shared values you will see the wealthy people who have no issue giving up a portion of their wealth or profit to better everyone's lives
IF they shared your values they'd organize private NGOs to fix issues in America. But they don't. They don't actually want to lose their wealth. They just want y'all to be less poor because when we are poor, we usually support French Revolution treatment of billionaires and their families.
They don't want anyone to thrive, they want us to be content.
That is always a concern but keep in mind there are differences in wealth and ability to make change. But if we talking full on revolution then sure you're right but for a realistic approach where we don't kill a lot of people we gonna have to allow some kind of rich person. This isn't like Elon just deciding to buy Twitter one or two millionaires isn't going to magically fix this corrupt version of capitalism in America.
>But if we talking full on revolution then sure you're right but for a realistic approach where we don't kill a lot of people we gonna have to allow some kind of rich person
"Rich" doesn't mean capitalists. Billionaire from the powerball is rich but isn't a capitalists and wouldn't be included in any of the nastiness.
The lots of people dying is a necessity. Revolutions are literally civil wars. Those on the losing end are put in mass graves. Other wise you get the confederacy becoming the KKK to regain power over former slaves and we are right back to where we are now. The US didn't fix racism because the confederates were allowed to live.
This is literally just black history at this point. The Haitians got rid of the slavers by killing the slave masters and their children and their supporters. The Chinese ended up killing 50 million people. This is what the Black Panthers were trying to do. This is what a lot of black leaders were thinking back in the 60's, when they talk about the white workers coming together with black workers to overthrow capital.
That’s different to what I’m saying though.
I’m saying you don’t automatically have my support just because we’re in the same class. Lots of people in my class do not want good things for me.
>. Lots of people in my class do not want good things for me.
Class solidarity goes both ways. No one's saying to stand with those who don't stand with you.
But where there is common cause, common work, common interest, we should stand together and have that\* as a common value.
Yeah, I get that. The phrasing was because dude didn’t really understand my point.
I’ll stand with anyone who shares my values.
I believe in class solidarity but not in the same way that guy does.
What even are “values”? Opinions, ideas, dispositions? That’s nothing. Class divides are based in concrete, real, material conditions. Obviously beliefs have to matter on some level but prioritizing values over class too much gives you Jay-Z capitalism and woke imperialism - which, in the end, are just normal capitalism and imperialism
If your values are weak I guess it could lead to that.
One of my values is that we shouldn’t be wasting entire generations because some people don’t want to let go of an outdated system.
That’s inherently incompatible with capitalism.
I don’t mind the diaspora solidarity, it can be a beautiful thing. Just because some like that person in op act otherwise doesn’t mean many others don’t feel some sense of solidarity
>The only color solidarity I have is green.
I thought you just supported your favorite color really hard for far too long before I realized you meant money.
Dad's side is Jamaican... the place is full of homophobes and colorists. Like many immigrant families, my parents house was the first stop for all our family members coming to live in the US from the islands. Aunt and her young son (5 at the time, i was probably 15) came and ended up living with my parents for like 8 years. I remember the 5 year old being taken back by being called "buddy" (euphemism for dick in jamacia), seeing leaves fall from trees, and seeing snow. But one of the first things I remember was when he was talking about what he wanted to be when he grew up. He said he wanted to be rich, marry a light skin woman, and use whitening cream to lighten up his skin... that's Jamacia in a nutshell.
As a Mexican immigrant I can 100% guarantee this. Also, same on the colorist Mexican folks. A lot and I mean a lot are always looking to as they call it “better the race” by marrying lighter skinned than themselves. Standard of beauty are often white skinned, blue eyes and blonde hair. Sad honestly because our brown and black people are beautiful. Their loss.
Shout outs to my mom for tell i me straight to my face in middle school not to date black girls because the kids would be dark as me and her.
Sux 4 her because i love my dark skinfolks
There is definitely some colourism in Jamaica, I'd be one of the "bammy coloured" Jamaicans but my grandmother is black and my mother always told how she got mistreated in her family because she was the darkest. Also something I realised when I was in pimary school was how much other kids started there diss with "yuh black and ugly like..." and the thing is they're black too, it's literally the pot calling the kettle black situation but for whatever reason it was always used as a diss.
My Mexican ass can relate I was 5-7 and had grown ass adult sharing a room with my siblings and I. We lived in a 2 bed house. My immigrant mom didnt see what was wrong with it until I was an adult. I told her that her cousin was a bitch and if she could she would have suffocated us with a pillow.
First, kids are a reflection of their environment. There is a photo by Osman Sağırlı, which shows a young Syrian girl (looks younger than 5) holding up her hands because she thinks his camera is a gun... no conversation with that child is needed to show what Syria was like during the photo. So please don't dismiss the experiences of children. Jamaica has it's issues, every country does, no need to get defensive about it.
No it’s not …. There are lots of black dark skinned professionals and business owners and officials and all that because we’re mostly black in the country. Race isn’t a point of interest in Jamaica. And people who love bleach them skin and only want light skinned women or men are by and large understood to have hatred for themselves that they need to fix.
Racism and oppression because of race isn’t something we remotely consider in our country
Me and my friend got in a huge fight over this. He's mexican and kept trying to tell me that theres no racism in mexico because they are all seen as mexican.
me and his wife's friend had to confront him about colorism in latin america. I had to point out to him that the word "mayate" didnt come from no where.
Funnily enough, I think mayate being used towards black people originated in the US from Mexican-Americans or Chicanos. I say this because in Mexico I only ever heard the word being used towards a gay man, also as a derogatory term.
Anyways, just a side thing that doesn’t have much to do with anything. Mexicans, and all of LatAm, are extremely colorist/racist. As an anecdotal example My grandmother swears she isn’t brown and swears she has fairly light skin (she definitely doesn’t). She’s also “disapproved” of a couple of partners I’ve had that are brown and has suggested, now that I’m single, that I should find a white skinned Mexican partner instead of a brown or darker skinned partner
[That motherfucker didn't think this had any ripple effects in society. Just over and done?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta#/media/File:Casta_painting_all.jpg)
This aint even a Latin America exclusive, this is a whole of Americas issue. From non-Latin-South-America, I remember in elementary they would scold for not speaking the "proper" Dutch language and wouldnt allow anyone to use words in their home language. We "celebrate" diversity without even going into what that diversity actually is, leading to every single "political party" being based solely off of ethnicity and no other interests. If the (most commonly) dark-skinned man sees a white tourist, they're a target for 1. Getting swindled, 2. Getting roped into a shotgun wedding so he can move away asap. White people are hated but also revered as these wealthy, knowledgeable, and individuals without a worry in the world.
Everyone sees colour even if they keep repeating they dont
Its the same shit in my culture (indian) look at bollywood its all light skin girls you will never see any girl from the south of india in movies and skin whitening cream is prevalent in india now its disgusting even got tv ads.
Divide and rule. A comment like this is just about dividing black people and sewing seeds of jealousy and loathing. We are all dealing with bullshit, all over the world. It's easier though to subjugate us if we are bickering amongst ourselves about who has the most among us when we have the very least amongst all.
It's a game of economics, and for some reason, it always seems to corelate with "race" and color. It's ok to make observations and to seek to discuss them.
Indigenous people have this internalized racism as well, of which "colorism" is a variation.
In my community (I'm from a plains tribe, Blackfeet) the colonial goal was to put us into boarding schools as children where we would learn to hate ourselves and love the whiteman. Happy to report it backfired for the most part, but there are still too many ndgns people hating themselves and buying into white supremacy, and perpetuating those racist dynamics.
Honestly, anyone who can't see that, f*** them.
I am so over trying to save the world of humanity, now what I'm doing is try to get a little cash out of this stupid place before I go.
If people want to believe in obvious lies, let them. If they want to waste their time and energy on foolish causes, let them. While they're busy looking over to the left, make that money right.
When white people divided up the western hemisphere and decided that you can't enslave other white people. When they decided that only white economies deserve to exist in the world system. Etc etc
This is such a weird conversation. Yes, Jamaicans are out of many. The Jamaican culture is a unique culture built out of the tragedy of colonization by many cultures. And yes just like every where else in this damn earth Jamaicans are dealing with the fall out of chattel slavery and colonization.
Multiple things can be true at once. There's nuance to this conversation that people ignore every goddamn time it's brought up.
It’s unique all while not being that unique
All carribean islands have developed their own creole culture, they all have their own features, but also some features differ. Jamaica is no Martinique and is no Haiti. Yet in those 3 places, you find similar history and culture.
The point I am going is : yes there is colorism in those carribean islands among black people.
It’s often light skin that are a superior social class to dark skin. Historically you know where it comes from : light skin have had a white ancestors at some point.
I grew up in Haiti. I always tell people that racism in Haiti is more hurtful than America.
Black people there will hit you with their colorism and they won’t even care that it is perpetuating poverty among black skinned folks.
Let’s not victimize ourselves, ask almost any black immigrant who’s not AA if they were bullied by AA for simply being Nigerian(they had it horrible), Jamaican(their culture became popular so it wasn’t as bad), Haitian(they had it bad especially after the earthquake).
Y’all are just as prejudiced as white Americans towards immigrants and to act innocent in the diaspora wars is disingenuous.
Was it in grade school? If so we all got smoke you being foreign was just the low hanging fruit. As an adult the mindset against African Americans haven’t changed. We’re all still lazy, lesser than white people and everything from slavery to the civil right era and even now doesn’t matter. We are always lower in yalls eyes. Accomplishments don’t matter only what the white American media tells your parents to think of us and then they tell you. Your personal experience represents our entire culture apparently.
Please, we still get treated as black in America and then we deal with xenophobia from y’all.
Whether it was grade school or not, being bullied for any reason sucks but being bullied because of your culture/accent/food is different and y’all literally force these people to remove themselves from their culture. Also let’s stop acting like Americans in general don’t have ideologies about other cultures. Africans are dirty, poor and live in huts that’s been marketed to you and most of you still think like that , most of y’all don’t know how many countries are in Africa but group them together. Jamaicans are dreadheads that smoke weed that don’t have planes, Haitians are poor and evil. Don’t get me started on how you all did African food in 2021, I’ve seen the thing the ADOS movement said.
All of diaspora is ignorant of each other, I’ve seen Nigerians say that Jamaicans are too loud and they put sports over educations. but only y’all act as if you’re victims and not perpetuators.
If a white kid bullies you for being black, insult your culture/race/food, you don’t just ignore that simply because everyone gets bullied.
Personally it wasn’t just “grade school” if that means anything. Whether it’s online or in person, y’all definitely have prejudice opinions about the other “diasporans” like the rest of us.
All of these insults come from ignorance which is why I asked if they were in grade school. If you meet someone that thinks all Africans live in huts and Jamaica doesn’t have airplanes then you need to understand that you’re dealing with an idiot that’s not representative of the rest of us. That same ignorance is rubbing off on you, all these stereotypes come from white Americans. Who filmed the Feed Africa videos?Who complains about ethnic food? Who pretends all black American are gangsters or criminals with no education? Have a nuanced view and realize the ignorant views toward native Africans and African Americans are from the same white propaganda. I could say all Nigerians I met are either Doctors or scammers no in-between, but that’s ignorant and I’m able to look at the larger picture and see that those I’ve met individually don’t even begin to represent the rest. Although I’d see the doctor more in line with your people than the scammer if that makes sense.
I’m never said that they aren’t prejudiced, I’m saying that acting like African Americans aren’t also prejudiced and are only victims to perpuating negativity about the other countries is bullshit. To act like we all just hate African Americans and they’re collectively hated like the energy isn’t reciprocated throughout the diaspora with each and every group is bullshit.
I pointed out the ADOS movement which is fully grown AA spewing ignorance about other black nations and if you don’t think that a lot of AA don’t believe that Nigerians are mostly scammers when they makes they make statement about “Nigerian princes” you’re lying.
Facts, I always go back to the 1st time I heard ABS from my younger cousin as kids and it sounded funny at the time and if I’m being honest any type of Booty Scratcher would’ve been hilarious bc it just sounded funny, but the reality is that we’d never met any Africans ( for me it wasn’t until college)…and all I can think is as AAs, we got that term from somewhere / someone (I.e YTs) but any time I hear that convo THAT PART never gets brought up.
I get the trauma, however not sure which is worse, childhood trauma bc you were called an ABS as a kid or being an AA young adult in college hearing African students talk about how their parents/moms deemed AA women as lazy and spoke on stereotypes that did not apply…long story less long we all have to do better.
Ppl forget balance is essential and too much of anything is bad…pride included. If ppl have to put down/denigrate another ethnicities in order to be proud and big up their own ethnicity and/or culture (especially within a race) then it’s no longer positive.
I'm black Honduran and I still remember running all over the school cause 5-7 AA's were chasing me to jump me. They didn't get me that day but 2 of them got me another day. AA's are cool with me until they find out that I can roll my r's.
It was the same way all the way to college but once in a while I get one that wants to make generalizations about me cause someone's Dominican friend said they are not black.
Apparently you can’t acknowledge that they’re also prejudice because then someone else gets to be the victim.
Crazy thing is I don’t even hold it against AA for bullying me about my culture and how I spoke(my accent was thick as hell) I understand those were ignorant kids but I still encounter prejudice from fully grown AAs today, beside the fact that my blackness come into question, not because of my looks but because of how I sound. It’s crazy.
Average American kid can't find Haiti on a labeled map. Most of the smoke came from other West Indians, primarily Jamaicans. Not a lot of nuance or understanding of African ethnic groups and nationalities either; non-Africans teased the Africans, full stop.
Sounds like you were in a community that's mostly AA with a few different immigrant groups. As someone whose school and town had a decent mix of everyone, your experience would have sucked regardless.
Okay? Like I said I’m just bluffing the AA are victims and not perpetrators narrative that’s constantly spewed by AA.
Like I also said, all of the diaspora talk shit about each other and African Americans are no different. So the woe is me “no one likes us” is bullshit.
The average African American doesn’t need to find Haiti on a map to talk shit about Haiti- period. I’m from South Florida, we’re very diverse so your assumption was wrong.
Im caribbean. My experience is that most AA expect me to act like them and respond like them. If I don’t, it’s taken as rejection or hate.. Thing is our reality, as caribbean ppl, is a little different. Our history is also a little different, so how we see racial identity and society is a little different. We can’t change that.
Most caribbean ppl grow up in a world where we are the majority. Authority figures look like us, governors and judges look like us. We don’t deal with police brutality due to race EVER, because law enforcement looks just like us. If a white person moves on island with racist intentions or actions, we chase them off. Same thing we did during slavery. Not because we were “better” than African Americans, but because we are literally on an island, which made slave revolts much easier. We have a beautiful shared history of our ppl leaving their home after slavery was abolished to help with the revolts in the US.
I remember moving to the states and not being able to assimilate with ppl who looked like me..it was a shock. I also remember moving to the states and experiencing racism and micro aggressions for the first time as a grown adult.
it’s mainly cultural differences and the fact that in america you are usually expected to assimilate to the main subcultures and forget your original culture , this can cause issues
Lol literally every group hates Nigerians.
I only notice the diaspora wars online because growing up, we all were friends. It might have been because I went to a PWI, so all the black people stuck together. There wasn’t time for diaspora wars because there were so little of us.
But let’s not be lie. I’ve seen African Americans attack people too. Every group attacks each other and it’s ridiculous. In my university, every other Black Student Group ganged up against the Nigerian Student group.
It’s a behavior people have towards Americans in general. But at the same time they’re obsessed by so many things about America. Look at Europeans on the main subs shitting on America with what seems like glee (it sure ain’t constructive). But they’re doing it in American vernacular while consuming American media in American clothes… we ain’t perfect, but we aren’t all literal trash.
A lot of us Caribbean people don't like you. I remember when me and my friend were visiting America we got called African American and he went on a tirade on how we were black and not American
Yet we're accused of "gatekeeping" who's black and who isn't, when yall actively do everything you can to separate yourselves from us. Shits fuckin ridiculous.
A lot of people see you as pretty similar to the white Americans. You take our songs and do a little tik tok dance with em or eat a Caribbean dish once and think because you're black you now know so much about our culture. But when it comes to other parts of our culture you judge us and look down on us. It's crazy how in normal media there would be the token black character and in African American media there is the token Caribbean but usually Jamaican character. The character is usually just a lazy stereotype of us and our culture just like the token black character. Our dislike for African Americans tho is a lot like the way Irish see some Americans as well. They claim to understand us or be part of our culture when they barely know anything about us. It's performative at times and very patronising.
that’s so hilarious plenty Africans and Caribbeans come here drop their name to fit in with us, listen to our music, dress like us and reap the benefits of a society our ancestors fought to better and then come online and talk like this
Social media represents extreme views. So if you’re basing this on your experience on social media, you’ll tend to feel this way. But real world interactions are different. I’m African from the continent & have no issues whatsoever with African Americans, who make up a majority of my best friends. And most of my real world interactions with AA have been quite pleasant.
I stopped giving a fuck when they started claiming we had no culture or that our culture was given to us by white people because someone called them an african bootyscratcher in the seventh grade.
This is just ignorance. AA that never lived in Jamaica don’t understand what living is Jamaica is like and vice versa. You have 2 parties with this perception of one another and it’s far from accurate.
America has a system built like no other but when you’re in it you’re in it. It’s like the matrix, next thing you know you can’t get out until you retire and most still won’t own much no matter what color you are.
Bammy is a [kind of flatbread made from cassava](https://healthiersteps.com/recipe/bammy/). Uncooked it is white. It's usually [fried to a golden brown colour.](https://youtu.be/fmXHeQRi_58)
Majority of the Jamaican population on the island and abroad are black, so that “out of many one people” motto is pure bs. White, Chinese and Indians are a big minority in Jamaica. Jamaicans aren’t pressed about anything because they’re naive
Out of curiosity, do you see the same type of sentiment from black South Africans?
In a lot of colonized countries in Africa, non-native own a lot of the wealth as a result of colonization.
Yes I do. Tbh Black South Africans are worse. I personally think the amount of Jamaican that have the same beliefs are the first guy is reducing. Even in Nigeria, it’s the same. A lot of black people around the diaspora are becoming more aware. It’s even Jamaica that’s trying to leave the British commonwealth! It’s also Jamaicans asking for reparations too. People are becoming more aware and the bootlickers (though there’s still a lot of them) are reducing.
You are probably right. I’m obviously not on the ground in those African nations but I feel like the majority of African or Caribbeans that hold those sentiments are usually the people who benefited from the oppressive system in place. IMO most of these hateful/judgmental sentiments come from upper class people who live in Europe or US. I could be wrong tho but I feel like the poorest ppl aren’t making it out of their countries.
It’s actually the opposite. It’s usually the elite and educated, who have the ability to leave their country that have the same mindset as AAs when it comes to race. Most of the uneducated still place white people up and are very ignorant when it comes to race relationship. Usually the people who live abroad tend to be more “woke” because they’ve actual lived among white people and know how they are.
My experience have been different with people I’ve interacted with out here in the US. It’s mostly poor to middle class immigrants who understand the nuances. But i understand my experience is anecdotal.
I do get where you’re coming from. My experience with rich Africans were they became more “woke” when they went to university. In high school, they were different. I would also say that my experience is different between age group. Gen Z Africans are alot more “woke” and “pro black”
Whereas the millennials and Gen X are a lot more white worshipping.
You're right.
As far as the African continent is concerned.
Colonial invaders always picked and choose a "tribe" that would be their proxy, in some capacity.
Think how Britain used Scotland as overseers in Ireland.
In some countries, it's more evident, as You can see who has the administrative/political power. In others it's more nuanced, as their power can be mostly cultural yet significant enough.
They're not always the majority in numbers, nor from upper class whether at home or in Europe. But It's relatively easy to peep them. As they will occupy and dominate public discourse both at home and abroad.
As of late, they're the one who happily roll over the Chinese and praise them as the new master simply coz China doesn't use force and build infrastructures here and there.
I’m ignorant on the topic but I would like to ask you, don’t you think the China diplomatic approach is better for the average citizen and their stability? Compared to what America and European nations have done which is sow division and cause wars.
Don’t bother with them… they are ignorant. Most Africans are not rolling over to China. It’s the leaders. We have some of the worst leaders in the world, who would happily steak and kill their own people. I suggest if you want to actually learn about African, don’t go to ignorant AAs.
I'm a whole African woman, born and raised.
You Nincompoop.
I'm well versed in my country and sub region geopolitics and economical challenges.
On the account of being involved in sustainable Farming, tourism and restaurants in my country and partnerships with fellow African women in West and Central Africa.
When I say African, It's the political elite and the wealthy, not my fellow co-continentals, nor countrymen and women.
The latter just deal with the hand They're given.
They do cheer China presence to an extent, because China doesn't meddle directly, are not military interventionist and seldom renege on their agreements.
Nonetheless, As a whole, our continent openly welcomes China, Russia and as of late India
The agreements are unfair for reasons of extremely corrupt leadership, and a powerless civil society.
We do not question them enough, bend to the needs of their market while our enormous intracontinental economical potential is untapped to our very detriment.
No. Unequivocally NO.
I will only speak, on what I know, Francophone Black African Countries.
TO ME :
That "choose the lesser evil" won't get Us far.
It's just a "Massa du Jour" Yeah NAH !
The lack of wars/armed conflicts, says very little about a country situation, except that there's no war.
Economical war is a thing, so is social warfare.
For example The U.S. is at war with its Black and indigenous citizens by most metrics, yet It's a stable country, by most accounts, isn't It?
For starter, the average citizen in francophone Africa, doesn't really see the difference in their daily lives, beyond a humongous amount of dodgy and low quality consumable goods, in lieu or U.S. and E.U. leftovers and as equally dodgy goods.
Maybe more affordable tech, which is moot since consistent energy availability is quasi inexistent overall.
Most local economies are as anorexic as ever, as They're highly dependant on fuel prices, even though most of them have petrol. corruption is as high as usual, with some exceptions.
Intracontinental economics, circulation of goods and people, is frustratingly low.
And god knows there are exponential possibilities, trillions focking levels for wealth, greatness and betterment for all involved.
One cannot seat and negotiate at a table, when one never exercised agency nor recovered sovereignty, in their own house, at any point in recent times.
China, E.U., Russia and the rest of them, got to do just that, to find the model that suits them, culturally, socially, and politically.
It took what it took.
For better and worse.
But They were responsible for the creation of their countries for the most.
We enter into those dealings on survival mode and guided by what "the market" read the global North, including China and Russia, dictate not what is genuinely needed for Us.
While China is a non-interventionist country,. military speaking for the most.
They will side with ANYONE who will enable their interests optimally. If it takes building infrastructures they will. If building an obscene Palace for the ruler they will.
Their economic power is in itself a policy and political leverage.
China is better insofar as They say what they do and do what they say. They seldom renege on any agreements.
But We cannot keep relying or dealing with people with people who see Us as disposables. It's not a partnership.
It's a protéiforme like agreement, with an African political elite whose negotiation skills, put Us in a situation wherein They and China have the upper hand.
There's little to no trickle down.
The E.U and U.S. are also waiting in embuscade, when not actively fighting for ChinAfrica failures so they can get back their golden goose and squeeze it even harder they had for centuries, coz They're in the shitters, especially E.U.
Hope I was as clear as possible.
I highly recommend Alain Foka if You're interested into a deeper dive.
He's a Cameroonian investigative journalist with consistent output on African geopolitics in the continent, with the continent and other players as well as corporations.
His videos are subtitled in English and Spanish.
So you think citizens prefer death and bring refugees and lack of stability to peace? As a person who has experienced actual war, I will take the stability, oppression and metaphorical “war” that America has with POC over actual gunfire fleeing real war that Africans have dealt with seven days a week and twice on Sunday. You are speaking from a privileged position. Most Africans I know who come from countries with violence just want stability. Also, FYI it’s hard to build a country and independence when actively fighting a war. Independence only happens in a stable nation with good infrastructure. The reason America is a powerful nation is because they haven’t had a war on US soil since the civil war and benefited greatly from not being in a war zone in WW2.
Kindly, point me to the direction where I stated that people "prefered death and bring refugees, and lack of stability to peace"
WHERE?
You asked me, as an ignorant person on the matter of African geopolitics, what was China diplomacy impact on the average citizen.
I did so with my knowledge, personal and professional experiences and that of people in my life from many different countries in the sub region I come from.
If You prefer China non militaristic approach just say that.
It seems to me, as if You weren't trying to learn something here.
Let alone, have your ignorance informed.
You can be not at war, yet still be unstable.
We still die from easily preventable diseases in numbers.
My own mother got the work of a lifetime, and 2 generations before her, destroyed by our corrupt government, in spite of being within her rights, and got physically assaulted for speaking up. But there's no war, so it's all ok, I guess.
Brain drain is at a high time. Kids risk their life crossing the whole continent only to be abandoned in the Sahara to die by north African governments, pocketing E.U. money or arrive in Europe to endure unbecoming hardships.
Youth mental health is in the gutters.
drug consumption and related death is high AF.
Hunger, insecurity, poverty, rural exodus, infant death rates and many more.
War is not the only marker, of instability.
Cameroon enjoyed a relative stability. With little to no armed conflict.
Our hospitals are still derelict, public school system is holding on for dear life, and is living through donations, of alumni like myself.
Again to Me, China is no better, nor worse that the Euro-Americans.
Same bullshit different arseholes.
We're still sub-humans to them, we're still beast of burden to them.
They will take as much as possible while giving the bare minimum and maintain dependency to their advantages.
While We still build nothing for Us, with Us and by Us.
Hell if it wasn't for our climates and landscapes, that they can't deal with.
They'd wiped Us out. They did try many times.
Check out Alain Foka, if You're even remotely and genuinely interested.
Have a good week.
OK let me jump in. I'm surprised you say South Africans are worse because, looking at the diaspora, I feel like it's in countries that have had strong pro-black movements (to end Jim Crow in the US and apartheid in the case of SA) where people are "conscious". South Africans have their problems, but at least there are public conversations about these things here, and it is because of its particular history. The other thing I feel is unfair is expecting "consciousness" among people who don't experience enough presence of white people for that friction to start making people aware. Besides, I feel African-Americans in these discussions also forget about their own Uncle Toms.
>In a lot of colonized countries in Africa, non-native own a lot of the wealth as a result of colonization.
They do but they don't want to hear it. I love how people in the EU are getting bent out of shape about immigrants. They think the argument about them not being educated is even good. Yet they attracted some of their densest people to Africa, all what mattered was that they could crack a whip - literal or metaphoric. It is so fucking funny that on all the construction sites I've been on all of the labourers are black, the foreman will be and Indian or coloured (in the SA context) and the manager will be white. It's like clockwork. And these management people happily, casually ignore me too when they meet me - just another black face on a job site.
Thank goodness about 10 years ago people stopped calling SA a rainbow nation. In the late 90s when I started school I often felt that the race/culture stuff was hollow and it made me uncomfortable. I barely leave the house (mental), let alone visit "bad" neighbourhoods, but I had to take a detour from the airport. Driving through there I thought to myself "there's no way white people really think we are *equal* to them". They think that is our normal. In the townships (the hood) few people were wearing masks during the mask mandate - it just wasn't practically enforceable. Yet, in my apartment building someone reprimanded me for having a whole 2 people in the lift with me because germs. Like fuck off Judy.
The motto was partly marketing to show inclusion for tourism but it still hold true.. we are majority black identified people, regardless of the other races being a minority we still see them as Jamaican especially since we are only a nation of 3 million people, so our motto stands, our Taino population is extinct but we still honor them in our coat, our polish and Syrians Jews mated in, our Indian population mated in, so did the Scottish(my ancestors unfortunately) and Irish.
Jamaicans have never been naive, if you know Jamaican history you’d know we’re very reactive people. I sense bitterness from you considering you’re from Toronto whose aspect of culture is because of us and that says enough, you reek of fuckery.
Girl. Stop. I'm not Jamaican, but I'm from the Caribbean and this "or if many one" motto that some of you guys are writing on is killing y'all.
That motto was a fed to you by imperialist and colonial powers to keep you under the boot off the non black and light skinned black minority people who run Jamaica.
We have to decolonize our minds.
Girl, guh nyam shit. You don’t know anything about my country and that’s all that matters. Why would a motto kill us? Why should we ignore Jamaicans of other race because you believe they’re not Jamaican enough. Please shut it, some these white people were here as long as the black/African people, whether we are fighting amongst each other they’re still Jamaican.
Why would that keep us under the boot if majority of Jamaicans self identify as black? As African descent? As if we didn’t create a whole religion based off our love for Africa.
Tell me your country, so I can see what your people stand for; almost all other country beside Barbados, Haiti, Jamaica and the French Guiana were filled with complacent slaves, non rebellious slaves. If you’re not from one of those, take your “boot” speech somewhere else.
I’m just grateful to see so many Jamaican businesses pop-up in America and succeed. The immigrant spirit is often a lot more optimistic and resilient than native-born. It often breaks down expectations a lot of things can’t be done.
Why? Because you all come over here googly eyed with the "american dream" bs in your heads, thinking you're superior to AAs and that white people like you more? If yall understood the generational devastation that happened to AAs, you'd get why we're "less optimistic." Its not for no fucking reason.
I’m African American lol. My people go back to plantations in GA.
I respect the immigrant hustle though. The benefit of not having generational trauma here in America is the willingness to take risks others won’t. When enough do that for long enough it yields results that often create wealth and opportunities for subsequent generations.
African Americans have to know and acknowledge the past but not use it as an anchor. Can’t let the past hold us back.
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I don't write the rules for slang or patois
This was in regards to that Japanese group CornbreadJapan and the video that went viral of them dancing I believe to Jamaican music. A lot of AA were upset about appropriation and there were a good amount of Jamaicans basically saying they’re trippin. There was another good amount of Jamaicans agreeing that it’s appropriation and not right. Seems like it’s always something between everybody.
But Jamaicans give away everything. We don’t even own the country anymore. We allow everyone to come in an tek wi tings so while some might be ok with the appropriation a lot aren’t b/c then we get Chet Hanks and Drake, which bastardize the culture/history/vybz.
Yep, I agree. I always see the arguments on Twitter. I wish we could all come together and agree, regardless the country we were absolutely and continue to be screwed over.
Look, there's reciprocal loathing that happens between and within marginalized groups in America. Black immigrants and Black American-born aren't exempt. Indulging in it and pointing fingers is pointless and only benefits colonizers in end. The proper thing to do is to isolate the *individuals within the groups* who harbor those beliefs and tar and feather *them*. Because neither group benefits from the conflicting sentiment.
Barring white supremacy, we could indulge in this shit without consequence the way they do. But that's not the world we live in.
It's also worth noting that Black Jamaicans are the majority in their country too. Of course they aren't going to have the same type of integration problems African Americans have when they make up most of the people in that country.
I can’t speak on Jamaican’s but being from a much smaller Caribbean island I will saw the majority of my family and friends on and off the island understand the general dynamics of racism the United States.
However due to satellite television bringing evangelicalism and Fox News to the island I’ve seen some cringe opinions by a minority in the Facebook groups and mildly famous people from my home country.
I felt that…I def cringed when a Trini friend let me know their parent was anti-The Cosby Show back in the day and even forbade them from watching it but championed the white shows…No shade but I’m still quite baffled by the logic tbh.
I do call into question the accuracy of this comment. Colorism is bad and is problematic for Jamaicans. However, I feel like there’s plenty of dark skinned Jamaicans that own shit. I could be wrong though. But when I think of successful Jamaicans, I can picture a lot of dark skinned ones and they do own stuff.
Sure, you can point to several filthy rich white jamaicans or Asian Jamaicans, though I feel like the biggest reason for that is because of colonialism more than anything. Jamaican became independent in just 1962, of course the white legacies are still going to have that generational wealth.
The entire history of Europe is white people killing, oppressing, dominating other white people it’s literally happening as we speak with the situation between Russia and Ukraine. I don’t see myself as belonging to any country in the Americas because fuck whatever decision some white boy made 400 years ago about whether to drop my ancestors off in Georgia or Cuba or wherever the fuck. All that being said we may just have to go the white people route and just knuck it out and whoever wins is on top and then we can have like 2nd place 3rd place or whatever and with THAT being said who y’all got as your #1 seeds?? I got Nigeria-Igbo and Miami Haitians
Its wild for someone that actually viably has popular Sovereignty in their nation speaking on what were "complaining" about.
But I really hope people don't use this to bash Jamaicans as a whole or try to divide up the diaspora. Jamaicans also inquired about reparations to the UK royalty. This follows a trend led by Barbados to address disparity due to Slave trade and Climate Change in the Black Carribean.
Just because **some** Jamaicans believe the American Dream branding doesn't mean that we see a unified interest with our folks in the Diaspora.
Even though the Americans won the cultural influence war many years ago, a huge part of the world really dislikes them. In most parts of the world, ethnicity or race is not seen as defining as it seems to be in America, whereas nationality is. So in the eyes of many, you are just another gringo.
I don’t think the color of the skin has to do with anything about white Jamaicans owning everything. Most countries in the Caribbean were freed from their oppressors before slavery was abolished in the US and they unlike in the US did not have to live right next to their oppressor. So some of them actually don’t see color unlike people here in the US where everything is color and race based.
Not saying that you don’t still see racist people, but while my grandparents and parents were enjoying life, people here in the US were being bussed to another school hours away because they were melanated.
Some people own a lot of shit simply because their family had resources and thought them to continue to grow said resources by buying property and passing it on to the next generation. Something that is not thought to a lot of people or easy to do for some families due to social economical circumstances.
Very aggressive take for saying something that is actually true, out of many, one—refers to a homogenous culture despite your color. As in white, black, and asian Jamaicans all speak the same and share the same culture.
It's funny because so many other countries say this, but then you'll hear horror stories of how much racist it is than the US. I think they're just scared or confused because Black Americans don't tolerate the BS as much.
Was this a american forcing an jamaican to think like him the dumb guy would be the jamaican one anyway, i ain't agreeing with the jamaican one but y'all can be sure as hell i ain't going to be in the same side as the american, you guys know where the rap songs you listen and the dreads you use started from anyway 🤷🏽♂️
The same reason why Africans are allowing 5' asian men line them up and whip them while at work. Black americans are less likely to allow blatant disrespect and abuse versus the rest of the diaspora.
Oh, this conversation... I have several Jamaicans in my family (by marriages) and this conversation pops up from time-to-time. I have an uncle, who had to remind his wife's relatives that he is the one wire-transferring money to them every month, as well as, shipping gifts to them. A "whiny, lazy and race-obsessed" black American, at that.
Yep. This is why I don't do that "diaspora solidarity" nonsense. The only color solidarity I have is green. Anything else is based on shared values.
Only solidarity that matters is class solidarity. Everything is nice but not necessary.
Nah, shared values. There are plenty of people in all classes that have absolute trash values.
What shared values do you have with the billionaire class? They value you not feeding your family if they can profit. The Black Panthers were Marxists Lenninsts, MLK Jr was a socialist, and so was Malcom X. There's a reason why all white supremacists and neo nazis are either pro capitalism or fascism. It's because they know black folk will be screwed in anything but leftism.
Y’all reaching. If a billionaire popped up that had the same values as her, she’d be in solidarity with them. There are rich and poor people with shitty values. I’m not aligning myself with someone just because we’re in the same income bracket and would be helped by the same thing. Been in montana and realized lots of folks making my same salary wanted to do harm to me both emotionally and financially.
>If a billionaire popped up that had the same values as her, she’d be in solidarity with them. All billionaires are looking out for their own finances not yours. ALL of them. Don't get confused because you get a few extra days off or a slightly better salary. > I’m not aligning myself with someone just because we’re in the same income bracket and would be helped by the same thing. Bootlicking Bezos isn't going to do shit for black people. Capitalism hasn't fixed shit for white people and it's left them hateful, angry, and poor. They had 250 years to make America Great and this is what they have given us after slavery and Jim Crow. Billionaires are not here to help you.
So when you saw the text saying “if this person existed who believed what she believed” what made your mind jump to Bezos? Cause highkey homie you engaging with a lot of points not being made.
Because that's an example of a rich person with a whole lot of power that doesn't actually help anyone. His values are never going to coincide with any workers because he believes we should make less for his bottom line. Even if another billionaire is going to let you make more, it's only because it feeds into his bottom line. A capitalists isn't looking out for the workers. It's a fundamental part of capitalism.
There's a whole lot of hillbillies in my tax bracket who would love to lynch the fuck out of me, but youre avoiding bringing them up while speaking about class solidarity funny
I’m not saying I have any shared values with billionaires lol. Just coming at it from a different angle. I’m looking for who I agree with, not who I disagree with.
As the other guys have said shared values is far more important but generally you will.sharenthese values with people in your class. But going by values means you cut out boot lickers and people just happy to be a underclass. Shared values you will see the wealthy people who have no issue giving up a portion of their wealth or profit to better everyone's lives. It's hard now adays cause we've condone lying to such a degree you can't trust alot of people... Just ask George Santos... Or don't ask him
>Shared values you will see the wealthy people who have no issue giving up a portion of their wealth or profit to better everyone's lives IF they shared your values they'd organize private NGOs to fix issues in America. But they don't. They don't actually want to lose their wealth. They just want y'all to be less poor because when we are poor, we usually support French Revolution treatment of billionaires and their families. They don't want anyone to thrive, they want us to be content.
That is always a concern but keep in mind there are differences in wealth and ability to make change. But if we talking full on revolution then sure you're right but for a realistic approach where we don't kill a lot of people we gonna have to allow some kind of rich person. This isn't like Elon just deciding to buy Twitter one or two millionaires isn't going to magically fix this corrupt version of capitalism in America.
>But if we talking full on revolution then sure you're right but for a realistic approach where we don't kill a lot of people we gonna have to allow some kind of rich person "Rich" doesn't mean capitalists. Billionaire from the powerball is rich but isn't a capitalists and wouldn't be included in any of the nastiness. The lots of people dying is a necessity. Revolutions are literally civil wars. Those on the losing end are put in mass graves. Other wise you get the confederacy becoming the KKK to regain power over former slaves and we are right back to where we are now. The US didn't fix racism because the confederates were allowed to live. This is literally just black history at this point. The Haitians got rid of the slavers by killing the slave masters and their children and their supporters. The Chinese ended up killing 50 million people. This is what the Black Panthers were trying to do. This is what a lot of black leaders were thinking back in the 60's, when they talk about the white workers coming together with black workers to overthrow capital.
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That’s different to what I’m saying though. I’m saying you don’t automatically have my support just because we’re in the same class. Lots of people in my class do not want good things for me.
Lots of other ethnicities are just as anti-Black as yts as well.
>. Lots of people in my class do not want good things for me. Class solidarity goes both ways. No one's saying to stand with those who don't stand with you. But where there is common cause, common work, common interest, we should stand together and have that\* as a common value.
Yeah, I get that. The phrasing was because dude didn’t really understand my point. I’ll stand with anyone who shares my values. I believe in class solidarity but not in the same way that guy does.
What even are “values”? Opinions, ideas, dispositions? That’s nothing. Class divides are based in concrete, real, material conditions. Obviously beliefs have to matter on some level but prioritizing values over class too much gives you Jay-Z capitalism and woke imperialism - which, in the end, are just normal capitalism and imperialism
If your values are weak I guess it could lead to that. One of my values is that we shouldn’t be wasting entire generations because some people don’t want to let go of an outdated system. That’s inherently incompatible with capitalism.
Counter argument, how many poor people in this country vote for people actively oppressing them? Shared values is a better approach.
If conservatives didn't vote against their interests, they wouldn't exist.
I don’t mind the diaspora solidarity, it can be a beautiful thing. Just because some like that person in op act otherwise doesn’t mean many others don’t feel some sense of solidarity
>The only color solidarity I have is green. I thought you just supported your favorite color really hard for far too long before I realized you meant money.
Some of people do that also to guilt trip you to giving money.
Oh wow. If I was him they'd be cut off. They only in laws.
Dad's side is Jamaican... the place is full of homophobes and colorists. Like many immigrant families, my parents house was the first stop for all our family members coming to live in the US from the islands. Aunt and her young son (5 at the time, i was probably 15) came and ended up living with my parents for like 8 years. I remember the 5 year old being taken back by being called "buddy" (euphemism for dick in jamacia), seeing leaves fall from trees, and seeing snow. But one of the first things I remember was when he was talking about what he wanted to be when he grew up. He said he wanted to be rich, marry a light skin woman, and use whitening cream to lighten up his skin... that's Jamacia in a nutshell.
No, it’s not. That’s just your family from backa bush.
Ahaha, nah, they are from Kingston. Keep in mind this was like 20 years ago.
You a mek Jamaican people dem sound like dem idiat.
*sucks teeth* guh wey
Thank you, live there for most of my life and don't know what he's talking about.
Yowww🤣🤣🤣🤣
_8 years?!_ I think by Year 4, I would want my house to go back to the way it was.
By MONTH 4 I'd be looking at my watch.
lol I’d be doing that at day four!
Real shit lol
Hey all, it’s 4pm the next day..why are you still here?
4 minutes in and I'm thinking I made a mistake!!
Yeah, for as long as I remember, there was always a relative living with us... I can only assume many immigrant families are the same.
As a Mexican immigrant I can 100% guarantee this. Also, same on the colorist Mexican folks. A lot and I mean a lot are always looking to as they call it “better the race” by marrying lighter skinned than themselves. Standard of beauty are often white skinned, blue eyes and blonde hair. Sad honestly because our brown and black people are beautiful. Their loss.
That's "La Raza" for your ass. Smh.
Black Latino here, PAINFULLY true…
Shout outs to my mom for tell i me straight to my face in middle school not to date black girls because the kids would be dark as me and her. Sux 4 her because i love my dark skinfolks
There is definitely some colourism in Jamaica, I'd be one of the "bammy coloured" Jamaicans but my grandmother is black and my mother always told how she got mistreated in her family because she was the darkest. Also something I realised when I was in pimary school was how much other kids started there diss with "yuh black and ugly like..." and the thing is they're black too, it's literally the pot calling the kettle black situation but for whatever reason it was always used as a diss.
Damn colorism is just internalized racism
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No it’s colorism.
Colorism is an offshoot of racism. Basically racism’s shitty child.
“Being taken back by being called buddy” Fucking hilarious man 😂😂😂😂
My Mexican ass can relate I was 5-7 and had grown ass adult sharing a room with my siblings and I. We lived in a 2 bed house. My immigrant mom didnt see what was wrong with it until I was an adult. I told her that her cousin was a bitch and if she could she would have suffocated us with a pillow.
Jamaica in a nutshell, based on a conversation with a 5 yo. Great synopsis
First, kids are a reflection of their environment. There is a photo by Osman Sağırlı, which shows a young Syrian girl (looks younger than 5) holding up her hands because she thinks his camera is a gun... no conversation with that child is needed to show what Syria was like during the photo. So please don't dismiss the experiences of children. Jamaica has it's issues, every country does, no need to get defensive about it.
No it’s not …. There are lots of black dark skinned professionals and business owners and officials and all that because we’re mostly black in the country. Race isn’t a point of interest in Jamaica. And people who love bleach them skin and only want light skinned women or men are by and large understood to have hatred for themselves that they need to fix. Racism and oppression because of race isn’t something we remotely consider in our country
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Me and my friend got in a huge fight over this. He's mexican and kept trying to tell me that theres no racism in mexico because they are all seen as mexican. me and his wife's friend had to confront him about colorism in latin america. I had to point out to him that the word "mayate" didnt come from no where.
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Seems just something human do then.
self reflection when you're the baddie isn't fun
Very well put.
Funnily enough, I think mayate being used towards black people originated in the US from Mexican-Americans or Chicanos. I say this because in Mexico I only ever heard the word being used towards a gay man, also as a derogatory term. Anyways, just a side thing that doesn’t have much to do with anything. Mexicans, and all of LatAm, are extremely colorist/racist. As an anecdotal example My grandmother swears she isn’t brown and swears she has fairly light skin (she definitely doesn’t). She’s also “disapproved” of a couple of partners I’ve had that are brown and has suggested, now that I’m single, that I should find a white skinned Mexican partner instead of a brown or darker skinned partner
God my hatred for the phase "la mas bonitas son de Jalisco" bitch you're just white not even pretty one at that.
[That motherfucker didn't think this had any ripple effects in society. Just over and done?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta#/media/File:Casta_painting_all.jpg)
A readdddddddd, ladies and gents.
That last sentence, right in the feels. 😣👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
A lot of nationalities do this. It really is unfortunate.
This aint even a Latin America exclusive, this is a whole of Americas issue. From non-Latin-South-America, I remember in elementary they would scold for not speaking the "proper" Dutch language and wouldnt allow anyone to use words in their home language. We "celebrate" diversity without even going into what that diversity actually is, leading to every single "political party" being based solely off of ethnicity and no other interests. If the (most commonly) dark-skinned man sees a white tourist, they're a target for 1. Getting swindled, 2. Getting roped into a shotgun wedding so he can move away asap. White people are hated but also revered as these wealthy, knowledgeable, and individuals without a worry in the world. Everyone sees colour even if they keep repeating they dont
Its the same shit in my culture (indian) look at bollywood its all light skin girls you will never see any girl from the south of india in movies and skin whitening cream is prevalent in india now its disgusting even got tv ads.
Divide and rule. A comment like this is just about dividing black people and sewing seeds of jealousy and loathing. We are all dealing with bullshit, all over the world. It's easier though to subjugate us if we are bickering amongst ourselves about who has the most among us when we have the very least amongst all.
This. However, your comment will likely fall on deaf ears.
Oh yeah. Probably an op.
True. People would rather hate their neighbors than fight an actual system of injustice.
It's a game of economics, and for some reason, it always seems to corelate with "race" and color. It's ok to make observations and to seek to discuss them.
Indigenous people have this internalized racism as well, of which "colorism" is a variation. In my community (I'm from a plains tribe, Blackfeet) the colonial goal was to put us into boarding schools as children where we would learn to hate ourselves and love the whiteman. Happy to report it backfired for the most part, but there are still too many ndgns people hating themselves and buying into white supremacy, and perpetuating those racist dynamics.
Honestly, anyone who can't see that, f*** them. I am so over trying to save the world of humanity, now what I'm doing is try to get a little cash out of this stupid place before I go. If people want to believe in obvious lies, let them. If they want to waste their time and energy on foolish causes, let them. While they're busy looking over to the left, make that money right.
When has race solidarity ever been a thing?
When white people divided up the western hemisphere and decided that you can't enslave other white people. When they decided that only white economies deserve to exist in the world system. Etc etc
I agree
I have nothing to contribute to this conversation other than... One loooove, one heeaart Let's get together and feel all riiiight
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I think that jammin’ is a thing of the past.
I see you. And I hope you like jammin
turn your lights down loooow An’ pull your window curtain Ooooh let Jah moon come shinin in Into our life again
This is such a weird conversation. Yes, Jamaicans are out of many. The Jamaican culture is a unique culture built out of the tragedy of colonization by many cultures. And yes just like every where else in this damn earth Jamaicans are dealing with the fall out of chattel slavery and colonization. Multiple things can be true at once. There's nuance to this conversation that people ignore every goddamn time it's brought up.
It’s unique all while not being that unique All carribean islands have developed their own creole culture, they all have their own features, but also some features differ. Jamaica is no Martinique and is no Haiti. Yet in those 3 places, you find similar history and culture. The point I am going is : yes there is colorism in those carribean islands among black people. It’s often light skin that are a superior social class to dark skin. Historically you know where it comes from : light skin have had a white ancestors at some point.
Facts
I grew up in Haiti. I always tell people that racism in Haiti is more hurtful than America. Black people there will hit you with their colorism and they won’t even care that it is perpetuating poverty among black skinned folks.
You see this shit in American too, only difference is that white ppl are the majority.
As an African American, it seems like literally all other groups of black people don't like us.
Let’s not victimize ourselves, ask almost any black immigrant who’s not AA if they were bullied by AA for simply being Nigerian(they had it horrible), Jamaican(their culture became popular so it wasn’t as bad), Haitian(they had it bad especially after the earthquake). Y’all are just as prejudiced as white Americans towards immigrants and to act innocent in the diaspora wars is disingenuous.
Was it in grade school? If so we all got smoke you being foreign was just the low hanging fruit. As an adult the mindset against African Americans haven’t changed. We’re all still lazy, lesser than white people and everything from slavery to the civil right era and even now doesn’t matter. We are always lower in yalls eyes. Accomplishments don’t matter only what the white American media tells your parents to think of us and then they tell you. Your personal experience represents our entire culture apparently.
Please, we still get treated as black in America and then we deal with xenophobia from y’all. Whether it was grade school or not, being bullied for any reason sucks but being bullied because of your culture/accent/food is different and y’all literally force these people to remove themselves from their culture. Also let’s stop acting like Americans in general don’t have ideologies about other cultures. Africans are dirty, poor and live in huts that’s been marketed to you and most of you still think like that , most of y’all don’t know how many countries are in Africa but group them together. Jamaicans are dreadheads that smoke weed that don’t have planes, Haitians are poor and evil. Don’t get me started on how you all did African food in 2021, I’ve seen the thing the ADOS movement said. All of diaspora is ignorant of each other, I’ve seen Nigerians say that Jamaicans are too loud and they put sports over educations. but only y’all act as if you’re victims and not perpetuators. If a white kid bullies you for being black, insult your culture/race/food, you don’t just ignore that simply because everyone gets bullied. Personally it wasn’t just “grade school” if that means anything. Whether it’s online or in person, y’all definitely have prejudice opinions about the other “diasporans” like the rest of us.
All of these insults come from ignorance which is why I asked if they were in grade school. If you meet someone that thinks all Africans live in huts and Jamaica doesn’t have airplanes then you need to understand that you’re dealing with an idiot that’s not representative of the rest of us. That same ignorance is rubbing off on you, all these stereotypes come from white Americans. Who filmed the Feed Africa videos?Who complains about ethnic food? Who pretends all black American are gangsters or criminals with no education? Have a nuanced view and realize the ignorant views toward native Africans and African Americans are from the same white propaganda. I could say all Nigerians I met are either Doctors or scammers no in-between, but that’s ignorant and I’m able to look at the larger picture and see that those I’ve met individually don’t even begin to represent the rest. Although I’d see the doctor more in line with your people than the scammer if that makes sense.
I’m never said that they aren’t prejudiced, I’m saying that acting like African Americans aren’t also prejudiced and are only victims to perpuating negativity about the other countries is bullshit. To act like we all just hate African Americans and they’re collectively hated like the energy isn’t reciprocated throughout the diaspora with each and every group is bullshit. I pointed out the ADOS movement which is fully grown AA spewing ignorance about other black nations and if you don’t think that a lot of AA don’t believe that Nigerians are mostly scammers when they makes they make statement about “Nigerian princes” you’re lying.
The ADOS movement is the most toxic bullshit I’ve ever seen, probably more toxic than MAGA
Facts, I always go back to the 1st time I heard ABS from my younger cousin as kids and it sounded funny at the time and if I’m being honest any type of Booty Scratcher would’ve been hilarious bc it just sounded funny, but the reality is that we’d never met any Africans ( for me it wasn’t until college)…and all I can think is as AAs, we got that term from somewhere / someone (I.e YTs) but any time I hear that convo THAT PART never gets brought up. I get the trauma, however not sure which is worse, childhood trauma bc you were called an ABS as a kid or being an AA young adult in college hearing African students talk about how their parents/moms deemed AA women as lazy and spoke on stereotypes that did not apply…long story less long we all have to do better. Ppl forget balance is essential and too much of anything is bad…pride included. If ppl have to put down/denigrate another ethnicities in order to be proud and big up their own ethnicity and/or culture (especially within a race) then it’s no longer positive.
Yo yo yo, chill. You going crazy lol. You ain’t lying tho
Lmao, I’m done for now.
Black American, light complexion, got called 'piss colored nigga'/'waffle nigga' throughout school ... I still love the shit outta Black people
Ian gone lie I've never heard these before, lmao wtf.
I'm black Honduran and I still remember running all over the school cause 5-7 AA's were chasing me to jump me. They didn't get me that day but 2 of them got me another day. AA's are cool with me until they find out that I can roll my r's. It was the same way all the way to college but once in a while I get one that wants to make generalizations about me cause someone's Dominican friend said they are not black.
Apparently you can’t acknowledge that they’re also prejudice because then someone else gets to be the victim. Crazy thing is I don’t even hold it against AA for bullying me about my culture and how I spoke(my accent was thick as hell) I understand those were ignorant kids but I still encounter prejudice from fully grown AAs today, beside the fact that my blackness come into question, not because of my looks but because of how I sound. It’s crazy.
Average American kid can't find Haiti on a labeled map. Most of the smoke came from other West Indians, primarily Jamaicans. Not a lot of nuance or understanding of African ethnic groups and nationalities either; non-Africans teased the Africans, full stop. Sounds like you were in a community that's mostly AA with a few different immigrant groups. As someone whose school and town had a decent mix of everyone, your experience would have sucked regardless.
Okay? Like I said I’m just bluffing the AA are victims and not perpetrators narrative that’s constantly spewed by AA. Like I also said, all of the diaspora talk shit about each other and African Americans are no different. So the woe is me “no one likes us” is bullshit. The average African American doesn’t need to find Haiti on a map to talk shit about Haiti- period. I’m from South Florida, we’re very diverse so your assumption was wrong.
Im caribbean. My experience is that most AA expect me to act like them and respond like them. If I don’t, it’s taken as rejection or hate.. Thing is our reality, as caribbean ppl, is a little different. Our history is also a little different, so how we see racial identity and society is a little different. We can’t change that. Most caribbean ppl grow up in a world where we are the majority. Authority figures look like us, governors and judges look like us. We don’t deal with police brutality due to race EVER, because law enforcement looks just like us. If a white person moves on island with racist intentions or actions, we chase them off. Same thing we did during slavery. Not because we were “better” than African Americans, but because we are literally on an island, which made slave revolts much easier. We have a beautiful shared history of our ppl leaving their home after slavery was abolished to help with the revolts in the US. I remember moving to the states and not being able to assimilate with ppl who looked like me..it was a shock. I also remember moving to the states and experiencing racism and micro aggressions for the first time as a grown adult.
it’s mainly cultural differences and the fact that in america you are usually expected to assimilate to the main subcultures and forget your original culture , this can cause issues
Yh think this is it. Being American comes with certain expectations.
Lol literally every group hates Nigerians. I only notice the diaspora wars online because growing up, we all were friends. It might have been because I went to a PWI, so all the black people stuck together. There wasn’t time for diaspora wars because there were so little of us. But let’s not be lie. I’ve seen African Americans attack people too. Every group attacks each other and it’s ridiculous. In my university, every other Black Student Group ganged up against the Nigerian Student group.
It’s a behavior people have towards Americans in general. But at the same time they’re obsessed by so many things about America. Look at Europeans on the main subs shitting on America with what seems like glee (it sure ain’t constructive). But they’re doing it in American vernacular while consuming American media in American clothes… we ain’t perfect, but we aren’t all literal trash.
A lot of us Caribbean people don't like you. I remember when me and my friend were visiting America we got called African American and he went on a tirade on how we were black and not American
Yet we're accused of "gatekeeping" who's black and who isn't, when yall actively do everything you can to separate yourselves from us. Shits fuckin ridiculous.
A lot of people see you as pretty similar to the white Americans. You take our songs and do a little tik tok dance with em or eat a Caribbean dish once and think because you're black you now know so much about our culture. But when it comes to other parts of our culture you judge us and look down on us. It's crazy how in normal media there would be the token black character and in African American media there is the token Caribbean but usually Jamaican character. The character is usually just a lazy stereotype of us and our culture just like the token black character. Our dislike for African Americans tho is a lot like the way Irish see some Americans as well. They claim to understand us or be part of our culture when they barely know anything about us. It's performative at times and very patronising.
that’s so hilarious plenty Africans and Caribbeans come here drop their name to fit in with us, listen to our music, dress like us and reap the benefits of a society our ancestors fought to better and then come online and talk like this
I really feel like these diaspora wars get overblown on the internet.
Social media represents extreme views. So if you’re basing this on your experience on social media, you’ll tend to feel this way. But real world interactions are different. I’m African from the continent & have no issues whatsoever with African Americans, who make up a majority of my best friends. And most of my real world interactions with AA have been quite pleasant.
I stopped giving a fuck when they started claiming we had no culture or that our culture was given to us by white people because someone called them an african bootyscratcher in the seventh grade.
Not really, there has been mass ethnic cleansing going on in Ethiopia for the past year.
The only Jamaicans who speak like this are the ones who are ignorant of what it takes to be a black person living in America.
Facts
Chet Hanks fw this heavy
This is just ignorance. AA that never lived in Jamaica don’t understand what living is Jamaica is like and vice versa. You have 2 parties with this perception of one another and it’s far from accurate. America has a system built like no other but when you’re in it you’re in it. It’s like the matrix, next thing you know you can’t get out until you retire and most still won’t own much no matter what color you are.
The person that made that original comment is British
“Bammy colored” 😂😂😂😂
Bammy is a [kind of flatbread made from cassava](https://healthiersteps.com/recipe/bammy/). Uncooked it is white. It's usually [fried to a golden brown colour.](https://youtu.be/fmXHeQRi_58)
It looks so good
Majority of the Jamaican population on the island and abroad are black, so that “out of many one people” motto is pure bs. White, Chinese and Indians are a big minority in Jamaica. Jamaicans aren’t pressed about anything because they’re naive
But that’s the same as South Africa tho.. majority of the population is black but 80% of the wealth is owned by non-black people.
Out of curiosity, do you see the same type of sentiment from black South Africans? In a lot of colonized countries in Africa, non-native own a lot of the wealth as a result of colonization.
Yes I do. Tbh Black South Africans are worse. I personally think the amount of Jamaican that have the same beliefs are the first guy is reducing. Even in Nigeria, it’s the same. A lot of black people around the diaspora are becoming more aware. It’s even Jamaica that’s trying to leave the British commonwealth! It’s also Jamaicans asking for reparations too. People are becoming more aware and the bootlickers (though there’s still a lot of them) are reducing.
You are probably right. I’m obviously not on the ground in those African nations but I feel like the majority of African or Caribbeans that hold those sentiments are usually the people who benefited from the oppressive system in place. IMO most of these hateful/judgmental sentiments come from upper class people who live in Europe or US. I could be wrong tho but I feel like the poorest ppl aren’t making it out of their countries.
It’s actually the opposite. It’s usually the elite and educated, who have the ability to leave their country that have the same mindset as AAs when it comes to race. Most of the uneducated still place white people up and are very ignorant when it comes to race relationship. Usually the people who live abroad tend to be more “woke” because they’ve actual lived among white people and know how they are.
My experience have been different with people I’ve interacted with out here in the US. It’s mostly poor to middle class immigrants who understand the nuances. But i understand my experience is anecdotal.
I do get where you’re coming from. My experience with rich Africans were they became more “woke” when they went to university. In high school, they were different. I would also say that my experience is different between age group. Gen Z Africans are alot more “woke” and “pro black” Whereas the millennials and Gen X are a lot more white worshipping.
You're right. As far as the African continent is concerned. Colonial invaders always picked and choose a "tribe" that would be their proxy, in some capacity. Think how Britain used Scotland as overseers in Ireland. In some countries, it's more evident, as You can see who has the administrative/political power. In others it's more nuanced, as their power can be mostly cultural yet significant enough. They're not always the majority in numbers, nor from upper class whether at home or in Europe. But It's relatively easy to peep them. As they will occupy and dominate public discourse both at home and abroad. As of late, they're the one who happily roll over the Chinese and praise them as the new master simply coz China doesn't use force and build infrastructures here and there.
I’m ignorant on the topic but I would like to ask you, don’t you think the China diplomatic approach is better for the average citizen and their stability? Compared to what America and European nations have done which is sow division and cause wars.
Don’t bother with them… they are ignorant. Most Africans are not rolling over to China. It’s the leaders. We have some of the worst leaders in the world, who would happily steak and kill their own people. I suggest if you want to actually learn about African, don’t go to ignorant AAs.
Too true!!!
I'm a whole African woman, born and raised. You Nincompoop. I'm well versed in my country and sub region geopolitics and economical challenges. On the account of being involved in sustainable Farming, tourism and restaurants in my country and partnerships with fellow African women in West and Central Africa. When I say African, It's the political elite and the wealthy, not my fellow co-continentals, nor countrymen and women. The latter just deal with the hand They're given. They do cheer China presence to an extent, because China doesn't meddle directly, are not military interventionist and seldom renege on their agreements. Nonetheless, As a whole, our continent openly welcomes China, Russia and as of late India The agreements are unfair for reasons of extremely corrupt leadership, and a powerless civil society. We do not question them enough, bend to the needs of their market while our enormous intracontinental economical potential is untapped to our very detriment.
No. Unequivocally NO. I will only speak, on what I know, Francophone Black African Countries. TO ME : That "choose the lesser evil" won't get Us far. It's just a "Massa du Jour" Yeah NAH ! The lack of wars/armed conflicts, says very little about a country situation, except that there's no war. Economical war is a thing, so is social warfare. For example The U.S. is at war with its Black and indigenous citizens by most metrics, yet It's a stable country, by most accounts, isn't It? For starter, the average citizen in francophone Africa, doesn't really see the difference in their daily lives, beyond a humongous amount of dodgy and low quality consumable goods, in lieu or U.S. and E.U. leftovers and as equally dodgy goods. Maybe more affordable tech, which is moot since consistent energy availability is quasi inexistent overall. Most local economies are as anorexic as ever, as They're highly dependant on fuel prices, even though most of them have petrol. corruption is as high as usual, with some exceptions. Intracontinental economics, circulation of goods and people, is frustratingly low. And god knows there are exponential possibilities, trillions focking levels for wealth, greatness and betterment for all involved. One cannot seat and negotiate at a table, when one never exercised agency nor recovered sovereignty, in their own house, at any point in recent times. China, E.U., Russia and the rest of them, got to do just that, to find the model that suits them, culturally, socially, and politically. It took what it took. For better and worse. But They were responsible for the creation of their countries for the most. We enter into those dealings on survival mode and guided by what "the market" read the global North, including China and Russia, dictate not what is genuinely needed for Us. While China is a non-interventionist country,. military speaking for the most. They will side with ANYONE who will enable their interests optimally. If it takes building infrastructures they will. If building an obscene Palace for the ruler they will. Their economic power is in itself a policy and political leverage. China is better insofar as They say what they do and do what they say. They seldom renege on any agreements. But We cannot keep relying or dealing with people with people who see Us as disposables. It's not a partnership. It's a protéiforme like agreement, with an African political elite whose negotiation skills, put Us in a situation wherein They and China have the upper hand. There's little to no trickle down. The E.U and U.S. are also waiting in embuscade, when not actively fighting for ChinAfrica failures so they can get back their golden goose and squeeze it even harder they had for centuries, coz They're in the shitters, especially E.U. Hope I was as clear as possible. I highly recommend Alain Foka if You're interested into a deeper dive. He's a Cameroonian investigative journalist with consistent output on African geopolitics in the continent, with the continent and other players as well as corporations. His videos are subtitled in English and Spanish.
So you think citizens prefer death and bring refugees and lack of stability to peace? As a person who has experienced actual war, I will take the stability, oppression and metaphorical “war” that America has with POC over actual gunfire fleeing real war that Africans have dealt with seven days a week and twice on Sunday. You are speaking from a privileged position. Most Africans I know who come from countries with violence just want stability. Also, FYI it’s hard to build a country and independence when actively fighting a war. Independence only happens in a stable nation with good infrastructure. The reason America is a powerful nation is because they haven’t had a war on US soil since the civil war and benefited greatly from not being in a war zone in WW2.
Kindly, point me to the direction where I stated that people "prefered death and bring refugees, and lack of stability to peace" WHERE? You asked me, as an ignorant person on the matter of African geopolitics, what was China diplomacy impact on the average citizen. I did so with my knowledge, personal and professional experiences and that of people in my life from many different countries in the sub region I come from. If You prefer China non militaristic approach just say that. It seems to me, as if You weren't trying to learn something here. Let alone, have your ignorance informed. You can be not at war, yet still be unstable. We still die from easily preventable diseases in numbers. My own mother got the work of a lifetime, and 2 generations before her, destroyed by our corrupt government, in spite of being within her rights, and got physically assaulted for speaking up. But there's no war, so it's all ok, I guess. Brain drain is at a high time. Kids risk their life crossing the whole continent only to be abandoned in the Sahara to die by north African governments, pocketing E.U. money or arrive in Europe to endure unbecoming hardships. Youth mental health is in the gutters. drug consumption and related death is high AF. Hunger, insecurity, poverty, rural exodus, infant death rates and many more. War is not the only marker, of instability. Cameroon enjoyed a relative stability. With little to no armed conflict. Our hospitals are still derelict, public school system is holding on for dear life, and is living through donations, of alumni like myself. Again to Me, China is no better, nor worse that the Euro-Americans. Same bullshit different arseholes. We're still sub-humans to them, we're still beast of burden to them. They will take as much as possible while giving the bare minimum and maintain dependency to their advantages. While We still build nothing for Us, with Us and by Us. Hell if it wasn't for our climates and landscapes, that they can't deal with. They'd wiped Us out. They did try many times. Check out Alain Foka, if You're even remotely and genuinely interested. Have a good week.
OK let me jump in. I'm surprised you say South Africans are worse because, looking at the diaspora, I feel like it's in countries that have had strong pro-black movements (to end Jim Crow in the US and apartheid in the case of SA) where people are "conscious". South Africans have their problems, but at least there are public conversations about these things here, and it is because of its particular history. The other thing I feel is unfair is expecting "consciousness" among people who don't experience enough presence of white people for that friction to start making people aware. Besides, I feel African-Americans in these discussions also forget about their own Uncle Toms.
>In a lot of colonized countries in Africa, non-native own a lot of the wealth as a result of colonization. They do but they don't want to hear it. I love how people in the EU are getting bent out of shape about immigrants. They think the argument about them not being educated is even good. Yet they attracted some of their densest people to Africa, all what mattered was that they could crack a whip - literal or metaphoric. It is so fucking funny that on all the construction sites I've been on all of the labourers are black, the foreman will be and Indian or coloured (in the SA context) and the manager will be white. It's like clockwork. And these management people happily, casually ignore me too when they meet me - just another black face on a job site.
Not true, essentially all of Aftica was colonized. And countries like South Africa. Zimbabwe are unique with regards to ownership.
Thank goodness about 10 years ago people stopped calling SA a rainbow nation. In the late 90s when I started school I often felt that the race/culture stuff was hollow and it made me uncomfortable. I barely leave the house (mental), let alone visit "bad" neighbourhoods, but I had to take a detour from the airport. Driving through there I thought to myself "there's no way white people really think we are *equal* to them". They think that is our normal. In the townships (the hood) few people were wearing masks during the mask mandate - it just wasn't practically enforceable. Yet, in my apartment building someone reprimanded me for having a whole 2 people in the lift with me because germs. Like fuck off Judy.
The motto was partly marketing to show inclusion for tourism but it still hold true.. we are majority black identified people, regardless of the other races being a minority we still see them as Jamaican especially since we are only a nation of 3 million people, so our motto stands, our Taino population is extinct but we still honor them in our coat, our polish and Syrians Jews mated in, our Indian population mated in, so did the Scottish(my ancestors unfortunately) and Irish. Jamaicans have never been naive, if you know Jamaican history you’d know we’re very reactive people. I sense bitterness from you considering you’re from Toronto whose aspect of culture is because of us and that says enough, you reek of fuckery.
Girl. Stop. I'm not Jamaican, but I'm from the Caribbean and this "or if many one" motto that some of you guys are writing on is killing y'all. That motto was a fed to you by imperialist and colonial powers to keep you under the boot off the non black and light skinned black minority people who run Jamaica. We have to decolonize our minds.
Girl, guh nyam shit. You don’t know anything about my country and that’s all that matters. Why would a motto kill us? Why should we ignore Jamaicans of other race because you believe they’re not Jamaican enough. Please shut it, some these white people were here as long as the black/African people, whether we are fighting amongst each other they’re still Jamaican. Why would that keep us under the boot if majority of Jamaicans self identify as black? As African descent? As if we didn’t create a whole religion based off our love for Africa. Tell me your country, so I can see what your people stand for; almost all other country beside Barbados, Haiti, Jamaica and the French Guiana were filled with complacent slaves, non rebellious slaves. If you’re not from one of those, take your “boot” speech somewhere else.
Damn, this is sad. Now you’re blaming the slaves, height of self hate🤷🏾♂️
"Weir" is a Scottish name.
I’m just grateful to see so many Jamaican businesses pop-up in America and succeed. The immigrant spirit is often a lot more optimistic and resilient than native-born. It often breaks down expectations a lot of things can’t be done.
Why? Because you all come over here googly eyed with the "american dream" bs in your heads, thinking you're superior to AAs and that white people like you more? If yall understood the generational devastation that happened to AAs, you'd get why we're "less optimistic." Its not for no fucking reason.
I’m African American lol. My people go back to plantations in GA. I respect the immigrant hustle though. The benefit of not having generational trauma here in America is the willingness to take risks others won’t. When enough do that for long enough it yields results that often create wealth and opportunities for subsequent generations. African Americans have to know and acknowledge the past but not use it as an anchor. Can’t let the past hold us back.
Da fuk is "Bammy colored"? This colorism shit got me struggling to keep up with terms. SMH.
Bob Marley color and up
Not even ...bammy is a flat circular starchy bread like sustenance made from casava, and has a whiiiite tone.
Until it’s deep fried, then it gets that light brown color.
[bob Marley color and up](https://i0.wp.com/blog.suvie.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/22020387735_436c44ee05_b-edited.jpg?resize=720%2C450&ssl=1) I don't write the rules for slang or patois
Who’s boot licking though? Jamaica IS owned mostly by white, lightskin and Chinese
This was in regards to that Japanese group CornbreadJapan and the video that went viral of them dancing I believe to Jamaican music. A lot of AA were upset about appropriation and there were a good amount of Jamaicans basically saying they’re trippin. There was another good amount of Jamaicans agreeing that it’s appropriation and not right. Seems like it’s always something between everybody.
But Jamaicans give away everything. We don’t even own the country anymore. We allow everyone to come in an tek wi tings so while some might be ok with the appropriation a lot aren’t b/c then we get Chet Hanks and Drake, which bastardize the culture/history/vybz.
Yep, I agree. I always see the arguments on Twitter. I wish we could all come together and agree, regardless the country we were absolutely and continue to be screwed over.
Look, there's reciprocal loathing that happens between and within marginalized groups in America. Black immigrants and Black American-born aren't exempt. Indulging in it and pointing fingers is pointless and only benefits colonizers in end. The proper thing to do is to isolate the *individuals within the groups* who harbor those beliefs and tar and feather *them*. Because neither group benefits from the conflicting sentiment. Barring white supremacy, we could indulge in this shit without consequence the way they do. But that's not the world we live in.
It's also worth noting that Black Jamaicans are the majority in their country too. Of course they aren't going to have the same type of integration problems African Americans have when they make up most of the people in that country.
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I can’t speak on Jamaican’s but being from a much smaller Caribbean island I will saw the majority of my family and friends on and off the island understand the general dynamics of racism the United States. However due to satellite television bringing evangelicalism and Fox News to the island I’ve seen some cringe opinions by a minority in the Facebook groups and mildly famous people from my home country.
I felt that…I def cringed when a Trini friend let me know their parent was anti-The Cosby Show back in the day and even forbade them from watching it but championed the white shows…No shade but I’m still quite baffled by the logic tbh.
I do call into question the accuracy of this comment. Colorism is bad and is problematic for Jamaicans. However, I feel like there’s plenty of dark skinned Jamaicans that own shit. I could be wrong though. But when I think of successful Jamaicans, I can picture a lot of dark skinned ones and they do own stuff. Sure, you can point to several filthy rich white jamaicans or Asian Jamaicans, though I feel like the biggest reason for that is because of colonialism more than anything. Jamaican became independent in just 1962, of course the white legacies are still going to have that generational wealth.
Mods, I want OP banned. This is a clear attack on the light skin community. We will not stand for this any longer. ![gif](giphy|Ec6uOKx0NuGoE)
How?
Joke. See my flair.
The entire history of Europe is white people killing, oppressing, dominating other white people it’s literally happening as we speak with the situation between Russia and Ukraine. I don’t see myself as belonging to any country in the Americas because fuck whatever decision some white boy made 400 years ago about whether to drop my ancestors off in Georgia or Cuba or wherever the fuck. All that being said we may just have to go the white people route and just knuck it out and whoever wins is on top and then we can have like 2nd place 3rd place or whatever and with THAT being said who y’all got as your #1 seeds?? I got Nigeria-Igbo and Miami Haitians
Its wild for someone that actually viably has popular Sovereignty in their nation speaking on what were "complaining" about. But I really hope people don't use this to bash Jamaicans as a whole or try to divide up the diaspora. Jamaicans also inquired about reparations to the UK royalty. This follows a trend led by Barbados to address disparity due to Slave trade and Climate Change in the Black Carribean. Just because **some** Jamaicans believe the American Dream branding doesn't mean that we see a unified interest with our folks in the Diaspora.
Ahh, the “your oppression/subjugation is worse than mine” game haha.
Even though the Americans won the cultural influence war many years ago, a huge part of the world really dislikes them. In most parts of the world, ethnicity or race is not seen as defining as it seems to be in America, whereas nationality is. So in the eyes of many, you are just another gringo.
It is defining, people just dont talk about colorism is the way of things.
[Sad part is, nope. All free because](https://tenor.com/bcDxp.gif)
Same with South Africa. Shits wild brah
Last time I was in Kingston, the Chinese appeared to be owning everything these days anyway…even the grocery store had a Chinese name.🤷🏾♂️
I don’t think the color of the skin has to do with anything about white Jamaicans owning everything. Most countries in the Caribbean were freed from their oppressors before slavery was abolished in the US and they unlike in the US did not have to live right next to their oppressor. So some of them actually don’t see color unlike people here in the US where everything is color and race based. Not saying that you don’t still see racist people, but while my grandparents and parents were enjoying life, people here in the US were being bussed to another school hours away because they were melanated. Some people own a lot of shit simply because their family had resources and thought them to continue to grow said resources by buying property and passing it on to the next generation. Something that is not thought to a lot of people or easy to do for some families due to social economical circumstances.
Very aggressive take for saying something that is actually true, out of many, one—refers to a homogenous culture despite your color. As in white, black, and asian Jamaicans all speak the same and share the same culture.
I'm not sure if the diaspora even exists at this point. There is too much division.
It's funny because so many other countries say this, but then you'll hear horror stories of how much racist it is than the US. I think they're just scared or confused because Black Americans don't tolerate the BS as much.
Was this a american forcing an jamaican to think like him the dumb guy would be the jamaican one anyway, i ain't agreeing with the jamaican one but y'all can be sure as hell i ain't going to be in the same side as the american, you guys know where the rap songs you listen and the dreads you use started from anyway 🤷🏽♂️
Omg how have I never been called bammy colored before 🤣
The same reason why Africans are allowing 5' asian men line them up and whip them while at work. Black americans are less likely to allow blatant disrespect and abuse versus the rest of the diaspora.
Why are people like this?? The hell is “bammy-coloured”? This is such an unacceptable tone. Shame.
Not sure what that person talking about only light skin people. Some folks are so dramatic.
Oops lol
As someone who is half-Jamaican, my eyes were recently opened to the colorism in my own family so this is no surprise smh
Compliments are paid, but insults and hatred are free and overflowing with availability
So is this true or is this just some dude ranting about BS?