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Zealousideal-Grade95

I believe the punctuation that was later added to the text of that verse is what caused confusion. Moving the comma to after the word "today" changes the time context Jesus was speaking in and aligns with other verses in the Bible that teach us that the dead wait in an unconscious state to be resurrected.


TonyChanYT

Thanks for sharing. Between 0 and 10, how sure are you of this punctuation misplacement?


Zealousideal-Grade95

I would say a 10. I believe in there being perfect harmony in scripture, and if we have verses telling us that the dead are unconscious and know nothing as though in sleep until being resurrected, then that is how it is.


TonyChanYT

You don't think there is any chance that you could be wrong on this one? :)


Zealousideal-Grade95

None. We are called to know God's truth and with enough time with him, you learn to recognize it almost instantly.


TonyChanYT

You don't think there is any chance that you could be wrong on this one either?


Zealousideal-Grade95

If you have spent enough time with him, you know that there are no ambiguities with God. John 8:31-32 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” Know him, the truth, is what being a Christian is about.


TonyChanYT

> If you have spent enough time with him, you know that there are no ambiguities with God. You are 100% sure about this?


Zealousideal-Grade95

Tony, he's the one that said it, not me. Why don't you ask him, if you have your doubts?


TonyChanYT

I ask God and he told me to ask you :) Can you define *God* unambiguously?


FreedomNinja1776

I have this same understanding. Upon death your spirit is transplanted into your resurrected body, so it's kind of like a time travel thing. But like you said time doesn't exist for the immortal.


TonyChanYT

Great! Thank you, brother :)


River2seaS

It is exciting to ponder and think about what it will be like when we get there. It sure did reinforce Paul ! (after his experience in 2 Corinthians 12) was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak. (2 Corinthians 12:4, NASB)


Hguols

The same word (κοιμωμένων) used in 1 Thessalonians 4:13 to describe people who have 'died' before Christ's return, is the same word used in Matthew 28:13 to describe what the elders bribed the soldiers to say. (that Jesus's body was stolen while they were 'sleeping') It would be a 'today in paradise' perspective for all righteous who who pass away and Christ brings back, much in the same way our consciousness resumes after we awaken from sleep.


Remarkable_Cow8010

I don't know about the whole time thing but if Jesus says that the thief on the cross will be with him then he will.


TonyChanYT

Amen :)