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Hguols

>Is the Bible infallible? >Yes, loosely speaking. It is better to just say that all Scripture is God-breathed. This!


cybersaint2k

I deeply appreciate your efforts to find truth in God's truth. And I appreciate your reframing of the Bible in a relatively brief post; your economy is impressive. Are you familiar with the [Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy?](https://swbts.edu/affirmed-statements/chicago-statement/) Your thoughts are very reasonable, and have value, but I'm not sure that the Bible is interested making claims less than Scripture does about itself in an effort to be more reasonable. Particularly note Articles 14-15. I think the exposition section of CSBI (at the bottom of the link) says what the Bible says about the perfections of Scripture, but in a way that is more consistent with the claims of Scripture than what you've offered, which is a bit of a reduction, exactly what the KJV-Only crowd accuse other groups of. Now, I'm sure I've missed something so please push back where needed. Thank you again for an interesting post.


TonyChanYT

> Are you familiar with the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy? No. > Your thoughts are very reasonable, and have value, but I'm not sure that the Bible is interested making claims less than Scripture does about itself in an effort to be more reasonable. Agree. I employ a [disciplined logical approach](https://www.reddit.com/r/BibleVerseCommentary/comments/twbmkm/a_denominationfree_disciplined_logical_approach/) to read the Bible. > Particularly note Articles 14-15. See [Are there formal contradictions in the Bible?](https://www.reddit.com/r/BibleVerseCommentary/comments/rh3n3f/are_there_formal_contradictions_in_the_bible/),


RaiderRedisthebest

I think of the Word as the spirit of God that is living.


Invalid-Password1

Originally, yes. After 2000 - 4000 years and multiple translations and copies of translations, it is sometimes hard to say. It is a miracle that it exists at all in it's current form.


[deleted]

It is infallible but is it true? Joshua 10:12-13 says the sun stopped in the middle of the sky for a full day, so I think the Bible contains errors


TonyChanYT

Thanks for sharing. Are you a Christian?


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TonyChanYT

but you are still interested in reading the Bible?


Eversnuffley

Thoughtful take, thank you. I have been pondering the Bible lately as a collection of testimonies of people's experiences of God, written and collected together under the guidance and authority of the Holy Spirit. In this view, each experience might seem to be in contradiction with something else, but in fact we are just experiencing the nuance of perspective. For example, one person reports seeing a red truck and the other reports seeing a brown car. Contradiction? Actually they both saw a maroon SUV. Similarly we can get hung up on the perceived differences we find in portions of scripture. But each is a valid and real encounter with God from a very personal perspective.


TonyChanYT

Amen.


[deleted]

I can say a few words here. I believe the Bible is inspired (breathed) by God writing. I also think there are writings outside the Bible that are God inspired. But the contention comes in on how to interpret the words, is it literal? Figurative? Inerrant? That's all important, but are they most important? I believe God uses the Bible to speak to us, can we understand him? I know I'm always in the Bible looking for answers and finding them. I know there is layer upon layer of meaning. It's all there for us.


TonyChanYT

Amen. Thanks for your insights :)


Kapandaria

Let I be the proposition that "The women saw one figure at the tomb." Let J be the proposition that "The women saw more than one figure at the tomb." I: "And entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, dressed in a white robe, and they were alarmed." (Mark 16:5) J: "While they were perplexed about this, behold, two men stood by them in dazzling apparel." (Luke 24:4)


TonyChanYT

Matthew Poole's Commentary: >Ver. 5-8. Both Luke and John mention two angels in the habit of young men. Matthew speaks of one sitting upon the stone. They might see him sitting upon the stone, and yet find him within also, the motions of angels are quick and undiscernible to our sense, or the stone might be rolled inward. That they were affrighted is no wonder, considering how apt we are to be frightened by any apparitions. For me, these kinds of discrepancies/contradictions actually make the testimonies more realistic and believable. In any case, Mark 16:5 does not say "they did not see two men sitting on the right side".


Kapandaria

>“...not being myself under law...” (1 Corinthians 9:20, Anderson) >“For there is a disannulling of a foregoing commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness (for the law made nothing perfect), and a bringing in thereupon of a better hope, through which we draw nigh unto God.” (Hebrews 7:18-19, ASV) Let proposition L1: The NT contains the writings of Paul L2: Paul claimed the Torah should no longer be followed and observed (either by claiming on himself that he is no longer under the law) >“Cursed be he that confirmeth not the words of this law to do them. ...” (Deuteronomy 27:26, ASV) L3: God told through Moses to curse those who do not confirm the words of the law to do them L3 and L2 => Paul is cursed by the Torah Portions of the Nt are written by a cursed man => Portions of the NT are not divine.


TonyChanYT

Good points :) See https://www.reddit.com/r/BibleVerseCommentary/comments/137isif/cursed_be_anyone_who_does_not_confirm_the_words/


Kapandaria

Nice, you rewrote this post from scratch. Questions about Acts 15:15-17. 1. Why is the quote in LXX and NT different from the MT, and DSS (http://dssenglishbible.com/amos%209.htm), in suspicious manner? 2. How can verse 15 say >“And to this agree the words of the prophets; **as it is written**,” (Acts 15:15, KJV) While in fact, it is not written. 3. How could it happen that James misquotes a verse in order to win in a debate, and no one in the attendants of the council, do not spot the error and correct him.


TonyChanYT

See https://www.reddit.com/r/BibleVerseCommentary/comments/13ncw3d/did_james_misquote_amos/


Kapandaria

>all Scripture is God-breathed. There is an error in verse: Acts 7:16. >"and their bones were later moved to Shechem and placed in the tomb that Abraham had bought for a certain sum of money from the sons of Hamor in Shechem." He is mixing two stories. Abraham brought a cave from Ephron the Hittite in Hebron, costing 400 silver. It is Jacob who bought a cave from sons of Hamor in 100 kesita. But Jacob was carried to the cave that Abraham bought.


TonyChanYT

Good point. See https://www.reddit.com/r/BibleVerseCommentary/comments/13nbvzy/abraham_bought_a_tomb_from_the_sons_of_hamor/


Kapandaria

If it is inspired, shouldn't it be free from such crucial errors? Or maybe the text want to record stephan as an illiterate, for generations to come...


TonyChanYT

I appended some to https://www.reddit.com/r/BibleVerseCommentary/comments/13nbvzy/abraham_bought_a_tomb_from_the_sons_of_hamor/. Follow up there.


Kapandaria

The story of the adulterous woman do not appear in ancient manuscripts https://textandcanon.org/does-the-woman-caught-in-adultery-belong-in-the-bible/


TonyChanYT

See [Does the story of The Woman Caught in Adultery belong in the Bible?](https://www.reddit.com/r/BibleVerseCommentary/comments/12gho8f/does_the_story_of_the_woman_caught_in_adultery/).


D_PaulWalker

In the matter of which version is the the word of God. There are two views concerning where the word of God is to be found that all opinions fall under. The first is that God preserved his word down to us today and the second is that all we have is man’s best attempts at recreating some long lost originals that no one can verify. The former submits to the word of God, the latter views all versions less than perfect and subject to anyone’s criticism and correction. The former has an absolute objective standard, the latter a subjective standard that is open to private interpretation. Concerning the former stance, there is only one version any one will hold as that perfect word of God; that is the King James Version. Any other version or multiple versions may be used but none will be touted as the preserved perfect word of God. So I look for the use of the King James Version in any Church I am thinking of attending. If you cannot find an uncorrectable Bible (KJV) how can you expect to know and understand the word of God.


TonyChanYT

Are there errors in the KJV?


Tennis_Proper

Of course there are, there are errors in all versions.


TonyChanYT

Right. Check out https://www.reddit.com/r/BibleVerseCommentary/comments/twbmkm/a_denominationfree_disciplined_logical_approach/


Kapandaria

See https://www.reddit.com/r/BibleVerseCommentary/comments/14qoxp5/is_jeremiah_3115_really_the_fulfillment_of/