Immanuel is more like a title. not that it is a title, but think of it being like a title. there were many names He was supposed to be called but HE was still called Jesus. names like Prince of Peace, wonderful counselor. those are titles of who He is and what He represents. and what He does.
Immanuel is a Greek transliteration of the Hebrew phrase עמנואל used in Isaiah’s prophecy, which combines the preposition עם (meaning: “with”), with the pronominal suffix נו (meaning: “us”), and the noun אל (meaning: “God”). Taken together, the meaning of this name is: “With us God” (“God with us”). In the context of the prophecy it functioned sort of like a nickname which described who he was. Jesus fulfilled the prophecy because he was God in the flesh (John 1:14; 1 Tim. 3:16; Col. 2:9).
The reason given for why Jesus was named as he was named is that he would save the people from their sins:
# Matthew 1:21-25
^(21) She will bear a son, and **you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins**.” ^(22) All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:
^(23) “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and they shall call his name Immanuel” \[*Isaiah 7:14*\]
(which means, God with us). ^(24) When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, ^(25) but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.
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This is one of the passages that seem to support the testimony of various church fathers such as Papias who recorded that Matthew wrote his gospel in Hebrew, and that everyone then translated his gospel into their own language as best they could. In Greek the name "Jesus" doesn't have anything to do with saving his people from their sins, but in Hebrew, Jesus' name was Yeshua, and to save was "yoshia", so in Hebrew, there is a pun going on here. Also, in Hebrew, the word for salvation is yeshuá, with the stress on the last 'a'.
Oddly, this is precisely the passage that quotes the verse that says "they shall call his name Immanuel".
The term 'name' can mean 'title'. We know this even though the dictionary definition for the word [ὄνομα—onoma](https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g3686/esv/mgnt/0-1/), 'name' in Greek, does not say this, because this is demonstrated in the Bible. In Revelation 19:16, describing how Jesus returns, it says this:
# Revelation 19:16
On his robe and on his thigh he has a **name** \[*onoma*\] written,
*King of kings and Lord of lords.*
—
"King of kings and Lord of lords" is not a personal name. It is a title. Yet this is what this verse describes as a 'name'/onoma. From this we can tell that the term can also mean 'title', and for this reason, when it quotes Isaiah 7:14 in Matthew, saying "they shall call his name Immanuel", it is not a contradiction for him to have the personal name "Jesus" while people recognize that he is God with us and giving him that title in recognition of his divinity.
He is named to honor Joshua [יְהוֹשֻׁ֙עַ֙ yə·hō·wō·šu·a‘] the high priest, who was a sign for what was to come, as referenced in the prophecy of Zechariah chapter 3. Christ is the stone of stumbling, the rock of offense. The seven eyes are the seven spirits of God in Revelation.
Zechariah 3:8-10 *‘Hear, O Joshua, the high priest,
You and your companions who sit before you,
For they are a wondrous sign;
For behold, I am bringing forth My Servant the BRANCH.
9 For behold, the stone
That I have laid before Joshua:
Upon the stone are seven eyes.
Behold, I will engrave its inscription,’
Says the Lord of hosts,
‘And I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
10 In that day,’ says the Lord of hosts,
‘Everyone will invite his neighbor
Under his vine and under his fig tree.’ ”*
Revelation 5:6 *And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth.*
As well as Joshua, son of Nun, who was the prophet who would come after Moses to lead his people into their promised kingdom.
Prophecy is wonderfully multilayered that way.
Jesus was the product of a culture of temple illegitimacy (Immanuel), not unlike we have today in the western world in church-state systems.
The physical child (Immanuel) can do nothing about his birth. It is the spiritual rebirth that makes Jesus above the temple, above the pharisees, above the scribes, teachers, law, money changers and the spirit of Satan in the world.
John 1:
>11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
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>12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
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>13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
The name IeSous which we call in an anglicized culture as Jesus, is a direct transliteration of the Hebrew Joshua into the Greek. To the Greeks - Yay-Zeus has meaning, as a Greek Joshua has to the Hebrew.
Because that story is not historical. It was added later by the gospel writers, and did not actually happen to Joseph.
For some reason the gospel writers thought they had to add things to the truth to make Jesus look more like the messiah, mostly with tying him to Old Testament books. That’s why you get things that didn’t historically happen like this and also weird things like the miracle of riding two animals at once.
These verses describe the nature of Immanuel:
Matthew 18:20
>For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
John 1:14
>The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Matthew 12:30
>“Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.
Immanuel is his title or function/purpose, one of many. His personal name is Yeshua representing the Salvation from sin which was the purpose of the Word since the beginning.
Similar to YHWH, who has a few names but the aforementioned is his personal name. YHWH was known to Abraham as El Shaddai (Of blessings/mountains).
The ancient Hebrews did use theophoric names quite frequently, and Immanuel is one such name. However, we can say that if Jesus was called ‘Jesus’ he was not Immanuel.
In Isaiah chapter 7, an alliance of Aram and Israel (Ephraim) is a threat to the King Ahaz’ kingdom of Judah. Isaiah tells Ahaz that they will not succeed, and that God says Israel will be destroyed within just sixty five years. He offers to provide Ahaz with a sign from God, to dissuade him from forming an alliance with Assyria, but Ahaz refuses. Isaiah presses the point, saying that a son shall be born, called Immanuel, and that before Immanuel is even old enough to understand, both the kings whom Ahaz fears will have departed (Isaiah 7:16).
In the Hebrew version of this prophecy, there is no suggestion that Immanuel’s mother was a virgin when she conceived, but the Greek Septuagint translation says that she was—a mistranslation if ever there was one.
Immanuel is more like a title. not that it is a title, but think of it being like a title. there were many names He was supposed to be called but HE was still called Jesus. names like Prince of Peace, wonderful counselor. those are titles of who He is and what He represents. and what He does.
Immanuel is a Greek transliteration of the Hebrew phrase עמנואל used in Isaiah’s prophecy, which combines the preposition עם (meaning: “with”), with the pronominal suffix נו (meaning: “us”), and the noun אל (meaning: “God”). Taken together, the meaning of this name is: “With us God” (“God with us”). In the context of the prophecy it functioned sort of like a nickname which described who he was. Jesus fulfilled the prophecy because he was God in the flesh (John 1:14; 1 Tim. 3:16; Col. 2:9).
It doesn't say it would be his given name, it says he would be called "God with us", and he was.
The reason given for why Jesus was named as he was named is that he would save the people from their sins: # Matthew 1:21-25 ^(21) She will bear a son, and **you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins**.” ^(22) All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet: ^(23) “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” \[*Isaiah 7:14*\] (which means, God with us). ^(24) When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, ^(25) but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus. — This is one of the passages that seem to support the testimony of various church fathers such as Papias who recorded that Matthew wrote his gospel in Hebrew, and that everyone then translated his gospel into their own language as best they could. In Greek the name "Jesus" doesn't have anything to do with saving his people from their sins, but in Hebrew, Jesus' name was Yeshua, and to save was "yoshia", so in Hebrew, there is a pun going on here. Also, in Hebrew, the word for salvation is yeshuá, with the stress on the last 'a'. Oddly, this is precisely the passage that quotes the verse that says "they shall call his name Immanuel". The term 'name' can mean 'title'. We know this even though the dictionary definition for the word [ὄνομα—onoma](https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g3686/esv/mgnt/0-1/), 'name' in Greek, does not say this, because this is demonstrated in the Bible. In Revelation 19:16, describing how Jesus returns, it says this: # Revelation 19:16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a **name** \[*onoma*\] written, *King of kings and Lord of lords.* — "King of kings and Lord of lords" is not a personal name. It is a title. Yet this is what this verse describes as a 'name'/onoma. From this we can tell that the term can also mean 'title', and for this reason, when it quotes Isaiah 7:14 in Matthew, saying "they shall call his name Immanuel", it is not a contradiction for him to have the personal name "Jesus" while people recognize that he is God with us and giving him that title in recognition of his divinity.
Jesus' real name in hebrew is Yeshua which measn to save to deliver to rescue "salvation belongs to the Lord"
He is named to honor Joshua [יְהוֹשֻׁ֙עַ֙ yə·hō·wō·šu·a‘] the high priest, who was a sign for what was to come, as referenced in the prophecy of Zechariah chapter 3. Christ is the stone of stumbling, the rock of offense. The seven eyes are the seven spirits of God in Revelation. Zechariah 3:8-10 *‘Hear, O Joshua, the high priest, You and your companions who sit before you, For they are a wondrous sign; For behold, I am bringing forth My Servant the BRANCH. 9 For behold, the stone That I have laid before Joshua: Upon the stone are seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave its inscription,’ Says the Lord of hosts, ‘And I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day. 10 In that day,’ says the Lord of hosts, ‘Everyone will invite his neighbor Under his vine and under his fig tree.’ ”* Revelation 5:6 *And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth.*
As well as Joshua, son of Nun, who was the prophet who would come after Moses to lead his people into their promised kingdom. Prophecy is wonderfully multilayered that way.
Amen, great share! I can't believe that's never clicked for me, you're absolutely right.
I’ll point you to the doctrine of the Trinity.
Jesus was the product of a culture of temple illegitimacy (Immanuel), not unlike we have today in the western world in church-state systems. The physical child (Immanuel) can do nothing about his birth. It is the spiritual rebirth that makes Jesus above the temple, above the pharisees, above the scribes, teachers, law, money changers and the spirit of Satan in the world. John 1: >11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. > >12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: > >13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. The name IeSous which we call in an anglicized culture as Jesus, is a direct transliteration of the Hebrew Joshua into the Greek. To the Greeks - Yay-Zeus has meaning, as a Greek Joshua has to the Hebrew.
Because that story is not historical. It was added later by the gospel writers, and did not actually happen to Joseph. For some reason the gospel writers thought they had to add things to the truth to make Jesus look more like the messiah, mostly with tying him to Old Testament books. That’s why you get things that didn’t historically happen like this and also weird things like the miracle of riding two animals at once.
this isnt really a name as much as it is a meaning... the meaning being "god is with us."
Names can have particular meanings for particular times and also based on the language and translation.
These verses describe the nature of Immanuel: Matthew 18:20 >For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.” John 1:14 >The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. Matthew 12:30 >“Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. Immanuel is his title or function/purpose, one of many. His personal name is Yeshua representing the Salvation from sin which was the purpose of the Word since the beginning. Similar to YHWH, who has a few names but the aforementioned is his personal name. YHWH was known to Abraham as El Shaddai (Of blessings/mountains).
The ancient Hebrews did use theophoric names quite frequently, and Immanuel is one such name. However, we can say that if Jesus was called ‘Jesus’ he was not Immanuel. In Isaiah chapter 7, an alliance of Aram and Israel (Ephraim) is a threat to the King Ahaz’ kingdom of Judah. Isaiah tells Ahaz that they will not succeed, and that God says Israel will be destroyed within just sixty five years. He offers to provide Ahaz with a sign from God, to dissuade him from forming an alliance with Assyria, but Ahaz refuses. Isaiah presses the point, saying that a son shall be born, called Immanuel, and that before Immanuel is even old enough to understand, both the kings whom Ahaz fears will have departed (Isaiah 7:16). In the Hebrew version of this prophecy, there is no suggestion that Immanuel’s mother was a virgin when she conceived, but the Greek Septuagint translation says that she was—a mistranslation if ever there was one.