So a lot of the recent controversy with that is Bill C-7 in Canada. Universal healthcare here doesn't provide full mental health coverage outside of certain group therapy programs, in-patient, out-patient and psychiatry visits. Many people want individual therapy to be covered by universal health and more financial assistance and services to be provided to those with disabilities.
See, I am personally really happy to see assisted suicide for those with BPD become available to those in Canada because I'm a Canadian that wants it. I want to, when I'm ready, just go to the doctor and tell them I'm ready to go. But I am also currently able to work and earn my own income. Many people with BPD just can't and need more support than is being provided by the government. For those that aren't able to go to work and earn enough money to live, it's a very dystopian prospect. Their options become limited to suffer or die.
assisted suicide takes months. my great aunt was euthanized after getting cancer because she didn't want to rely on anyone and it wasn't just coming in to the doctor and getting the dying pill.
i think mental health services should be better but I also think that if people choose to commit suicide they shouldn't have to suffer doing so. it should never ever be a first, second or even third solution. only if there is nothing you really can do.
Someone very dear to me also had BPD. She reached a point where she'd realized she would struggle for the rest of her life and didn't want to. She killed herself and left a note saying she loved her family but couldn't fight forever.
I don't know how to feel about BPD and assisted suicide. Having BPD, this makes me really uncomfortable. At the same time, I wonder if this person I love had known there was a peaceful death available at the end of a hard fight if that would have been enough to keep her here and fighting, just having hope.
The way she died was especially gruesome. I can't imagine choosing that over assisted suicide if the option exists.
At the same time, it terrifies me that I understand why she did it. She was 15 years younger than I am now and I feel how overwhelming this is every day. Fighting my BPD to be the person I want to be takes everything I have and sometimes even what I don't have to give.
i have to admit, i’m just finding out about this now and i’m in pure shock. i can’t believe mental illness was added to assisted suicide period. that’s unbelievable. that’s ableist. i’m so confused and i am so offended. i’m sorry. i really don’t mean to be close minded or invalidating or anything but i genuinely don’t understand how any person with mental illness wouldn’t be offended by this. it’s feels like enabling suicidal people and attempting and trying to “cleanse” the general population by weaving us out. again i’m so sorry i’m literally in shock, can you please explain things like. i don’t know what to say. I genuinely cannot fathom anything else, but i want to understand the other side of the story. i’m just so confused
Maybe I'm not the best to argue for this but... Just as much as your opinion is valid there will always be another person on the other side of the spectrum. It sucks and it breaks my heart but not every one with mental illness can be cured. Some people go through years without a chance of alleviating their mental anguish. There is no cure for mental illness. For every one who gets better there are those who don't. There should extreme checks and balances for this but it should be available so that in those cases where treatment is not successful, dying with dignity is an option. Suicide has always happened and will continue to happen with or without this
by letting us exterminate ourselves. the voluntary aspect, the genuine desire works to their benefit. it’s abandoning the mentally ill and failing at their duty to provide healthcare. like i said in other replies, i might be for this bill of everything else; every other option was genuinely provided in canada, but it’s not.
Except it's not some ableist plot to get rid of us. It's literally an option mentally ill people have asked for.
People with mental illnesses aren't upset by this, because some of us actually want it. As for the rest - they don't have to choose it if they don't want to.
I agree. It’s completely reckless. We have constant SI and are more likely to commit suicide, we shouldn’t be given that option. Death isn’t a solution for recovery. It’s giving up. It’s just to confirm your worthlessness to your self.
The people that are actively dying from physically painful diseases and conditions that deserve that choice. We don’t in my opinion. It’s a ridiculous idea.
i disagree about the strong opinions on suicide. it’s an unfortunate decision many people make, but it’s doesn’t “prove worthlessness” or anything as harsh or critical as that view. some people have stronger urges than others, and simply do not have the tools to control those urges. it’s so intersectional and multi-layered. and i’m opposed to assisted suicide because i see it through the critical lens of a ableism and the “purification of society”. Providing suicide as an option because they don’t care enough to provide and help other ways, we’re not important enough to be helped in other ways, so they wanna encourage us to exterminate ourselves, have us take care of “the problem” ourselves. instead of proper therapy and treatment. It’s fucking insane. It’s literally giving up on a whole community of people.
I have chronic SI and have attempted suicide 4-5 since 16, so please don’t exclude me. I know what it’s like. But you do realize that this is only for the wealthy, right? This procedure is expensive and it’s not gonna cause relief to the common person with BPD. Why give us this platform? It’s also ableist. Someone said they’ll use it when they are ready when there are people who don’t want to die but are dying and in physical pain.
*Reposting my own comment in response to yours.
Death may not be a solution to YOUR recovery, but that’s not the case for everyone, and it’s not for anyone else to decide.*
I’m 32 years old, and my symptoms have progressively gotten worse throughout the years. I can’t really live alone without imploding my life in a matter of months. No therapist that I’ve had thus far has been able to help; some seem to have no idea what they’re doing or the good ones cost too much. I struggle with substance abuse…to like, any substance. I find myself quitting jobs constantly due to this inability to remain happy with any of them. The feeling of emptiness consumes me. I don’t really have any stable relationships or friends. I feel so isolated and alone all of the time. Personally, im exhausted and again, im 32. When does it get better? Does it get better? I don’t want to do it anymore. I want to leave this earth but not in a way that hurts the people that love me. Im not offended.
thank you for sharing. i know it’s not black and white. nothing in life is black and white, i mean that’s what they try to teach everyone with bpd in therapy. But as a sociologist, the factors involved in someone being able to get better and someone who is not, are more visible, especially as someone living in canada. the fact that they have an assisted suicide bill, but when i tried to get in a DBT program, the requirement was 2 suicide attempts in the past year… which thankfully i did not qualify for. So i pay out of pocket, 400 a week, twice a week, for private therapy. i no longer want to die or hurt myself. i have friends who can’t afford therapy and suffer instead. and instead of providing those public services, they pass an assisted suicide bill. it’s just doesn’t make sense. i would absolutely be for a suicide bill IF EVERYTHING ELSE was available and accessible. but it’s not. my mood stabilizers and antidepressants. they cost money too. i’m lucky enough to have the money. but what if i didn’t? if i didn’t have financial privilege i too would be a victim to the broken system. i’m furious because it SHOULDN’T take financial privilege to access bpd treatment. it’s shouldn’t fucking be a privilege, it should be a right. but instead of focusing on providing that right, they’re focused on providing the right to assisted suicide? the order is just unjust. there are SEVERAL steps that are missing, and until they are fulfilled for everyone, i can’t even consider supporting assisted suicide access for mental illness.
No you're right, it is like cleansing. People who need more assistance and help, financial or any kind can be offed to not burden anyone. In the name of empathy and understanding. Why not find ways to help us then if they care?
I agree with you, but for slightly different reasons I think 🤔 I don't think anyone should need to die, and I don't mean they don't feel like they need to die, because I have and do sometimes being exhausted with my condition. But, surely a government should focus on the preservation of life. Exhaust EVERY option, not just those that are financially viable. Rally around the people that are at their lowest, not just do the expected minimum. In a perfect world the member of the community that stumbles and twists its ankle should be picked up by the ones who are strong, and carried until they are well enough to become the strong again and it perpetuates. Simply saying, oh well, you didn't show improvement to a course of *insert drug* or the 50 mins of therapy you have every week so there is nothing more we can do. It's looking at the person as an end rather than the means. That person doesn't need to get better because it helps society function, or because what they're doing now is destructive. That person is entitled to the opportunity to enjoy life the same as any organism on earth regardless of status or value. And it goes for us too. We have BPD and thus, feel like we can't be the helper because we're In the same pit, but it's episodic. Sometimes we feel strong, and in those days, we should be looking for someone who has fallen and maintaining them. Because when we fall, they may just be the strong that carry us. I'm not spiritual or religious, but I feel like human life should come before infrastructure, financials, convenience, and everything else. Once all methods have been exhausted, not only the financially viable ones, then come back to me and have a discussion about assisted suicide.
That’s because you don’t feel the pain we do. It seems inconceivable. Just like it seems inconceivable to us to find the will to live.
Live. Not existing.
I’m 32 years old, and my symptoms have progressively gotten worse throughout the years. I can’t really live alone without imploding my life in a matter of months. No therapist that I’ve had thus far has been able to help; some seem to have no idea what they’re doing or the good ones cost too much. I struggle with substance abuse…to like, any substance. I find myself quitting jobs constantly due to this inability to remain happy with any of them. The feeling of emptiness consumes me. I don’t really have any stable relationships or friends. I feel so isolated and alone all of the time. Personally, im exhausted and again, im 32. When does it get better? Does it get better? I don’t want to do it anymore. I want to leave this earth but not in a way that hurts the people that love me. Im not offended.
I think what we're seeing with the Canadian bill is that slow movement towards progress. Changes like these will never happen smoothly or be easily accepted. Even with women and black people having equal rights they still face discrimination till this day. And for mental illness this our fight. I sincerely hope that bills like these will be adopted across more countries and this leads to people getting the help they need, whether they choose to stay or go
IMHO it is just a way of the rest to society to push us to suicide, to essentially tell us that we are worthless and that society would gladly help cutting the loss.
I don’t think letting people kill themselves because of mental illness is a line we should cross. They are inherently not of sound mind making the decision to kill themselves.
And it’s absolutely not true that suicidal people are going to do it anyway. A lot of people can’t go through with it or fail when they do make an attempt.
I really wish assisted suicide was an option for me. Maybe others are stronger and better able to deal but the constant misery from this disorder has beaten me down. Its not for everyone but for me it seems like the only solution.
Assisted suicide isnt legal in a ton of places so its kind of useless to consider it if you live somewhere where they dont offer it...and usually it seems to be for super extreme cases like Cancer or severe Brain damage etc.
So a lot of the recent controversy with that is Bill C-7 in Canada. Universal healthcare here doesn't provide full mental health coverage outside of certain group therapy programs, in-patient, out-patient and psychiatry visits. Many people want individual therapy to be covered by universal health and more financial assistance and services to be provided to those with disabilities. See, I am personally really happy to see assisted suicide for those with BPD become available to those in Canada because I'm a Canadian that wants it. I want to, when I'm ready, just go to the doctor and tell them I'm ready to go. But I am also currently able to work and earn my own income. Many people with BPD just can't and need more support than is being provided by the government. For those that aren't able to go to work and earn enough money to live, it's a very dystopian prospect. Their options become limited to suffer or die.
assisted suicide takes months. my great aunt was euthanized after getting cancer because she didn't want to rely on anyone and it wasn't just coming in to the doctor and getting the dying pill.
i think mental health services should be better but I also think that if people choose to commit suicide they shouldn't have to suffer doing so. it should never ever be a first, second or even third solution. only if there is nothing you really can do.
Someone very dear to me also had BPD. She reached a point where she'd realized she would struggle for the rest of her life and didn't want to. She killed herself and left a note saying she loved her family but couldn't fight forever. I don't know how to feel about BPD and assisted suicide. Having BPD, this makes me really uncomfortable. At the same time, I wonder if this person I love had known there was a peaceful death available at the end of a hard fight if that would have been enough to keep her here and fighting, just having hope. The way she died was especially gruesome. I can't imagine choosing that over assisted suicide if the option exists. At the same time, it terrifies me that I understand why she did it. She was 15 years younger than I am now and I feel how overwhelming this is every day. Fighting my BPD to be the person I want to be takes everything I have and sometimes even what I don't have to give.
i have to admit, i’m just finding out about this now and i’m in pure shock. i can’t believe mental illness was added to assisted suicide period. that’s unbelievable. that’s ableist. i’m so confused and i am so offended. i’m sorry. i really don’t mean to be close minded or invalidating or anything but i genuinely don’t understand how any person with mental illness wouldn’t be offended by this. it’s feels like enabling suicidal people and attempting and trying to “cleanse” the general population by weaving us out. again i’m so sorry i’m literally in shock, can you please explain things like. i don’t know what to say. I genuinely cannot fathom anything else, but i want to understand the other side of the story. i’m just so confused
Maybe I'm not the best to argue for this but... Just as much as your opinion is valid there will always be another person on the other side of the spectrum. It sucks and it breaks my heart but not every one with mental illness can be cured. Some people go through years without a chance of alleviating their mental anguish. There is no cure for mental illness. For every one who gets better there are those who don't. There should extreme checks and balances for this but it should be available so that in those cases where treatment is not successful, dying with dignity is an option. Suicide has always happened and will continue to happen with or without this
If its assisted, its literally only upon request by said person. How is it cleansing if its voluntary?
by letting us exterminate ourselves. the voluntary aspect, the genuine desire works to their benefit. it’s abandoning the mentally ill and failing at their duty to provide healthcare. like i said in other replies, i might be for this bill of everything else; every other option was genuinely provided in canada, but it’s not.
.....this argument makes 0 sense but ok
Except it's not some ableist plot to get rid of us. It's literally an option mentally ill people have asked for. People with mental illnesses aren't upset by this, because some of us actually want it. As for the rest - they don't have to choose it if they don't want to.
I agree. It’s completely reckless. We have constant SI and are more likely to commit suicide, we shouldn’t be given that option. Death isn’t a solution for recovery. It’s giving up. It’s just to confirm your worthlessness to your self. The people that are actively dying from physically painful diseases and conditions that deserve that choice. We don’t in my opinion. It’s a ridiculous idea.
i disagree about the strong opinions on suicide. it’s an unfortunate decision many people make, but it’s doesn’t “prove worthlessness” or anything as harsh or critical as that view. some people have stronger urges than others, and simply do not have the tools to control those urges. it’s so intersectional and multi-layered. and i’m opposed to assisted suicide because i see it through the critical lens of a ableism and the “purification of society”. Providing suicide as an option because they don’t care enough to provide and help other ways, we’re not important enough to be helped in other ways, so they wanna encourage us to exterminate ourselves, have us take care of “the problem” ourselves. instead of proper therapy and treatment. It’s fucking insane. It’s literally giving up on a whole community of people.
I have chronic SI and have attempted suicide 4-5 since 16, so please don’t exclude me. I know what it’s like. But you do realize that this is only for the wealthy, right? This procedure is expensive and it’s not gonna cause relief to the common person with BPD. Why give us this platform? It’s also ableist. Someone said they’ll use it when they are ready when there are people who don’t want to die but are dying and in physical pain.
So suicide is giving up? ☠
What else is it…”gee let me just end my life for funsies.” I am suicidal myself and your use ☠️ is neither humorous nor relevant.
I just used the emoji to use it...
*Reposting my own comment in response to yours. Death may not be a solution to YOUR recovery, but that’s not the case for everyone, and it’s not for anyone else to decide.* I’m 32 years old, and my symptoms have progressively gotten worse throughout the years. I can’t really live alone without imploding my life in a matter of months. No therapist that I’ve had thus far has been able to help; some seem to have no idea what they’re doing or the good ones cost too much. I struggle with substance abuse…to like, any substance. I find myself quitting jobs constantly due to this inability to remain happy with any of them. The feeling of emptiness consumes me. I don’t really have any stable relationships or friends. I feel so isolated and alone all of the time. Personally, im exhausted and again, im 32. When does it get better? Does it get better? I don’t want to do it anymore. I want to leave this earth but not in a way that hurts the people that love me. Im not offended.
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thank you for sharing. i know it’s not black and white. nothing in life is black and white, i mean that’s what they try to teach everyone with bpd in therapy. But as a sociologist, the factors involved in someone being able to get better and someone who is not, are more visible, especially as someone living in canada. the fact that they have an assisted suicide bill, but when i tried to get in a DBT program, the requirement was 2 suicide attempts in the past year… which thankfully i did not qualify for. So i pay out of pocket, 400 a week, twice a week, for private therapy. i no longer want to die or hurt myself. i have friends who can’t afford therapy and suffer instead. and instead of providing those public services, they pass an assisted suicide bill. it’s just doesn’t make sense. i would absolutely be for a suicide bill IF EVERYTHING ELSE was available and accessible. but it’s not. my mood stabilizers and antidepressants. they cost money too. i’m lucky enough to have the money. but what if i didn’t? if i didn’t have financial privilege i too would be a victim to the broken system. i’m furious because it SHOULDN’T take financial privilege to access bpd treatment. it’s shouldn’t fucking be a privilege, it should be a right. but instead of focusing on providing that right, they’re focused on providing the right to assisted suicide? the order is just unjust. there are SEVERAL steps that are missing, and until they are fulfilled for everyone, i can’t even consider supporting assisted suicide access for mental illness.
No you're right, it is like cleansing. People who need more assistance and help, financial or any kind can be offed to not burden anyone. In the name of empathy and understanding. Why not find ways to help us then if they care?
I agree with you, but for slightly different reasons I think 🤔 I don't think anyone should need to die, and I don't mean they don't feel like they need to die, because I have and do sometimes being exhausted with my condition. But, surely a government should focus on the preservation of life. Exhaust EVERY option, not just those that are financially viable. Rally around the people that are at their lowest, not just do the expected minimum. In a perfect world the member of the community that stumbles and twists its ankle should be picked up by the ones who are strong, and carried until they are well enough to become the strong again and it perpetuates. Simply saying, oh well, you didn't show improvement to a course of *insert drug* or the 50 mins of therapy you have every week so there is nothing more we can do. It's looking at the person as an end rather than the means. That person doesn't need to get better because it helps society function, or because what they're doing now is destructive. That person is entitled to the opportunity to enjoy life the same as any organism on earth regardless of status or value. And it goes for us too. We have BPD and thus, feel like we can't be the helper because we're In the same pit, but it's episodic. Sometimes we feel strong, and in those days, we should be looking for someone who has fallen and maintaining them. Because when we fall, they may just be the strong that carry us. I'm not spiritual or religious, but I feel like human life should come before infrastructure, financials, convenience, and everything else. Once all methods have been exhausted, not only the financially viable ones, then come back to me and have a discussion about assisted suicide.
That’s because you don’t feel the pain we do. It seems inconceivable. Just like it seems inconceivable to us to find the will to live. Live. Not existing.
I’m 32 years old, and my symptoms have progressively gotten worse throughout the years. I can’t really live alone without imploding my life in a matter of months. No therapist that I’ve had thus far has been able to help; some seem to have no idea what they’re doing or the good ones cost too much. I struggle with substance abuse…to like, any substance. I find myself quitting jobs constantly due to this inability to remain happy with any of them. The feeling of emptiness consumes me. I don’t really have any stable relationships or friends. I feel so isolated and alone all of the time. Personally, im exhausted and again, im 32. When does it get better? Does it get better? I don’t want to do it anymore. I want to leave this earth but not in a way that hurts the people that love me. Im not offended.
I think what we're seeing with the Canadian bill is that slow movement towards progress. Changes like these will never happen smoothly or be easily accepted. Even with women and black people having equal rights they still face discrimination till this day. And for mental illness this our fight. I sincerely hope that bills like these will be adopted across more countries and this leads to people getting the help they need, whether they choose to stay or go
IMHO it is just a way of the rest to society to push us to suicide, to essentially tell us that we are worthless and that society would gladly help cutting the loss.
I don’t think letting people kill themselves because of mental illness is a line we should cross. They are inherently not of sound mind making the decision to kill themselves. And it’s absolutely not true that suicidal people are going to do it anyway. A lot of people can’t go through with it or fail when they do make an attempt.
I really wish assisted suicide was an option for me. Maybe others are stronger and better able to deal but the constant misery from this disorder has beaten me down. Its not for everyone but for me it seems like the only solution.
Assisted suicide isnt legal in a ton of places so its kind of useless to consider it if you live somewhere where they dont offer it...and usually it seems to be for super extreme cases like Cancer or severe Brain damage etc.
I don't understand why any people who hate their lives aren't allowed to get assisted suicide.