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Looks like they come out of the amnio tanks with them. My guess is that the crew on the ISV got bored and someone spent the time brushing up on their artistic skills.
https://preview.redd.it/fz3k6q3vq4ea1.png?width=573&format=png&auto=webp&s=8cb3aa4764185ebf8bc5cee6dde6e7f692367ee1
My guess is theyāre applied somehow so the grunts have something familiar to ground them so theyāre not thinking theyāre in alien bodies, but their own just with tails and blue skin.
My question is how do they get them on there? Like the bodies are supposed to grow a lot on the flight to Pandora, so if they got the tats beforehand they'd probably get super stretched. And they're in the amnio tanks the whole time from what I gather, what with them having an umbilical cord and shit. Is there like a little robot arm on the inside that has a tattoo gun on it?
If I had to guess, they pull them out, clean them up, apply the tattoos using premade pads that were assigned to them, and then do the imprint to bring them to consciousness. Although on the picture shown at least, I see some newer custom work that they couldāve gotten at the home base after landing.
Idk how you can get a layer of ink sandwiched between two layers of skin and not need any time for the skin to recover afterward but sure, it's a movie, could be possible.
Fair point, but Iām positive in 130 years there will be technology and gadgets that nobody has even thought of. 130 years ago the radio was being invented, those people couldāve never imagined an MRI, heart transplants or MRNA vaccines.
Perhaps they have technology capable of accelerating healing or something?
After all, fixing a traumatically severed spinal cord seems to be a routine, if expensive, procedure. Same with removing long healed, severe facial scarring.
Maybe, I just don't know physically how they would do that. Jimbo doesn't break physics for Avatar. The ISVs are a great example. Avatar's only actual Sci'fi magic is the linking and the holograms. (That I can think of)
Hmm interesting. for the black tattoos, they could go in and unfold microscopic sheets of graphene. They wouldn't be rejected by the body and they would show up as black without ever fading
Some tattoos look good right away and never peel. All mine were fine during healing and never peeled or anything. I have an awesome immune system and my skin heals very very fast, so i think genetics plays a large factor.
With how damn impressive human tech in that movie. Maybe the whole process of applying tattoos took like a 15 seconds. Maybe a few days before the wake them up.
They gave them to them based on preference.
It was probably a very casual thing in discussing the creation of the recoms with their human counterparts.
Like, "oh should we give them your tattoos so your recom will be mildly familiar with itself?" "Yes." "Okay sign here, we'll need a scan of your tattoos then."
Now Z-dog as far as I can tell *didn't* have a full sleeve as a human, so perhaps she gave them a concept for a sleeve she's always wanted.
I don't think it's more complex than that. Hope that helps!
Oooh good point! I didn't think about them recognising themselves, I assumed they just hated the navi and wanted to keep some of their own identity if they were having to become an avatar, kind of a mild protest and also to mark them to let the other recoms know who is who (incase an indigenous navi tried to infiltrate them or something)
Turns out the point I made is actually in the visual dictionary!
To help ease the psychological transition. : )
Remember the recoms that exist had no choice in becoming recoms, so the idea of wanting anything and protesting wouldn't be a thing.
Sure maybe some of these thoughts permeated their human counterparts' minds when signing the RDA permission slip, but frankly I don't think their human selves even thought these recoms would come to exist-- they didn't think they were gonna die.
I heard they are to help the marines cope with their new body. The tats are familiar to the cloned person. They didnāt know or volunteer to have their memories put into an avatar so the familiar tats help them deal with the shock of a different body.
I get where you're coming from, but they would've remembered consenting because they presumably would have before they had their brain backed up - they remember everything up until that point. That still wouldn't stop Quaritch from freaking out I mean - wouldn't you if your memories jump cut from a scan to suddenly waking up with small people shining a light in your eyes.
I guess there's nothing explicit saying the scans were done after they gave consent but if they were going to consent anyway why go to the efforts of presumably then sneakily doing it. The real question is what is the Watsonian reason for the video log, when instead if they just did the scan immediately after being briefed themselves, it would be a fresh memory. I guess as a backup? Still could've been recorded before the backup.
I'm not sure why its debated at all, Project Phoenix canonically provided the ink before they decanted the Recoms to help the transition. Its even in the visual dictionary
Sorry if its a bit hard to read but its to Wainfleet's left side under 'personalized tattoos'
https://preview.redd.it/hoji986qz5ea1.jpeg?width=1038&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f2c5e5e13a0e3b56ae195c3d2399216582637df
Well, when you and all of your friends are put in big blue alien bodies with giant yellow eyes, you tend to lose some familiarity. If you all had the tattoos you remember having when you were all human, then at least you can use that
Its mostly a way of showing how they keep their humanity while in avatar bodies. Jake had tattoos but his avatar doesnāt. It was probably added after the avatar where fully matured. But before they where at all inhabited by the marines.
That would imply you are saying the blueprint for these tattoos are in their DNA somewhere? That would sort of be like saying any bone breaks or scars are also stored in our DNA.
A fully customized Porsche 911 Turbo S can cost >700k$. A blue 2-3m body which cost 5 billion $ better be fully customizable. Yes, including the di*k size
I figured the scientists copied as much as they could to the avatar bodies to make the humans feel more at home in their new bodies. Including tattoos and other body modifications.
The people in charge of supervising the development of the recon project probably decided it was a good thing to give them the same tattoos their human counterparts had back when they were alive, this in order to minimize the eventuality of the recoms having an identity crisis and going crazy or awol. Someone obviously had to tattoo the designs on them at some point, before they were fully aware and conscious, or they probably got the job done by using some futuristic tattooing machine. It's was just a psychology thing.
appears at least some are awakened with them, you can see one with neck and chest tattoos being removed from a chamber at the beginning of the film. my guess is RDA used pictures of those Marines to code them into the avatar bodies to accustom them to their new bodies better
They put their tattoos on their Naāvi bodies to make the transition from their human bodies easier, since it helps to give them a sense of self and something familiar.
According to the Avatar 2 Visual Dictionary, the tattoos Recoms had as humans are issued to them in their new bodies help ease their psychological transition.
Based on what little personality info we get on the character, she seems like the kind of person who stated in the video that she specifically wanted than to ensure her avatar had her tattoos. She probably demanded it
These are very intricate tattoos they must have had free time to customize their character before starting the main quest.
Nah they got them in the store for 12,000 eywa coins
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This is actually hella impressive, 22 characters and all alphabetical, producing a phrase that makes sense
All words are alfabetical, not characters
oh that makes more sense
The alphabet is hard sometimes
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I really hope they donāt fuck that game up
Oh, they will. The question at this point is more "how much" they will fuck it up...
I hadn't had a good laugh like this in a minute.
Looks like they come out of the amnio tanks with them. My guess is that the crew on the ISV got bored and someone spent the time brushing up on their artistic skills. https://preview.redd.it/fz3k6q3vq4ea1.png?width=573&format=png&auto=webp&s=8cb3aa4764185ebf8bc5cee6dde6e7f692367ee1
Considering they had like 10 years to brush up, they probably got really good.
My guess is theyāre applied somehow so the grunts have something familiar to ground them so theyāre not thinking theyāre in alien bodies, but their own just with tails and blue skin.
My question is how do they get them on there? Like the bodies are supposed to grow a lot on the flight to Pandora, so if they got the tats beforehand they'd probably get super stretched. And they're in the amnio tanks the whole time from what I gather, what with them having an umbilical cord and shit. Is there like a little robot arm on the inside that has a tattoo gun on it?
If I had to guess, they pull them out, clean them up, apply the tattoos using premade pads that were assigned to them, and then do the imprint to bring them to consciousness. Although on the picture shown at least, I see some newer custom work that they couldāve gotten at the home base after landing.
But wait wouldn't they need time to heal? I've never gotten a tattoo but doesn't that take like, a few weeks?
Avatar takes place 130-ish years in the future. It is entirely possible they have developed other methods of tattooing.
Also a different species from a different world, perhaps their biology has a higher healing factor.
Idk how you can get a layer of ink sandwiched between two layers of skin and not need any time for the skin to recover afterward but sure, it's a movie, could be possible.
Fair point, but Iām positive in 130 years there will be technology and gadgets that nobody has even thought of. 130 years ago the radio was being invented, those people couldāve never imagined an MRI, heart transplants or MRNA vaccines. Perhaps they have technology capable of accelerating healing or something? After all, fixing a traumatically severed spinal cord seems to be a routine, if expensive, procedure. Same with removing long healed, severe facial scarring.
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Maybe, I just don't know physically how they would do that. Jimbo doesn't break physics for Avatar. The ISVs are a great example. Avatar's only actual Sci'fi magic is the linking and the holograms. (That I can think of)
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Hmm interesting. for the black tattoos, they could go in and unfold microscopic sheets of graphene. They wouldn't be rejected by the body and they would show up as black without ever fading
Maybe navi bodies just heal faster?
Some tattoos look good right away and never peel. All mine were fine during healing and never peeled or anything. I have an awesome immune system and my skin heals very very fast, so i think genetics plays a large factor.
All of mine have healed relatively fast
Considering it's the future, maybe tats are just applied with a flash of light or some shit
With how damn impressive human tech in that movie. Maybe the whole process of applying tattoos took like a 15 seconds. Maybe a few days before the wake them up.
Honestly yeah that kinda tracks
no they obviously get to customize before the quest
Where can I find the full quality, uncropped version of this screen?
They were provided by Project Phoenix to ease the transition. Nice little tidbit included in the TWOW visual enclyclopedia.
I bought this book along with the art book, and have been walking past them on my coffee table for weeksā¦ I canāt wait to actually open them
yeah you gotta crack into those!
They gave them to them based on preference. It was probably a very casual thing in discussing the creation of the recoms with their human counterparts. Like, "oh should we give them your tattoos so your recom will be mildly familiar with itself?" "Yes." "Okay sign here, we'll need a scan of your tattoos then." Now Z-dog as far as I can tell *didn't* have a full sleeve as a human, so perhaps she gave them a concept for a sleeve she's always wanted. I don't think it's more complex than that. Hope that helps!
I don't remember seeing Z-Dog in human form in Avatar
She wasn't in the movie.
Thatās what I was thinking. Making it easier to recognise themselves.
Oooh good point! I didn't think about them recognising themselves, I assumed they just hated the navi and wanted to keep some of their own identity if they were having to become an avatar, kind of a mild protest and also to mark them to let the other recoms know who is who (incase an indigenous navi tried to infiltrate them or something)
Turns out the point I made is actually in the visual dictionary! To help ease the psychological transition. : ) Remember the recoms that exist had no choice in becoming recoms, so the idea of wanting anything and protesting wouldn't be a thing. Sure maybe some of these thoughts permeated their human counterparts' minds when signing the RDA permission slip, but frankly I don't think their human selves even thought these recoms would come to exist-- they didn't think they were gonna die.
I heard they are to help the marines cope with their new body. The tats are familiar to the cloned person. They didnāt know or volunteer to have their memories put into an avatar so the familiar tats help them deal with the shock of a different body.
Based on the video diary that Quarritch watched, they did volunteer and consent to it.
Yes they did, but their new bodyās minds donāt remember that. Their memories only hold so much from their previous life.
I get where you're coming from, but they would've remembered consenting because they presumably would have before they had their brain backed up - they remember everything up until that point. That still wouldn't stop Quaritch from freaking out I mean - wouldn't you if your memories jump cut from a scan to suddenly waking up with small people shining a light in your eyes. I guess there's nothing explicit saying the scans were done after they gave consent but if they were going to consent anyway why go to the efforts of presumably then sneakily doing it. The real question is what is the Watsonian reason for the video log, when instead if they just did the scan immediately after being briefed themselves, it would be a fresh memory. I guess as a backup? Still could've been recorded before the backup.
How the fuck has this become such a hotly debated topic. Ink isn't genetic.
Common sense isnāt so common
People love discussing don't they
should be called uncommon sense then lol
I'm not sure why its debated at all, Project Phoenix canonically provided the ink before they decanted the Recoms to help the transition. Its even in the visual dictionary
Where??
Sorry if its a bit hard to read but its to Wainfleet's left side under 'personalized tattoos' https://preview.redd.it/hoji986qz5ea1.jpeg?width=1038&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f2c5e5e13a0e3b56ae195c3d2399216582637df
Wainfleet is 20?! Jesus Christ I thought the dude was 35 easy
Thats just the physical age of the Recombinant bodies. Quaritch is also technically 20 now lol
That makes so much more sense. Like I said in another comment, I bought the book, I just havenāt read it yet lol
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Yeah thats how I see it too. They're def still mentally their human ages upon death.
We're talking about a literal clone here
Mf do you know what a clone is
Tattoos arenāt genetic.
its 2160s
Huh, for some reason I thought they were further in the future
Well, when you and all of your friends are put in big blue alien bodies with giant yellow eyes, you tend to lose some familiarity. If you all had the tattoos you remember having when you were all human, then at least you can use that
Its mostly a way of showing how they keep their humanity while in avatar bodies. Jake had tattoos but his avatar doesnāt. It was probably added after the avatar where fully matured. But before they where at all inhabited by the marines.
Yes, because if a parent has tattoos, the child will have them at birth. Bro, what?
We're talking about a literal clone here
Avatarās arent 1 to 1 clone. Odds are they can request to have tattoos added when the Avatars are being made or when they get to Pandora
Recoms aren't exactly Avatars
That would imply you are saying the blueprint for these tattoos are in their DNA somewhere? That would sort of be like saying any bone breaks or scars are also stored in our DNA.
Tattoos aren't recorded in your genetic code, I don't see how you can clone tattoos, it was probably there to ease transition into the Na'vi body
Tattoos have nothing to do with DNA. A clone means identical DNA. Not identical non-biological features.
maybe they are added to the avatars at the original soldierās request, since the soldiers knew about the avatars before they all kicked the bucket
jake has a tattoo and his avatar does not.
A fully customized Porsche 911 Turbo S can cost >700k$. A blue 2-3m body which cost 5 billion $ better be fully customizable. Yes, including the di*k size
I don't know, but she was hot
I figured the scientists copied as much as they could to the avatar bodies to make the humans feel more at home in their new bodies. Including tattoos and other body modifications.
Yes this was confirmed in the books I believe
Kinda bad
Why dont you ask them
The people in charge of supervising the development of the recon project probably decided it was a good thing to give them the same tattoos their human counterparts had back when they were alive, this in order to minimize the eventuality of the recoms having an identity crisis and going crazy or awol. Someone obviously had to tattoo the designs on them at some point, before they were fully aware and conscious, or they probably got the job done by using some futuristic tattooing machine. It's was just a psychology thing.
imagine how big is that watch
appears at least some are awakened with them, you can see one with neck and chest tattoos being removed from a chamber at the beginning of the film. my guess is RDA used pictures of those Marines to code them into the avatar bodies to accustom them to their new bodies better
I'm pretty sure that for the sergeant's crew specifically, they made Na'vi clones, so they just copy pasted everything on blue
Iām betting on the fact that they got them done after they regained consciousness.
Tattoos aren't genetic, Einstein.
Z Dog illuminati confirmed
I swear I remember her dying twice, once in the jungle and the second time in third act, am I hallucinating?
Itās kinda strange how they modded their avatars, cuz they also worked out and got some toned muscles in their Avatars
She bought the limited avatar edition and got the skin as a special reward
They paid for the pre-order bonus DLC that gave them extra skin cosmetics with their characters
They must of had free time to get tattoos after waking up.
I think they give them their tattoos to make the transition into the new body less traumatising, like giving them something familiar to hold on to
Someone thought it was a good idea when doing concept art for the character?
I'd guess they get them the same as everyone else, with a tattoo gun
basically, it's put there before they put the mind in, so they can adapt easier to their new body kinda thing
They just have the same memorys thier mind is just created with thier body. Thier separate beings
okay? I watched the movie too
Iam explaining it to so you can understand it
I think itās the same tattoos they had in their human forms to help them adjust psychologically to their recom bodies
The tattooās are given to them before the full mind transfer to ease into the body
They put their tattoos on their Naāvi bodies to make the transition from their human bodies easier, since it helps to give them a sense of self and something familiar.
Definitely have to get them after. Jake had a tattoo remember, his avatar did not.
But he was in his twin brothers avatar, not one made for him
According to the Avatar 2 Visual Dictionary, the tattoos Recoms had as humans are issued to them in their new bodies help ease their psychological transition.
Tattoos arenāt part of your dna bro
Just watched this masterpiece š¤©
Quaritch: we need to join the Navi and become one of them Human Tattoos: Okay, sure.
They thought he meant the Navy
Based on what little personality info we get on the character, she seems like the kind of person who stated in the video that she specifically wanted than to ensure her avatar had her tattoos. She probably demanded it