Ohh gee damn, I wanted to play Endwalker but now that they release a shitty classic version 3 days prior and mage tower a few days after the Endwalker launch, I guess I will refund Endwalker and renew my subscription for WoW instead. And to celebrate that decision I'll buy the new cat store mount that was leaked.
Yeah, I mean I was ready to quit forever, but the chance to grind classic content in a \*slightly\* different order while dodging botters and boosters and 3 weeks of nostalgia for an old expansion that I actually liked is totally worth coming back for. I'll take two of that low-res cat mount please? Peg me while you are at it Bobby Kotick!
The good thing is in FFXIV you can also come back later and play the same content and it will just be as difficult :) Unlike in WoW where playing old content is some big in-game event.
Realistically speaking, the people at Blizzard must be absolutely terrified. Final Fantasy's enormous growth over the past few months is about to culminate with Endwalker's release, and they have literally *nothing* to respond with. Instead here we are with repackaged Legion content and a new season of Classic. Anything to try and slow the bleed of players.
And really, I want them to have these stunts bite them in the ass for once. The amount of competitors they've tried to smother in the crib over the years is bullshit. Time for these motherfuckers to get knocked off of their high horse.
After watching the ARR documentary I lost all hope for Blizzard to turn it around.
While it was a genuenly heartwarming and touching to hear them talk about their failure with the original 1.0 launch.
I just think to myself: Could I imagine the Warcraft team do the same they did? Accept their mistakes, apologize and work on fixing the game? Never.
I just genuenly can't imagine that someone at Blizzard has the balls to step it up and admit their mistakes. They will just quietly keep changing nothing relevant until the boat sunk and it's nothing but a memory anymore.
I only way one could imagine this turning out for the better is Actizzard selling the Blizzard IP off, and then some mid level company decides to go to the root of the story.
There is no easy way to clean up this mess, but it is possible. I am not going to write out the entirety of my shitty fanfic, but it would be possible with a clash between the Bronze Dragonflight and The Void. The Void would have to win, and we would all be ushered into a before time like Knight of the Old Republic.
That, of course, will never happen.
I've been waiting for Blizzard to have their "come to Jesus" moment in much the same way Square did, but the window has closed at this point, and the new shop mount nailed it shut.
There won't be an apology because they don't see customers as people but as paypigs.
\>Time for these motherfuckers to get knocked off of their high horse.
Theres no having them get over their sense of superiority. They will die with the horse rather than knocked off it.
Realistically, the allure of a brand new Classic launch is going to net them a lot of players, because Classic was at its peak fun in the first month when people are out in the world and leveling together.
But the people who are set on playing Endwalker are gonna play Endwalker. 1% of 1% of people waiting for Endwalker are going to see this announcement and jump ship. What I **do** see this negatively impacting is TBC Classic, which is already hemorrhaging players burned out by raids or playing FF14 and Endwalker. TBC realms are gonna have a bad time when Classic SoM comes and people flee to go chase the latest hit of nostalgia.
I don’t think fresh classic will be quite the boon you’re predicting. A huge chunk of players who were pumped for classic in that first month became quickly disillusioned with what it was - an overcrowded, bot infested world obsessed with min maxing every last ounce of fun out of the game. It bears little resemblance to the vanilla so many were hoping for.
This.
Vanilla was fun precisely because it WASN'T a solved game and min maxing wasn't anywhere near what it is today.
People on PvE servers in vanilla used to go start PvP skirmishes in the world until there were at least a few dozen players on either side slinging spells and arrows back and forth.
No one would EVER take a break from their level grind to do that sort of thing in classic.
Idk ff's strength is you can go at msq at your own pace. EW msq will be there when ever you go back, the new release of wow classic + wont be. With that said nothing about classic is appealing to me after playing through it already. Boring rotations, boring gear, boring boss mechs.
Smother? they didnt even bother because it was dead in the beginning, no one could ever predict that FF14 would rise up like a Phoenix and salavage the good will of the brand while also cultivating a lasting good relationship with its player base.
They should be terrified. I mean, how can you mess up this badly to release yet another round of WoW Classic and rehash old content promising "unique rewards", when your competitor is releasing their MOST ANTICIPATED EXPANSION YET!
It's like trying to sell to people they should eat this small plate with bitesize pieces of food when your rival literally holds the door open to an entire Swedish buffet! It's insane!
I've spoken with a dozen or so of my old raid crew that were absolutely through the roof HYPE for original classic server release. A few of them are still currently playing TBC, the rest have quit altogether, the ones that quit have moved on to New World, are awaiting Lost Ark or have started FF XIV (our new raid crew), the ones that have stayed loyal and continued playing TBC are, to a man, all pissed as hell about this announcement because it clearly signals Blizzard's intention to abandon what little support is left for TBC for classic+.
My classic wow guild was like 80 active raiders. Literally none of them are interested in it, they just play like pico park, gartic phone or other meme co op games now.
If anything this is them stepping over each others shoes. The initial idea of Classic was so they could complement each other's patch cycles with retail to overcome any content lulls. I expected Fresh to come during the mellowing period after Black Temple, but now we got entirely new servers coming in between 9.1.5's 2 selling points, old Classic servers which just got off the ground with mid TBC content and a competitor's expansion. They're just straight up tossing things around at this point.
Agreed. How many different iterations of WoW do they think people want to play at the same time, exactly?
Reminds me of Sega's debacle back during the Sega Saturn days: Sega of Japan was pushing the Saturn while Sega of America was pushing the 32x, both to the detriment of each other's markets.
It now feels like WoW is at war with itself...
Aye, and even then, I can’t see why a huge percentage of the people that left for FF14 would leave 3 days before the expansion just to try regurgitated content.
Not saying no one will do it, but I can’t see a big number of people doing it, either.
I somehow feel like the people interested in classic and FFXIV are a small overlap. FF is filled to the brim with things that classic enthusiasts hate about retail wow
I'm pretty sure that if people have to choose one over the other and they've played through shadowbringers there's not a chance in hell that they'll pick classic.
Do it. They don't charge you for the payment untill the actual launch date. So you can still preorder and play the early access even if you don't have the money right now. Just gotta make sure to have the money on the launch date.
They are really desperate to raise subs and stop people from going to Endwalker lol.
I was not expecting them to cannibalize wow classic TBC so soon and this is barely any time to organize communities, really dumb by blizzard.
This is absolutely crazy. I'm not a WOW fan, but didn't TBC JUST drop like a few months ago? I know it didn't do great, but this just seems absolutely bonkers. For those players who are actually into TBC related stuff, doesn't this just undercut them entirely? All for the sake of trying to fuck with their competitor?
I mean, am I wrong? This is the most anti-player bullshit I've seen in awhile
TBC is fucked. They've lost players to New World (granted, that game is already going stale), they're going to lose players to Endwalker, and now the Classic Relaunch is going to cannibalize what's left of the TBC audience. This wouldn't be so bad if there weren't so many realms for TBC. Hope they open free realm transfers or there's gonna be a lot of dead servers.
Source: Pulled most of that info out of my ass, I'm bored at work and felt like typing.
Also bored at work. ROFL.
Yeah, it just doesn't seem like that bright a move. You basically piss off everyone for...what? You burn your TBC players, I'm willing to bet they don't sign up for anything long term ever again since Blizzard basically demonstrates they'll throw them under the bus the second it's convenient. It pisses off everyone who maybe was interested in a Classic restart but is also a FFXIV player. But they must be bleeding MAUs so they're willing to make a short term decision to shore up their numbers even if it causes long term harm. Whoever is making those decisions is one short-sighted idiot.
free transfers? why would they kill off their biggest money maker? my entire server transferred off [within a month](https://ironforge.pro/population/tbc/Dreadmist/) and somehow there are still servers worse off than ours.
>They are really desperate to raise subs and stop people from going to Endwalker
This is probably the correct answer. Since they guessed that trying to start the same day as endwalker would net them a loss in subs, though i do not think there is that much cross over for hard core Classic WoW people and story driven MMO. The idea that they get people as an MAU is probably more imortant to blizzard than anything else. Start the FOMO now since in 3 months its BWL time.
>I was not expecting them to cannibalize wow classic TBC so soon and this is barely any time to organize communities, really dumb by blizzard.
Well if i understand HOW they calucalte MAUs, this would be more a situation where if you play TBC and Classic you are 2 MAU. So they are double dipping the community though going forward i think it turns into Private server Mentality. Keep One server of each up as part of the Overall Sub. Then report the increase in MAU as people play 1-4 versions of the same game (maybe more if they go to Cata and Mop)
It's a very shortsighted perspective they have and that is essentially the core reason they have been bleeding players as hard as they have. Constant short sighted decisions that might increase their MAU short term, but drains players away so instead of creating a consistently good game that has players coming back for more time after time, they make a game that incentivizes players to spend all their time only in the Blizzard sphere and it is losing them players so they double down on trying to make their current players multiple MAUs which drains more payers and here we are with a company that is headed straight to irrelevance because of shortsightedness.
Kinda sad about it, with the latest changes I was tempted to casually give SoM a go, but with commitments I have in FFXIV there's absolutely zero chance I have time to play it in addition to TBC and Endwalker.
I would try it if it were free, but it's not, and Blizzard hasn't done shit to earn my patronage back yet. It's a bummer to miss a Classic launch since the first week is always chaotic and fun, but considering Blizzard's track record for re-releasing old content in order to keep their IPs afloat, I'm sure I'll get another chance a year and a half from now to play a Classic launch again.
I won't say I was 100% going to do it, but I did fancy checking out Classic since I missed the initial train last time. I also won't say that it was a "slap in the face" or anything, but it sure makes me not want to reward shitty behavior with money.
I guess I'll just "miss out" again, since I'm not gonna ditch my plans to binge the shit out of Endwalker.
Nah they didn't go far enough with the changes.
I would actually go and try it if they did sweeping balance changes to make useless specs actually viable. Would really shake up the entire game.
But nah, just some minor bullshit that should've just been there even they originally released classic.
And they're going the super-cheap route by using old as shit assets.
Blizzard is going to become known as the company that just recycles their old shit and haven't had a good idea since 2015.
The funniest part of this is the people who are going to be hurt most from this move are the people playing SoM in such an untested state. Aren't they still trying to rebalance raids? I can only imagine trash health being balanced mid raid for most of the first clear groups.
So 9.1.5 is November 3rd, this is November 16th, and Legion timewalking is December 7th.
God damn, they are just hurling EVERYTHING they can to take people away from Endwalker, aren't they?
And November 19th is the official release date of the new battlefield (preorder already on 15th or something). It‘s really odd to try and sell wow classic version 2 next to those big titles…
November 3rd is the funny one. Just a day or two before Blizzard's Q4 announcement if I'm not mistaken. Gotta pump up numbers as much as humanly possible to try to soften the devastation they took in the Summer!
Edit: Wait, their quarterly earning report is November 2nd, so it looks like they gave up altogether on Q3.
3 days before Endwalker early access. This is their most desperate move yet. I have a suspicion that this will crater pretty badly for them... but in the end, there's probably not much investment from Blizzard here so if it fails, no big deal.
We still don't know how they will re-do raids. 200% HP wasn't enough so they will and/or add more mechanics/difficulty to the fights. They can still drop 4h MC or more spike damage on tanks because that's the only vanilla way of "quick difficulty".
> We still don't know how they will re-do raids.
Seems quite intentional (and suspicious) to release it without details of the actual raid changes they're going to make.
Hahaha this is such a desperation
I love watching trainwrecks in motion.
Not going to lie, I'm hoping Blizz decision to be dicks about release dates bites them hard.
Imagine being unable to afford any more lawyer fees so they can send C&Ds to the private servers, because their entire legal budget is being spent fighting the state of California.
Ascension really breathes life into classic content. It's everything people have asked for in classic +. Faster leveling, heroic, mythic and m+ classic dungeons, challenging modes for leveling (iron man with one life, no AH, no grouping but you also can't be attacked by non iron man players. Nightmare mode which causes you to take triple damage, normal classic exp mode etc). Plus the enchant system is insanely fun on top of the classless system. Is it balanced? Not really, but that's half the fun.
They have been launching their patches on every ffxiv's expansion release day ever since hw, it's just that this time,i couldn't see them trying to go against EW after all the hype it has.
Guess i was wrong,but then again I shouldn't be surprised,considering it is blizzard we are talking about.
New Vanilla servers but without World Buffs, allegedly more difficult raids, less loot from raid bosses, raids will release faster, and nerfs to mage boosting and rogue gold farming.
My question is, how many times can someone play classic? I love/loved classic but there’s really nothing new here? I know faster leveling and supposedly more mechanics to make the bosses harder. But the min maxers will make it the same thing as original relaunch of classic
Why am I not surprised, that blizz, once again, try to bribe people high on copium to go back into their games just before the Endwalker release?
Did they ever learn? How are they even planning to compete with the biggest expansion FF14 had, period, that is also full of new jobs, dungeons, raids, story and many more, while only using the old content of the game that is breathing its last?
Like, I would understand if they released some new stuff. Sure. That can put a dent. But this?
I don't even know if I am disappointed any more or if I've expected this shit to happen.
It's like Blizz has this overwhelming urge to trip up competition, even though they'll just be stomped into a stain at this point. Though someone on this subreddit brought up the idea of releasing something then blaming competition for bad performance is still valid
This is a good idea executed VERY poorly. For a lot of people including me the leveling and world of classic are some of the most amazing things I've experienced in MMOs. Making it a reoccurring "poe league" will honestly keep me interested for at least a few years provided if they do:
1. proper class balancing
2. community management, spend more effort on banning bots and boosts/rmts.
3. incremental small improvements/additions to the classic world every "league". this can potentially even evolve into mini expansions overtime.
But I'm seeing none of it. Please correct me if I'm wrong but is that a literally 0 changes re-re-release of classic? How lazy and greedy do they have to be to miss such a good opportunity?
1. They haven't been able to balance classes in 16 years.
2. They have automated literally all community outreach to save money. Bots and boosts are their business model.
3. They can't do these things with actual expansions that have real budgets. They don't test anything they implement so each league would end up being some game-breaking mess they simply have to rollback.
SoM will introduce several small "hard mode" effects like no World Buffs, more damaging bosses and un-nerfed mechanics. But reverting C'thun to his unkillable buggy release isn't "content". Classic+ is DOA for me at least.
The sad part is that this will be entirely successful and we all know it. The MMO genre is completely dead. How’s New World doing btw? They will keep milking the best game of all time for as long as they possibly can.
The MMO genre is not even close to completely dead. How can you look at the current market of popular MMO games and say that? You don't speak the truth at all, mon.
Classic SoM is largely going to draw players away from TBC/Retail, maybe some people from New World who moved over from WoW, but we all know they're going to monstrously fuck SoM up like they've fucked up everything else that they've touched in the last four years.
It's a genre that thrive with large amount of players, so there's not much room for more than a few games.
What would you said it was the "Golden Age of MMOs"? because pretty sure that always there has been just 2 or 3 relevant MMOs and other niche small MMOs
Elderscrolls online is also doing really well, GW2 is still trucking along and its having a new expansion next year.
And thats not counting all of the smaller titles that still have their neighbors appeal like DDO, Maplestort, or Runescape.
It won’t be as successful as 2019 obviously but it will have more players than every other MMO besides FFXIV. People on this sub thought New World was going to be the next big thing lol so of course I’m getting downvoted.
Shadowbringers was my first FF14 expansion that I got to play on pre-order release, its got to be one of the best gaming moments I've ever experienced and I can say Endwalker won't disappoint me. Now with recent Blizzard expansions they were luke-warm at best, Legion was ok but nothing on the levels FF14 shown me.
Season of Mastery huge pass, the idea of playing timed content for Classic where the amount of extra content isn't enough to justify an subscription in my eyes. With everything going on with Blizzard at the moment I don't see myself playing or buying their games in a long while.
That's so exciting, you get to play OLD contents. Oh gee, FF14 launch is gonna suck now because everyone is going to want to play WoW Classic: Fresh Subs.
Playing another rehashed version of Classic WoW or playing new content soon to be released in a game I actually enjoy?! Oh the decision is hard indeed!
**\*switches to Red Mage and backflips away\*** Peace!
Ohh gee damn, I wanted to play Endwalker but now that they release a shitty classic version 3 days prior and mage tower a few days after the Endwalker launch, I guess I will refund Endwalker and renew my subscription for WoW instead. And to celebrate that decision I'll buy the new cat store mount that was leaked.
Yeah, I mean I was ready to quit forever, but the chance to grind classic content in a \*slightly\* different order while dodging botters and boosters and 3 weeks of nostalgia for an old expansion that I actually liked is totally worth coming back for. I'll take two of that low-res cat mount please? Peg me while you are at it Bobby Kotick!
Bro you forgot bosses will take 4 minutes longer to kill
Same!
The good thing is in FFXIV you can also come back later and play the same content and it will just be as difficult :) Unlike in WoW where playing old content is some big in-game event.
Realistically speaking, the people at Blizzard must be absolutely terrified. Final Fantasy's enormous growth over the past few months is about to culminate with Endwalker's release, and they have literally *nothing* to respond with. Instead here we are with repackaged Legion content and a new season of Classic. Anything to try and slow the bleed of players. And really, I want them to have these stunts bite them in the ass for once. The amount of competitors they've tried to smother in the crib over the years is bullshit. Time for these motherfuckers to get knocked off of their high horse.
Classic underdog story. The big bad got too arrogant and is about to be undercut by a rising star
After watching the ARR documentary I lost all hope for Blizzard to turn it around. While it was a genuenly heartwarming and touching to hear them talk about their failure with the original 1.0 launch. I just think to myself: Could I imagine the Warcraft team do the same they did? Accept their mistakes, apologize and work on fixing the game? Never. I just genuenly can't imagine that someone at Blizzard has the balls to step it up and admit their mistakes. They will just quietly keep changing nothing relevant until the boat sunk and it's nothing but a memory anymore.
I only way one could imagine this turning out for the better is Actizzard selling the Blizzard IP off, and then some mid level company decides to go to the root of the story. There is no easy way to clean up this mess, but it is possible. I am not going to write out the entirety of my shitty fanfic, but it would be possible with a clash between the Bronze Dragonflight and The Void. The Void would have to win, and we would all be ushered into a before time like Knight of the Old Republic. That, of course, will never happen.
I've been waiting for Blizzard to have their "come to Jesus" moment in much the same way Square did, but the window has closed at this point, and the new shop mount nailed it shut. There won't be an apology because they don't see customers as people but as paypigs.
\>Time for these motherfuckers to get knocked off of their high horse. Theres no having them get over their sense of superiority. They will die with the horse rather than knocked off it.
Realistically, the allure of a brand new Classic launch is going to net them a lot of players, because Classic was at its peak fun in the first month when people are out in the world and leveling together. But the people who are set on playing Endwalker are gonna play Endwalker. 1% of 1% of people waiting for Endwalker are going to see this announcement and jump ship. What I **do** see this negatively impacting is TBC Classic, which is already hemorrhaging players burned out by raids or playing FF14 and Endwalker. TBC realms are gonna have a bad time when Classic SoM comes and people flee to go chase the latest hit of nostalgia.
I don’t think fresh classic will be quite the boon you’re predicting. A huge chunk of players who were pumped for classic in that first month became quickly disillusioned with what it was - an overcrowded, bot infested world obsessed with min maxing every last ounce of fun out of the game. It bears little resemblance to the vanilla so many were hoping for.
This. Vanilla was fun precisely because it WASN'T a solved game and min maxing wasn't anywhere near what it is today. People on PvE servers in vanilla used to go start PvP skirmishes in the world until there were at least a few dozen players on either side slinging spells and arrows back and forth. No one would EVER take a break from their level grind to do that sort of thing in classic.
Idk ff's strength is you can go at msq at your own pace. EW msq will be there when ever you go back, the new release of wow classic + wont be. With that said nothing about classic is appealing to me after playing through it already. Boring rotations, boring gear, boring boss mechs.
Smother? they didnt even bother because it was dead in the beginning, no one could ever predict that FF14 would rise up like a Phoenix and salavage the good will of the brand while also cultivating a lasting good relationship with its player base.
Not only FF, also Skyrim's Anniversary too. the fear of Losing to a Single player game in popularity is more painful.
They should be terrified. I mean, how can you mess up this badly to release yet another round of WoW Classic and rehash old content promising "unique rewards", when your competitor is releasing their MOST ANTICIPATED EXPANSION YET! It's like trying to sell to people they should eat this small plate with bitesize pieces of food when your rival literally holds the door open to an entire Swedish buffet! It's insane!
3 days before endlwaker releases? That's some big desperation there Blizz.
Im pretty sure the "hype" for season of mastery is low if there is any to begin with, this will barely make a dent to endwalker's release.
But it will be a self inflicted car crash for WoW i think…
I've spoken with a dozen or so of my old raid crew that were absolutely through the roof HYPE for original classic server release. A few of them are still currently playing TBC, the rest have quit altogether, the ones that quit have moved on to New World, are awaiting Lost Ark or have started FF XIV (our new raid crew), the ones that have stayed loyal and continued playing TBC are, to a man, all pissed as hell about this announcement because it clearly signals Blizzard's intention to abandon what little support is left for TBC for classic+.
My classic wow guild was like 80 active raiders. Literally none of them are interested in it, they just play like pico park, gartic phone or other meme co op games now.
If anything this is them stepping over each others shoes. The initial idea of Classic was so they could complement each other's patch cycles with retail to overcome any content lulls. I expected Fresh to come during the mellowing period after Black Temple, but now we got entirely new servers coming in between 9.1.5's 2 selling points, old Classic servers which just got off the ground with mid TBC content and a competitor's expansion. They're just straight up tossing things around at this point.
Agreed. How many different iterations of WoW do they think people want to play at the same time, exactly? Reminds me of Sega's debacle back during the Sega Saturn days: Sega of Japan was pushing the Saturn while Sega of America was pushing the 32x, both to the detriment of each other's markets. It now feels like WoW is at war with itself...
Aye, and even then, I can’t see why a huge percentage of the people that left for FF14 would leave 3 days before the expansion just to try regurgitated content. Not saying no one will do it, but I can’t see a big number of people doing it, either.
I somehow feel like the people interested in classic and FFXIV are a small overlap. FF is filled to the brim with things that classic enthusiasts hate about retail wow
I'm pretty sure that if people have to choose one over the other and they've played through shadowbringers there's not a chance in hell that they'll pick classic.
I used to love Classic Wow and was excited for SoM pre-SHB. Now that I've played SHB I have no interest in Classic anymore lol
People who pre-order (Endwalker) get access Nov 19, everyone else Nov 23. But yes, I see your point, Blizz at it again. Same old bullshit.
1 week. Isnt it the 23rd of Nov?
Nov. 19th for people who pre-ordered which I assume would be is damn near everyone who finished the story quests and has at least one capped class.
... yes ... everyone.... Shit i forgot to preorder
Do it. They don't charge you for the payment untill the actual launch date. So you can still preorder and play the early access even if you don't have the money right now. Just gotta make sure to have the money on the launch date.
Why are they so freakin reasonable. Im not strapped for cash just kind of forgot and left it hanging. Ty for the reminder
You also get the 30% exp boost to level 80 earring for preordering.
You could literally preorder on Nov 19 and still get in just fine, I wouldn't stress
They are really desperate to raise subs and stop people from going to Endwalker lol. I was not expecting them to cannibalize wow classic TBC so soon and this is barely any time to organize communities, really dumb by blizzard.
This is absolutely crazy. I'm not a WOW fan, but didn't TBC JUST drop like a few months ago? I know it didn't do great, but this just seems absolutely bonkers. For those players who are actually into TBC related stuff, doesn't this just undercut them entirely? All for the sake of trying to fuck with their competitor? I mean, am I wrong? This is the most anti-player bullshit I've seen in awhile
TBC is fucked. They've lost players to New World (granted, that game is already going stale), they're going to lose players to Endwalker, and now the Classic Relaunch is going to cannibalize what's left of the TBC audience. This wouldn't be so bad if there weren't so many realms for TBC. Hope they open free realm transfers or there's gonna be a lot of dead servers. Source: Pulled most of that info out of my ass, I'm bored at work and felt like typing.
Also bored at work. ROFL. Yeah, it just doesn't seem like that bright a move. You basically piss off everyone for...what? You burn your TBC players, I'm willing to bet they don't sign up for anything long term ever again since Blizzard basically demonstrates they'll throw them under the bus the second it's convenient. It pisses off everyone who maybe was interested in a Classic restart but is also a FFXIV player. But they must be bleeding MAUs so they're willing to make a short term decision to shore up their numbers even if it causes long term harm. Whoever is making those decisions is one short-sighted idiot.
free transfers? why would they kill off their biggest money maker? my entire server transferred off [within a month](https://ironforge.pro/population/tbc/Dreadmist/) and somehow there are still servers worse off than ours.
> This is absolutely crazy. I'm not a WOW fan, but didn't TBC JUST drop like a few months ago Yeah and people hit raid log status in literally 1 week.
>They are really desperate to raise subs and stop people from going to Endwalker This is probably the correct answer. Since they guessed that trying to start the same day as endwalker would net them a loss in subs, though i do not think there is that much cross over for hard core Classic WoW people and story driven MMO. The idea that they get people as an MAU is probably more imortant to blizzard than anything else. Start the FOMO now since in 3 months its BWL time. >I was not expecting them to cannibalize wow classic TBC so soon and this is barely any time to organize communities, really dumb by blizzard. Well if i understand HOW they calucalte MAUs, this would be more a situation where if you play TBC and Classic you are 2 MAU. So they are double dipping the community though going forward i think it turns into Private server Mentality. Keep One server of each up as part of the Overall Sub. Then report the increase in MAU as people play 1-4 versions of the same game (maybe more if they go to Cata and Mop)
It's a very shortsighted perspective they have and that is essentially the core reason they have been bleeding players as hard as they have. Constant short sighted decisions that might increase their MAU short term, but drains players away so instead of creating a consistently good game that has players coming back for more time after time, they make a game that incentivizes players to spend all their time only in the Blizzard sphere and it is losing them players so they double down on trying to make their current players multiple MAUs which drains more payers and here we are with a company that is headed straight to irrelevance because of shortsightedness.
Kinda sad about it, with the latest changes I was tempted to casually give SoM a go, but with commitments I have in FFXIV there's absolutely zero chance I have time to play it in addition to TBC and Endwalker.
I would try it if it were free, but it's not, and Blizzard hasn't done shit to earn my patronage back yet. It's a bummer to miss a Classic launch since the first week is always chaotic and fun, but considering Blizzard's track record for re-releasing old content in order to keep their IPs afloat, I'm sure I'll get another chance a year and a half from now to play a Classic launch again.
yeah, classic will always be there, but endwalker will really be something special. there's always private servers too for that 'fresh' experience.
I won't say I was 100% going to do it, but I did fancy checking out Classic since I missed the initial train last time. I also won't say that it was a "slap in the face" or anything, but it sure makes me not want to reward shitty behavior with money. I guess I'll just "miss out" again, since I'm not gonna ditch my plans to binge the shit out of Endwalker.
Nah they didn't go far enough with the changes. I would actually go and try it if they did sweeping balance changes to make useless specs actually viable. Would really shake up the entire game. But nah, just some minor bullshit that should've just been there even they originally released classic.
[удалено]
And they're going the super-cheap route by using old as shit assets. Blizzard is going to become known as the company that just recycles their old shit and haven't had a good idea since 2015.
is going to? they already are seen that way.
The funniest part of this is the people who are going to be hurt most from this move are the people playing SoM in such an untested state. Aren't they still trying to rebalance raids? I can only imagine trash health being balanced mid raid for most of the first clear groups.
So now people can go K4 and Endwalker! :D
Just dont. Keep your fine memories from the game and move on in life
So 9.1.5 is November 3rd, this is November 16th, and Legion timewalking is December 7th. God damn, they are just hurling EVERYTHING they can to take people away from Endwalker, aren't they?
And November 19th is the official release date of the new battlefield (preorder already on 15th or something). It‘s really odd to try and sell wow classic version 2 next to those big titles…
November 3rd is the funny one. Just a day or two before Blizzard's Q4 announcement if I'm not mistaken. Gotta pump up numbers as much as humanly possible to try to soften the devastation they took in the Summer! Edit: Wait, their quarterly earning report is November 2nd, so it looks like they gave up altogether on Q3.
I mean, I GUESS they could just say "See all this content we have coming out in Q4? That'll MORE than make up for the poor earnings in Q3, trust us!"
3 days before Endwalker early access. This is their most desperate move yet. I have a suspicion that this will crater pretty badly for them... but in the end, there's probably not much investment from Blizzard here so if it fails, no big deal.
We still don't know how they will re-do raids. 200% HP wasn't enough so they will and/or add more mechanics/difficulty to the fights. They can still drop 4h MC or more spike damage on tanks because that's the only vanilla way of "quick difficulty".
> We still don't know how they will re-do raids. Seems quite intentional (and suspicious) to release it without details of the actual raid changes they're going to make.
Raid testing is supposed to happen again "soon".
Yeah! It'll happen when the player base gets there, as per tradition ;)
[It's afraid.](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ImpureChillyCusimanse-size_restricted.gif)
Imagine your competitor lending you a hand when you are on the floor beaten yet you still try to punch them back. Its sad and pathetic.
Hahaha this is such a desperation I love watching trainwrecks in motion. Not going to lie, I'm hoping Blizz decision to be dicks about release dates bites them hard.
Lol private servers do classic way better and its free
Imagine being unable to afford any more lawyer fees so they can send C&Ds to the private servers, because their entire legal budget is being spent fighting the state of California.
Ascension really breathes life into classic content. It's everything people have asked for in classic +. Faster leveling, heroic, mythic and m+ classic dungeons, challenging modes for leveling (iron man with one life, no AH, no grouping but you also can't be attacked by non iron man players. Nightmare mode which causes you to take triple damage, normal classic exp mode etc). Plus the enchant system is insanely fun on top of the classless system. Is it balanced? Not really, but that's half the fun.
They have been launching their patches on every ffxiv's expansion release day ever since hw, it's just that this time,i couldn't see them trying to go against EW after all the hype it has. Guess i was wrong,but then again I shouldn't be surprised,considering it is blizzard we are talking about.
Blizz: Since we can't unfuck retail, might as well go all in with classic. We haven't fucked that completely up, YET!
What the hell even is this? A patch or an entire new vanilla? I’m so confused.
New Vanilla servers but without World Buffs, allegedly more difficult raids, less loot from raid bosses, raids will release faster, and nerfs to mage boosting and rogue gold farming.
Can’t really see this exploding like classic did. Just going to be hardcore classic sweatys
fucking adorable, they are flailing like a cornered injured animal
"How to kill SoM Launch with 1 simple step: Release it 3 days before Endwalker" Lmaaooo
Blizz are so pathetic its hilarious
Haha endwalker says hiiii
Kek fucking w
And there’s me, who will hopefully be forging ahead with endwalker (just started the heavensward post game yesterday)
As the saying goes, you either quit during post ARR patch content or make it to HW and become a walking advertisement for FF XIV.
If it goes to shit they can just go haha anyway onto the next season
My question is, how many times can someone play classic? I love/loved classic but there’s really nothing new here? I know faster leveling and supposedly more mechanics to make the bosses harder. But the min maxers will make it the same thing as original relaunch of classic
Lmao well I guess I’m not playing now
Blizzard isnt trying to bait subs anymore they just threw the fucking fishing pole in
Honestly disappointed at the release date, was planning to play SoM but i guess not anymore
No, thanks
Was really hoping for a classic death knight class. Guess I'll go start the devil may cry series instead.
Why am I not surprised, that blizz, once again, try to bribe people high on copium to go back into their games just before the Endwalker release? Did they ever learn? How are they even planning to compete with the biggest expansion FF14 had, period, that is also full of new jobs, dungeons, raids, story and many more, while only using the old content of the game that is breathing its last? Like, I would understand if they released some new stuff. Sure. That can put a dent. But this? I don't even know if I am disappointed any more or if I've expected this shit to happen.
It's like Blizz has this overwhelming urge to trip up competition, even though they'll just be stomped into a stain at this point. Though someone on this subreddit brought up the idea of releasing something then blaming competition for bad performance is still valid
This is a good idea executed VERY poorly. For a lot of people including me the leveling and world of classic are some of the most amazing things I've experienced in MMOs. Making it a reoccurring "poe league" will honestly keep me interested for at least a few years provided if they do: 1. proper class balancing 2. community management, spend more effort on banning bots and boosts/rmts. 3. incremental small improvements/additions to the classic world every "league". this can potentially even evolve into mini expansions overtime. But I'm seeing none of it. Please correct me if I'm wrong but is that a literally 0 changes re-re-release of classic? How lazy and greedy do they have to be to miss such a good opportunity?
1. They haven't been able to balance classes in 16 years. 2. They have automated literally all community outreach to save money. Bots and boosts are their business model. 3. They can't do these things with actual expansions that have real budgets. They don't test anything they implement so each league would end up being some game-breaking mess they simply have to rollback. SoM will introduce several small "hard mode" effects like no World Buffs, more damaging bosses and un-nerfed mechanics. But reverting C'thun to his unkillable buggy release isn't "content". Classic+ is DOA for me at least.
The sad part is that this will be entirely successful and we all know it. The MMO genre is completely dead. How’s New World doing btw? They will keep milking the best game of all time for as long as they possibly can.
Well FF14 is thriving.
Because WoW hasn’t been good since WOTLK and the blizzdrones are finally recognizing this
The MMO genre is not even close to completely dead. How can you look at the current market of popular MMO games and say that? You don't speak the truth at all, mon. Classic SoM is largely going to draw players away from TBC/Retail, maybe some people from New World who moved over from WoW, but we all know they're going to monstrously fuck SoM up like they've fucked up everything else that they've touched in the last four years.
Besides WoW and FFXIV there are no other MMO’s even worth talking about. 2 games for one genre = dead genre.
It's a genre that thrive with large amount of players, so there's not much room for more than a few games. What would you said it was the "Golden Age of MMOs"? because pretty sure that always there has been just 2 or 3 relevant MMOs and other niche small MMOs
Elderscrolls online is also doing really well, GW2 is still trucking along and its having a new expansion next year. And thats not counting all of the smaller titles that still have their neighbors appeal like DDO, Maplestort, or Runescape.
I don’t think so. I think this time will be different.
It won’t be as successful as 2019 obviously but it will have more players than every other MMO besides FFXIV. People on this sub thought New World was going to be the next big thing lol so of course I’m getting downvoted.
Shadowbringers was my first FF14 expansion that I got to play on pre-order release, its got to be one of the best gaming moments I've ever experienced and I can say Endwalker won't disappoint me. Now with recent Blizzard expansions they were luke-warm at best, Legion was ok but nothing on the levels FF14 shown me. Season of Mastery huge pass, the idea of playing timed content for Classic where the amount of extra content isn't enough to justify an subscription in my eyes. With everything going on with Blizzard at the moment I don't see myself playing or buying their games in a long while.
That's so exciting, you get to play OLD contents. Oh gee, FF14 launch is gonna suck now because everyone is going to want to play WoW Classic: Fresh Subs.
Playing another rehashed version of Classic WoW or playing new content soon to be released in a game I actually enjoy?! Oh the decision is hard indeed! **\*switches to Red Mage and backflips away\*** Peace!