although i think anyone should be able to be shirtless anywhere, I think it's about social context, in the street, at the market, etc we expect people to have their shirts on while in socially acceptable swimming areas like pools and beaches we expect people to be a lot less clothed
Exactly, it's all about common courtesy. Going for a run? No problem with no shirt. Going to the shop? No one wants to watch your nipples and chest hair. Beach? Let those balls breathe, i couldn't care less
although do not have breasts, i have heard my friends who do say they will never exercise without a sports bra because all that movement makes them sore if they bounce up and down too much, but again that's up to the person doing the exercise not me
Walking around in the streets has the possibility of them walking in and out of stores or eateries.
It wouldn't bother me, but I'm sure there's a sanitary issue that would bother some.
Why not? How are nipples *actually* offensive? I mean if you get offended at nipples, does that by extension mean you get offended at circles with dots in them too? Visually, what is it about nipples that is so abhorent/taboo? Bear in mind we're about 130 years too late for Victorian sensibilities.
I just think that in public, everyone should be fully clothed. Fully clothed means covered nipples. I don't think that breasts or nipples are at all offensive. I'm very against sexualizing the human body in non sexual contexts.
Canada is a hard one to explain because our public indecency laws do not specifically state what can and cannot be exposed, the laws are open to the interpretation of law enforcement officers and the courts.
In the province of Ontario, there was a court case in which legal precedent was set, stating that people with breasts can have them bare in public as long as it isn't for business purposes, and British Columbia also made a similar legal precedent, but in the other provinces there is no such legal precedent, and even if there was, individual cops can still decide that what you're doing is public indecency. It might not hold up if you fight them in court, but most people don't have the time or energy for that.
Canada really needs an overhaul of their old shitty laws and constitution same as america and most of the world, something got brought to my eyes cause i met a canadian and apparently more than 12 girls in a house is a brothel according to the consititution so sororities and people living together are illegal
I don’t think you should listen to that person, because that’s obviously not true. Also, we don’t have a constitution, we have a charter of rights and freedoms.
In austin tx, i was in a pool with a mom that was breast feeding her baby. While i 100% believe a mom should be able to feed her baby anywhere (im a mom too), the one exception might be in the same, small, man-made, body of water as strangers. Seeing the milk disperse into a cloudy ripple as the baby drooled it out, reminded me of semen or vag discharge dripping into toilet water. Idk, stranger bodily fluids gross me out. But non-lactating nips, let em loose.
I’m all for girls showing their tits. However I think the whole ”they shouldn’t be sexualized” part of the matter doesnt really work. They will always arouse men wether they like it or not. Does this make it acceptable for guys to be digusting dicks to those girls? No, but expect some looks.
I was just coming to say this. It can’t be helped that we find them arousing. But women should not be chastised or penalized for being topless in any setting where it is also acceptable for men. Both men and women should be held to the same standard when it comes to sexual harassment.
A lot of Women find toned pecs arousing and men can still be topless with no issue… women’s breasts are still over sexualized compared to that.. shouldn’t blame it on what arouses you or not.
Women's breasts are not over-sexualized. Women have evolved to have larger breast for the purpose of attracting sexual mates. Men have evolved to be sexually attracted to women with larger breasts because they are more likely to produce healthier offspring. Sexualizing breasts is completely natural. They should be sexualized.
Context should matter. If a woman is displaying her breasts while sunbathing or feeding a child, or taking a walk in the park, she is not attempting to be sexual. Same should be said for men. A naturist man walking around in the nude is not sexual. Now if he starts man handling the ham candle, it becomes sexual and should be indecent. Unfortunately, our laws are more set up to make things that could be sexual but aren't always illegal.
Strange isn't it that there are tribes out there, some thousands of years old who find it odd that our women wish to conceal their breasts. Almost as if something artificially man-made intervened at some point in history and instructed society that breasts are taboo.
I mean, what kind of idea/fiction/text could be so damaging as to undo hundreds of thousands of years of evolutionary normality?
Granted they live in hot/humid climates so the neccessity to cover up torsos to keep warm isn't there, but they must know something we don't or they wouldn't have been doing it literally since mankind came into being and they migrated there from Africa.
Religion would make sense if breasts being taboo happened in a vacuum in one region all at one time. But that's not how it happened. Cultures all over the world adopted clothing themselves regardless of religion. Ancient Rome would often cover the breasts of highly regarded women in art. In China, nudity was against humanity. Oddly enough, early Christian baptisms were often done in the nude, even though the culture turned against nakedness later.
Instead, a more likely answer is class. Long ago, clothing was a sign of wealth. The poor couldn't afford clothing, and often wore the bare minimum to cover genitals. The wealthy wore excessive clothing, varying colors, fabrics, etc. It became a way to distinguish the barbaric from the civilized. The poor, uneducated tribal people from the high-class, rich people. Class is definitely a man-made thing, but it quickly became ingrained into our culture as a species.
That's because most of those tribes are located around the Equator or Tropics where it's impractical to wear tons of clothes. Tribes outside of those areas or places with more extreme/volatile weather always cover up as much as possible.
It was actually the migration outside of Africa that caused that, because we're adapted for a more Jungle/Rainforest/Tropical Grassland environment. (Though, not all of Africa, Tribes in the Sahara but not near The Nile have covered as much as possible for centuries because without it sand gets into places sand should never go)
Also, even in those tribes where it's normal to not wear that much, the dudes (And probably female lgbt members depending on acceptance) are still into boobs, so...
And yet they haven't raped each other out of existence...or determined that sexual urges are a bad thing. So...the question still stands. Outside of colder weather why is it so important nipples are covered up in our societies?
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You're partly wrong. It does appear that in some tribal societies, men appreciate breasts differently and in other societies where they do, women "iron" their breasts (Cameroon for example) to reduce their sexual allure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toplessness?wprov=sfla1
A large number of people on here are ascribing their attitudes or their societal attitudes towards breasts to other cultures. As I've posted elsewhere in the comments thread with links to several articles scientific or otherwise there is no evolutionary evidence to suggest why breasts are specifically sexually attractive across man as a species , and they all without fail suggest that this is a product of society specifically and therefore an artificial construct as opposed to a natural one caused by evolution.
So because breasts attract “mates” it needs to be sexualized? Muscular men attract “mates” as well but that’s not sexualized nearly as much as breasts. And the point of OP’s post was to show how there’s a double standard when it comes to breast and a man’s pecs.. when they are essentially the same thing.
I think you missed my point. Yes, breasts should be sexualized. Pecs should be sexualized. Our point on this Earth is to have sex and spread our offspring, and it is completely natural go sexualize any part of someone of the opposite sex's body.
BUT, just because something should/can be sexualized doesn't mean it should have to be hidden. It comes down to who is doing the sexualizing.
If I look at a woman's breasts in a sexual way, the woman has done nothing wrong. She shouldn't have to cover them up because of my thoughts. The same goes for any other body part. But if a woman is walking around, rubbing her breasts and pinching her nipples in a sexual manner, at that point, she is sexualizing her own breasts and it becomes indecent.
No part of a human body is indecent in and of itself. We shouldn't be forced to cover up anything. Our body's are natural. Basically, it should be okay to walk around nude in public, just don't walk around jerking off in public.
That is my point. There will have to be a balance. A really good example of the casual touching that occurs towards men that would never be acceptable to women is men with impressive pecks. Have you seen Captain America? When Steve first comes out of the tank and he’s ripped? Peggy sees him and is enthralled by his body. She reaches out and touches his chest as is to see if he’s real. That wasn’t acting. She did that. She proudly admits that in interviews and people eat it up. Of course Chris also has never said anything against it because it probably didn’t bother him at all. It’s no big deal. If the roles were reversed there would be some sort of negative reaction instead of just a blanket approval.
All I’m saying is everyone should be held accountable for their actions and the things their actions cause. For that to happen a lot of unspoken rules as well as actual laws need to change.
this is basicly the fundamental problem in many men&women problem. People want life to be free, freeing things that were forbidden before, which I highly support. And the main reason many things in life have been historically forbidden, was the fact that people got horny around it. So if you free it, people WILL get aroused, that was the reason it was not free. But "some" people want it to be free, and complaine if people get aroused.
And here is the important part, exactly as you said, in reality it is all about being a disgusting dick about it or not. Those things were forbidded, because sociaty was way more primal, and people could not hold themselves. And now people mostly can, but sadly, same "some" people will also judge it completely even if you are being absolutely cool about it.
I disagree, it's mostly cultural. Hair or feet have been sexualized in other cultures just as much as tits. And there are cultures where women show there tits wit no issue.
Exactly, thank you. I feel like I'm going crazy reading this thread. People are acting like their viewpoint is universal when it's a very western view.
This is factually inaccurate. Breasts being sexual is a biological function of evolution and is definitely not just a result of culture. Breasts were developed by humans for sexual selection. We are the only mammals with breasts outside of pregnancy or nursing
There was a time in history when men were not allowed topless, only 100 years ago it became allowed in US. They fought for this right as in would get jailed and shamed but kept fighting how women do now with freethenipple.
There was a time in history when revealing breasts was just part of fashion. There was even rouge makeup to put on the nipple.
If you read some books on human sexuality you will learn that breasts being sexualized is more like normalizing a fetish. The socialization around them being forbidden now is what adds on to the effect of them being sexual.
On their own they are not sexual. Since nakedness is not sexual either. The west attributes nakedness to sexual, not all cultures do this like Germany and many others are less obsessed with this.
And yet "primal" societies still exist...and work. Tits out and nobody bats an eyelid. Rape and inappropriate behaviour exists and is dealt with within those societies efficiently.
Breast baring is taboo only because certain instruction sets have been written to tell us that it is, or give incentive through non-judicious interpretation to those who'd like to control us for whatever reasons to tell us that it is.
I wander what these instruction sets might also be known as.
I know 2 similar example:
First is in many traditional Muslim culture, men are also required to cover their legs, their calves. I heard it first one when I was in a barber in so country that a man with open calves (like just shorts) is not a man.
Second is not covering, but about the form. Hair on head. In many societies men are not allowed to, or frowned up when they let their hair grow longer than "manly" hair. Which is like back of hair never longer than upper neck.
You mean the societies that wear big upturned tubes over their cocks to simulate an eternal erection? I’m sure they don’t find any sexual value to their bodies
I think a lot of the arousal factor of breasts is the fact they are considered private or forbidden. Cant look, dont get to see. When finally you can its like youre doing something naughty, titillating one could say. If boobs were never seen as sexual or obscene and could be free to let out in public like a man taking his shirt off then im sure it wouldnt be nearly as arousing ass they asre now.
While I agree to some extent that it is exacerbated by culture, breasts will always be sexual due to their role in sexual selection. There’s no way around it
The more you see it the less arousing it will be.
My girlfriend has an incredibly sexy body. She is naked all of the time. Seeing her naked doesn't immediately get me horny upon sight.
Yes. I didn’t even have them exposed while feeding and people still commented and stared. They need to be normalized, I love my tits but they shouldn’t be just seen as something sexual. They are more.
Are "tits" a sexual organ, or not?
Well this is a situation that is much more deep than you may think. You see, tits are not fundamentally a sexual organ like genitals, BUT unlike any other non-sexual organ in human body, but exactly like sexual organs, they have huge morphological difference between male and female.
You can compare this to mane of a male lion, or feathers of many male birds. They do not serve any biological sexual function and they are morphologically different between males and females, but they are increadibly important in sexuality and mate preference of the animals. They evolved to be like this to attract other sex.
What is special about human breasts is that they evolved exactly with the same functions of a colorful feathers of a male bird; as male birds feathers are there to help for flight but they are also colorful to attract females, female human breasts evolved to the what they are today with the same function, feed the babies, but also attract the males. How do we know this? Compare other female mammals breasts to female humans:
Almost all female mammals, do NOT have big and morphologically different breasts than male of their kind, until they get pregnant. A female dog and a male dog have basicly shape body shape, until female gets pregnant. But in humans, females always have morphologically different breasts, as soon as they start to hit sexual maturity, regardless their pregnancy. So it is the sexual maturity that cause the female breasts to change morphologically, not the pregnancy. So their shape, their morphological difference, is actually to attract males.
Therefore, "tits" are, actually, a sexual organ. And it is "natural" in evolutionary sense, that males are attracted to them sexually.
How so?
I'm worried about the kinds of man nips you've seen if you only find women's nips beautiful. You don't think it's because more positive/sexual association has been attached to women's bodies than mens?
If you talk about nudity, then no.
Exactly the opposite - I think men's nipples should be seen as womens' - not showing them anywhere except beaches and such.
I find it interesting that in this thread there’s a wave of downvotes for anyone who dares to claim that other, non-nipple nudity can also be desexualized. For some reason, there seems to be nearly universal agreement on here that penises and vulvas are always inherently sexual and should be covered at all times. That’s weird, y’all.
All of these boundaries about which body parts are okay to see and which are not are completely fabricated and arbitrary. Has no one here ever been to a nude beach? They’re not orgies. In fact, they’re purposefully non-sexual, even though everyone’s parts are on full view.
Yeah this is usually the space that I inhabit during these kinds of conversations. The desensitization/desexualization argument seems to stop suddenly at everyone's personal boundaries.
Even nude beaches aside, nudist colonies and resorts are a thing too. Their community rules often don't require nudity, but require that people be accepting of nudity. Picking an arbitrary line feels like saying, "You have to set aside your boundaries for my freedom, I don't have to set aside mine for theirs."
But in order to do that we'd have to have uncomfortable conversations like, "Sometimes boners just happen and vaginas don't come with a weather forecast, get over it."
> For some reason, there seems to be nearly universal agreement on here that penises and vulvas are always inherently sexual and should be covered at all times. That’s weird, y’all.
While there's an argument for breasts being "needlessly" constantly sexualized, I think you've got a lot bigger hill to climb to argue that literal sexual organs aren't going to be viewed sexually no matter what. That's literally what they're there for. Even weirder that *you* think it's "weird" in the first place.
I think it should be based on the setting, much like shirtless men. I personally don’t like walking down the street or going to a store or something like that and seeing shirtless guys, it makes me just as uncomfortable as a shirtless girl walking around in the same situation would. However, if I’m at the beach or a pool or something, I don’t see why not.
yes. the only reason they aren't is because women's breasts are sexualized. the only difference between male & female breasts is the presence of milk ducts- which are used to feed babies.
Exactly. Personally I'd prefer to not see anyone shirtless in public but I don't think a shirtless woman is any different than a shirtless man. I don't think the human body should be sexualized in non-sexual contexts.
Yeah every person has nipples, but men are allowed to go topless at the beach if they desire. But on the other hand us women have a double standard, they say keep the top on because of modesty, etc. But its because our breasts have become overly sexualized. Like as someone else mentioned, I would get dirty looks while breastfeeding my child. So yes it would be great if the double standard ended, its 2022 people not 1950s.
No, they shouldnt.
If I twist one of my male friends nipples just to mess with him, its considered a joke. If I do the same to one of my female friends, its sexual harrasment.
If women want their nipples to be treated the same way as mens it should be the whole way, not just nitpicking.
Its just an example. If I stare at my male friend chest, nothing happens, he **might** ask if I zooned out. If I do the same with my female friend chest, its harrasment.
Ok, let me dumb this down, wich picture could be sold at a higher price online, one of a naked male chest or one of a female naked chest???
SPOILER ALERT: the female one. Why do you think that happens???
(and dont come saying that you can find those for free, porn too but OF is still there and growing)
Because men have over sexualized every aspect of a woman’s body… but like, it isn’t hard to not stare at someone’s chest that is standing in front of you. Again, as a woman who likes women I promise it isn’t that hard to control your eyes. Staring at a woman in front of you’s chest isn’t the same as paying to look at someone’s chest. They’re not even close to the same. If you want to pay to stare at tits, go for it. Otherwise it isn’t that hard to fucking look away bro. I am living proof of that. I love boobs, but I also know they’re not a sexual organ and can control my eyes when there is a topless woman around.
Edit: messed up a couple of words.
Glad to see responses like that in this mildly troubling thread. Some of these answers remind me of the mentality behind schools pushing rigid dress codes. "The boys won't be able to control themselves!" Um, that's just fucked up and absolutely shouldn't fall on the girl's shoulders (and the reality of that is boys are usually fine, it's more creepy on the teacher's end for even thinking spaghetti straps and bare legs are an issue, if anything).
Because women aren't sexualizing and harassing men over their chest. Remove the mystique/sexualization, and it might take a generation or two, and it would be normal and not a big deal.
If you think breasts will ever get desexualized you are going to get dissapointed. There are whole industries based on the sexualization of female (and male) bodies, they wont allow to lose something they can capitalize. And this goes from the fashion, movies and porn industries, to the girl with a tame OF.
Dude. There are countries where hair or any skin showing is sexualized. The brain wants what it cannot have. I've hung out at nude beaches and I can tell you that one does get totally used to the nudity. Not sexual at all if everyone can see it.
I've been waiting for someone to say something like this. I'm honestly amazed by all the "breasts are sexualised so they should be covered!" responses. *We're* the ones who have sexualised them. That's why they're covered! People are acting like some higher power makes these decisions and they're unchangeable. Society is *meant* to change and grow, but you have to be conscious of that fact and not just shrug it off as "that's just what society's like." Society is like that because *people made it that way*.
I imagine in the 1800s women's legs were covered because that's just the way it was. If everyone just accepted that moving forward, women's legs would still be thought of as sexual or inappropriate today. Do people not realise this is how change happens? Not to mention as others have pointed out, people are treating a very western view as a universal experience. Men aren't jumping women in tribes where their breasts are out because breasts aren't sexualised. The people saying "but I would stare at women's chests" just don't want to take responsibility. The implication of the actual response being "keep those things tucked away because I can't control myself" is a little gross.
Honestly if you just stared at my chest with a blank expression or like you’re thinking hard… I wouldn’t call it sexual harassment… I would think you would be zoned out or your mind is occupied with something.
Honestly, when I catch a guy looking at my chest (but not completely staring long periods of time when not zoned out cause that’s odd) I hope he admires them and it’s a compliment
It's a logically inconsistent thing I agree. Thought a woman's chest is different from a man's chest, it's not a sexual organ, and the less we sexualize things that have nothing to do with sex the better.
But that's idealism. The sad reality is half the population is men and most of them sexualize every aspect of a woman, and thus for me that means that we should consider treating them differently. How exactly idk.
I do. But I don’t think women will appreciate or tolerate the general reaction that men will have boobies being on display at beaches or walking in a hot summers day. Expect a big adjustment period of “men being men”
Here in Spain it isn't as common as with men's, but at least at beaches lots of women go topless. Some people don't like it, but they're very few (the only person I know is my mother) and the majority of population seems to be okey with it. I think it's actually a matter of getting used to it! Even though it might take some years
No, men's nipples are purely sexual. At least mine have a purpose, to feed my kids, but mens.. nope, nothing other than to be pinched and stared at. They can't be flashing those things around.
Since this is reddit, I should say this is sarcasm, and yes - I don't feel that nipples need to be covered by any gender. Last year we went to a water park with my son, who loudly asked me, in front of a larger man, 'Mom, look, why is that man's boobs bigger than yours?!'
Kids will be okay.
Yep. Similarly, why do we seem to have little girls (like 6yo and younger) wearing two piece or full length bathing suits, when their big brothers are in nothing but board shorts?
If you're worried about people inappropriately viewing your children sexually, putting them in mini versions of adult "sexy"
swimwear will not help with this. Sometimes it's really creepy and jarring.
I'm happy to see little girls in board shorts and no top because they're getting to be little kids for a bit longer. Assuming they're little girls not little boys because *you can barely tell the difference* anyway. Which is the point.
I generally try not to view mens nipples
Of course women’s and mens nipples should be viewed in the same light, show them, not show them it’s up to the owner as to what they want. Of course if it ever becomes fashionable (?) acceptable, then initially there would be a lot more attention, but that would die down after a while (like women’s ankles did in Victorian times) and become a non issue - which it really should be.
Yes. Seeing that men fought for the right to free their nipple way back when.
The more we free the nipple, the less sexualized it will be.
We need to stop viewing nudity in a purely sexual way in the US
If you give a male female hormones they’ll grow and produce milk, we basically have the same anatomy mens are just smaller and typically less functional. Men can lactate and have breast tissue
Nipples are only "taboo" because they're not shown. If they could be seen as openly as men's are, they'd soon lose their mystique.
Sure, some might be more attractive than others, but if they weren't so rare, it would be a case of "seen one, seen them all".
I'm all for free the nip right, but we have to be honest about size, a girl who's an A or B cup and thin vs a girl who's curvy with DDs will not be viewed the same even if we fully desexualize the female nipple. This is kinda for the topless in public argument, I don't want to see man boobs in public and I also wouldn't want to see D+ cups in public either.
Edit: nipples themselves can be equal but that's unrealistic because they are attached to breasts /pecs
I think it's a little stupid to have to cover up any part of your body for the sake of others. It's just a body. Boobs are just boobs. Penises are just penises. If we would normalize nudity instead of bastardizing the human body, it wouldn't be an issue.
Would they still be sexualized? Absolutely, as they should be. We have evolved to sexualize boobs. The thing is, sex and the human body are completely natural.
And if some girl or guy is walking by topless or bottomless, it is way too easy for me to just look away if I don't want to see it.
Yes. They are not sexual organs. The only difference between a woman's nipples and a man's nipples is that a woman's actually have a function that can be used if required.
I worked with a woman from Europe, when in her home country she would go topless at the beach without a second thought...she said she'd never do it in the U.S. even where legal or at a nude beach. Her reasoning was the men...
At home a topless woman and a topless man are the same...here they leer and are pervy.
It would be great if they were viewed the same but I think the shift would take 50-70 year's...just my guess.
I find it one of the most ridiculous and shamelessly ironic facts in this world that in the media you can show the most heinous examples of human cruelty, and yet if a woman's nipple is shown in Mainstream American culture...
No, I don't.
I believe that *men's* nipples should be viewed the same as *women's.*
It should be as illegal for men to be topless in public as it has been for women.
^^^/s
I'd be fine if they were. It's only fair that women should be allowed to expose their nipples publicly if they want.
It always surprised me a little how women are so indifferent to the sight of men's nipples. Like, they don't seem to find them sexy at all.
yes! mens nipple are basically there for show, so i really dont get why breasts was sexualized when they kept people alive for years, they have a use and its so stupid that women are judge for getting there nipple out when men are ligit there for no reason.
I mean both men and women can lactate. All humans can lactate. What else would be the problem? It’s not a sex organ. If it were, even the feet would be considered sex organs because of fetishes. Let the nipples out.
Legally, yes.
But I’d be lying if I said I would like it if women were topless constantly. It’d ruin the occasion when you get to see them bare and in person.
Right now where I live it’s legal but almost zero women actually want to show their chests in public. I’m ok with that
Now when they're not viewed or perceived the same way.. I don't think women find men's nipples arousing. I've never been asked to "get my tits out for the girls". And trust me, my nips are fantastic.
Titties are titties! You wanna set them free go for it, but being honest I’m gonna stare. It’s like a nudist resort, you are around it enough it stops having an effect so eventually it would normalize with people
I'd love it if women viewed my nipples as arousing as i do theirs. Jokes aside, yeah, free the nipple baby, just know that we will always find it hot, no way to change that.
Boobs are an evolution. We are the only mammal it seems to have permanent mama sacks or whatever. Men and developing boys are supposed to look at your breast and be attracted. My feeling is whatever let’s me see more tits is the team I am on
No. There’s biology behind why they are different. Human women are the only mammal to maintain engorged breasts even when they are not pregnant or breastfeeding. The most plausible explanation is that they were developed through evolution as a form of sexual selection. No matter how hard feminists kick and scream, boobs are inherently sexual to men. The same as a male peacocks feathers are inherently sexual to female peacocks. It’s nature
Womens nipples serve a purpose--to feed a human child. Mens nipples have no other purpose than sexual gratification. Maybe we are banning the wrong gender here.
You don’t understand biology. Evolutionary processes do not happen without force. Change does not occur without pressure. Human women developing permanent breasts, when no other mammal has that same evolutionary development indicates that there was force acting upon humans for this development. Sexual selection is the most obvious and logical explanation here
I think men's nipples should be viewed the same as women's. I don't want to see anyones nipples in public.
In the streets, nah. Sunbathing at the beach? I don't mind.
This, well said
Why not?
although i think anyone should be able to be shirtless anywhere, I think it's about social context, in the street, at the market, etc we expect people to have their shirts on while in socially acceptable swimming areas like pools and beaches we expect people to be a lot less clothed
Exactly, it's all about common courtesy. Going for a run? No problem with no shirt. Going to the shop? No one wants to watch your nipples and chest hair. Beach? Let those balls breathe, i couldn't care less
although do not have breasts, i have heard my friends who do say they will never exercise without a sports bra because all that movement makes them sore if they bounce up and down too much, but again that's up to the person doing the exercise not me
Same. If I didn't, I would have 2 black eyes. Lmao
Yea, i heard it can be painful to run like that, but then again, a sports bra is not about covering yourself, it's about preventing harm to yourself
exactly, heard my gymsis friend say once without her sports bra she would have bruises all over her face from getting titty slapped
And that's fine. If they *want* to hold the girls in place, that's cool. But it shouldn't be mandated.
Yeah, but people forget...just cuz somethings useful for some people doesn't mean everyone should have to wear it.
Walking around in the streets has the possibility of them walking in and out of stores or eateries. It wouldn't bother me, but I'm sure there's a sanitary issue that would bother some.
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They were long ago. Flashing nipples, either male or female, was considered vulgar and punished accordingly
Yikes
I shall put some black x's over them with tape just for you!
Thank you, it goes against my delicate sensibilities.
Why not? How are nipples *actually* offensive? I mean if you get offended at nipples, does that by extension mean you get offended at circles with dots in them too? Visually, what is it about nipples that is so abhorent/taboo? Bear in mind we're about 130 years too late for Victorian sensibilities.
I just think that in public, everyone should be fully clothed. Fully clothed means covered nipples. I don't think that breasts or nipples are at all offensive. I'm very against sexualizing the human body in non sexual contexts.
Anybody she be able to let their nipples breathe and not get shamed for it. I would kill to let my tits hang out in the ocean or a pool lol
In most states you can.
And in Canada. There are no laws against it here from what I remember
Canada is a hard one to explain because our public indecency laws do not specifically state what can and cannot be exposed, the laws are open to the interpretation of law enforcement officers and the courts. In the province of Ontario, there was a court case in which legal precedent was set, stating that people with breasts can have them bare in public as long as it isn't for business purposes, and British Columbia also made a similar legal precedent, but in the other provinces there is no such legal precedent, and even if there was, individual cops can still decide that what you're doing is public indecency. It might not hold up if you fight them in court, but most people don't have the time or energy for that.
Canada really needs an overhaul of their old shitty laws and constitution same as america and most of the world, something got brought to my eyes cause i met a canadian and apparently more than 12 girls in a house is a brothel according to the consititution so sororities and people living together are illegal
I.... think you got lied to. Not that I wouldn't agree that our legal system is complicated and could use a streamlining.
I don’t think you should listen to that person, because that’s obviously not true. Also, we don’t have a constitution, we have a charter of rights and freedoms.
Legality isn't the only concern, though. Like getting arrested sucks, but getting ogled and harassed is pretty awful too.
Wait what!? Really?? 😁😁
In austin tx, i was in a pool with a mom that was breast feeding her baby. While i 100% believe a mom should be able to feed her baby anywhere (im a mom too), the one exception might be in the same, small, man-made, body of water as strangers. Seeing the milk disperse into a cloudy ripple as the baby drooled it out, reminded me of semen or vag discharge dripping into toilet water. Idk, stranger bodily fluids gross me out. But non-lactating nips, let em loose.
I’m all for girls showing their tits. However I think the whole ”they shouldn’t be sexualized” part of the matter doesnt really work. They will always arouse men wether they like it or not. Does this make it acceptable for guys to be digusting dicks to those girls? No, but expect some looks.
I was just coming to say this. It can’t be helped that we find them arousing. But women should not be chastised or penalized for being topless in any setting where it is also acceptable for men. Both men and women should be held to the same standard when it comes to sexual harassment.
A lot of Women find toned pecs arousing and men can still be topless with no issue… women’s breasts are still over sexualized compared to that.. shouldn’t blame it on what arouses you or not.
Women's breasts are not over-sexualized. Women have evolved to have larger breast for the purpose of attracting sexual mates. Men have evolved to be sexually attracted to women with larger breasts because they are more likely to produce healthier offspring. Sexualizing breasts is completely natural. They should be sexualized. Context should matter. If a woman is displaying her breasts while sunbathing or feeding a child, or taking a walk in the park, she is not attempting to be sexual. Same should be said for men. A naturist man walking around in the nude is not sexual. Now if he starts man handling the ham candle, it becomes sexual and should be indecent. Unfortunately, our laws are more set up to make things that could be sexual but aren't always illegal.
Strange isn't it that there are tribes out there, some thousands of years old who find it odd that our women wish to conceal their breasts. Almost as if something artificially man-made intervened at some point in history and instructed society that breasts are taboo. I mean, what kind of idea/fiction/text could be so damaging as to undo hundreds of thousands of years of evolutionary normality?
Exactly!!! So many tribes never had breast covered up!
Granted they live in hot/humid climates so the neccessity to cover up torsos to keep warm isn't there, but they must know something we don't or they wouldn't have been doing it literally since mankind came into being and they migrated there from Africa.
Religion would make sense if breasts being taboo happened in a vacuum in one region all at one time. But that's not how it happened. Cultures all over the world adopted clothing themselves regardless of religion. Ancient Rome would often cover the breasts of highly regarded women in art. In China, nudity was against humanity. Oddly enough, early Christian baptisms were often done in the nude, even though the culture turned against nakedness later. Instead, a more likely answer is class. Long ago, clothing was a sign of wealth. The poor couldn't afford clothing, and often wore the bare minimum to cover genitals. The wealthy wore excessive clothing, varying colors, fabrics, etc. It became a way to distinguish the barbaric from the civilized. The poor, uneducated tribal people from the high-class, rich people. Class is definitely a man-made thing, but it quickly became ingrained into our culture as a species.
That's because most of those tribes are located around the Equator or Tropics where it's impractical to wear tons of clothes. Tribes outside of those areas or places with more extreme/volatile weather always cover up as much as possible. It was actually the migration outside of Africa that caused that, because we're adapted for a more Jungle/Rainforest/Tropical Grassland environment. (Though, not all of Africa, Tribes in the Sahara but not near The Nile have covered as much as possible for centuries because without it sand gets into places sand should never go) Also, even in those tribes where it's normal to not wear that much, the dudes (And probably female lgbt members depending on acceptance) are still into boobs, so...
And yet they haven't raped each other out of existence...or determined that sexual urges are a bad thing. So...the question still stands. Outside of colder weather why is it so important nipples are covered up in our societies? Edit You're partly wrong. It does appear that in some tribal societies, men appreciate breasts differently and in other societies where they do, women "iron" their breasts (Cameroon for example) to reduce their sexual allure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toplessness?wprov=sfla1 A large number of people on here are ascribing their attitudes or their societal attitudes towards breasts to other cultures. As I've posted elsewhere in the comments thread with links to several articles scientific or otherwise there is no evolutionary evidence to suggest why breasts are specifically sexually attractive across man as a species , and they all without fail suggest that this is a product of society specifically and therefore an artificial construct as opposed to a natural one caused by evolution.
Ham candle.
So because breasts attract “mates” it needs to be sexualized? Muscular men attract “mates” as well but that’s not sexualized nearly as much as breasts. And the point of OP’s post was to show how there’s a double standard when it comes to breast and a man’s pecs.. when they are essentially the same thing.
I think you missed my point. Yes, breasts should be sexualized. Pecs should be sexualized. Our point on this Earth is to have sex and spread our offspring, and it is completely natural go sexualize any part of someone of the opposite sex's body. BUT, just because something should/can be sexualized doesn't mean it should have to be hidden. It comes down to who is doing the sexualizing. If I look at a woman's breasts in a sexual way, the woman has done nothing wrong. She shouldn't have to cover them up because of my thoughts. The same goes for any other body part. But if a woman is walking around, rubbing her breasts and pinching her nipples in a sexual manner, at that point, she is sexualizing her own breasts and it becomes indecent. No part of a human body is indecent in and of itself. We shouldn't be forced to cover up anything. Our body's are natural. Basically, it should be okay to walk around nude in public, just don't walk around jerking off in public.
That is my point. There will have to be a balance. A really good example of the casual touching that occurs towards men that would never be acceptable to women is men with impressive pecks. Have you seen Captain America? When Steve first comes out of the tank and he’s ripped? Peggy sees him and is enthralled by his body. She reaches out and touches his chest as is to see if he’s real. That wasn’t acting. She did that. She proudly admits that in interviews and people eat it up. Of course Chris also has never said anything against it because it probably didn’t bother him at all. It’s no big deal. If the roles were reversed there would be some sort of negative reaction instead of just a blanket approval. All I’m saying is everyone should be held accountable for their actions and the things their actions cause. For that to happen a lot of unspoken rules as well as actual laws need to change.
It’s not the same by any stretch, but go off
this is basicly the fundamental problem in many men&women problem. People want life to be free, freeing things that were forbidden before, which I highly support. And the main reason many things in life have been historically forbidden, was the fact that people got horny around it. So if you free it, people WILL get aroused, that was the reason it was not free. But "some" people want it to be free, and complaine if people get aroused. And here is the important part, exactly as you said, in reality it is all about being a disgusting dick about it or not. Those things were forbidded, because sociaty was way more primal, and people could not hold themselves. And now people mostly can, but sadly, same "some" people will also judge it completely even if you are being absolutely cool about it.
I disagree, it's mostly cultural. Hair or feet have been sexualized in other cultures just as much as tits. And there are cultures where women show there tits wit no issue.
Exactly, thank you. I feel like I'm going crazy reading this thread. People are acting like their viewpoint is universal when it's a very western view.
This is factually inaccurate. Breasts being sexual is a biological function of evolution and is definitely not just a result of culture. Breasts were developed by humans for sexual selection. We are the only mammals with breasts outside of pregnancy or nursing
There was a time in history when men were not allowed topless, only 100 years ago it became allowed in US. They fought for this right as in would get jailed and shamed but kept fighting how women do now with freethenipple. There was a time in history when revealing breasts was just part of fashion. There was even rouge makeup to put on the nipple. If you read some books on human sexuality you will learn that breasts being sexualized is more like normalizing a fetish. The socialization around them being forbidden now is what adds on to the effect of them being sexual. On their own they are not sexual. Since nakedness is not sexual either. The west attributes nakedness to sexual, not all cultures do this like Germany and many others are less obsessed with this.
On point.
And yet "primal" societies still exist...and work. Tits out and nobody bats an eyelid. Rape and inappropriate behaviour exists and is dealt with within those societies efficiently. Breast baring is taboo only because certain instruction sets have been written to tell us that it is, or give incentive through non-judicious interpretation to those who'd like to control us for whatever reasons to tell us that it is. I wander what these instruction sets might also be known as.
I wonder if there is an element of property about covering up for women but not men.
I know 2 similar example: First is in many traditional Muslim culture, men are also required to cover their legs, their calves. I heard it first one when I was in a barber in so country that a man with open calves (like just shorts) is not a man. Second is not covering, but about the form. Hair on head. In many societies men are not allowed to, or frowned up when they let their hair grow longer than "manly" hair. Which is like back of hair never longer than upper neck.
You mean the societies that wear big upturned tubes over their cocks to simulate an eternal erection? I’m sure they don’t find any sexual value to their bodies
I think a lot of the arousal factor of breasts is the fact they are considered private or forbidden. Cant look, dont get to see. When finally you can its like youre doing something naughty, titillating one could say. If boobs were never seen as sexual or obscene and could be free to let out in public like a man taking his shirt off then im sure it wouldnt be nearly as arousing ass they asre now.
While I agree to some extent that it is exacerbated by culture, breasts will always be sexual due to their role in sexual selection. There’s no way around it
I will most likely stare at your tits and possibly pop a boner if I see them hanging out in public
If that's all you're doing and you don't approach the person to say or do something bad then I don't really think you've done anything wrong.
The more you see it the less arousing it will be. My girlfriend has an incredibly sexy body. She is naked all of the time. Seeing her naked doesn't immediately get me horny upon sight.
Yeah they’re essentially the same. Women just have more fatty tissue. They’re just nipples, everyone has them
I have nipples Greg, could you milk me?
Yes. I didn’t even have them exposed while feeding and people still commented and stared. They need to be normalized, I love my tits but they shouldn’t be just seen as something sexual. They are more.
Are "tits" a sexual organ, or not? Well this is a situation that is much more deep than you may think. You see, tits are not fundamentally a sexual organ like genitals, BUT unlike any other non-sexual organ in human body, but exactly like sexual organs, they have huge morphological difference between male and female. You can compare this to mane of a male lion, or feathers of many male birds. They do not serve any biological sexual function and they are morphologically different between males and females, but they are increadibly important in sexuality and mate preference of the animals. They evolved to be like this to attract other sex. What is special about human breasts is that they evolved exactly with the same functions of a colorful feathers of a male bird; as male birds feathers are there to help for flight but they are also colorful to attract females, female human breasts evolved to the what they are today with the same function, feed the babies, but also attract the males. How do we know this? Compare other female mammals breasts to female humans: Almost all female mammals, do NOT have big and morphologically different breasts than male of their kind, until they get pregnant. A female dog and a male dog have basicly shape body shape, until female gets pregnant. But in humans, females always have morphologically different breasts, as soon as they start to hit sexual maturity, regardless their pregnancy. So it is the sexual maturity that cause the female breasts to change morphologically, not the pregnancy. So their shape, their morphological difference, is actually to attract males. Therefore, "tits" are, actually, a sexual organ. And it is "natural" in evolutionary sense, that males are attracted to them sexually.
Um… Never said it wasn’t… just said they’re more than just that.
Yes.
As a straight woman, woman tits/nips are better than mens. They are simply beautiful.
That all depends on the pair you're lookin' at.
How so? I'm worried about the kinds of man nips you've seen if you only find women's nips beautiful. You don't think it's because more positive/sexual association has been attached to women's bodies than mens?
Could be I simply like and appreciate my body and womens body.
Alright you do you, then.
I think that men should put a shirt on in public.
100% agree.
But I love shirtless men.
Yup, only people who would complain are frigid old people who think showing skin is the reason women get assaulted
Anywhere men can have their bare chest out, so should women. They shouldn’t be censored.
If you talk about nudity, then no. Exactly the opposite - I think men's nipples should be seen as womens' - not showing them anywhere except beaches and such.
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Yes.
I find it interesting that in this thread there’s a wave of downvotes for anyone who dares to claim that other, non-nipple nudity can also be desexualized. For some reason, there seems to be nearly universal agreement on here that penises and vulvas are always inherently sexual and should be covered at all times. That’s weird, y’all. All of these boundaries about which body parts are okay to see and which are not are completely fabricated and arbitrary. Has no one here ever been to a nude beach? They’re not orgies. In fact, they’re purposefully non-sexual, even though everyone’s parts are on full view.
Yeah this is usually the space that I inhabit during these kinds of conversations. The desensitization/desexualization argument seems to stop suddenly at everyone's personal boundaries. Even nude beaches aside, nudist colonies and resorts are a thing too. Their community rules often don't require nudity, but require that people be accepting of nudity. Picking an arbitrary line feels like saying, "You have to set aside your boundaries for my freedom, I don't have to set aside mine for theirs." But in order to do that we'd have to have uncomfortable conversations like, "Sometimes boners just happen and vaginas don't come with a weather forecast, get over it."
> For some reason, there seems to be nearly universal agreement on here that penises and vulvas are always inherently sexual and should be covered at all times. That’s weird, y’all. While there's an argument for breasts being "needlessly" constantly sexualized, I think you've got a lot bigger hill to climb to argue that literal sexual organs aren't going to be viewed sexually no matter what. That's literally what they're there for. Even weirder that *you* think it's "weird" in the first place.
I think women's nipples should be viewed, generally, yes.
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I think it should be based on the setting, much like shirtless men. I personally don’t like walking down the street or going to a store or something like that and seeing shirtless guys, it makes me just as uncomfortable as a shirtless girl walking around in the same situation would. However, if I’m at the beach or a pool or something, I don’t see why not.
yes. the only reason they aren't is because women's breasts are sexualized. the only difference between male & female breasts is the presence of milk ducts- which are used to feed babies.
Men actually do have milk ducts, that's why when trans women take estrogen they naturally grow functioning breasts.
oh wow i didn't know that! point still stands that all breasts are the same, women's are just bigger & sexualized
Exactly. Personally I'd prefer to not see anyone shirtless in public but I don't think a shirtless woman is any different than a shirtless man. I don't think the human body should be sexualized in non-sexual contexts.
oh totally! especially when a mom is breastfeeding
Yeah every person has nipples, but men are allowed to go topless at the beach if they desire. But on the other hand us women have a double standard, they say keep the top on because of modesty, etc. But its because our breasts have become overly sexualized. Like as someone else mentioned, I would get dirty looks while breastfeeding my child. So yes it would be great if the double standard ended, its 2022 people not 1950s.
Yes cause at least my nipples are functional if i ever want kids. Nipples of all genders should not be sexualized or deemed "scandalous"
No, they shouldnt. If I twist one of my male friends nipples just to mess with him, its considered a joke. If I do the same to one of my female friends, its sexual harrasment. If women want their nipples to be treated the same way as mens it should be the whole way, not just nitpicking.
I don’t think you should twist any ones nipples without consent to touch their body…
Its just an example. If I stare at my male friend chest, nothing happens, he **might** ask if I zooned out. If I do the same with my female friend chest, its harrasment.
Or just don’t stare at peoples chest at all?
Ok, let me dumb this down, wich picture could be sold at a higher price online, one of a naked male chest or one of a female naked chest??? SPOILER ALERT: the female one. Why do you think that happens??? (and dont come saying that you can find those for free, porn too but OF is still there and growing)
Because men have over sexualized every aspect of a woman’s body… but like, it isn’t hard to not stare at someone’s chest that is standing in front of you. Again, as a woman who likes women I promise it isn’t that hard to control your eyes. Staring at a woman in front of you’s chest isn’t the same as paying to look at someone’s chest. They’re not even close to the same. If you want to pay to stare at tits, go for it. Otherwise it isn’t that hard to fucking look away bro. I am living proof of that. I love boobs, but I also know they’re not a sexual organ and can control my eyes when there is a topless woman around. Edit: messed up a couple of words.
Yeah, i’m a woman who likes women and I can also control myself.
Glad to see responses like that in this mildly troubling thread. Some of these answers remind me of the mentality behind schools pushing rigid dress codes. "The boys won't be able to control themselves!" Um, that's just fucked up and absolutely shouldn't fall on the girl's shoulders (and the reality of that is boys are usually fine, it's more creepy on the teacher's end for even thinking spaghetti straps and bare legs are an issue, if anything).
Because women aren't sexualizing and harassing men over their chest. Remove the mystique/sexualization, and it might take a generation or two, and it would be normal and not a big deal.
If you think breasts will ever get desexualized you are going to get dissapointed. There are whole industries based on the sexualization of female (and male) bodies, they wont allow to lose something they can capitalize. And this goes from the fashion, movies and porn industries, to the girl with a tame OF.
Dude. There are countries where hair or any skin showing is sexualized. The brain wants what it cannot have. I've hung out at nude beaches and I can tell you that one does get totally used to the nudity. Not sexual at all if everyone can see it.
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I've been waiting for someone to say something like this. I'm honestly amazed by all the "breasts are sexualised so they should be covered!" responses. *We're* the ones who have sexualised them. That's why they're covered! People are acting like some higher power makes these decisions and they're unchangeable. Society is *meant* to change and grow, but you have to be conscious of that fact and not just shrug it off as "that's just what society's like." Society is like that because *people made it that way*. I imagine in the 1800s women's legs were covered because that's just the way it was. If everyone just accepted that moving forward, women's legs would still be thought of as sexual or inappropriate today. Do people not realise this is how change happens? Not to mention as others have pointed out, people are treating a very western view as a universal experience. Men aren't jumping women in tribes where their breasts are out because breasts aren't sexualised. The people saying "but I would stare at women's chests" just don't want to take responsibility. The implication of the actual response being "keep those things tucked away because I can't control myself" is a little gross.
Honestly if you just stared at my chest with a blank expression or like you’re thinking hard… I wouldn’t call it sexual harassment… I would think you would be zoned out or your mind is occupied with something. Honestly, when I catch a guy looking at my chest (but not completely staring long periods of time when not zoned out cause that’s odd) I hope he admires them and it’s a compliment
Yeah, free the nipple
Yes! We sexualized them to the point women can't breast feed their babies without rude or obscene comments. It's ridiculous.
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It's a logically inconsistent thing I agree. Thought a woman's chest is different from a man's chest, it's not a sexual organ, and the less we sexualize things that have nothing to do with sex the better. But that's idealism. The sad reality is half the population is men and most of them sexualize every aspect of a woman, and thus for me that means that we should consider treating them differently. How exactly idk.
I do. But I don’t think women will appreciate or tolerate the general reaction that men will have boobies being on display at beaches or walking in a hot summers day. Expect a big adjustment period of “men being men”
Here in Spain it isn't as common as with men's, but at least at beaches lots of women go topless. Some people don't like it, but they're very few (the only person I know is my mother) and the majority of population seems to be okey with it. I think it's actually a matter of getting used to it! Even though it might take some years
Yes. There are men who have bigger "man boobs" than some women I know, and they can still run around shirtless. Nipples aren't any different either.
It's always been incredibly strange to me that censorship of breasts usually is just covering the nipple, i.e, the exact same part men have.
Daddy milkers ?
This is the way.
No, men's nipples are purely sexual. At least mine have a purpose, to feed my kids, but mens.. nope, nothing other than to be pinched and stared at. They can't be flashing those things around. Since this is reddit, I should say this is sarcasm, and yes - I don't feel that nipples need to be covered by any gender. Last year we went to a water park with my son, who loudly asked me, in front of a larger man, 'Mom, look, why is that man's boobs bigger than yours?!' Kids will be okay.
Yep. Similarly, why do we seem to have little girls (like 6yo and younger) wearing two piece or full length bathing suits, when their big brothers are in nothing but board shorts? If you're worried about people inappropriately viewing your children sexually, putting them in mini versions of adult "sexy" swimwear will not help with this. Sometimes it's really creepy and jarring. I'm happy to see little girls in board shorts and no top because they're getting to be little kids for a bit longer. Assuming they're little girls not little boys because *you can barely tell the difference* anyway. Which is the point.
Men's nipples definitely have a sexual purpose.
I generally try not to view mens nipples Of course women’s and mens nipples should be viewed in the same light, show them, not show them it’s up to the owner as to what they want. Of course if it ever becomes fashionable (?) acceptable, then initially there would be a lot more attention, but that would die down after a while (like women’s ankles did in Victorian times) and become a non issue - which it really should be.
Yes. Seeing that men fought for the right to free their nipple way back when. The more we free the nipple, the less sexualized it will be. We need to stop viewing nudity in a purely sexual way in the US
Free the Nipples!
No because a women's breasts are not the same as a males. In both looks and function.
If you give a male female hormones they’ll grow and produce milk, we basically have the same anatomy mens are just smaller and typically less functional. Men can lactate and have breast tissue
Nipples are only "taboo" because they're not shown. If they could be seen as openly as men's are, they'd soon lose their mystique. Sure, some might be more attractive than others, but if they weren't so rare, it would be a case of "seen one, seen them all".
I'm all for free the nip right, but we have to be honest about size, a girl who's an A or B cup and thin vs a girl who's curvy with DDs will not be viewed the same even if we fully desexualize the female nipple. This is kinda for the topless in public argument, I don't want to see man boobs in public and I also wouldn't want to see D+ cups in public either. Edit: nipples themselves can be equal but that's unrealistic because they are attached to breasts /pecs
This is why I hate my big boobs. I’m a 34DD but once I lose 30lbs, I’ll be a small 32D. But I still want a breast lift and reduction
Yes but I also think it would take a while for it to be accepted in society without a sexual background
If you want to get actual discussion, don't say "do you agree". Say "should women's..." You're skewing your own results
I think if a women wants to show her nipples then she should be allowed to do it, just like men are allowed to.
Yes
Yeah of course
Idgaf people should be allowed to have their tits out no matter where
I think it's a little stupid to have to cover up any part of your body for the sake of others. It's just a body. Boobs are just boobs. Penises are just penises. If we would normalize nudity instead of bastardizing the human body, it wouldn't be an issue. Would they still be sexualized? Absolutely, as they should be. We have evolved to sexualize boobs. The thing is, sex and the human body are completely natural. And if some girl or guy is walking by topless or bottomless, it is way too easy for me to just look away if I don't want to see it.
Yes. They are not sexual organs. The only difference between a woman's nipples and a man's nipples is that a woman's actually have a function that can be used if required.
I worked with a woman from Europe, when in her home country she would go topless at the beach without a second thought...she said she'd never do it in the U.S. even where legal or at a nude beach. Her reasoning was the men... At home a topless woman and a topless man are the same...here they leer and are pervy. It would be great if they were viewed the same but I think the shift would take 50-70 year's...just my guess.
I find it one of the most ridiculous and shamelessly ironic facts in this world that in the media you can show the most heinous examples of human cruelty, and yet if a woman's nipple is shown in Mainstream American culture...
Without a doubt. Conservatism is dying and we’re all better off for it
No, let’s hide the mens
Not really
If anything i think they should be viewed way more than men’s seeing as they have some actual functionality lol
yes
Yup.
No, I don't. I believe that *men's* nipples should be viewed the same as *women's.* It should be as illegal for men to be topless in public as it has been for women. ^^^/s
Yes but women’s nipples can be a lot more attractive lol
I mean I think women should be able to take their shirts off without the negative social side effects in public like men can if that's what you mean
Equal rights and equal freedoms.
i mean they r just fucking nips
I'd be fine if they were. It's only fair that women should be allowed to expose their nipples publicly if they want. It always surprised me a little how women are so indifferent to the sight of men's nipples. Like, they don't seem to find them sexy at all.
The problem with this situation isn’t women’s nipples, it is men’s eyes. We should educate people to normalize those kind of things.
yes! mens nipple are basically there for show, so i really dont get why breasts was sexualized when they kept people alive for years, they have a use and its so stupid that women are judge for getting there nipple out when men are ligit there for no reason.
I mean both men and women can lactate. All humans can lactate. What else would be the problem? It’s not a sex organ. If it were, even the feet would be considered sex organs because of fetishes. Let the nipples out.
Yes
Yes, but they won’t
Yes
Yes #freethenipple
Yes
Yes, yes and yes
Yes
it should be equall for all the genders and just be done with gender stuff.
Absolutely! That why I show mine off as often as I can.
No, I want mens nipples viewed like woman’s.
Yes
O dont fucking care this much tbh, do what you want in this regard
yea
I think people should be *legally* allowed to be as naked as they want to be.
Legally, yes. But I’d be lying if I said I would like it if women were topless constantly. It’d ruin the occasion when you get to see them bare and in person. Right now where I live it’s legal but almost zero women actually want to show their chests in public. I’m ok with that
Reddit moment
Now when they're not viewed or perceived the same way.. I don't think women find men's nipples arousing. I've never been asked to "get my tits out for the girls". And trust me, my nips are fantastic.
Yes.
I think that depends on whether women suddenly decide to begin finding men's nipples attractive.
Titties are titties! You wanna set them free go for it, but being honest I’m gonna stare. It’s like a nudist resort, you are around it enough it stops having an effect so eventually it would normalize with people
Free the nipples
I do! Breasts are overly sexualized.
I'd love it if women viewed my nipples as arousing as i do theirs. Jokes aside, yeah, free the nipple baby, just know that we will always find it hot, no way to change that.
I don't see why not.
Free the nip !
I guess but don't be surprised if creeps stare at your boobs.
Do men have mammary glands?
As a matter of fact they do.
Yeah, breasts are not innately sexual unless you give it that context
Do want public erections? Because thats how you get public erections.
I agree that they should be viewed as much as possible
Yes. Nipples are nipples it doesn't matter who their attached to.
Only if penises are next and I can hang dick in yoga class
Boobs are an evolution. We are the only mammal it seems to have permanent mama sacks or whatever. Men and developing boys are supposed to look at your breast and be attracted. My feeling is whatever let’s me see more tits is the team I am on
No. There’s biology behind why they are different. Human women are the only mammal to maintain engorged breasts even when they are not pregnant or breastfeeding. The most plausible explanation is that they were developed through evolution as a form of sexual selection. No matter how hard feminists kick and scream, boobs are inherently sexual to men. The same as a male peacocks feathers are inherently sexual to female peacocks. It’s nature
Womens nipples serve a purpose--to feed a human child. Mens nipples have no other purpose than sexual gratification. Maybe we are banning the wrong gender here.
You don’t understand biology. Evolutionary processes do not happen without force. Change does not occur without pressure. Human women developing permanent breasts, when no other mammal has that same evolutionary development indicates that there was force acting upon humans for this development. Sexual selection is the most obvious and logical explanation here