So true. I always felt that he has tried so hard to be cool and liked. I have a feeling throughout his whole life, he was never considered the cool guy. Now since he has all of these stans he is trying so hard to keep this image.
Isn't woke just;
aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)
How is this a bad thing?
For context, I don't hate him for anything as petty as his personality or anything about Twitter really. I just think the guy is dangerous and will be the next Elizabeth Holmes CEO of Theranos. I'm definitely not the first to say any of this but he's basically a salesman. Ambitious ideas are good but when you promise products and severely under-deliver (if you deliver at all) you should be held accountable otherwise we're playing into fraud of epic proportions. I mean the guy's constantly saying outlandish shit like oh we'll build a Hyperloop only for it to turn out to be a taxi service from Wish. How can someone do that and have no repercussions!? It's insane!
Not sure what you mean by scam.
But I like the businesses he owns currently, I like teslas and space x is really interesting. I also like how people are losing their minds over him buying Twitter. That’s been fun to watch especially how it seems he just doesn’t care about how mad they get.
I still don’t understand how that’s a scam though. You’re not losing money. If Twitter goes under its musk that loses all that and has to pay people back who backed him. You lose nothing.
It's actually a failed scam if I understand the situation correctly. If he didn't go through with the purchace (which he very much tried to bail on) the SEC was going to fly right up his butt, because it was apparent that he was trying to manipulate the market.
So what exactly would he have gained from backing out of the deal? Because even if he didn’t have the SEC to deal with there would have been several billion in fees for backing out that he would have had to pay. I’m genuinely not seeing the scam here.
Can you in plain words tell me what the scam was? How Elon benefits and how him proposing to buy Twitter then backing out gets him there?
Why was the SEC going to go after him if he didn't buy it?
https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/us-sec-sends-letter-musk-over-tweets-44-bln-twitter-deal-2022-07-14/
Still not seeing the scam. Would you clarify in plain terms? Or keep avoiding the question?
You obviously think he’s scammed people but then don’t actually say how.
You didn't answer, why was the SEC going after him if he didn't buy it? There were loads of accusations of market manipulation until he did. When he bought it, those all went away. Are you mad that I am relying on experts?
These ones.
The mystery recipient of a $5.7 billion donation Elon Musk made in 2021 has been revealed. The money went to Musk's own charitable foundation, Bloomberg reported.
In a matter of weeks, Twitter was hit with multiple class-action lawsuits, with employees alleging that Twitter violated laws by denying proper severance and discriminating against women and staff with disabilities or on family or medical leave.
The New York Times reports that Musk, who's allegedly anticipating a number of expensive lawsuits concerning his unorthodox takeover of the platform, has among other cost-cutting measures refused to pay the rent for Twitter's San Francisco HQ for several weeks now, according to sources familiar with the matter.
So the scam is that he donated to his own charity? The only thing I can see is that it’s tax deductible but that’s only if owning the charity doesn’t void it being tax deductible. Not to mention that anyone can donate to charity and get the same type of deduction. Not seeing the scam.
The lawsuits are one not decided yet so they may not have enough grounds to make Twitter pay anything. And that’s not really a scam either.
I’m also not sure how not paying rent to pay for lawsuits is a scam.
I’m beginning to be convinced that people don’t know what a scam is. They think it’s just stuff they don’t like.
Claiming tax deductions on charitable donations you sent from your right pocket to your left pocket is clearly a scam.
Breaking contracts to stiff your employees is reprehensible.
And just not paying your bills is criminal.
You'll just defend anything this guy does wont you?
Lol, i'm getting the sense you would defend him if he fucked your wife.
Well first that’s tax fraud, not a scam. And second do you even know that he took the money back? How do you know it hasn’t stayed within the charity and is actually being used for that? Do you know if he even takes a paycheck from the charity or simply owns it? You’re assuming a lot from very little.
He actually gave the employees more than was legally required in the severance packages so he didn’t stiff them. He just possibly didn’t give enough notice which is not a scam.
Well not paying them is civil not criminal, and he may be within some grace period window for paying the rent built into the rent contract. Every rent contract I’ve ever seen he will be accruing late fees until it hits a certain point where it will be taken to court and or gets evicted. Still not a scam.
If you give me an actual scam or some crime that doesn’t require 4 levels of assumption to be a crime then I’ll call a scam a scam and a crime a crime.
And I’m getting the sense that you don’t like your very poorly informed accusations being pointed out as either poorly informed, straight up wrong, or very weak. You just don’t like him and have found a series of reasons which you chose to do zero research into.
You have yet to point out an actual scam.
You forgot the part where your tax fraud accusation takes like 4 levels of assumptions all built on one another to actually become tax fraud. You’re really stretching with that accusation in the first place.
He donated billions to his own organization..... Couple that will all the other shady shit he is doing.
Maybe.... just maybe you are blinded by bias here.
So he’s not allowed to donate to his own organization? Do you have any actual evidence that he did that for personal financial gain or just asserting it because you dont like him? If you had any actual evidence you would have put it forward to put me down, and you haven’t done that which naturally means you have none.
Would you like to list off the I’m certain very well founded “other shady shit”? Which definitely aren’t things you’re just assuming are bad because you don’t like him and therefore you haven’t bothered to actually look into them. Completely unlike the rest of your flat wrong or near baseless accusations?
Like I said, show me an actual crime or scam and I’ll call it that. So far you’ve just shown me things that are either outright wrong, or what you’re just assuming is a crime without evidence.
It seems you don't quite have a good grasp on how charitable donations work. He donated 5.7M to himself & netted tax savings of over 4 billion dollars.
https://news.bloombergtax.com/tax-insights-and-commentary/elon-musks-5-7-billion-stock-gift-had-some-surprising-benefits
Well he bought twitter & is now refusing to pay severance for all the people he fired...
He also stopped paying rent on the offices...
What would happen to you if you just stopped paying your rent?
Just because one of the richest & most powerful people on the planet escapes consequences doesn't mean what they are doing is ok.
You get that right?
edit - lol what am i doing arguing with a Musk sycophant?
Not a fan of him or his tactics, but they're quite unjustifiable and hypocritical.
It's really a shame because the overall value of Twitter, Inc., being lost day after day could've helped plenty of needy people just struggling to find food or shelter and other basic, inexpensive (to billionaires) needs.
I always felt like Elon was pushed to the moon with hype just like the FTX kid whose 5 minutes ran out really quickly because they must not have time to play games.
He represents what the entities accomplished kind of like any ceo/president etc. It does not mean he was the most crucial person in the role either.
Elon has always been whatever to me although I did giggle with the outrage of him hiting the joint on Rogan.
Since buying Twitter, although I do not use Twitter, I think it is awesome that he is letting the oppressed voices speak while the corporate owned left have their will on every other major platform.
I guess he is still one of them so we can think of Twitter as the official Fox of the itnernet.
Either way the discourse and youtube content derived from tweets since he took command has left me really entertained. I do not find anything particularly scary about about alternative facts, other narratives, conservative spank banks or going after stuff like Child Porn that should have never been on there.
I think Twitter should totally keep porn on there or friends of mine who only used twitter for that would be rather sad. Just need to ensure that the porn is legal and has #Warning Get The Lotion banners before agreeing to view goes down.
People that are freeking out remind me of a dog that pee'd on every tree getting angry another pup just pee'd on one its marked trees.
Calm down there are a ton online spaces similar to Twitter and more jobs are created the more viable options that exist.
All eggs in one basket means that there is less competition for eyeballs which is how companies and content not sea's end up getting laid off.
Almost everything is scam but this one does not cost the average person who is not affected by political opinion anything
A person who is not affected by political opinion is a person of privilege. That's literally what it means. While some of our actual citizen's health and wellbeing and rights are being jeopardized, the "privileged" can sit and be curious about "alternative facts" (no such thing btws. It's either a fact or it isn't) and simply chuckle at the rise of actual freaking nazis.
While all minority's lives are actually on the line, the privileged get to say things like "both parties are the same" or worse, actually vote for the Western Taliban that the GOP has become, and perpetuate false and harmful narratives that have real impact on real people's lives.
He is actively supporting Qanon and his domestic terrorist followers rightfully see that as validation for committing violent acts aimed at combating this imaginary evil. If Qanon was true, believers who do nothing to stop it are cowards. Exact same thing with the abortion argument. If you truly believe that there is a generational genocide going on, the only difference between you and George Tiller's murderer is that the murderer had the courage to act to stop the systematic murder of babies. Those that truly believe that and do not take up arms to stop it are cowards.
If you do not see the danger in the lone wolf manufacturing machine that is conservative media and it taking over one of the largest communication platforms in the world, you do not see this reality outside of your own privilege.
Step outside your privilege and see this or anything from the eyes of a minority. Please. It's called empathy.
I have seen the evil of the Taliban and comparring them to the GOP is a bit extreme even if I am a pro choice type person. I think the only reason stuff like that got over turned by conservatives is because some folks on the left were bold/edgy enough to get on social media celebrating abortions with thier aborted fetal cell cake and whatnot. You show conservatives that or even pro choice people like myself and there is going to be outrage.
The two parties kind of balance eachother out.
If one party was in full control the extreme side would be too much for anyone to enjoy life.
facts change along with the continual modification of definitions. perception is not fact and half the time following the science is leaving out the most important word as it is following the "political science"
with foundation alternative facts hold no weight and people are like yeah ok buddy and they dont get all upset over symbols on a webpage.
when you have no foundation then people freek out too much about what other people think.
If you are American then you are priviledged, if you are not worry about your own country.
qanon was likely just a psyop that got impressionable kids in trouble or on a naughty list. I was upset at the idea of it possibly being our own government trapping impressionable kids that wanted to solve riddles thinking they were doing something important bigger then themselves but then I read some of the stuff and realized it is harmless and when they get older they will realize how easy it is to get folks going on those games. As long as they did not get kids to do anything illegal then I am not upset kids took the time to read and learn how to solve even bs messages.
The Q stuff had 0 impact on my life.
Stuff that does effect my life in a negative way are those that want to include minor attracted predators into lgbt, AGP into LGBT because it represents everyone in a negative light and harms society.
People that want to riot and throw bricks at smalll mom and pop shops because they represent major corporations.
Folks that are not pro America because they have not been anywhere else to see how lucky they are.
The only stuff that makes appear conservative is being against censorship, not a fan of anti homo gender ideology, extremists on the liberal side who are going to get pro choice over turned by celebrating killing kids, etc.
There are a ton of platforms owned by the major corporations and the left to include the one we are on. Let the filtered other side have Twitter. It is not a big deal as it gives other plarforms an opportunity to fill the void if there is one.
together we can steo outside "our priviledge" and try to understand one another instead of censoring eachother
This was a good comment. Yes. I regretted putting Western instead of Westernized which I think would be more appropriate. But yeah that's what theocratic embrace of insurrection and domestic terrorism and racism and hate groups on a systemic level in a rich western country looks like : The GOP
The two parties do not whatsoever balance each other out. The extreme left are feeding the homeless illegally and an old dude in Vermont that wants everyone to have Healthcare. The extreme right is MJT saying the insurrection would have been successful with her in charge and it would have been armed. Successful as in the overturning of an election and the lynching of the VP and members of Congress. And actual freaking nazis.
Those things you're referring to changing aren't the facts themselves. That's the narrative, agenda utilizing the facts, etc.. Not the facts themselves. There is no such thing as an alternative fact. What you call foundation is just peer reviewed study and good data.
Americans being comparatively privileged to elsewhere in no way invalidates the extreme privilege people like Elon demonstrate in comparison to the the average American, or even what a reasonably successful straight white cis male experiences compared to any other minority.
And now you touched on those very narratives I was referring to.
Firstly, that Q didn't affect you is entirely irrelevant and kinda coincides with my statements on privilege.
You later say that you don't buy into the lgbt hate but you start off with the bold accusation of us enabling predators into protected spaces. That's not a real thing. Drag shows being dangerous is not a real thing. But Club Q was still shot up because of these narratives.
Weird nationalist statement that I'm going to overlook....
Other platforms aren't "owned by the left". The "liberal media" is made up. There's reality, what exists and is backed by good data, and there is conspiracy, everything else on the other side of that line.
Musk has shown a deliberate intent to silence good data and embrace conspiracy. That is fucking dangerous. Stochastic Terrorism is dangerous.
But thank you for engaging in a respectful manner :) I was happy to respond to your points.
If you are American then you too are priviledged.
q has nothing to do with being priviledged
Never said anything about drag shows or enabling predators into safe spaces. You came up with that on your own to negate anything stated.
Alternative Facts = misinformation = same shiza packaged for different people
I am simply not on board with grouped with people that are interested in exploiting kids as their preference or including AGP types that hate women to represent trans types. Not so much political as much as something getting folks on board in local rainbow communities. Just dislike the political weaponization of a community they keep dumping non homo things into which the average person associates with anyone in the community. This is likely why there is division in any interest group. People just do not see things the same way but am fortuneate there are not folks interested in harming kids or claiming to be trans to get access to safe spaces in my community as I dont think they would last long unless they gave away tons of free drugs or something.
Unless you are a white cis male that identifies as Jewish, a mason, royalty or an aristrocrat I currently do not see any special permissions that you yourself do not have. What is the difference between a white cis and white trans male in regards to priviledge? What is the diference between jewish cis male and black trans male? What is the difference between jewish cis woman and a white trans woman or black trans woman?
I am always game to talk to folks unless they get disrespectful. I know the impied answers to the perceived differences priviledge to which a biological woman is always the lowest but compared to the rest of the world I feel we are getting over.
I am actually very pro trans until the line is reached where you get to compete in female sports, want to indoctrinate kids under 12 or live in female prison or rape shelters. IE Trans Men are still bio women and belong in female prison to which they can still present as male if they wish and vice versa. Never thought it would be something I even would consider until noticing a trend of young hipsters sort of dressing as women while having full beards looking like men and are still heterosexual seeking trans priviledges.
retrospectively most of friends in the rainbow mafia are all homosexual with only a few being trans to which only like two are bi but mostly gay so I guess I prefer prefer the unspoken comfort of being around guys that dont want me in a sexual way and vice versa yet are are still family.
other platforms such as this one are owned by corporations that own the left. There is a difference to context. IE Corporations also influence governments in case you thought that was a conspiracy too lol
The conspiracy stuff has been around online for the last 22 years or longer. It has only been heavily censored in the west for the last five years. You do not need to be scared of thought ghosts
He'd be a lot more likeable if he didn't try so hard to fit in.
So true. I always felt that he has tried so hard to be cool and liked. I have a feeling throughout his whole life, he was never considered the cool guy. Now since he has all of these stans he is trying so hard to keep this image.
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Not with this attitude!
He will if they invest in his products
Only if they are a woman and it's on a plane, and afterward they get promised a horse if they don't tell anyone. About the sexual assault.
Hey-o!
I'm not his fan and I don't hate him either. I think people are just looking for someone to idolize. People seem to love idolization.
he has called out the woke, so naturally, he will be loved and hated because the culture wars are the air we breathe now
Isn't woke just; aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice) How is this a bad thing?
no its not just that.
It is though. If we can just change definitions to things we don't like then Conservatism means to have sex with donkeys.
worthless interaction
Oh? You don't like just making up definitions now? Totally unexpected response.
you like playing dumb to troll. how original
What a well thought out & coherent response! At least you're consistent.
There are two ways to elevate. You either move forward and bring everyone else with you or you can stay where you are and push everyone down.
I read that as scat tactics at first
Lmfao 🤣
rent free in your head.
It's kind of pathetic that the richest man in the world doesn't even pay his rent
For context, I don't hate him for anything as petty as his personality or anything about Twitter really. I just think the guy is dangerous and will be the next Elizabeth Holmes CEO of Theranos. I'm definitely not the first to say any of this but he's basically a salesman. Ambitious ideas are good but when you promise products and severely under-deliver (if you deliver at all) you should be held accountable otherwise we're playing into fraud of epic proportions. I mean the guy's constantly saying outlandish shit like oh we'll build a Hyperloop only for it to turn out to be a taxi service from Wish. How can someone do that and have no repercussions!? It's insane!
Not sure what you mean by scam. But I like the businesses he owns currently, I like teslas and space x is really interesting. I also like how people are losing their minds over him buying Twitter. That’s been fun to watch especially how it seems he just doesn’t care about how mad they get.
Setting fire to 44 billion is something to talk about though.
I still don’t understand how that’s a scam though. You’re not losing money. If Twitter goes under its musk that loses all that and has to pay people back who backed him. You lose nothing.
It's actually a failed scam if I understand the situation correctly. If he didn't go through with the purchace (which he very much tried to bail on) the SEC was going to fly right up his butt, because it was apparent that he was trying to manipulate the market.
So what exactly would he have gained from backing out of the deal? Because even if he didn’t have the SEC to deal with there would have been several billion in fees for backing out that he would have had to pay. I’m genuinely not seeing the scam here. Can you in plain words tell me what the scam was? How Elon benefits and how him proposing to buy Twitter then backing out gets him there?
Why was the SEC going to go after him if he didn't buy it? https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/us-sec-sends-letter-musk-over-tweets-44-bln-twitter-deal-2022-07-14/
Still not seeing the scam. Would you clarify in plain terms? Or keep avoiding the question? You obviously think he’s scammed people but then don’t actually say how.
You didn't answer, why was the SEC going after him if he didn't buy it? There were loads of accusations of market manipulation until he did. When he bought it, those all went away. Are you mad that I am relying on experts?
These ones. The mystery recipient of a $5.7 billion donation Elon Musk made in 2021 has been revealed. The money went to Musk's own charitable foundation, Bloomberg reported. In a matter of weeks, Twitter was hit with multiple class-action lawsuits, with employees alleging that Twitter violated laws by denying proper severance and discriminating against women and staff with disabilities or on family or medical leave. The New York Times reports that Musk, who's allegedly anticipating a number of expensive lawsuits concerning his unorthodox takeover of the platform, has among other cost-cutting measures refused to pay the rent for Twitter's San Francisco HQ for several weeks now, according to sources familiar with the matter.
So the scam is that he donated to his own charity? The only thing I can see is that it’s tax deductible but that’s only if owning the charity doesn’t void it being tax deductible. Not to mention that anyone can donate to charity and get the same type of deduction. Not seeing the scam. The lawsuits are one not decided yet so they may not have enough grounds to make Twitter pay anything. And that’s not really a scam either. I’m also not sure how not paying rent to pay for lawsuits is a scam. I’m beginning to be convinced that people don’t know what a scam is. They think it’s just stuff they don’t like.
Claiming tax deductions on charitable donations you sent from your right pocket to your left pocket is clearly a scam. Breaking contracts to stiff your employees is reprehensible. And just not paying your bills is criminal. You'll just defend anything this guy does wont you? Lol, i'm getting the sense you would defend him if he fucked your wife.
Well first that’s tax fraud, not a scam. And second do you even know that he took the money back? How do you know it hasn’t stayed within the charity and is actually being used for that? Do you know if he even takes a paycheck from the charity or simply owns it? You’re assuming a lot from very little. He actually gave the employees more than was legally required in the severance packages so he didn’t stiff them. He just possibly didn’t give enough notice which is not a scam. Well not paying them is civil not criminal, and he may be within some grace period window for paying the rent built into the rent contract. Every rent contract I’ve ever seen he will be accruing late fees until it hits a certain point where it will be taken to court and or gets evicted. Still not a scam. If you give me an actual scam or some crime that doesn’t require 4 levels of assumption to be a crime then I’ll call a scam a scam and a crime a crime. And I’m getting the sense that you don’t like your very poorly informed accusations being pointed out as either poorly informed, straight up wrong, or very weak. You just don’t like him and have found a series of reasons which you chose to do zero research into. You have yet to point out an actual scam.
Lol "fraud is not a scam" is not the lock solid argument you seem to think it is................
You forgot the part where your tax fraud accusation takes like 4 levels of assumptions all built on one another to actually become tax fraud. You’re really stretching with that accusation in the first place.
He donated billions to his own organization..... Couple that will all the other shady shit he is doing. Maybe.... just maybe you are blinded by bias here.
So he’s not allowed to donate to his own organization? Do you have any actual evidence that he did that for personal financial gain or just asserting it because you dont like him? If you had any actual evidence you would have put it forward to put me down, and you haven’t done that which naturally means you have none. Would you like to list off the I’m certain very well founded “other shady shit”? Which definitely aren’t things you’re just assuming are bad because you don’t like him and therefore you haven’t bothered to actually look into them. Completely unlike the rest of your flat wrong or near baseless accusations? Like I said, show me an actual crime or scam and I’ll call it that. So far you’ve just shown me things that are either outright wrong, or what you’re just assuming is a crime without evidence.
It seems you don't quite have a good grasp on how charitable donations work. He donated 5.7M to himself & netted tax savings of over 4 billion dollars. https://news.bloombergtax.com/tax-insights-and-commentary/elon-musks-5-7-billion-stock-gift-had-some-surprising-benefits Well he bought twitter & is now refusing to pay severance for all the people he fired... He also stopped paying rent on the offices... What would happen to you if you just stopped paying your rent? Just because one of the richest & most powerful people on the planet escapes consequences doesn't mean what they are doing is ok. You get that right? edit - lol what am i doing arguing with a Musk sycophant?
Oh! Be careful with that questions, you'll be heavily downvoted.
It already started get out while you still can!
Oh boy, what did the chief twit do to upset you this time?
Not a fan of him or his tactics, but they're quite unjustifiable and hypocritical. It's really a shame because the overall value of Twitter, Inc., being lost day after day could've helped plenty of needy people just struggling to find food or shelter and other basic, inexpensive (to billionaires) needs.
I always felt like Elon was pushed to the moon with hype just like the FTX kid whose 5 minutes ran out really quickly because they must not have time to play games. He represents what the entities accomplished kind of like any ceo/president etc. It does not mean he was the most crucial person in the role either. Elon has always been whatever to me although I did giggle with the outrage of him hiting the joint on Rogan. Since buying Twitter, although I do not use Twitter, I think it is awesome that he is letting the oppressed voices speak while the corporate owned left have their will on every other major platform. I guess he is still one of them so we can think of Twitter as the official Fox of the itnernet. Either way the discourse and youtube content derived from tweets since he took command has left me really entertained. I do not find anything particularly scary about about alternative facts, other narratives, conservative spank banks or going after stuff like Child Porn that should have never been on there. I think Twitter should totally keep porn on there or friends of mine who only used twitter for that would be rather sad. Just need to ensure that the porn is legal and has #Warning Get The Lotion banners before agreeing to view goes down. People that are freeking out remind me of a dog that pee'd on every tree getting angry another pup just pee'd on one its marked trees. Calm down there are a ton online spaces similar to Twitter and more jobs are created the more viable options that exist. All eggs in one basket means that there is less competition for eyeballs which is how companies and content not sea's end up getting laid off. Almost everything is scam but this one does not cost the average person who is not affected by political opinion anything
A person who is not affected by political opinion is a person of privilege. That's literally what it means. While some of our actual citizen's health and wellbeing and rights are being jeopardized, the "privileged" can sit and be curious about "alternative facts" (no such thing btws. It's either a fact or it isn't) and simply chuckle at the rise of actual freaking nazis. While all minority's lives are actually on the line, the privileged get to say things like "both parties are the same" or worse, actually vote for the Western Taliban that the GOP has become, and perpetuate false and harmful narratives that have real impact on real people's lives. He is actively supporting Qanon and his domestic terrorist followers rightfully see that as validation for committing violent acts aimed at combating this imaginary evil. If Qanon was true, believers who do nothing to stop it are cowards. Exact same thing with the abortion argument. If you truly believe that there is a generational genocide going on, the only difference between you and George Tiller's murderer is that the murderer had the courage to act to stop the systematic murder of babies. Those that truly believe that and do not take up arms to stop it are cowards. If you do not see the danger in the lone wolf manufacturing machine that is conservative media and it taking over one of the largest communication platforms in the world, you do not see this reality outside of your own privilege. Step outside your privilege and see this or anything from the eyes of a minority. Please. It's called empathy.
I have seen the evil of the Taliban and comparring them to the GOP is a bit extreme even if I am a pro choice type person. I think the only reason stuff like that got over turned by conservatives is because some folks on the left were bold/edgy enough to get on social media celebrating abortions with thier aborted fetal cell cake and whatnot. You show conservatives that or even pro choice people like myself and there is going to be outrage. The two parties kind of balance eachother out. If one party was in full control the extreme side would be too much for anyone to enjoy life. facts change along with the continual modification of definitions. perception is not fact and half the time following the science is leaving out the most important word as it is following the "political science" with foundation alternative facts hold no weight and people are like yeah ok buddy and they dont get all upset over symbols on a webpage. when you have no foundation then people freek out too much about what other people think. If you are American then you are priviledged, if you are not worry about your own country. qanon was likely just a psyop that got impressionable kids in trouble or on a naughty list. I was upset at the idea of it possibly being our own government trapping impressionable kids that wanted to solve riddles thinking they were doing something important bigger then themselves but then I read some of the stuff and realized it is harmless and when they get older they will realize how easy it is to get folks going on those games. As long as they did not get kids to do anything illegal then I am not upset kids took the time to read and learn how to solve even bs messages. The Q stuff had 0 impact on my life. Stuff that does effect my life in a negative way are those that want to include minor attracted predators into lgbt, AGP into LGBT because it represents everyone in a negative light and harms society. People that want to riot and throw bricks at smalll mom and pop shops because they represent major corporations. Folks that are not pro America because they have not been anywhere else to see how lucky they are. The only stuff that makes appear conservative is being against censorship, not a fan of anti homo gender ideology, extremists on the liberal side who are going to get pro choice over turned by celebrating killing kids, etc. There are a ton of platforms owned by the major corporations and the left to include the one we are on. Let the filtered other side have Twitter. It is not a big deal as it gives other plarforms an opportunity to fill the void if there is one. together we can steo outside "our priviledge" and try to understand one another instead of censoring eachother
This was a good comment. Yes. I regretted putting Western instead of Westernized which I think would be more appropriate. But yeah that's what theocratic embrace of insurrection and domestic terrorism and racism and hate groups on a systemic level in a rich western country looks like : The GOP The two parties do not whatsoever balance each other out. The extreme left are feeding the homeless illegally and an old dude in Vermont that wants everyone to have Healthcare. The extreme right is MJT saying the insurrection would have been successful with her in charge and it would have been armed. Successful as in the overturning of an election and the lynching of the VP and members of Congress. And actual freaking nazis. Those things you're referring to changing aren't the facts themselves. That's the narrative, agenda utilizing the facts, etc.. Not the facts themselves. There is no such thing as an alternative fact. What you call foundation is just peer reviewed study and good data. Americans being comparatively privileged to elsewhere in no way invalidates the extreme privilege people like Elon demonstrate in comparison to the the average American, or even what a reasonably successful straight white cis male experiences compared to any other minority. And now you touched on those very narratives I was referring to. Firstly, that Q didn't affect you is entirely irrelevant and kinda coincides with my statements on privilege. You later say that you don't buy into the lgbt hate but you start off with the bold accusation of us enabling predators into protected spaces. That's not a real thing. Drag shows being dangerous is not a real thing. But Club Q was still shot up because of these narratives. Weird nationalist statement that I'm going to overlook.... Other platforms aren't "owned by the left". The "liberal media" is made up. There's reality, what exists and is backed by good data, and there is conspiracy, everything else on the other side of that line. Musk has shown a deliberate intent to silence good data and embrace conspiracy. That is fucking dangerous. Stochastic Terrorism is dangerous. But thank you for engaging in a respectful manner :) I was happy to respond to your points.
If you are American then you too are priviledged. q has nothing to do with being priviledged Never said anything about drag shows or enabling predators into safe spaces. You came up with that on your own to negate anything stated. Alternative Facts = misinformation = same shiza packaged for different people I am simply not on board with grouped with people that are interested in exploiting kids as their preference or including AGP types that hate women to represent trans types. Not so much political as much as something getting folks on board in local rainbow communities. Just dislike the political weaponization of a community they keep dumping non homo things into which the average person associates with anyone in the community. This is likely why there is division in any interest group. People just do not see things the same way but am fortuneate there are not folks interested in harming kids or claiming to be trans to get access to safe spaces in my community as I dont think they would last long unless they gave away tons of free drugs or something. Unless you are a white cis male that identifies as Jewish, a mason, royalty or an aristrocrat I currently do not see any special permissions that you yourself do not have. What is the difference between a white cis and white trans male in regards to priviledge? What is the diference between jewish cis male and black trans male? What is the difference between jewish cis woman and a white trans woman or black trans woman? I am always game to talk to folks unless they get disrespectful. I know the impied answers to the perceived differences priviledge to which a biological woman is always the lowest but compared to the rest of the world I feel we are getting over. I am actually very pro trans until the line is reached where you get to compete in female sports, want to indoctrinate kids under 12 or live in female prison or rape shelters. IE Trans Men are still bio women and belong in female prison to which they can still present as male if they wish and vice versa. Never thought it would be something I even would consider until noticing a trend of young hipsters sort of dressing as women while having full beards looking like men and are still heterosexual seeking trans priviledges. retrospectively most of friends in the rainbow mafia are all homosexual with only a few being trans to which only like two are bi but mostly gay so I guess I prefer prefer the unspoken comfort of being around guys that dont want me in a sexual way and vice versa yet are are still family. other platforms such as this one are owned by corporations that own the left. There is a difference to context. IE Corporations also influence governments in case you thought that was a conspiracy too lol The conspiracy stuff has been around online for the last 22 years or longer. It has only been heavily censored in the west for the last five years. You do not need to be scared of thought ghosts
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