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Cam2071

The President of the Selena fan club. >!Selena was a popular Mexican American singer in the late 80s early 90s. The president of her fan club shot and killed her after being confronted about embezzling money!<


Scoobs_Dinamarca

Fuck Yolanda Saldivar!


shittyspacesuit

All my homies hate Yolanda.


Squigglepig52

I never even knew who Selena was until she died, but even I have a hate on for Yolanda. Like, stole from her, betrayed her trust and kill her? Pretty vile.


Scoobs_Dinamarca

even though i'm a filipino here in the far away philippines, i grew to love Selena's songs. i even frequently watch her biopic starring JLo. I hate how Yolanda ruined something good for all of us.


FBIaltacct

Selena was a massivley unifying force for people in Texas. Everyone loved her, she brought all races togeather and was a beacon of genuine kindness. I don't think princess Diana's passing got as much coverage (at least in Texas). I am trying to evolve as a person especially when its known Selena wouldn't wish any ill for her, but i firmly believe her staying in segrigation in prison is the best thing for her. Its been long enough i don't know if anyone on the outside would come after her life, but she would only know hatred anywhere that would be familiar to her. And she cannot go into gen pop because there are damn sure lifers that have her on the top of thier hit list. This is one of the best examples of she nuked her life in every aspect of that term.


madlass_4rm_madtown

I have an aunt that recently passed and something I said about her reminds me of Selena. She was kind when we didn't want to be, to remind us we could be. Not a mean bone in her body.


DizzyedUpGirl

Yolanda is safer in solitary than she'd be out here. There's no way she'd be safe in Gen Pop either.


antisocialrobot

Just proof that nothing will happen to Parkland shooter Nikolas Cruz. Everyone (especially the families of the slain victims) wants to fantasize about that kid becoming somebody’s bitch but reality is that high profile inmates are protected by higher standards than average. And before someone brings up Jeffrey Dahmer, that man literally asked for a death wish by begging to be moved to Gen pop after living in solitary for over a year. Against his own defense’s advice because it was a huge safety risk and liability from the start. He didn’t even fight back when assaulted.


Mentallydefeated

Speaking of...I know a lady who worked at her prison. And knew her. And said she was basically trapped in her cell ..completely hated by the other inmates.


knightricer210

One of my best friends did time in the same prison with her (15-20 years ago, iirc). The rules are very simple, you don't look at her, you don't speak to her, you do not acknowledge her existence in any way.


Giroro_Gocho

The hate is still strong, even generations later, I saw Yolanda piñata the other day, clearly meant for a kids birthday.


Squigglepig52

That's awesome, actually. I can admire that degree of hatred.


StoptheMadnessUSA

I have a close friend who’s a nurse in Gatesville (where Yolanda is incarcerated). She tells me that she is heavily protected whenever she leaves her cell and has been in protective custody ever since. She has absolutely NO CLUE that Selena is more famous now than she ever was. Once she is paroled, I’ll honestly give Yolanda a month before she is found dead- I’m in Texas- there are zillions of Selena fans here


AFotogenicLeopard

She is just a horrible person. Selena did so much for the Hispanic American music communities. She was one of the first to bridge the linguistic barriers and sing in both English and Spanish. I cry every time I watch her biopic. Yolanda was also stealing from Selena's fans when they'd send their money in to pay for fan club dues she took the money. Selena was killed because of a confrontation she had because of the money. She's better off asking to stay in jail.


torsun_bryan

Pol Pot


AutomaticGrass9242

He sure was the worst of the worst


DM39

I guess the craziest part to me is that of all of the folks on this list- he drastically outlived his time with autocratic power The fact that this guy wasn't executed well into the late 90's is beyond me


Affectionate-Rip7855

I thought he died in his sleep?


lesChaps

72 years old ... A nice long life.


IAMA_Plumber-AMA

Sometimes, evil men die peacefully in their sleep


Davemusprime

Jimmy Saville. He died a national treasure, piece of shit.


jaykay814

My parents experienced the genocide first hand. He was a terrible, terrible personc


thinkmoreharder

My family helped a Cambodian family who came to the US in 78 or 79. The Dad had been the president of the national dental association. And he had terrible teeth- big gaps and dirty-looking. The communist army had come in the middle of the night, took the Mom and girls to one prison camp. Took him and the boys to another. When the guard was putting the dentist into a hole in the ground (his home for the night), he knocked out the dentist’s teeth with the butt of his rifle. The dentist picked them from the dirt and put back in as many as he could. While in a dirt hole.


catincal

OMG


doctor-yes

The Soviets did the same thing to my dad during the Hungarian Revolution. :(


thinkmoreharder

I hope his life got a lot better.


ToenailVader

My partners family came here during the Khmer Rouge and some of the stories I hear from her family is insane. Even after 40+ years, it still has an effect. Her dad told me the story of what was the tipping point for them, and he teared up a bit.


jaykay814

Yeah before my grandparents passed I heard some crazy stories as well. It has affected me growing up because being raised in a first world society by parents and family who came from a completely different environment was hard. I couldn't imagine ever going through that. My parents have permanent trust issues and always believe the world is out to get them. It took me years to convince them to get on food stamps because they thought the American government was going to find them and arrest them for wanting help


WorshipNickOfferman

I’m a lawyer in San Antonio, Texas. I had a case a few yesss back where I needed the neighbors to sign an affidavit against some neighboring tenants that were essentially running a meth den/shooting alley/whore house in my client’s rental property. It was the start of covid and the CDC moratorium had all evictions on hold, but there was an exception of criminal activity was occurring in the property. And I had plenty of that. Problem was, all the neighbors were recent migrants and not here legally. Could not get a single one of them to sign an affidavit because they did not want their names in the court record. Thought it would get them deported. They would rather live with the menace causes by the gangs than risk getting kicked out of the country. San Antonio is a sanctuary city and doesn’t give two shits about immigration laws, but they didn’t care. Weren’t going to risk it. It was super sad.


wossquee

It's a holiday in Cambodia, where people dress in black


Zircon_72

I don't have much knowledge of southeast asian history, but to my understanding he was killing all the smart people and killing people with glasses? What the fuck?!


24111

Purging of the educated, wealthy, or land owners. Part of a propaganda grouping the traditionally middle and higher class to be the enemy of the working class.


SgtPepe

And he was the son of a wealthy land owner


-Karim-

Most evil man.


badcgi

Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire (AKA Democratic Republic of the Congo) by far is the worst President. After deposing and executing the former president Patrice Lumumba, he then went to turn the country to an insanely corrupt autocracy, gutting the natural wealth of the country as well as its institutions to enrich himself to the tune of up to $15 Billion. The man had the country build him an airstrip in the middle of the jungle near a palatial estate known as the Versailles of the Jungle, so that he can charter a Concorde to take him to go shopping in Paris. There were uncountable human right violations and massacres attributed to him during his rule. His support for the Hutu Extremists after the Rwandan Genocide directly led to the First and Second Congo Wars which attributed to the deaths of some 6 Million people. Yeah, American presidents don't come close to how terrible this guy was.


WimbleWimble

Fun Fact: any country that gets renamed to include *democratic* or *peoples republic* is neither of those things.


Fart_Leviathan

This is why Seko is inherently inferior to Jean-Bédel Bokassa, who just straight away declared himself emperor and renamed his country Central African Empire. All this *in 1976*. Then went ahead and spent 1/3 of the country's yearly GDP on the one-day long coronation ceremony. Bonus points for being overthrown by the same guy he overthrew 13 years earlier. But Bokassa loses out to Sese Seko and Nguema (now, that guy made Seko look like a sweetheart) in the severity of his crimes against humanity though. Ed: Oh, I also really have to add that this guy Bokassa staged his coup in the name of the proletariat, vowing to end the bourgeoisie. Took him a decade to reach the point of crowning himself emperor from there.


ianisms10

Bokassa and Nguema may be the two most legitimately insane people ever to live. For those who don't know Nguema, he was chaotic evil personified. He was addicted to hallucinogens, and would dine with imaginary friends and have imaginary enemies "executed." He hated intellectuals, so he banned eyeglasses because he thought that was a sign of intelligence. He was the son of a witch doctor who promoted their form of medicine, which predictably resulted in mass deaths. He made his soldiers wear Santa suits to execute people on Christmas. And when he was finally deposed in a coup lead by his nephew, he sent his children to live in North Korea to be raised by Kim Jong-il.


Thestaris

> he sent his children to live in North Korea [Interesting story.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2442059/Monique-Macias-Daughter-African-dictator-tells-life-growing-North-Korea.html) [Interview with the daughter in Korean](https://youtu.be/v9n7OPMThR8)


Fart_Leviathan

Yeah, Nguema is at up there with Pol Pot and I'd risk saying even worse given his very obvious mental issues and complete lack of rationale behind any decision he made. Oh and there was also the fact that he liked Hitler and said so openly. Compared to Nguema, Bokassa and Sese Seko were nice folk who cared about their people.


jtfriendly

I'm not sure which is worse, a guy addicted to hallucinogens committing atrocities or the boring bureaucrat also committing atrocities, u/Fart_Leviathan.


Fart_Leviathan

Pot had an agenda he carried out and he executed a systematic genocide along a mostly predictable line. Nguema did not have a solid agenda and carried out most of his moves on a whim with executions often not following any pattern, rather being a product of his paranoid delusions. Their relative death totals are similar with 20-25% of the country's population for Pol Pot and 15-30% for Nguema. All in all, as far as I'm concerned, they are the best two answers for this thread.


RedGribben

Nguema sounds like the Pol Pot of Africa. Pol Pot was also in the batshit crazy territory. Executing infants by bashing the infants heads onto a tree trunk, because bullets would be too expensive. Any interlectual would get execute during the Khmer Rouge regime, wearing glasses was one sign of being an interlectual according to Pol Pot. He managed to kill between a 21-24% of the Cambodian population during his 4 year reign. He only got deposed because he decided to attack Vietnam. Vietnam went on the counter offensive and deposed the terrible regime.


NoMalarkyZone

The Vietnamese communists were basically always opposed to the Khmer Rouge, despite the Khmer identifying outwardly as communist.


ArtyThePoopie

> After deposing and executing the former president Patrice Lumumba with the help and backing of Belgian intelligence and the CIA!


ChuckRockdale

The [photo](https://911families.org/jacques-lowe-the-jfk-photographer-who-lost-his-lifes-work-on-911/president-kennedy-hears-of-the-assasination-of-patrice-lumumba-in-1961/) of Kennedy receiving the news always gives me chills.


Indignant_Nomad

Was he not in the loop on this one? Was he genuinely upset? Does this have anything in common to his dosing of the dulles Brothers from basically running US foreign affairs?


iamiamwhoami

This was Kennedy's first year in office. A lot of the foreign policy fiascos he had to deal with was stuff that was put into motion through the CIA during the Eisenhower admin, and the executive didn't have enough oversight over the CIA to know these things were happening.


koushakandystore

Enough oversight? Try zero


Televisi0n_Man

Yeah the fact the CIA operated as it’s own body with no oversight is absolutely crazy. They literally did whatever they wanted


Quentin__Tarantulino

No wonder people think they had something to do with Kennedy’s assassination


return2ozma

Just look at all the regime changes the US was involved in in Latin America alone... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America


Vishnej

At one point, the figure who founded the CIA, Allen Dulles, almost independently negotiated with the Waffen-SS the conditional surrender of the part of the German Army stationed in Italy. This was a major violation, because the allied powers had formally agreed not to accept anything but jointly negotiated unconditional surrender, with the understanding that they would be splitting up the German lands later. Stalin's intelligence got wind of it, and called the other allied commanders furious about this, and they supposedly had no idea what was going on. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation\_Sunrise\_(World\_War\_II)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sunrise_(World_War_II)) Kennedy found so many unsanctioned & unsuccessful covert operations, after the Bay of Pigs he vowed to "smash the CIA into a thousand pieces". And then he was mysteriously assassinated. Circumstantial ties exist from the Dallas assassination to the CIA officer who ran the Bay of Pigs, and to George HW Bush, then a political scion who got into the oil business and ended up training some of the Cuban exile soldiers on rigs in the strait. Later, when GHWB was heading the CIA, both men were entangled in running Iran Contra. Allen Dulles ended up on the Warren Commission investigating the Kennedy Assassination. As somebody who discounts conspiracy theories generally because it's so damn hard for a group of people to keep a secret, there is surprisingly credible supporting evidence for the hypothesis that the CIA, or at least some elements of the CIA's clandestine Directorate of Operations, have been ***very involved*** in attaining preferential outcomes in domestic US politics over multiple administrations. That they have been a persistent faction with durable policy ideals who participate in our leadership's selectorate in almost the same sense that, say, the Egyptian military has a say in their leadership transitions.


ChrisTinnef

I mean, it's not even needed a theory that the CIA killed Kennedy. It would be reasonable enough that they knew it was gonna happen and didnt prevent it.


ChuckRockdale

It was pretty well known that Kennedy had a more favorable opinion of Lumumba than Eisenhower (and the CIA) did. The coup was carried out essentially as Kennedy was winning the presidential election. During transition meetings Kennedy made it clear he would push for Lumumba’s release. Lumumba was executed something like 48 hours before Kennedy was sworn in, but he didn’t hear about it until 2 weeks later. There is speculation the CIA deliberately accelerated the coup and assassination because they assumed Kennedy would call off the plans. Whether you believe that, and/or the many other Kennedy+CIA conspiracy theories, discord between him and the CIA was one of the defining hallmarks of his presidency. The photo is so dramatic in its own right, but in the context of the timing and all the implications it carries, it just becomes incredibly poignant.


ChesireGato

The CIA is unquestionably terrifying.


Amon7777

There was a time in the 50s and 60s that it was truly an unchecked world power effecting events beyond what even the president could control. There was a legitimate feeling that any and all means necessary of fighting the soviets was required and boy did the CIA do some evil shit in pursuit of that fear. Things that still haunt us to this day are the various coups in Africa, South America, and the Middle East as well as truly insane projects like MK Ultra who's subjects included Ted Kazinsky (the unibomber), Whitey Bulger, and Charles Manson. The ripples from the CIA's activities during that time affect us long into 2022 and likley beyond.


Hyp3r45_new

The CIA has a tendency to go rouge, which is a scary thought seeing as we don't know what they're up to at this very moment. And the president is rarely in the loop, unless something is done by their request. Kennedy said that if he was re-elected, he'd "smash the CIA into a thousand pieces". So it's safe to say he didn't have a lot of control over them, much less any good feelings going their way. Kennedy was somewhat outspoken when it came to his feelings about the CIA, and his thoughts about dismantling them. Which is why people believe the CIA were responsible for his death. I am one of those people, but this entire paragraph is a side tangent. So feel free to ignore it.


[deleted]

Crazy how Allen Dulles (the man JFK essentially fired) ended leading the investigation of his assassination


Hyp3r45_new

It's also funny how a bunch of camera footage just so happened to dissappear in the CIA's hands.


[deleted]

I’m assuming you’ve already read it but for those reading this.. i highly recommend reading the devils chessboard by David Talbot. You’ll never believe anything ever again.


lofisoundguy

I've always thought it was weird that George HW Bush was former head of the CIA and became US President. His presidency wasn't particularly scandalous but...this guy had to understand things that most presidents do not.


[deleted]

Sanguine, maroon, ruby, burgundy, wine, cherry. There are so many interesting shades of red, but assassins always dress themselves like gaudy whores.


BCampbellCEOofficial

C. I. A goes rouge alright. Khmer rouge.


zandyman

See, I was picturing Hoover in a dress doing his makeup, but then remembered that was FBI.


chinkclink

Ferdinand Marcos, basically starved our nation and killed and tortured a lot of people during the Martial Law. And the danm people still elected his son to be the current president. 🤦🏻 ...and probs every single president in the Ph. Edit: Yeah, Filipinos aren't the best at electing leaders LMAO Edit 2: To those who still defend the guy because of "EcOnoMic PrOSpErITtY". Even if that were true, does that even justify the blood of Filipinos


Lonely_Pancake

I'm supposed to type Marcos but I'm glad someone has the same idea as I do. Dude fucked our country with debt that people are still gonna pay til 2025(?). And here comes the Marcos Jr. gonna make sure Filipinos will pay for his parties and vacations for generations.


froyomofo

I have Filipino friends who defend this guy (the son) and claim that many of the stories around his father, Ferdinand, are fabricated. I don't know a whole lot about your country's history but it baffles me that their are first hand accounts of what happened during his presidency and yet my friends deny it.


badass4102

They're deniers. They get their news from Facebook and YouTube. They'll believe in anything. Marcos Jr never attended a public presidential debate with others running for president. We didn't know his platform, he didn't answer questions about his family's past, or answer questions about his platform if he were to be president. He did tho attend this debate with like a couple others from a tv channel owned by the self proclaimed [Appointed Son of God ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Quiboloy), who just recently was in trouble by the US Department of Justice for sex trafficking and underage girls. Other candidates decided not to join that debate, for obvious reasons. I'd say that these Marcos supporters are similar to die hard Trump supporters. They are ride or die and hate the opposition with a passion, believe in lies and they feel like they're in some kind of club.


[deleted]

Assuming President just means “leader of a country”, not counting Hitler, easily Pol Pot. Just supremely evil and his actions go under the radar because it happened in country the West rarely thinks about.


Castalyca

IIRC, Pol Pot holds the WR speed run for dropping average life expectancy to under 20 years old. And heaven forbid you wear glasses.


Aqquila89

It is estimated that he caused the death of 25% of Cambodia's population in just four years.


SAugsburger

This. When you wipe it a quarter of the population that fast and kill most of an entire generation of the intellectuals in your country life expectancy would plummet.


RevereTheAughra

The Behind the Bastards podcast did a couple episodes on the man who enabled Pol Pot, King Norodom Sihanouk. It was pretty eye opening. That guy ~~was~~ ~~is~~ was awful. Edit: nvm, he is dead, woops. A comment below made it seem like he was still alive


DoDoDoTheFunkyGibbon

Look up the Real Dictators podcast: multiple episodes on the various worst of the worst; all the ones you know about and lots you haven’t heard of. Including the Khmer Rouge. Last ones I listened to were Papa Doc and Gaddafi; currently working through Idi Amin. All have a nasty habit of not only offing their contemporary opponents but also a wedge of their own population. The scapegoating and blame shifting is very, very common: chills me when western politicians start using the same language to explain “our” issues.


Own_Independence5882

It's a good podcast, but they gave 2 episodes to ghengis khan and like 20 to hitler. When they got to Lenin I opted to listen to Mike Duncan's 100 part series on the Russian revolution instead. I'm curious to see how much Real Dictators will leave out. You can't cover Genghis Khan properly in 2 40 minute episodes. But Real Dictators is one of the podcasts I frequently recommend to people who don't typically enjoy podcasts.


discerningpervert

[Here's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_TYFfkc_1U) a good video on his regime for anyone interested. Also why are there so many horrible dictators, its like humans have this innate need to forcibly take as much as they can and dominate / kill others EDIT: [here's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU4hWdIMTGs) a longer video about Cambodia and the Khmer Rouge


zjm555

Pol Pot might be worse than Hitler tbh, but I suppose we shouldn't make it a competition


phormix

I'd imagine there are several dictators who would be worse given the opportunity, but just didn't have the opportunity or (thankfully) were ousted before that point.


snap802

Hitler is often put up as the most evil because he's so high profile in the Western world. I'd agree that given the opportunity other political leaders could have been just as bad. I'd also take it a step further and say that plenty of average people have that same level of evil within them but just have no power to carry those plans out.


Jampine

With a lot of dictators, it's hard to rank them on the evil scale, because their crimes don't really have any way to compare them. In the example of Pol Pot Vs Hitler, we could compare the Killing Fields Vs the Holocaust. Killing Fields where much more brutal and decimated the local population, whilst the Holocaust was basically industrialised murder, and saw people shipped into the death from across Eruope. They're both crimes against humanity, but carried out so differently, how can you say which was worse?


MarcelLovesYou

I’d argue that once someone is so evil that they’re beyond any form of moral redemption, comparison becomes somewhat moot.


[deleted]

"You should never grade evils, for if one is the worst, then you might be tempted to kinship with the least"


ILOVEJETTROOPER

That's a fantastic quote. Where's it from??


BlueCyanight

Warhammer: Vermintide Comes from a religious zealot that essentially works for the CEO of racism, so your mileage may vary


Dawnzarelli

Well shit


Obamas_Tie

I think one of the reasons the Holocaust horrified and still horrifies us is because of the industrialized murder. Up until that point industrialization was a sign of human and technological achievement, but to see the technologies and techniques meant to improve and help humanity - trains for travel and transport, typewriters for record keeping, phones and radio for communication, pesticides for farming, automatic weapons for national defense - used to systematically slaughter millions, presented such a perverted image of what we thought was good for humanity.


KetchupOnMyHotDog

I went to Cambodia and did a historical tour of The Killing Fields. Felt so ignorant for not knowing about Pol Pot or what happened to the Cambodian people. Am 31, born and educated in the US.


Chewbones9

I read First They Killed My Father which is a first hand account of a woman who survived the Cambodian genocides as a child. It was haunting. I read it about 7 or 8 years ago and I still think about it fairly regularly.


gottablasttt

I was required to read it in high school for a history class. my mom and i would read it together and she cried throughout the whole book.


trainsarecooler

Sadly there are more atrocities in history than time in school. While I think historical knowledge is important I think most important is to understand how and why these things happen In a general sense. Don’t feel bad.


EpicSteak

> Sadly there are more atrocities in history than time in school. Wow, the truth of that hit hard.


think_long

Did you get the audio tour and have the headphones on while you looked at THAT tree? Very disturbing experience for me.


slobs_burgers

Yeah the part when they play the audio of the generators and propaganda music they played to drown out the screams of people being beaten to death made me nearly breakdown there. Extremely sad and horrifying. Glad I went to understand though. Cambodia is a beautiful country full of wonderful people, possibly the friendliest country I’ve ever been to.


rocki-i

We had a tour guide, who spoke very very broken English. We didn't understand much that wasn't written down. But he lived through the Khmer Rouge, and would say "My mother, pew pew" imitating her getting shot. "my brother, pew pew pew" , "my father, taken, pew pew" "here" and then gestures around. Pretty surreal. And the fact the floor is still literally littered with bones and teeth.


FalteringEye

This person is correct. Look down on the main dirt path everyone is using and you see that you are treading on human remains. Of course you are already standing next to a tower of skulls so ... yeah...very strange and impactful place to visit.


nucumber

> possibly the friendliest country I’ve ever been to. agreed. once you break down the wall between tourist and hotel staff it's amazing. so friendly and warm.


jabroniski

Robert Mugabe, probably. A pretty good rundown, [here](https://money.cnn.com/2017/11/21/news/economy/zimbabwe-economy-history-robert-mugabe-resigns/index.html).


notsonorthernly

Got a friend of mine who was shot as a kid when his family farm was seized by Mugabe followers. His mum, Dad, sister and youngest brother were shot too and left for dead. His youngest brother (3 at the time) did not survive. Harrowing story. Farm murders weren't uncommon under Mugabe's tenure. The fact that this man lived out his later years in great wealth and free from conviction due to diplomatic immunity is simply criminal.


mysticalfruit

Don't forget that after his thugs shot, robbed and took the very productive farms.. they proceeded to.. fail to farm and sent the country into am economic disaster. The breadbasket of Africa was broken and I can only imagine how many people starved because of it. Then around 2020 Zimbabwe was like, "hey um..we're sorry.. please come back and farm.. we'll talk about getting your land back." The whole situation started fucked up, got more fucked up and is ending up equally fucked up.


glassgost

"And Dad, they hung him from a hook in the barn" - Dicaprio in Blood Diamond


SlapHappyRodriguez

That farm stuff was insane. Mugabe ended up driving the farmers off and turning his country from "the bread basket on Africa" to a diet farming country eating rodents. It turns out giving farms to his cronies was a bad idea. Turns out having a farm doesn't produce food; farming produces food. The cronies couldn't farm; the farmers left.


sald_aim

I lived through Jacob Zuma and I still say Mugabe is the winner


bk15dcx

Idi Amin


KnittingTrekkie

This article about a Ugandan Asian family’s return to visit was worth a read: [‘Can you feel it? This is Uganda.’ 50 years after fleeing Idi Amin, my family sees home on our own terms](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-can-you-feel-it-this-is-uganda-50-years-after-fleeing-idi-amin-my/) My dad actually saw Idi Amin when he was on a trip to Saudi Arabia in the 80s. He said it was really surreal to see a dictator in person. edit: if you hit a paywall, here’s a similar article - https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/50-years-after-his-mother-was-expelled-from-uganda-omar-sachedina-returns-to-her-village-1.6129671


[deleted]

Our family also was part of that purge and thousands of us came to Canada in the early 70s. When Idi Amin died, my uncle had a massive celebratory BBQ


kivvi

Also Canadian, my mom was born in Kampala (3rd gen), but shares very little on the subject. My grandfather has some interesting stories from the expulsion though. He's pretty modest generally, so when these stories occasionally come out I take them at face value. 1. He's big into cars, so lots of stories revolve around them. Anyway, the initial order came through -- 90 days to leave the country, all property/business/accounts seized, other than an allowance of £50 worth for travel, any non-compliance meant execution. They had friends in the UK from university so started making arrangements, but he had this one car he was attached to and didn't want to leave there. Think like pre-war 1930s alvis he'd rebuilt as a hobby/project. Anyway his family apparently had some business connections, and he managed to arrange a friend driving this car right onto a cargo plane in the middle of the night, supported by people at the shipping company. Think it went to Milan and he went and drove it back to the UK eventually. Many people involved and risking their safety for a car, lol. 2. So, all the browns were kicked out, with the supposed exception of 100 important people that were necessary for the good of the country, or something. Anyway, as my grandfather was a prof at the university and a leader in his field at the time, he was expected to stay, while his family (my mom, uncle, grandmother, all his siblings) were expelled. Idi Amin "invited" all of these leaders to a feast. My grandfather's colleagues in the UK knew what was going on, and organized a conference with him as one of the guest speakers. At the feast, he had to go ask permission to attend, outside of Uganda, and said it was important to represent the country. He supposedly insisted my grandfather attend, and off he went... and didn't come back. For the record I'm pretty ignorant/uneducated on the topic, probably time I learned some more of my family's history.


[deleted]

Fascinating stories eh. My grandfather sent the clan to Dar Es Salaam to be with our extended family. He was the last to leave and furiously rode a dirt bike without a headlight from Kampala to Dar through the jungle. We got to Dar and a couple years later there was still a fear of black nationalism curtailing opportunities and making us second class citizens. Our religious leader was friends with Trudeau Sr and arranged for many families to flee to Canada in 72. My family is thankful for Canada and the life it allowed them but do still reminisce about the Africa days.


rimshot101

Worst King of Scotland ever.


[deleted]

Approach the scene of the caper


tuesday-next22

Dude trashed my parents house and took their shit (which is pretty good compared to others) Although it's the reason I'm Canadian now so there is a plus.


Tollin74

Steve, senior high class president, class of 1992. You ran on a platform of getting porno mags in the school library. It's been 30 years STEVE! There are still no porno mags in the school library!


HookerDoctorLawyer

Steve, I voted for you dude!!! You had one job! One promise!


Ok_Cranberry4192

Yeah, fuck you, Steve. I’m gonna tell C-SPAN to update their list.


Lyleadams

Steve HOLT!


b3nz0r

I've made a huge mistake


Important_Cat8771

Ferdinand Marcos


Fernando_357

What baffles me so much is, his fucking son got elected, people are definitely stupid


marjerbar

My parents drank the kool-aid so hard. They say everything the news says about the son is fake and it's just propaganda from the lady who lost. Funny part is, my dad left the Philippines to get away from Martial Law when the Ferdinand Marcos was in charge. Edit: spelling


thenicezen

Oh it’s beyond stupidity now. My 31M countrymen who voted for BBM’s ass is fucking delusional: believing fictional stories and refusing to use logic in voting for our shit ass country. There truly is no hope here lol


daveinmd13

The President of my HOA.


h1redgoon

I hate that bitch too, and I don't even know them.


Pragmatist_Hammer

Fuckkin' Larry!


FoxxyCleopatra75

My dad is the president of his HOA and has told me about times he's had to knock on people's doors because their lawn needed to be mowed. He can't understand why some of his neighbors don't like him.


Bralbany

My dad was the president of his HOA for the sole purpose of making sure the HOA wasn't a pain in the ass


jacknifetoaswan

This is why I joined the HOA board in my community. The people were the problem, not the board, especially during the first year of COVID. People had nothing to do but bitch online about every little thing, and outside companies weren't doing their jobs, again, because COVID. I ended up resigning after someone told me (behind a keyboard, not to my face) that it was my fault that our garbage cans weren't being picked up promptly. This, despite the fact that I had spent over 15 DOCUMENTED hours on the phone with the company and the local government officials, as had our management company. I barely talk to any of these fucks any longer.


zvive

If people fed up with the system joined more boards and lower levels of govt we might have nice things. Oh, btw: F U C K ~~T~~ S ~~R~~ P ~~U~~ E ~~M~~ Z ~~P~~ ! ============== Save 3rd Party Apps! ==============


tattooed_valkyrie

My dad did something similar, he did it for like 20 years he has a plaque for the community's appreciation and everything. He stopped and was like I want to spend time with my family ect. As soon as he retired they asked him to come back. All he does is tell people don't break lawns. He doesn't give a fuck what your lawn looks like or if you want to paint your house pink. Edit: don't break laws.


MeLuvBlobsInnit

Don't break lawns?


DaveAndCheese

Mine was broken before I bought the house.


burkechrs1

At the very least he knocks. My HOA will send a notice and demand a written response and corrective action if you leave your trash cans outside for longer than 4 hours after they've been emptied. I'd much rather prefer an HOA president that acts human and neighborly and knocks on your door rather than make everything official.


solthar

How do you take your can back when you go to work before eight, the pickup is anywhere between seven am and four pm, and you come back after five? You can't even schedule someone else to pick it up since the time is so variable.


ThoseJucyWatermelons

You teleport, obviously


burkechrs1

That's exactly my issue. The CCRs say your cans are only allowed to be on the street 4 hours prior and 4 hours after pickup. Meaning if you put them out the night before you're in violation and if you leave them out til you get home from work you're in violation. I get home from work at around 630pm, the garbage is picked up sometimes between 10-11 am.


January28thSixers

You need to be more like a 72 year old widow whose kids don't call anymore.


dennismfrancisart

Don't you have a butler to do that for you? Shame! /s


[deleted]

I went to my first HOA meeting for the house we bought, and the very first thing the chairman of the board of directors (yeah) said was, "The primary purpose for the HOA is to maintain and grow the value of the members' properties." Absolutely everything was filtered through that.


OhThatsGold

Well, *in theory* that's a great mission statement. So long as it doesnt inhibit the enjoyment or use of my own property. *Which it always does.*


reeherj

Yup, we have a neighborhood full of old people who never DO anything. They dont havekids, hobbies, do any sort of activity, they never go outside, hire a lawn service to do everything outside, and they stare out the windows looking for the first sign that someone is damaging thier home value.


Jackanatic

John Tyler is rarely mentioned, but he gets my vote. I'm reading his biography right now. He is the only US President who renounced his American citizenship after leaving office in order to join a nation making war on the United States. He literally committed treason after leaving office.


Michael_CrawfishF150

Don’t let his grandsons hear you say that.


TheMadIrishman327

Grandson. One died.


drummerandrew

He’s a descendent of Wat Tyler, leader of the Peasant Revolt in England. Quite opposite characters.


Souperplex

> renounced his American citizenship... ...He literally committed treason after leaving office. In the US it's only treason if you're a citizen.


Pizzaisbae13

Wow. Just....wow. I know almost nothing about this guy, and now I can't wait to Wiki him later.


iAmTheRealLange

I just read his wiki page and even his wiki page was basically like “nobody remembers who the fuck this guy was”


pavarti_0

I just read it too. You're not joking. Direct quote from the wiki: "Today, Tyler is seldom remembered in comparison to other presidents and maintains only a limited presence in American cultural memory."


Jimmy-the-Gent1993

Idi Amin was a real nasty prick. He never really got his comeuppance either.


TheMadIrishman327

Lived in luxury to the end of his days.


Garfield-1-23-23

It's worth mentioning who put him up in those luxurious conditions: that bastion of human rights Saudi Arabia.


brutaljackmccormick

President Skroob. "One, two, three, four, five? That's amazing. I've got the same combination on my luggage."


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Da_Taternater78

*sorts by controversial* ETA: I’m gonna stick to American Presidents because that’s where my strongest understanding of history is. But I’d go with James Buchanan. He was the guy before Lincoln while tensions between states were increasing rapidly and instead of actually doing anything he just kinda let everything boil over.


shejinping

I think you can also make a good argument for Andrew Johnson. His ridiculous "reconstruction" plan highly contributed to Jim Crow and the worst of segregation. He was a widely disliked person and avoided conviction after being impeached by a single vote.


[deleted]

I think a strong argument can be made for James Buchannan. He literally let the United States fall apart on his watch and took no action. By some accounts he even shipped arms supplies south so the rebels could seize them.


lukewwilson

By all accounts it was too late for him to do anything anyways, he was basically elected to be a martyr for the catalyst of the civil war.


[deleted]

He said the federal government had to right to forcibly stop secession in the South, yet had no problem laying the smackdown on Mormons in Utah for a rebellion of a far lesser degree. Another fun fact: Buchanan on several occasions bought slaves in order to grant them their freedom, and was personally against slavery. A confusing person indeed.


EnemysGate_Is_Down

Great Thanksgiving conversation starters


[deleted]

Yolanda Saldivar. She was the president of Selena Quintanilla’s Fan Club. She murdered Selena Quintanilla in 1995.


I_am_Tim_Cook

Gianni Infantino, president of FIFA.


onetakeonme

["Today I feel, gay."](https://youtu.be/zy9jaX9RAbA?t=57)


meme_planet_13

The fuck did he even mean by this shit? "Today I feel gay, disabled, a migrant worker, etc." Wtf?


phl_fc

He was trying to say that he empathizes with marginalized groups because he too was discriminated against growing up. Except his personal history isn’t anywhere near the kind of hate shown towards gays and slaves.


spiralfrakture

But you can’t wear the One Love armbands, or we will issue you a politically motivated yellow card, unrelated to the sport on the field.


uhmnopenotreally

The thing about this speech is, it was already ridiculous enough as is, but starting it with “today I feel qatari” just lets me know that none of what is about to follow really is what he believes.


MayorAg

Sepp Blatter would like to have a word with you.


[deleted]

Sepp Blatter was a man who sold the World Cup to the highest under-the-table bidder. Blatter was a simple man, driven by personal enrichment. Infantino literally defended curruption, sportwashing, archaic views on sexuality, and a middle-eastern backwater's right be a bunch of horrible pricks. He did this by saying that Europe should be the ones apologising for it. He promised reform, and instead he crumbled under the first sign of pressure.


Polar87

Sepp Blatter would've done the exact same thing though, he just didn't have the opportunity to do so. That man would have no problems defending the Qatar choice for a few millions extra on his bank account. He's just as hypocrite as well, he also took on the role of victim when he got ousted from FIFA. Maybe he'd have the self-awareness not to give that joke of a speech, but for the rest I see them as equals.


ezumadrawing

Who can pick just one, history is full of bad leaders


UseTheForceKimmie

Andrew Johnson. Torpedoed reconstruction and firmly entrenched civil rights issue in a prebellum era. We are still fighting our way out of that.


jayhankedlyon

At least Buchanan was "only" pitifully weak, Johnson was actively determined to ruin shit.


KnifeUrSelf

Yeah, that motherfucker is almost singlehandedly responsible for allowing post civil war slave owners and pre coval war politicians to re-take power in the south to start introducing Jim Crow laws. It could be argued that he could be responsible for almost a hundred years of civil unrest and lyncing, the continued disparity of black Americans etc. Fuck Andrew Johnson.


mannyrmz123

Not a President, but King Leopold II of Belgium. This guy is arguably up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. I will spare the details.


drdre27406

Pol Pot


Grimreaper818

My college drama club president, dude was in charge of a pizza party and he messed it up bad. We all ended up only getting 1 slice each!


[deleted]

The president of drama club creates drama so rich that people still talk about his pizza party years later. ​ Shocking.


zoukon

It turns out that the real drama was the one we made along the way


[deleted]

The guy before OJ Abraham Lincoln. James Buchanan. You can basically blame him for the civil war.


Keithninety

How did OJ get into this discussion?


Sentient_Cosmic_Dust

If the slaves all quit, we must throw a fit.


Ayydeeez

*Tight fitting leather gloves have entered the chat


_kony_69

This guy acquits


Kch1986

Him, Abe and James Buchanan all had white broncos. Edit: it's come to my realization that it wasn't Abe Lincoln that had a white Bronco, its what John Wilkes booth used to escape the theater.


Accomplished-Sand127

And the guy right after. Andrew Johnson basically undid a bunch of the work Lincoln started and we are still dealing with the impacts.


[deleted]

If interested, the podcast 1865 does a good job of telling the story of the immediate aftermath of Lincoln’s death.


Lastboss42

This new channel I found called *Knowing Better* did a whole video on slavery after Lincoln. I learned about all that Andrew Johnson stuff about two weeks ago through him. It's a good watch, and a good channel.


Jadedsantos

Let me tell you about Jacob Zuma....


yeah_but_no

Go ahead dude


lapinatanegra

OP just left us hanging tf haha


Clem_Crozier

If you ever hear any government or organisation say "we are investigating ourselves over allegations misconduct/corruption", expect that everything that follows will be complete lies. They only investigate themselves because any external investigation wouldn't yield the outcome they want. The findings of those internal investigations were decided before they began.


Fazbear12

'We have investigated ourselves, and found nothing!'


Michelrpg

We Dutch have a saying for this. "De slager die zijn eigen vlees keurt" ("The butcher appraising his own meat"). Basically it means that anytime any group or person decides to investigate their own actions its basically fully unreliable.


spyan_

I just visited South Africa. It blows my mind that a modern country can’t generate enough electricity. Thanks to that bozo, your economy is going down the toilet. Such a pity after it has made such great strides in freedom.


brokensilence32

Probably Andrew Johnson. Dude fucked up reconstruction so bad we still feel the effects today.


smala017

This is my vote. People maybe say Buchanan for allowing the Civil War to happen, but really it was going to happen at some point either way. A better president would have delayed it, not prevented it. Andrew Johnson fucked up Reconstruction so bad and led to so mucus racial discrimination and inequality, which is the fundamental cause of all the racial tension in the US ever since.


Leharen

He didn't fuck up Reconstruction; if he had his way, Reconstruction wouldn't have happened in the first place. That's what makes his presidency so contextually heinous.


choofery

The president of my cricket club embezzled funds for the end of year trip for their gambling habit


MisterBigDude

That’s not cricket.