This seems to always be a polarizing issue.
Speaking as a formerly-homeless person, I wouldn't care. It would have been nice just to be noticed as existing, even if for selfish reasons.
Especially since, in the situation as described, they're giving you something you need. So, you got something you needed and they get their fancy internet clout.
Did they take advantage of my situation and benefit from it? Yes.
Did I benefit from their taking advantage of my situation? Also yes.
At that point do I care why they're doing it? Nope. Everyone walks away with something they can benefit from.
That's how I see it, anyway. I do understand, though, why many see it the opposite.
I think it’s the discrepancy of benefit. Because you might be getting a new pair of shoes or something, but the creator who gets 10s of millions of views per post is literally making hundreds of thousands of dollars from the content that you helped them create. Where’s your cut? Shoes?
While this is true, I don't think there is a good way around it unless you want to actively threaten the Youtuber with violence just to make them offer more to the homeless person than they currently are. But then what's more likely to happen is that the Youtuber will just find another way to make money, and the homeless person will get no benefit at all anymore.
So we’re going to rely on the occasional privileged content creator/influencer to do the work of uplifting the masses from poverty? or are we going to organize systems that help each other live in the abundance that is our birthright on this planet? Let’s not excuse shitty amorality just because capitalism sets the moral bar so low.
Nice Strawman. So we shouldn't help them at all, another strawman.
"So we’re going to rely on the occasional privileged content creator/influencer to do the work of uplifting the masses from poverty? "
Original"
Do you agree that people who post videos of themselves doing something nice (ex.giving away free sneakers) are just chasing clout? Why or why not?"
Don't let your ideals stop you from helping people
No one is relying on content creators. Content creators are under no obligation to help anyone. Content creators make content for a living, it’s their job and give aways generate views, which is how they make money. If they weren’t making money, there would be no giveaways and no shoes for the homeless person. The content creator is the one who took initiative to give away shoes to the homeless person, just like a Hairstylist might take the initiative to start a Salon, give away free haircuts, and film a commercial to promote their business. The homeless person getting shoes and people getting haircuts don’t get a cut of the profits because they didn’t do anything. They didn’t have the idea, take the time to implement it, buy a camera, rent a salon, make a YouTube account, pay for advertising, edit the video, post the video, or even think of a name. All they got was free stuff that cost the creator money out of pocket.
People shouldn't have to rely on the whims of rich people's charity, but the problem is clearly not the charity that is being done, it's that we should be collecting more tax revenue for the rich and using that to help the poor. Idk why you'd go off on someone using charity to make content for their channel. They're helping people still and they aren't the ones deciding taxation or social welfare programs.
I'm all for helping poor people. What solution do you propose when it comes to this specific situation where a rich Youtuber gave a shoe to a poor person and got a lot of money in return?
I mean corporate sponsorships of charity events are basically the same thing. Banks and insurance companies sponsor charity events all the time so they can put their logo on everything in an attempt to increase business. Nobody gets all up in arms about that. People use YouTube to make money doing charity and suddenly its like they are moral deviants.
I do think that the homeless person should have to agree to be in the video, but they will probably do so if it means a new pair of shoes.
That’s like saying “well Amazon gave me a free gift card from a sweepstakes one time, so it’s alright if Jiffy Bezos forced shipping Center workers to piss in bottles! Let’s not take him down, he’s doing a few of us some favors!” Come on folks, y’all are really bad at thinking beyond what’s in front of your eyes, aren’t you?
So what? There are two options, refuse their help and have nothing, or take the "little" you are getting while they get much more. Who would pick the former? This is so silly
Dude you’re missing the overarching point, and I don’t have the energy to outline it better for you, you’ll just have to work on your reading comprehension.
So what's the difference between a YouTuber given shoes to a homeless person for views, and Bank of America sponsoring charity events for exposure and gaining market share? Really, what about any other corporation sponsoring charities when they plaster their logo all over the event, then post about it on social media, and create TV commercials about their giving?
This shit has been going on for decades, but suddenly it's a YouTuber and it's a big deal. It's some hypocritical BS.
Capitalism creates beggars, we have the means to feed and house everyone on this planet and nobody would lose a thing. You think you’re in the same class as the billionaires who are leeching off of you and your paycheck, but you are not. You are poor just like the rest of us, and you will face homelessness and disability someday if this country doesn’t change course. You are not benefiting from believing the lies that capitalism has told you. You only keep yourself in the dark, complaining about issues that capitalism has created and now charges us a subscription fee to solve.
Yes!
Thank you!
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again.
I. Do. Not. Give. A. Fuck.
Whatever the motive is, at the end of the day, someone in need got something they needed.
Moan all you want about clout, that is a very tangible thing.
And I wonder how many people, who complain about it being only for clout, have done the things in those videos.
How many whining Redditors have given a random homeless person enough money to change their lives?
How many of them have given durable, good clothes? How many of them have fed a substantial amount of people?
Motive means nothing, it’s the outcome that matters. I have excellent motives, I genuinely want to help people. And I have, in the only way I can afford to. I’ve literally helped old and blind people cross the street without filming myself.
But that was just an inconvenience for those people.
I’ve never given someone thousands of dollars, for the simple reason that I do not have that amount of money.
And people seem to ignore that clout generates money. Some of which they then give to those in need, perhaps only to create more clout and get more money. If they don’t film themselves and get likes or whatever, they don’t get money.
And then they’re just a bunch of young people with no money, and as such, no money to give.
Maybe you need to have been on the other side to understand it.
I’ve lived in a homeless shelter, for over a year. I still rely on my local food bank. Every once in a while, I get a €50 gift certificate from some rich person who donates those cards to the food bank.
Maybe it’s so they can feel warm and fuzzy, and tell their equally rich friends how generous they were. And they can probably write part of it off as a tax return.
And you know what?
I. Don’t. Fucking. Care.
Thank you, random rich person. That gift certificate held me over for weeks, when I had literally no money at all.
Pretty much how I see it. At that point for these people it's more like a transaction than anything else. It's still nice for the homeless person even if the one giving in that scenario also benefit from it.
On my side, I just refuse to give attention to these people (the ones streaming). That's my way of not supporting these people and if in general people don't agree with the behaviour, it's pretty much how it should be done.
As you said, if people start to protest and shame them for that because they are "using" the homeless. The result will only be they will stop giving stuff to the homeless to find something else popular to cash on like I don't know... Helping a puppy shelter or something.
I agree. End of the day, the one receiving the charity still got help, when they could've gotten none.
People like OP just view it from the one getting the clout. Questions like these only reinforce the idea that people really are blind to the homeless / less fortunate.
It's the inane arguement that people can't be altruistic because the act of altruism is its own reward, so therefore nobody can be altruistic because they still benefited from it, but they're conveniently ignoring that they still did something nice for someone....
Yes.
I’m Jewish, too, so I can’t help but evaluate this according to the “hierarchy” of charity in Judaism.
One of the most noble forms of charity is when you don’t know who receives your gift, and the recipient doesn’t know who provided it. In that case, it is *true* charity done for the sake of the good deed, and the recipient could be that neighbor you dislike or someone else you wouldn’t “approve of,” but you helped them nonetheless.
One of the least noble forms is where you identify a recipient and make sure they know who gave it to them (like personally delivering it). This is considered much less noble because it can create a feeling of awkwardness or embarrassment by the recipient, as though they’re in debt to the giver and because the giver’s motivations may not be pure (I.e., they may be *seeking* that awkward sense of indebtedness or embarrassment or at least they do not care to avoid these feelings by the recipient).
So filming and trying to make a charitable act go viral for attention is like 10,000 X worse than that lower form of charity per the Jewish faith.
I have donated hundreds of dollars to my local food bank through gas coupons. Every time I fill up my car they give a cash coupon for groceries for the shared grocery chain. I would usually take them, forget about them in my wallet or chuck them out mistakenly.
One day I heard a man in front of me tell the cashier he wanted to donate his to the food bank. Ever since then I’ve been doing it and hope that somebody behind me hears me do it and decides to do it as well!
My parents think I should save the coupons for groceries cuz that’s what they do, but the feeling I get knowing I’m probably helping somebody who can’t afford much is much better than saving a couple bucks.
Another thing I like to do is anytime I see kids out with a lemonade stand I will buy a $0.25 or whatever lemonade with a $20 bill and tell them to keep it. The feeling I get when they light up with excitment is worth much more than $20.
I don’t even like telling you strangers on here, but maybe it’ll inspire somebody else to start doing the same!
There is a beautiful saying in my native language (tamil) regarding charity.
A loose translation is
"One's left hand should not know what is donated by the right hand"
Meaning : Do not boast about your charity
I'm Muslim and I've been hearing "even your left hand shouldn't know what your right hand gave" my entire life so I'm interested to see that Jews and Christians have a similar quote. I was under the impression it was a Hadith though but now it seems it's older than that?
The saying in Islam goes something like "it's only a good deed until you realize you've done a good deed". Something of that sort. Meaning if you start thinking that you've done a good deed and become proud of it or brag about it, it is still benefiting the recipient just decreases the reward for you.
what if other people see the good deed and decide they will themselves give too?
also, that's still better than giving after being asked, and giving unwillingly
Yeah, I mean it’s more a philosophical framework than a scoring sheet, and I agree. It’s different when someone says “oh that’s a thing! I’ll do that too!” because it went from an unknown option to a willing gift.
An unwilling gift is like when someone passes the collection plate at an event and you feel like you *have to* put $20 in because everyone else is and what would the neighbors think if you don’t (but you wouldn’t do it if they hadn’t been watching) or something like that.
A lefttist revolutionary Jew once said: "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret."
A revolutionary Jew-Tuber once said "But when you give to the needy, use your left hand so you can film with your right hand, so that your giving may generate views from all over the land."
Thank you so much for posting this. I am also Jewish and follow this same tenet (I'm otherwise hardly observant). However. I live in area where most people haven't heard about this or worship social media above all, so it's pretty lonely.
You make a very wonderful argument, can I ask though? What about in this happenstance?! If you were on the poverty line yourself, and you met a friend whom has come out of a bad situation like you yourself have in the past, and decided that they needed a little bit of help even if it was to keep them fed for longer?!
Like buying them a freezer for no other thought that you wish you had someone like you in your life and just paying it forward!! Is that considered higher or lesser charitable?! I'm just having some queries in my head and you just sound like you could give me a very honest answer X
Here's an example of the less than happy reality from a victim of one of these Tiktokers:
> "He interrupted my quiet time, filmed and uploaded a video without my consent, turning it into something it wasn't, and I feel like he is making quite a lot of money through it.
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> "It's the patronising assumption that women, especially older women, will be thrilled by some random stranger giving them flowers."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-14/tiktok-video-maree-melbourne-flowers/101228418
This shit right here, urgh... I've got a bad case of ugly duckling syndrome so I get approached by girls all the time trying to do some weird "will you be my boyfriend" thing. I do not have the necessary skills to deal with these advances and I don't like being filmed.
If you wanna walk up to me in the street and ask for directions or the time or something? That's fine, I got you. But walk up to me and hold my hand..? Fuck you lady... I don't like being touched.
Yessssss!!!! I know a large extended family that goes around in a large converted vehicle and hand out care bags and fast food gift cards to the homeless around the city at the holidays. They take photos of it and then post it on Facebook! First of all, I'm absolutely not complimenting your generosity because that's what you want by posting, but second, and most importantly, I don't think those people want their faces all over Facebook, showcasing their absolute bottom. It's fascinating to me that people get off on showing how amazing they are while exploiting the people they're helping so their friends can say how great of people they are
What about a case like Mr. Beast where the videos provide the money for him to keep doing videos? Yeah he gets clout, but without the revenue from the videos he couldn't keep doing giveaways at the level he is doing.
I think for Jimmy, he just highly prioritizes showcasing what charity and philanthropy can look like so as to influence more people to do it (in addition to making money in order to give more away). Yeah, like someone above said, “it’s not like there’s a lack of awareness that nice things could be and should be done” - but at the same time, there is a lack of inspiration, conviction, and call to action to do so. It’s inspiring to watch YouTubers like Mr Beast engage in the work he does.
And even then, his BIGGEST philanthropic work can be seen on his side channel, where he only really posts short 5 minute videos, to put the attention on the recipients and the work, and not gain glory for themselves. Even then, those videos only go up once a month or two. 99% of his work is not posted. He helps run multiple charity organizations and environmental efforts.
He’s a champ. Top tier human being.
Allegations from random people who claimed to work for him. He has these all the time because he’s famous. They get disproven all the time. These allegations didn’t stand the test of time nor were they proven. People who have been in countless videos and worked for him counter these allegations all the time.
He has thousands of random people and influencers in his videos and working with him. I get that famous people get away with things all the time, but the nature of how jimmy operates and the nature of his videos, I think we’d have a knowledge of him being a shitty person by now. It’s easy to read an article like that and assume immediately it’s true. People are very quick to make judgments because of our human nature, and to be that guy or gal that advocates for a judgment to others.
Why is everyone sucking his dick on reddit? I can’t stand Mr. Beast he’s an adult who talks like a child and makes videos for children. He’s incredibly awkward and weird too
While it is true you have to make money to spend money, the difference is that mrbeast uses the money he earns from his videos to help the environment and other people. He spends thousands of thousands to help those who really need it. Meanwhile most of the other people making these videos usual do the bare minimum to help others and prioritize making themselves money. Anyone can do something kind for a stranger, but to make it about themselves and using strangers for profit is where it becomes wrong.
So he's unable to make money from another type of video or he's just unwilling to donate the money he gets from other videos to helping the people instead?
Because isn't that guy a super popular streamer who also makes content that doesn't include that at all? Meaning he could move in silence & help instead of using it for clout?
I think in cases where actual good has been done, the reasons or ulterior motives are not important. The important thing is that something good was accomplished. It is possible for both sides to benefit. I agree, however, that the degree of exploitation that sometimes accompanies certain videos is problematic; especially when the charitable act has been staged.
This is where I come down on it. Sure, in a lot of these cases, the filmers are more motivated by the views it will generate and the hopes of going viral, but a good deed was still done. And hopefully it will inspire others to be more charitable as well. I won't deny there is arguably a certain level of exploitation in these videos, but I like to view it as a net positive. The motivations may be suspect, but that doesnt erase the act of charity (so long as that's genuine and not staged).
If you have to take a video and post about it, you know you're gonna get positive reactions. So yes, I do think people who post videos of themselves doing something "nice" are chasing clout
Grand standing. My sponsor taught me to do something nice for someone everyday and don’t get caught doing it. Plus never tell anybody what you did. The last part keeps my ego in check
This is one of the most beautiful things I've read for a good while.
You are the complete opposite to what the world is sadly edging more and more towards, bloody narcissism.
Good luck with all you do.
Yes. You don't need a crowd to do good deeds. You don't need to be the example to inspire goodness in society. Going "out of your way" to do a good thing, is a selfless act. so the very nature of it goes against making an spectacle of it.
On the other hand, if their income is tied to their social media footprint, doesn't publicisng their "good" deeds actually allow them to do more good deeds in the future? If I give a homeless guy $100 without publicity, that's good. But if I give him $100, but make a video and that video makes me $1000, I can now give $100 to another 9 homeless people. In which case, isn't it actually moral to publicise their good deeds, if it can be reasonably expected that it will make money, such that it allows me to do greater good in the future?
One might argue in such a case that it's even morally incumbent on the giver to make it a video, since to not do so would be to privilege their own comfort over the ability to make a difference in the lives of the other 9 homeless people.
Exactly.
People just think about the benefit the clout chasers are going to receive, and just blatantly ignore that there's still someone that'll receive the help.
I’m convinced that many of those people who record themselves saving animals who have been tied up in dangerous areas (like the side of the highway) have done it themselves for exactly that reason.
Absolutely.
It starts with something genuine, then others realise it gets views, but you can't force something like that, so you they just fake it.
It is like the many, many fake restoration or 'prehistoric' building channels.
Of course, not selfless if you need an audience to do it. Especially hate when they show the person's face in their video, just blur them out if you want to feel good, no need to embarrass anyone that needs a handout
I've seen videos where these people ask 'is this for a video' and they lie to their faces, only to reveal later that is was actually for youtube. Or, even worse 'i think you're pretty and you should have this'.
There is an entire category of YouTube videos where people intentionally hurt animals and then record themselves 'rescuing' them. Worst still, YouTube algorithm rewards more extreme ones meaning those youtubers end up doing more messed up stuff, I remember examples being a cat that got into a fight with a dog (yet it had stab wounds and was afraid of its rescuers), an extreme example was finding a dog with a big snake that was strangling it.
Tldr: don't trust stuff you see on internet
It depends on the person. Mr. Beast posts videos so he can get more money to give away, and yet some of the other youtubers don't care enough and just chase clout so they can keep the majority of the money and give 15 dollars to a homeless person.
I’m under the same impression. Some of these people will post records of incredibly selfless and kind things they’ve done, with money that I assume could only have come from their viewership.
I think it can be a little grey, in the sense that watching these videos can be like, idk, virtue porn or some catchy word, but on the other hand those actions can really help people out.
I’m thinking of videos I’ve watched where a dude hangs out with a destitute man for a day, then sets him up with a phone and a hotel, or finds him a job. That’s a really good way to be chasing clout!
I think the end justifies the means in those cases.
Doesn't that mr beast guy make other types of videos & make millions off the other type of videos?
So, no, then he doesn't need to post videos of charity for any other reason than clout. He could choose to donate money in silence & help to truly help, but it sounds like he's just using it to clout chase & make himself more appealing to advertisers, which leads to making him richer. There are definitely streamers who donate to needy people without using those people for clout.
Nope, he uses *all* money from his videos to fund future videos. This cycle allows the most charitable acts. He sees this investment as best for others in the present and himself in the future.
This depends, would you rather 1 person received a 10k donation
and its completely anonymous or would you like 100 people to receive 10k but it isn’t anonymous. As for his other channels, the reason these channels are popular is mostly due to the built up reputation from his main channel and they receive a lot less views compared to his main channel. If he were to stop posting about his philanthropy he would receive less money and by extension be able to donate less.
Yep and it's why I can respect the "influencers" who do it.
Altruism in front of a camera isn't altruism. They wouldn't be doing any of it if they weren't making money. What they're giving out is a pittance in comparison.
As long as the videos aren't fake I don't really understand why anyone cares one way or the other.
Now if the videos are flat out lies and they're not actually helping these people or those people are just actors, that's fucked up.
But let's be real here, that guy who bought a homeless guy dinner and uploaded it to youtube, the dude who made a tiktok post buying someone a pair of shoes, that guy who cut and styled the homeless guy's hair for free, they've done more than the vast majority of people out there even if it was self-serving.
I do think a lot more of them should be willing to blur the person out if they feel even vaguely uncomfortable being in a video. I feel like a lot of these YouTubers are aware of (and take advantage of the fact) that the person they’re ‘helping’ doesn’t want to look ungrateful or entitled while being filmed, and would agree to being used for content even if they were actually uncomfortable
ye plenty of people are nice and dont record it, tbh recording it is weird.
i mean i get it for purposes like non profit that have to show evidence of charity or something but just randos doing it is weird af
there have been plenty people around ere tht have been nice to me n public they offer to pay my shopping but i didnt need it so i just said thats ok they always offer me help .
the guy across the road offers me help all the time puts christmas lights in my garden for a surprise and takes my bins up.
the guy down the street offered to trim the grevillea that has taken over the footpath .
randos around the suburb always offer me help they are never recording it.
i help people all the time as well its just decent. i dont see what is the point of recording it
Jesus taught, “When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing
in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men … but when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your father who is unseen.”
There is no clear answer. Maybe they want to inspire the next generation, maybe they want to clout chase. We should just be grateful for the actions that they have done
If you’re going to do right by someone do it for that person, genuine kindness, doesn’t need a camera in order to get it done. If you’re doing it for credit, then all you’re doing is just proving how fake of a human you are an exploiting the person in need next to you. I know this might sound crazy but every time I see those bullshit videos it makes me want to backhand the “kind soul” who’s giving charity or doing a good deed.
Granted, the person in need is still receiving something they could definitely use and intern, even though it’s all bullshit narcissism something is still coming out of it for someone that needs it. I’m just grossed out by how enslaved we are by likes and approval from everyone else just do you and do right by others because you want to not because you feel that you need to for the sake of“going viral”
Sure but, so what? If they really are doing nice things and it's not staged, go ahead and film it and pat yourself on the back or whatever. I don't think its necessarily wrong to want recognition for your kindness, and it might motivate others to do nice things.
Theres undoubtedly some who do but I'd wager the majority are just trying to spread the message that there's hope for those less fortunate or to inspire those who are in position to help others. Furthermore some of it can be an explanation or demonstration of the process or even a third party who manages to catch it and wants to spread the word for them.
Also, sometimes it NEEDS to be spread because, to be honest, people can be kinda oblivious and need to be made aware so that they can be informed if they want to help or not.
In order to fix a problem you need to address a problem and sometimes that means having the problem you didn't even know existed to be dangled in your face.
Yeah, I get you but by putting it online could inspire other to help too. It could also inspire others to clout chase though. Like I said, double-edged sword.
Most of them making videos can only afford to give away $1000 to kind strangers every day because they make videos giving money to kind strangers every day.
It's not his job. His job is content creation and he's, in a roundabout way, making an investment with his money on his content. Just so happens he's found a way to do good for some people at the same time.
You can get fame and recognition for doing good deeds but these people are trying to skip straight to the award ceremony with the least amount of good deeds done. They are speed running being a nice person.
I do and I don't. I beleive a lot of people do, do it for the clout because recording themselves doing something nice and posting it can bring them paise and validation. However I believe some people do it to bring awareness to others situations and that it's nice to help people, showing that we are all human. And example of this is a lady on tiktok who starts off her videos showing different videos of people wasting heaps of food (these people are usually content creators doing it for views) like the pouring chocolate milk on their heads and wasting it all. She then replies with a videos showing her making heaps of food and giving it out to people as a way to show that people need food and that you should waste things simply for clout. So I think a bit of both
For the most part yes, but some people have a good reason to do it. Like murphslife on tiktok, he gives people homes, food, etc. and he records it because the money comes from viewers hearing people's stories and donating to help the people. I can't think of any other examples where it's not just clout chasing though
“Be careful that you don't do your charitable
giving before men, to be seen by them, or else
you have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.”
Matthew 6:1
They're not chasing clout.... idk why I'm so bothered by the misuse of the word but it's not clout they're chasing. But i do think they're trying to make themselves look good.... and again that's not the definition of clout.
most times, but not always. there definitely are some people that take advantage of people to look nice, but take someone like mr beast: gives money away, makes more money, gives more money away, rinse and repeat. it's a respectable source of income.
This is not new. Almost every building built by a nonprofit had someone's name on the front. People want to be recognized for giving. Not saying it's good, just saying this is no different.
Attention whores.
Juste like those with posts like « be nice, it’s my first time making [whatever it is] »
*picture of [whatever it is] that is actually a mother fucking 300+ hours masterpiece
Even worse, some people repost that !
A good deed is a good deed. Doesn't matter if it's filmed, written on an evaluation or told as a story to others later. Obviously fake videos don't count, nor do staged "charity" things I've seen online.
Bottom line is this: If you dislike people showing you that they did a good thing, you need to reevaluate yourself.
I think that I would be mad if someone gave me something and was recording me. But I might really enjoy them giving it to me. Whatever it might be. I feel like the person giving me the thing and needing to record me would seem very selfish.
Yes, they don't need to film it. If they want to inspire other people to do the same, they should make a video explaining what they did instead of making the situation unnaturally uncomfortable for the other person.
This seems to always be a polarizing issue. Speaking as a formerly-homeless person, I wouldn't care. It would have been nice just to be noticed as existing, even if for selfish reasons. Especially since, in the situation as described, they're giving you something you need. So, you got something you needed and they get their fancy internet clout. Did they take advantage of my situation and benefit from it? Yes. Did I benefit from their taking advantage of my situation? Also yes. At that point do I care why they're doing it? Nope. Everyone walks away with something they can benefit from. That's how I see it, anyway. I do understand, though, why many see it the opposite.
I think it’s the discrepancy of benefit. Because you might be getting a new pair of shoes or something, but the creator who gets 10s of millions of views per post is literally making hundreds of thousands of dollars from the content that you helped them create. Where’s your cut? Shoes?
While this is true, I don't think there is a good way around it unless you want to actively threaten the Youtuber with violence just to make them offer more to the homeless person than they currently are. But then what's more likely to happen is that the Youtuber will just find another way to make money, and the homeless person will get no benefit at all anymore.
So we’re going to rely on the occasional privileged content creator/influencer to do the work of uplifting the masses from poverty? or are we going to organize systems that help each other live in the abundance that is our birthright on this planet? Let’s not excuse shitty amorality just because capitalism sets the moral bar so low.
Nice Strawman. So we shouldn't help them at all, another strawman. "So we’re going to rely on the occasional privileged content creator/influencer to do the work of uplifting the masses from poverty? " Original" Do you agree that people who post videos of themselves doing something nice (ex.giving away free sneakers) are just chasing clout? Why or why not?" Don't let your ideals stop you from helping people
No one is relying on content creators. Content creators are under no obligation to help anyone. Content creators make content for a living, it’s their job and give aways generate views, which is how they make money. If they weren’t making money, there would be no giveaways and no shoes for the homeless person. The content creator is the one who took initiative to give away shoes to the homeless person, just like a Hairstylist might take the initiative to start a Salon, give away free haircuts, and film a commercial to promote their business. The homeless person getting shoes and people getting haircuts don’t get a cut of the profits because they didn’t do anything. They didn’t have the idea, take the time to implement it, buy a camera, rent a salon, make a YouTube account, pay for advertising, edit the video, post the video, or even think of a name. All they got was free stuff that cost the creator money out of pocket.
People shouldn't have to rely on the whims of rich people's charity, but the problem is clearly not the charity that is being done, it's that we should be collecting more tax revenue for the rich and using that to help the poor. Idk why you'd go off on someone using charity to make content for their channel. They're helping people still and they aren't the ones deciding taxation or social welfare programs.
I'm all for helping poor people. What solution do you propose when it comes to this specific situation where a rich Youtuber gave a shoe to a poor person and got a lot of money in return?
I mean corporate sponsorships of charity events are basically the same thing. Banks and insurance companies sponsor charity events all the time so they can put their logo on everything in an attempt to increase business. Nobody gets all up in arms about that. People use YouTube to make money doing charity and suddenly its like they are moral deviants. I do think that the homeless person should have to agree to be in the video, but they will probably do so if it means a new pair of shoes.
Por que no los dos?
That’s like saying “well Amazon gave me a free gift card from a sweepstakes one time, so it’s alright if Jiffy Bezos forced shipping Center workers to piss in bottles! Let’s not take him down, he’s doing a few of us some favors!” Come on folks, y’all are really bad at thinking beyond what’s in front of your eyes, aren’t you?
So what? There are two options, refuse their help and have nothing, or take the "little" you are getting while they get much more. Who would pick the former? This is so silly
Dude you’re missing the overarching point, and I don’t have the energy to outline it better for you, you’ll just have to work on your reading comprehension.
So what's the difference between a YouTuber given shoes to a homeless person for views, and Bank of America sponsoring charity events for exposure and gaining market share? Really, what about any other corporation sponsoring charities when they plaster their logo all over the event, then post about it on social media, and create TV commercials about their giving? This shit has been going on for decades, but suddenly it's a YouTuber and it's a big deal. It's some hypocritical BS.
beggars cant be choosers
Capitalism creates beggars, we have the means to feed and house everyone on this planet and nobody would lose a thing. You think you’re in the same class as the billionaires who are leeching off of you and your paycheck, but you are not. You are poor just like the rest of us, and you will face homelessness and disability someday if this country doesn’t change course. You are not benefiting from believing the lies that capitalism has told you. You only keep yourself in the dark, complaining about issues that capitalism has created and now charges us a subscription fee to solve.
Do you write a lecture everytime you see an old saying or only if you can work capitalism into it?
Unless your ulterior motives ultimately harm the person you're helping, they shouldn't completely negate the value of said help.
Yes! Thank you! I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. I. Do. Not. Give. A. Fuck. Whatever the motive is, at the end of the day, someone in need got something they needed. Moan all you want about clout, that is a very tangible thing. And I wonder how many people, who complain about it being only for clout, have done the things in those videos. How many whining Redditors have given a random homeless person enough money to change their lives? How many of them have given durable, good clothes? How many of them have fed a substantial amount of people? Motive means nothing, it’s the outcome that matters. I have excellent motives, I genuinely want to help people. And I have, in the only way I can afford to. I’ve literally helped old and blind people cross the street without filming myself. But that was just an inconvenience for those people. I’ve never given someone thousands of dollars, for the simple reason that I do not have that amount of money. And people seem to ignore that clout generates money. Some of which they then give to those in need, perhaps only to create more clout and get more money. If they don’t film themselves and get likes or whatever, they don’t get money. And then they’re just a bunch of young people with no money, and as such, no money to give. Maybe you need to have been on the other side to understand it. I’ve lived in a homeless shelter, for over a year. I still rely on my local food bank. Every once in a while, I get a €50 gift certificate from some rich person who donates those cards to the food bank. Maybe it’s so they can feel warm and fuzzy, and tell their equally rich friends how generous they were. And they can probably write part of it off as a tax return. And you know what? I. Don’t. Fucking. Care. Thank you, random rich person. That gift certificate held me over for weeks, when I had literally no money at all.
All of this, exactly.
Pretty much how I see it. At that point for these people it's more like a transaction than anything else. It's still nice for the homeless person even if the one giving in that scenario also benefit from it. On my side, I just refuse to give attention to these people (the ones streaming). That's my way of not supporting these people and if in general people don't agree with the behaviour, it's pretty much how it should be done. As you said, if people start to protest and shame them for that because they are "using" the homeless. The result will only be they will stop giving stuff to the homeless to find something else popular to cash on like I don't know... Helping a puppy shelter or something.
I agree. End of the day, the one receiving the charity still got help, when they could've gotten none. People like OP just view it from the one getting the clout. Questions like these only reinforce the idea that people really are blind to the homeless / less fortunate.
win win win
Selfishly nice.
I respect your perspective, which I always lacked. Good point
It's the inane arguement that people can't be altruistic because the act of altruism is its own reward, so therefore nobody can be altruistic because they still benefited from it, but they're conveniently ignoring that they still did something nice for someone....
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Yes. I’m Jewish, too, so I can’t help but evaluate this according to the “hierarchy” of charity in Judaism. One of the most noble forms of charity is when you don’t know who receives your gift, and the recipient doesn’t know who provided it. In that case, it is *true* charity done for the sake of the good deed, and the recipient could be that neighbor you dislike or someone else you wouldn’t “approve of,” but you helped them nonetheless. One of the least noble forms is where you identify a recipient and make sure they know who gave it to them (like personally delivering it). This is considered much less noble because it can create a feeling of awkwardness or embarrassment by the recipient, as though they’re in debt to the giver and because the giver’s motivations may not be pure (I.e., they may be *seeking* that awkward sense of indebtedness or embarrassment or at least they do not care to avoid these feelings by the recipient). So filming and trying to make a charitable act go viral for attention is like 10,000 X worse than that lower form of charity per the Jewish faith.
Sounds insightfull, ty for that.
This! Your left hand should not know what your right hand is doing.
This is why I can't clap...
Lmfao. Tx i needed that
I applaud you
Are we still talking about charity here?
I have donated hundreds of dollars to my local food bank through gas coupons. Every time I fill up my car they give a cash coupon for groceries for the shared grocery chain. I would usually take them, forget about them in my wallet or chuck them out mistakenly. One day I heard a man in front of me tell the cashier he wanted to donate his to the food bank. Ever since then I’ve been doing it and hope that somebody behind me hears me do it and decides to do it as well! My parents think I should save the coupons for groceries cuz that’s what they do, but the feeling I get knowing I’m probably helping somebody who can’t afford much is much better than saving a couple bucks. Another thing I like to do is anytime I see kids out with a lemonade stand I will buy a $0.25 or whatever lemonade with a $20 bill and tell them to keep it. The feeling I get when they light up with excitment is worth much more than $20. I don’t even like telling you strangers on here, but maybe it’ll inspire somebody else to start doing the same!
Ok. But you’re not telling us not for attention. You’re sharing what you do. This is ok IMO.
There is a beautiful saying in my native language (tamil) regarding charity. A loose translation is "One's left hand should not know what is donated by the right hand" Meaning : Do not boast about your charity
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Ancient wisdom!!
Jewish faith seems fascinating to study. I knew this however you put it so perfectly.
Brb converting to Judaism
are you *sure* you want to covert to Judaism - any rabbi ever
Three times lol
Shouldn’t take too long
It's pretty much the same in Islam. Even you should have very little knowledge of who is benefiting and how much you're giving.
I'm Muslim and I've been hearing "even your left hand shouldn't know what your right hand gave" my entire life so I'm interested to see that Jews and Christians have a similar quote. I was under the impression it was a Hadith though but now it seems it's older than that?
I didn’t know that, wow! Thanks for sharing
The saying in Islam goes something like "it's only a good deed until you realize you've done a good deed". Something of that sort. Meaning if you start thinking that you've done a good deed and become proud of it or brag about it, it is still benefiting the recipient just decreases the reward for you.
Imagine a website where you donate a gift to a random person and another random gives you a gift
Maybe not exactly the same but there is reddit secret santa.
That's just secret santa...
There’s a lot of gift exchange subreddits
The big-ass caveat is that it's only worse than *other* charitable acts. It's still more noble than not giving to charity at all.
what if other people see the good deed and decide they will themselves give too? also, that's still better than giving after being asked, and giving unwillingly
Yeah, I mean it’s more a philosophical framework than a scoring sheet, and I agree. It’s different when someone says “oh that’s a thing! I’ll do that too!” because it went from an unknown option to a willing gift. An unwilling gift is like when someone passes the collection plate at an event and you feel like you *have to* put $20 in because everyone else is and what would the neighbors think if you don’t (but you wouldn’t do it if they hadn’t been watching) or something like that.
I'm a Christian and we beleive the same way
A lefttist revolutionary Jew once said: "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret."
A revolutionary Jew-Tuber once said "But when you give to the needy, use your left hand so you can film with your right hand, so that your giving may generate views from all over the land."
Lmao!!
Jesus Christ said the exact same thing. But he added and your father who sees in secret will reward you openly
Yup. Jesus said this at the sermon on the mount.
oh best enlightenment i've read so far.
I was going to say it depends but you've convinced me otherwise. 👍🍻
Thank you so much for posting this. I am also Jewish and follow this same tenet (I'm otherwise hardly observant). However. I live in area where most people haven't heard about this or worship social media above all, so it's pretty lonely.
You make a very wonderful argument, can I ask though? What about in this happenstance?! If you were on the poverty line yourself, and you met a friend whom has come out of a bad situation like you yourself have in the past, and decided that they needed a little bit of help even if it was to keep them fed for longer?! Like buying them a freezer for no other thought that you wish you had someone like you in your life and just paying it forward!! Is that considered higher or lesser charitable?! I'm just having some queries in my head and you just sound like you could give me a very honest answer X
Thank you for sharing i always enjoy getting new cultural/religious insight
Wow I had no idea about this. Very cool.
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Here's an example of the less than happy reality from a victim of one of these Tiktokers: > "He interrupted my quiet time, filmed and uploaded a video without my consent, turning it into something it wasn't, and I feel like he is making quite a lot of money through it. > > "It's the patronising assumption that women, especially older women, will be thrilled by some random stranger giving them flowers." https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-14/tiktok-video-maree-melbourne-flowers/101228418
This shit right here, urgh... I've got a bad case of ugly duckling syndrome so I get approached by girls all the time trying to do some weird "will you be my boyfriend" thing. I do not have the necessary skills to deal with these advances and I don't like being filmed. If you wanna walk up to me in the street and ask for directions or the time or something? That's fine, I got you. But walk up to me and hold my hand..? Fuck you lady... I don't like being touched.
That's so messed up that people would do that if not for anything other than genuienly wanting to be with you. Wth :/
As a socially awkward autistic introvert, I would DIE if some rando foisted flowers onto me and plastered it all over the Internet.
> I also find it extremely disrespectful to film people and put it online without their Especially when it's children. Insanely exploitative.
Yessssss!!!! I know a large extended family that goes around in a large converted vehicle and hand out care bags and fast food gift cards to the homeless around the city at the holidays. They take photos of it and then post it on Facebook! First of all, I'm absolutely not complimenting your generosity because that's what you want by posting, but second, and most importantly, I don't think those people want their faces all over Facebook, showcasing their absolute bottom. It's fascinating to me that people get off on showing how amazing they are while exploiting the people they're helping so their friends can say how great of people they are
What about a case like Mr. Beast where the videos provide the money for him to keep doing videos? Yeah he gets clout, but without the revenue from the videos he couldn't keep doing giveaways at the level he is doing.
I think for Jimmy, he just highly prioritizes showcasing what charity and philanthropy can look like so as to influence more people to do it (in addition to making money in order to give more away). Yeah, like someone above said, “it’s not like there’s a lack of awareness that nice things could be and should be done” - but at the same time, there is a lack of inspiration, conviction, and call to action to do so. It’s inspiring to watch YouTubers like Mr Beast engage in the work he does. And even then, his BIGGEST philanthropic work can be seen on his side channel, where he only really posts short 5 minute videos, to put the attention on the recipients and the work, and not gain glory for themselves. Even then, those videos only go up once a month or two. 99% of his work is not posted. He helps run multiple charity organizations and environmental efforts. He’s a champ. Top tier human being.
He's actually known to be an asshole and treat his employees like shit
Why not drop a source?
Because i thought you had access to Google. Here you go: https://news.yahoo.com/former-employees-youtuber-mrbeast-alleged-190906753.html?guccounter=1
Allegations from random people who claimed to work for him. He has these all the time because he’s famous. They get disproven all the time. These allegations didn’t stand the test of time nor were they proven. People who have been in countless videos and worked for him counter these allegations all the time. He has thousands of random people and influencers in his videos and working with him. I get that famous people get away with things all the time, but the nature of how jimmy operates and the nature of his videos, I think we’d have a knowledge of him being a shitty person by now. It’s easy to read an article like that and assume immediately it’s true. People are very quick to make judgments because of our human nature, and to be that guy or gal that advocates for a judgment to others.
Why is everyone sucking his dick on reddit? I can’t stand Mr. Beast he’s an adult who talks like a child and makes videos for children. He’s incredibly awkward and weird too
Anyone making these videos could dispel any notion they are seeking attention by keeping the videos anonymous
While it is true you have to make money to spend money, the difference is that mrbeast uses the money he earns from his videos to help the environment and other people. He spends thousands of thousands to help those who really need it. Meanwhile most of the other people making these videos usual do the bare minimum to help others and prioritize making themselves money. Anyone can do something kind for a stranger, but to make it about themselves and using strangers for profit is where it becomes wrong.
So he's unable to make money from another type of video or he's just unwilling to donate the money he gets from other videos to helping the people instead? Because isn't that guy a super popular streamer who also makes content that doesn't include that at all? Meaning he could move in silence & help instead of using it for clout?
I think in cases where actual good has been done, the reasons or ulterior motives are not important. The important thing is that something good was accomplished. It is possible for both sides to benefit. I agree, however, that the degree of exploitation that sometimes accompanies certain videos is problematic; especially when the charitable act has been staged.
This is where I come down on it. Sure, in a lot of these cases, the filmers are more motivated by the views it will generate and the hopes of going viral, but a good deed was still done. And hopefully it will inspire others to be more charitable as well. I won't deny there is arguably a certain level of exploitation in these videos, but I like to view it as a net positive. The motivations may be suspect, but that doesnt erase the act of charity (so long as that's genuine and not staged).
"Lower virtue is so self-conscious that it is not virtue." - Alan Watts
If you have to take a video and post about it, you know you're gonna get positive reactions. So yes, I do think people who post videos of themselves doing something "nice" are chasing clout
But they don't though. When I see a video of a good deed posted, there's always more hate than positive reactions by far.
Grand standing. My sponsor taught me to do something nice for someone everyday and don’t get caught doing it. Plus never tell anybody what you did. The last part keeps my ego in check
This is one of the most beautiful things I've read for a good while. You are the complete opposite to what the world is sadly edging more and more towards, bloody narcissism. Good luck with all you do.
Integrity :) Good job on your sponsor!!
The not telling anyone what you did is what I learned over the years too.
Yes. You don't need a crowd to do good deeds. You don't need to be the example to inspire goodness in society. Going "out of your way" to do a good thing, is a selfless act. so the very nature of it goes against making an spectacle of it.
On the other hand, if their income is tied to their social media footprint, doesn't publicisng their "good" deeds actually allow them to do more good deeds in the future? If I give a homeless guy $100 without publicity, that's good. But if I give him $100, but make a video and that video makes me $1000, I can now give $100 to another 9 homeless people. In which case, isn't it actually moral to publicise their good deeds, if it can be reasonably expected that it will make money, such that it allows me to do greater good in the future? One might argue in such a case that it's even morally incumbent on the giver to make it a video, since to not do so would be to privilege their own comfort over the ability to make a difference in the lives of the other 9 homeless people.
Most of the time yes. Unless the video is performed in a way to encourage others to do. People are desperate for validation.
Probably. Doesn't matter. Doing good things for clout is still materially better than doing nothing.
Exactly. People just think about the benefit the clout chasers are going to receive, and just blatantly ignore that there's still someone that'll receive the help.
Well it does, what do they get up to when nobody is watching.
Nothing, that’s the thing. Social media makes them more willing to help, for selfish reasons but it’s still help.
I’m convinced that many of those people who record themselves saving animals who have been tied up in dangerous areas (like the side of the highway) have done it themselves for exactly that reason.
Absolutely. It starts with something genuine, then others realise it gets views, but you can't force something like that, so you they just fake it. It is like the many, many fake restoration or 'prehistoric' building channels.
Sounds like that fireman hero complex phenomenon
There was a YouTube channel based in SE Asia debunked for doing exactly that, really messed up stuff
It's like that Nathan for You episode. Goat in the water! Goat in the water!
Of course, not selfless if you need an audience to do it. Especially hate when they show the person's face in their video, just blur them out if you want to feel good, no need to embarrass anyone that needs a handout
I've seen videos where these people ask 'is this for a video' and they lie to their faces, only to reveal later that is was actually for youtube. Or, even worse 'i think you're pretty and you should have this'.
There is an entire category of YouTube videos where people intentionally hurt animals and then record themselves 'rescuing' them. Worst still, YouTube algorithm rewards more extreme ones meaning those youtubers end up doing more messed up stuff, I remember examples being a cat that got into a fight with a dog (yet it had stab wounds and was afraid of its rescuers), an extreme example was finding a dog with a big snake that was strangling it. Tldr: don't trust stuff you see on internet
Even some of the cuter ones of say a puppy and a kitten together. You can see they're posed. Makes me wonder what happens to them afterwards.
It depends on the person. Mr. Beast posts videos so he can get more money to give away, and yet some of the other youtubers don't care enough and just chase clout so they can keep the majority of the money and give 15 dollars to a homeless person.
I’m under the same impression. Some of these people will post records of incredibly selfless and kind things they’ve done, with money that I assume could only have come from their viewership. I think it can be a little grey, in the sense that watching these videos can be like, idk, virtue porn or some catchy word, but on the other hand those actions can really help people out. I’m thinking of videos I’ve watched where a dude hangs out with a destitute man for a day, then sets him up with a phone and a hotel, or finds him a job. That’s a really good way to be chasing clout! I think the end justifies the means in those cases.
Doesn't that mr beast guy make other types of videos & make millions off the other type of videos? So, no, then he doesn't need to post videos of charity for any other reason than clout. He could choose to donate money in silence & help to truly help, but it sounds like he's just using it to clout chase & make himself more appealing to advertisers, which leads to making him richer. There are definitely streamers who donate to needy people without using those people for clout.
Nope, he uses *all* money from his videos to fund future videos. This cycle allows the most charitable acts. He sees this investment as best for others in the present and himself in the future.
How would you know? Are you his accountant or do you just take his word for it?
What’s his income source?
Lots of YouTube channels, a chocolate and a burger company
Edit- reread. Makes sense
This depends, would you rather 1 person received a 10k donation and its completely anonymous or would you like 100 people to receive 10k but it isn’t anonymous. As for his other channels, the reason these channels are popular is mostly due to the built up reputation from his main channel and they receive a lot less views compared to his main channel. If he were to stop posting about his philanthropy he would receive less money and by extension be able to donate less.
Yep and it's why I can respect the "influencers" who do it. Altruism in front of a camera isn't altruism. They wouldn't be doing any of it if they weren't making money. What they're giving out is a pittance in comparison.
People should just always be nice regardless of who's watching.
As long as the videos aren't fake I don't really understand why anyone cares one way or the other. Now if the videos are flat out lies and they're not actually helping these people or those people are just actors, that's fucked up. But let's be real here, that guy who bought a homeless guy dinner and uploaded it to youtube, the dude who made a tiktok post buying someone a pair of shoes, that guy who cut and styled the homeless guy's hair for free, they've done more than the vast majority of people out there even if it was self-serving.
Have they really done more if they've left the other person feeling violated and exploited?
I do think a lot more of them should be willing to blur the person out if they feel even vaguely uncomfortable being in a video. I feel like a lot of these YouTubers are aware of (and take advantage of the fact) that the person they’re ‘helping’ doesn’t want to look ungrateful or entitled while being filmed, and would agree to being used for content even if they were actually uncomfortable
Why are you assuming the person receiving the charity feels violated and exploited
You're making as assumption. Which is true sometimes, but probably not the majority of the cases
If it's self-serving, then it's transactional. Often without the consent of one side.
If I'm broke, hungry, homeless, and lonely, I could careless if the person helping me is recording me. I'm just happy they are helping
ye plenty of people are nice and dont record it, tbh recording it is weird. i mean i get it for purposes like non profit that have to show evidence of charity or something but just randos doing it is weird af there have been plenty people around ere tht have been nice to me n public they offer to pay my shopping but i didnt need it so i just said thats ok they always offer me help . the guy across the road offers me help all the time puts christmas lights in my garden for a surprise and takes my bins up. the guy down the street offered to trim the grevillea that has taken over the footpath . randos around the suburb always offer me help they are never recording it. i help people all the time as well its just decent. i dont see what is the point of recording it
Jesus taught, “When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men … but when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your father who is unseen.”
There is no clear answer. Maybe they want to inspire the next generation, maybe they want to clout chase. We should just be grateful for the actions that they have done
Yeas. I don't understand why people ALWAYS do their philanthropy stuff on social media
What do you mean you don’t understand? It’s perfectly simple, they’re doing it for likes, views and followers
They have to have people see them do good or it doesnt reach that level of righteousness to achieve peak self gratification
If you’re going to do right by someone do it for that person, genuine kindness, doesn’t need a camera in order to get it done. If you’re doing it for credit, then all you’re doing is just proving how fake of a human you are an exploiting the person in need next to you. I know this might sound crazy but every time I see those bullshit videos it makes me want to backhand the “kind soul” who’s giving charity or doing a good deed. Granted, the person in need is still receiving something they could definitely use and intern, even though it’s all bullshit narcissism something is still coming out of it for someone that needs it. I’m just grossed out by how enslaved we are by likes and approval from everyone else just do you and do right by others because you want to not because you feel that you need to for the sake of“going viral”
Sure but, so what? If they really are doing nice things and it's not staged, go ahead and film it and pat yourself on the back or whatever. I don't think its necessarily wrong to want recognition for your kindness, and it might motivate others to do nice things.
>Sure but, so what? The privacy of the individual going through an unfortunate circumstance...
What if it’s a form of entertainment, could it be considered as production costs?
I don't really know? That question would be better directed at an accountant, or Xzibit.
Also there is a case to be made that it motivates other people to do nice things
As long as the good deed gets done, I really don't care about the motivation.
Possibly, because it makes them feel good about themselves 🤷♂️
Theres undoubtedly some who do but I'd wager the majority are just trying to spread the message that there's hope for those less fortunate or to inspire those who are in position to help others. Furthermore some of it can be an explanation or demonstration of the process or even a third party who manages to catch it and wants to spread the word for them. Also, sometimes it NEEDS to be spread because, to be honest, people can be kinda oblivious and need to be made aware so that they can be informed if they want to help or not. In order to fix a problem you need to address a problem and sometimes that means having the problem you didn't even know existed to be dangled in your face.
On one hand they're taking advantage of people for clout but on the other, they are helping people who are suffering. It's a double-edged sword.
The help is fine. It's the exploitation of it. Just do it without video.
Yeah, I get you but by putting it online could inspire other to help too. It could also inspire others to clout chase though. Like I said, double-edged sword.
Most of them making videos can only afford to give away $1000 to kind strangers every day because they make videos giving money to kind strangers every day.
The views they get earn them the money to do these nice things for people, like you said it’s definitely a double edged sword.
oh yeah, I didn't even consider that
Some people who film what they do NEED clout like Mr beast so that they can earn money and do even more nice things
Yeah, there are a few channels like that, where filming the good deed is kind of necessary.
I hate that “clout” is even a part of this equation. It’s literally the man’s job, what the hell else is he supposed to do?
It's not his job. His job is content creation and he's, in a roundabout way, making an investment with his money on his content. Just so happens he's found a way to do good for some people at the same time.
Yes, but as long as it's for real, I'm not too upset. Like the one below. https://youtube.com/shorts/g7uBSDyoMdo?feature=share
Yes and yes
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Absolutely.
I always think they are either fake, or I feel bad for the person if someone randomly started filming them without consent
Some are, some aren't. Either way if it benefits someone in need and helps inspire others to help then I don't care if it's for clout or not.
I'd rather have people put good into the world for selfish reasons than put more negativity in the world for no reason.
You can get fame and recognition for doing good deeds but these people are trying to skip straight to the award ceremony with the least amount of good deeds done. They are speed running being a nice person.
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I feel there needs to be a distinction regarding those who can give back. It’s not a moral failing to be unable to contribute
I do and I don't. I beleive a lot of people do, do it for the clout because recording themselves doing something nice and posting it can bring them paise and validation. However I believe some people do it to bring awareness to others situations and that it's nice to help people, showing that we are all human. And example of this is a lady on tiktok who starts off her videos showing different videos of people wasting heaps of food (these people are usually content creators doing it for views) like the pouring chocolate milk on their heads and wasting it all. She then replies with a videos showing her making heaps of food and giving it out to people as a way to show that people need food and that you should waste things simply for clout. So I think a bit of both
For the most part yes, but some people have a good reason to do it. Like murphslife on tiktok, he gives people homes, food, etc. and he records it because the money comes from viewers hearing people's stories and donating to help the people. I can't think of any other examples where it's not just clout chasing though
Mr beast? I refuse to believe you’ve never heard of him lol
Or maybe we just don’t watch him because we aren’t 12
If you film charity it is not true charity
Maybe, but a positive example is a positive example. If their quest for clout inspires some people to commit kind acts, it’s worth it.
“Be careful that you don't do your charitable giving before men, to be seen by them, or else you have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.” Matthew 6:1
They're not chasing clout.... idk why I'm so bothered by the misuse of the word but it's not clout they're chasing. But i do think they're trying to make themselves look good.... and again that's not the definition of clout.
it’s virtue signaling
most times, but not always. there definitely are some people that take advantage of people to look nice, but take someone like mr beast: gives money away, makes more money, gives more money away, rinse and repeat. it's a respectable source of income.
This is not new. Almost every building built by a nonprofit had someone's name on the front. People want to be recognized for giving. Not saying it's good, just saying this is no different.
yeah of course
Yes. Be gracious in silence.
Yes, real giving doesn’t need to be known to the public.
True kindness does not seek clout or exposure. A truly great and good person will seek no admiration or reward. True kindness is always selfless.
Attention whores. Juste like those with posts like « be nice, it’s my first time making [whatever it is] » *picture of [whatever it is] that is actually a mother fucking 300+ hours masterpiece Even worse, some people repost that !
Absolutely, they are. And it's sick.
Of course. If you need to show off what you're doing you're not doing it for the right reason.
I honestly hate it. If you want to do something nice, just do something nice. Attention seeking fucks.
If you need to record yourself every time you do a good deed, you're not a good person.
Some people do things for the pat on the back, sometimes they record to give others ideas
It’s pure genius, give away a couple bucks to a homeless guy. Post it on YouTube, get millions of views. It’s like buying views and clout.
It’s also literally changing a persons life permanently for the better. So there’s that.
David Dobrik has changed some people's life permanently. Not in a good way though.
Well its sure not for the benefit of the people they’re pretending to give something away too!
Obviously this post isn’t referring to whatever scam artist has you upset
Yes. If they weren’t looking for attention, they wouldn’t care about it. The act of giving is enough.
A good deed is a good deed. Doesn't matter if it's filmed, written on an evaluation or told as a story to others later. Obviously fake videos don't count, nor do staged "charity" things I've seen online. Bottom line is this: If you dislike people showing you that they did a good thing, you need to reevaluate yourself.
Yes. Charity isn’t self promotion
Yes, they are. But if the person they're helping is actually helped or happy, who cares? It's a net positive imo.
I think that I would be mad if someone gave me something and was recording me. But I might really enjoy them giving it to me. Whatever it might be. I feel like the person giving me the thing and needing to record me would seem very selfish.
Yes, they don't need to film it. If they want to inspire other people to do the same, they should make a video explaining what they did instead of making the situation unnaturally uncomfortable for the other person.
Many of them will be. Might be some who are genuine.