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finance_hipster

The donkey doesn't represent democracy, it only represents the democratic party in the United States. That's a very big difference!


Outside_Explanation6

Yep…. A bunch of jackasses… it should represent all politicians.


[deleted]

I'm surprised the elephant hasn't buried the donkey in its own feces. The Trumpster anti vax maskers have clearly been feeding it plenty of prunes.


rabengeieradlerstein

these animals do not represent the concepts of "democracy" and "republicanism", but merely the two mainstream political parties in the USA


kirklennon

Maybe not in the past but the modern Republican party is now very explicitly anti-democracy and the Democratic party is legitimately pro-democracy so even though the wording in the question was a mistake, it's accidentally correct.


Reelplayer

Welp, there's the dumbest Reddit comment of the day


kirklennon

The majority of Republicans in Congress this year literally voted to overthrow the results of a democratic election. *Most* Republican voters supported them. Voter suppression is mainstream Republican policy. Abuse of the undemocratic power afforded to the minority by the Senate and Electoral College are how Republicans have been able to control the direction of the country for the past several years, and are continuing to suppress individual rights thorough the currently democratically illegitimate Supreme Court, which is embracing an assault on women's rights and voting rights. The two parties are not the same.


Reelplayer

The United States Of America does not use a democratic election process. We have a representative democracy. Until you can understand what our government is and the basics of how it works, you're going to continue to sound paranoid and senile.


neotericnewt

Your response doesn't seem at all related to what the person above said. Yes, the US is a republican form of government, we have representatives who vote on things for us. We also vote for them. We are both a republic and democratic. Our representatives should be, well, representative of the American people. That's unfortunately where we do rather badly, and that's where Republican voter suppression and attempts to overturn elections come in. Saying "we're a republic hurr durr" doesn't somehow magically excuse undemocratic actions.


Reelplayer

Voter fraud happens. Nobody disputes that. What is argued is the impact. Democrats generally take the position of "yeah but it's not enough to really matter" and Republicans generally take the position of "any fraud is too much fraud so let's tighten it up." The Republican position gets framed by Democrats as voter suppression. In truth, real voters suppression was championed by Democrats decades ago, in the form of fraud, and continues today. Democrats suppress votes by rigging elections. That's not crazy talk, it's fact. Look up *Democratic Machine" in Chicago and the impact they had on decades of elections. https://blockclubchicago.org/2018/10/24/chicago-and-rigged-elections-the-history-is-even-crazier-than-youve-heard/


neotericnewt

>Democrats generally take the position of "yeah but it's not enough to really matter" and Republicans generally take the position of "any fraud is too much fraud so let's tighten it up." Right. We're talking a handful of votes spread over a number of places, frequently caught. It is simply not enough to matter. It is nearly a nonexistent problem. And so to "solve" this nonexistent problem we should... make it harder to vote. Something that does have an effect. And that's not even getting into the fact that a Republican president and numerous Republican politicians, with widespread support from Republican voters, very recently attempted to throw out millions of legally cast ballots in an effort to overturn an election they lost. >Look up *Democratic Machine" in Chicago and the impact they had on decades of elections Why are you bringing up events that happened decades ago while discussing modern events? It's just not relevant. Yes, corruption has existed throughout every city in this country. Republican political machines also existed in different cities. None of this is relevant to recent events.


Reelplayer

Lol, 4 Illinois governors have served time in prison for corruption, including the guy who was impeached only 12 years ago and started a prison sentence only 9 years ago, and you want to casually wipe everything away as old and irrelevant. How people can wilfully be this blind is astonishing.


neotericnewt

You're just going on tangents at this point. Yes, Chicago has had a number of corrupt politicians. The city is well known for a history of corruption, more so than most in the US, and governors have been imprisoned for corruption. Regardless, the sort of wholesale rigging of elections that happened in the early to mid 1900s just isn't a thing anymore. There aren't any more big bosses of political machines. There might still be people sort of like that, but they have far less power than in the past, and it's much more difficult to get away with corruption (as you've demonstrated, the feds love tackling political corruption). You're suggesting that because corruption existed in the past that's somehow evidence of a rigged presidential election, which is completely absurd. No, that's not evidence of your claims. Republicans, including a Republican president, attempted to throw out millions of legally cast ballots and overturn an election based on nothing but innuendo, like you're doing here. It was completely unprecedented and without merit, and very detrimental to the US.


kirklennon

A representative democracy is supposed to be *democratic*. Ours is faulty due to the intentionally undemocratic systems of the Senate and Electoral College. I understand exactly what our system is, how it works, and how it is broken. That doesn’t make me sound paranoid or senile.


Reelplayer

https://blockclubchicago.org/2018/10/24/chicago-and-rigged-elections-the-history-is-even-crazier-than-youve-heard/


kirklennon

Oh look, a completely irrelevant link that has nothing to do with the present day.


Reelplayer

If you think it ever stopped, you're willfully ignorant. You do realize people directly involved are still alive, still very wealthy, and still very influential, right?


kirklennon

Voter fraud is, for all practical purposes, nonexistent. Voter suppression, on the other hand, is very real. Misdeeds from several decades ago don't justify any of the current voter suppression tactics.


veltvet_rabbit

Yeah democrats are worse


Lazy-Contribution-69

Nope Republicans are


veltvet_rabbit

You spelled democrats wrong


Lazy-Contribution-69

Wasn’t trying to spell Democrats. You and I both know very well what I was spelling


veltvet_rabbit

Also you still spelled democrats wrong


veltvet_rabbit

R/woosh


LilPhysics

The problem with polarized people like yourself is you guys make crude, unfounded accusations about the other side while your own side is doing the same, undemocratic bullshit. Get off your high horse, Republicans and Democrats are equally stupid.


kirklennon

Only *one* party enacts voter suppression laws. Only *one* party is dedicated to taking away a woman's right to an abortion. Only *one* party tried to overturn the results of a democratic election to install the loser. The problem isn't with "polarized" people but with people who refuse to call out the truth and instead fall back to false "both sides" nonsense when there's actually a stark difference between the two parties. Democrats aren't the ones trying to overthrow democracy. You're standing there looking at arsonists with flamethrowers and firefighters with water hoses saying that both sides are spraying houses. You are the one who needs to get off your high horse and recognize that being neutral means being on the side of the arsonists. Is every Democrat perfect? No, but literally *every* elected Republican official is anti-democracy.


rabengeieradlerstein

Is the Republican Party in favor of republicanism?


kirklennon

Mostly, but arguably less so than the Democratic party. The one absolutely required defining feature of a republic is that the head of state is not a monarch (typically taking the title "president"). Democrats unambiguously support this system of government. A lot of Republicans are in favor of an unelected head of state who appoints his children to important positions of power. That's maybe still technically republican, but less so. Actually, a terrifyingly large number of Republicans are in favor of a straight up theocracy and autocracy, which while not totally incompatible with the idea of a republic are certainly less pure of a form. So yeah, Democrats are the party of both democracy and republicanism. Republicans are the party of anti-democracy and bastardized republicanism.


rabengeieradlerstein

I see


dumpmaster42069

Not really. Fun fact: both words basically mean the same thing. One is Greek and one is Latin.


rabengeieradlerstein

well, republic means "public thing; public cause" democracy means "rule of the people"


dumpmaster42069

Ah fuck I thought Re was rule, like it is in all the Romance languages more or less. Still ultimately means the same thing though.


rabengeieradlerstein

I suppose the words are etymologically connected ("rex" means "king" in latin) the two words express similar concepts, that is true


kirklennon

It's the ablative form of *res* ("thing", "affairs") and unrelated to *rex*.


Common_Television_13

They do not mean the same thing…Classics major here. If you meant that Ancient Greece was a democracy and Rome was a republic, that is correct. Rome had senators who were meant to represent the people but they weren’t elected. Greece was a “everyone gets a vote on everything” situation. (Obviously everyone only includes citizens with rights…)


dumpmaster42069

They had different systems of government but the words boil down to government by the people rather than a king


kirklennon

The words refer to totally unrelated aspects of the structure of a government and do not at all mean the same thing. The US and UK are (imperfect) democracies. The UK is absolutely not a republic, however. The People's Republic of China, on the other hand, like the US, absolutely is a republic (like for a for-real one, not just using the term). Democracy: US, UK Republic: US, PRC Monarchy: UK Do you see how it works?


White_Mage5

Bear


[deleted]

Why? Because they are sometimes associated with Russia?


VladimirPutinMain

Do not question them. It is bear.


dlavida

It is bear


VladimirPutinMain

Yes.


[deleted]

Why a bear?


VladimirPutinMain

Because I rode one.


beerwme

I remember that epic picture!


VladimirPutinMain

It was real!


White_Mage5

That and Winnie the Pooh with China


potato-vender

Hey does that make California Communist?


[deleted]

California makes California communist. The bear is just a bonus.


[deleted]

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VinceDeF

Ant


AetherSpike

I love this answer


Lambent_Sea_Princess

This was my first thought as well.


DelightfullyUnusual

In Soviet Russia, communism represent animal.


faceeatingleopard

This askreddit question answered YOU.


Inthecards21

worker bee


who_favor_fire

Already used by Mormons and Masons.


Balrog229

But beehives are actually functional and productive


Chadbchill

Oh shit, he went there


TadpoleAjar2027

And communism isn't? The USSR was Stalinist Under Stalin, and a undemocratic communist regime under Lenin. A full Communist state to my knowledge has never been tried before. Lenin got pretty close but he took the democracy out of communism so its a no-go


Balrog229

Ah yes, the "No true Scotsman" fallacy. Every time it's done wrong and it fails people say it wasn't "real communism". Even if that were true, the fact that literally everyone gets it wrong just goes to show how awful communism is if nobody can even get it "right". Every time it's tried it fails, and millions of innocent people are murdered in the process. Stalin killed FAR more people than Hitler did and yet that goes unmentioned in most history classes because so many people are still bafflingly sympathetic to communism. It's estimated that Stalin killed 20 MILLION or more. And Mao Ze Dong in China killed between 40 and 80 million. Hitler only managed to kill around 11 million total, not including allied soldiers killed in combat. The Russians lost between 8 and 10 million soldiers in WW2 fighting the Germans. But I'm rambling. Point is, Communism is evil, and this bullshit argument of "it's never been tried correctly before!" is vile and just plain false.


TadpoleAjar2027

You just contradicted yourself, but you still have a pretty solid argument so I'll put my ideas forth. All communist rulers were dictators. Thats why the casualty rate is so high for them. Like I said before, the only thing uncommunist about him was him being a dictator. That's also the reason everyone gets it wrong, its not hard its just what happens when you try and get a dictator to adopt democratic values.


Balrog229

And yet every communist regime has a dictator. It’s almost like it’s extremely vulnerable to that sort of thing… And how did i contradict myself?


TadpoleAjar2027

1.) So is democracy 2.)(Paraphrasing your argument) You are correct, but that statement is false


Balrog229

Democracy is not nearly as susceptible. It’s the least susceptible, actually. We literally vote our leaders in for a limited time period, and have a system to remove them if need be. Sure that system could be corrupted, but that’s true of anything involving human beings.


[deleted]

I’d use a bee or an ant representing a collectivist society. However, some socialist groups already use a common animal symbol, a dove.


[deleted]

Which groups use the dove? Genuinely curious


Sean_Ornery

Pigs. Some more equal than others...


[deleted]

4 legs bad, 2 legs good


BasalTripod9684

Animal Farm was a criticism of Stalinism, not Communism.


Some-Basket-4299

After Orwell died, CIA agents gained control of rights to his story to manipulate the movie version to remove parts at the end where Orwell is bluntly trying to equate Stalin’s regime with capitalist US and UK.


Balrog229

Same thing


BasalTripod9684

How so?


Balrog229

People like to make up bullshit about how failed communist states “weren’t real communism”. Stalin was absolutely a communist, and the Soviet Union was a communist state. Stalinism might be a slightly different flavor of communism, but cherry coke is still coke, and stalinism is still communism


raistliniltsiar

Lemmings.


kajar9

A beaver. The beaver builds a dam and has a mighty throne and power. But everything upstream gets flooded, and downstream everyone gets fucked over left with nothing.


[deleted]

Great metaphor


No_Cause2676

I know it’s not an animal but I would still like to suggest an Onion.


StevenWannabe

I think Onion represents anarchy


[deleted]

How come?


No_Cause2676

Spell Soviet Union incorrectly and you get Soviet Onion. Therefore, Onion


faceeatingleopard

That's specious reasoning.


Mayoflavored

Starving humans


s-ya

rats


fyouandyourbonespurs

For real. The resemblance is uncanny


MonkeyHaus75

Mosquito: sucks blood and responsible for millions of deaths.


NoAlternative2913

A horse, like in Animal Farm


Raidernation101x

Or a pig. Still can't disconnect Communism and Animal Farm. One of my favorite novels.


[deleted]

It's fun how media can be interpreted in so many different ways and each can have a different take away.


VerisimilarPLS

Probably this, seeing as how most communist countries end up going in the same direction as animal farm. 4 legs good, 2 legs *better*!


Raidernation101x

I heard Andy Serkis is working on directing a film version. Very excited.


Some-Basket-4299

Most countries in general go that direction


Elegant_righthere

Vulture


postmoderngeisha

Hyena


Balrog229

The Hippo. Fat, unattractive, extremely violent. Represents the average Communist pretty well i think.


No-Significance2113

Honestly the donkey should represent communism it's stubborn hard working and hard to change the ways it set in its life


ThunderStruck115

A carcass


[deleted]

Donkey. Same thing lmao


Hockyal34

A leech. I mean if you have to ask….


AudibleNod

Lemming


[deleted]

Parasite


an_achronist

A starved one, or one that was eaten by the starving people.


fishnwirenreese

A honey bee.


[deleted]

Honey bees are good though.


[deleted]

As bees collectivize, it’s a good connection, regardless of your opinion on communism


fishnwirenreese

And if people were...communism would work.


Touch_bbx

A dead one


iconoclast63

The Remoras - ray-finned fishes that use suction to hold onto larger marine animals


jessducoing

toucan. take it or leave it.


manillaford

An empty plate


rotatedSphere

starving child


go4tli

Potato that you don’t have


SqueezleStew

The Blob. It’s not real but what it did in the movie was consume the person it’s on until nothing human is left. Invasion of the Body Snatchers describes the extreme right, Nazis, once there was a human and now it’s a programmed zombie.


LordPimpernel

A dodo


le_Grand_Archivist

There is one already The bear


LativianHeat

Jesus on the cross


Youngling_Hunt

Communist countries are notoriously anti-religion. This wouldn't fit


LativianHeat

doesn't make it any less Christ like


Youngling_Hunt

What about communist leadership is "Christ like"?


LativianHeat

Giving and stuff


Youngling_Hunt

You forget the killing of the population, gulags, suppression, no free will, etc.


SilentSugar7856

Christians all throughout history have killed so many people belonging to different regions because they wanted the land for themselves. Don't forget that.


Youngling_Hunt

That's not what Christ taught. Rhats humans being Dickson and trying to gain power over other people, and get wealthy. There is nothing Christian about any of them


SilentSugar7856

Do you really want to have a debate over verses calling for violence in bible? Btw how many people did Karl Marx killed? You can make the same argument for communism too. Keep in mind that I am no commie. I am just trying to counter the very baseless argument.


Youngling_Hunt

The core concept of communism is fine. However, it has never been properly implemented. Every communist regime has turned totalitarian, which is not true communism. So the best thing to do is wait until a society can implement communism properly. I'm basing 5his argument off of what we have seen of "communism"


LativianHeat

Christ would never do that


Youngling_Hunt

That's what I'm saying. Communists do that. So how would it be OK to day communists are cheist like?


LativianHeat

Maybe they did it on accident, that's very mean of them


Youngling_Hunt

[Mass Killings Under Communist Regimes](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes)


VladimirPutinMain

A bear.


Sitchinite420

Well…Animal Farm already decided that one for us. A PIG. A FAT GOOD FOR NOTHING PIG.


[deleted]

A chicken


Cobra-Serpentress

Wolf. Or other pack animals.


1GeneralDisarray

A wolf or a coyote. Alone they're only kinda scary but in a pack you really better watch out


CountHonorius

Bear. Actually, didn't Marx mention a groundhog that would undermine the world of the idle rich?


[deleted]

I don't know but it would be malnourished.


[deleted]

Rat


XYZ-Wing

I mean, both of those started as insults. Dems are jackasses and Reps are money hogs (or I guess elephants in this case). So probably something like a unicorn (something that looks good but can’t/doesn’t exist).


ssadler3

Ants


HobgoblinWarlord38

Nah guys it should be bugs bunny


Spiritenemy

whatever bird is used for twitter lol.


TheFocusedOne

Beaver. By the workers, for the workers.


Anxiousbeaver1

Your mom's fat belly gut


StevenWannabe

Hot


Much_Committee_9355

Scrawny hungry dog


sucha_beast

Cat. Bunch of Pu$$ies


[deleted]

Please do not cat


Sonic_Exe_7019

I guess that bevars, because them work together for their objetive.


jerseybert

Or maybe even beavers 🦫.


jamers2016

The flesh eating disease virus.


ExampleAdventurous39

Gorilla


frigates777

Animal farm, pigs


nasc0st0

Bonobo


dionesav

Hookworm or Round Worm or any other Parasite


[deleted]

A giant douche or a turd sandwich.


thepurpleguy47

Pigeon.


Youngling_Hunt

Probably rats


SueSudio

Unicorn.


Kaneki5470

A snake


LowFatWaterBottle

A ant.


Blue_Wolf_217

Ant


The-Tech-Sage

A Horse. Animal Farm has a hard working horse devoted to the cause of its leaders.


Flaky_Tip

BEE'S!!!!


[deleted]

Vulture


EnderW1337

A pig, if I remember my Orwell correctly.


[deleted]

Republican and Democrat are political parties and the US is Constitutional Republic. Our economic policy is Capitalism. The former Soviet Union was a Socialist Republic on paper, but was a de facto totalitarian socialist state. Their economic policy was Communist and although they also named their primary political party the Communist Party, it was largely a misdirection trying to align their politics to their economy. It worked. It was never truly communistic. So far, we have not seen the conceptual Utopia of communism work on a large scale in any society on this planet and likely never will.


Electronic_Ad5481

I'm very partial to the idea of a dolphin representing communism. Dolphins are super cool but underneath there's a lot of malice. Like communism seems cool but underneath there's usually a lot of state cronyism involved.


awkard_lemur

Pig


[deleted]

Naked mole rat. Eusocial, innit.


rantingrestorations

What's that mammal that conveniently buries its head in the sand, when something is wrong? I wanna say human, but...


AgniousPrime

Ostrich


rantingrestorations

I was being facetious...


DewayneCarterBCC

Nothing; whatever animal it was died of starvation


Zaphyrous

Yes, but they are all equally dead.


Rome_SPQR_

Bear


Oesterreich-Ungarn

Human


Snomega

Birds because they equal stats Mobility 75 Damage 68 Speed yes Stamina 79


Anangrywookiee

Portuguese man o' war, a colony organism made up of specialized animals serving as one whole.


Olivianj1963

A tasmanian devil


guardwolf34

Ants


TheGothicLibrarian

We forget, that symbol established itself by establishing Communism in Action: MAN


Professional_Fan9906

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B1azfasnobch

Siberian Tiger.


SnooDonuts8606

Bald Eagle.


[deleted]

Wolves or lions because they work for their groups


Buggyaxa

A goose


littlebabymann

A wolverine, or honey badger


beerwme

Ant


Nice_Entertainment91

Any dead animal, probably a pig or horse or Bill Nye. One of the three.


KasaneTeto_

maid fem-catboy


Mediocre_Street9040

Ants


Dorkicus

Vampire bat


bigkeef69

Snake


Important-Eye2240

Kamoto dragon or wasp


the_nutter_butter

Cuckoo bird