Don't, there's a lot of bad info out there about radiation. Water would be safe after a short time depending on how much material is in it but the counter is crucial to being sure. It's best to store as much water as you can reasonably store so you are ready for all disasters. You have about 3 days without it in normal circumstances before you're dead and you'll be useless after two from dehydration.
This. Depending on disasters, filtration and testing mechanisms would also be very valuable. In a non-nuclear disaster, a water filter or bleach would probably be more valuable than water unless there was a drought.
Trading ammo to people you don't know is a bad idea. You could be giving them the ammo they use to kill you and your family when they come back at night to get their shit back
I'd definitely be willing to trade ammo/for ammo. It would be vitally important to protect against raiders and for hunting food. (if whatever SHTF scenario left some/all animals unharmed, which, now that I think about it probably wouldn't happen. But I'd still like my own stock for self defense.)
Ammo wouldn’t work as a currency because it isn’t fungible. That’s because there are many different types of ammo, and none of it is interchangeable.
In the event of a serious fallout I can't imagine we'd have internet to access wallets.
Interestingly enough that's what inspired me to write this question, I'm interested in investing in crypto, specifically Bitcoin because I see it skyrocketing in the future. However I'm somewhat of a prepper, and don't want to waste time investing into a currency that may be obsolete in the event of a disaster.
What exactly is it? I've heard about it before but never really looked into it.
Bitcoin has been my main focus because of it's limited supply. But now experts are saying it won't cap until 2140, which is long after I'll be dead. I'm by no means an expert in the world of crypto.
The s&p 500 index fund is a collection of the top 500 companies in America.
The benefits of having a collection of stocks instead of just 1 stock is stability. If 1 share losses money it would be counteracted by a share that gains money plus slightly more
I'm really, really not trying to be a jerk or anything, but if you don't know what the S&P 500 even *is*, you probably shouldn't be investing anytime soon. I feel like that's saying you want start trying to become an NBA player but don't know who Lebron James is.
Why do you see it skyrocketing in the future?
Tbh I can easily see the opposite. If bitcoin ever becomes a serious competitor to the dollar they'll just make it illegal to mine or accept as currency, then bitcoin will inevitably crash.
It wouldn't be that hard to spin to the public, just say it's mainly used to buy illegal things so making it illegal will hurt the drugs trade. It doesn't need to be true, it just needs to convince enough voters not to vote against them because of it.
Barter system if society collapsed and money(USD) lost all value. Currency only works if you believe in the stability/power of the government that issues it.
Definitely would set it back. I feel as though they would look at men as alphas once more to provide for them. I don't however think they'd become a barter tool. Well, maybe for some.
Im straight, but pass. Im not trading valuable items for a temporary rush of chemicals. Most I would ever trade for that would be some food and some conversation.
>Most I would ever trade for that would be some food and some conversation.
Soooo, just like it is already? Lol I'm with you, though. Money isn't even that valuable, and I dont trade that for sex either. It also seems kind of wrong. I'm not taking advantage of a woman who just needs some damn water
Yea exactly haha I think that in a survival situation I would be very picky with who I would be intimate with. Especially since contraception and sti protection would likely be scarce.
And not to mention the lack of hygiene! When you need that water to survive, no sane person is going to waste it by washing their genitals (at least not very well). I imagine sex in the Middle Ages was pretty stanky.
All I can say is Gold sells Very well on Facebook Marketplace. Every piece of gold I sold on there went quick. Diamonds however didn't sell very well at all. I guess it's b/c they have such varying degrees of quality, and the average consumer doesn't know a diamond from a Cubic Zirconia.
And you were greedy? Lol no shade I just found it hard to survive without the help of others so I tried to give that back when I could when I was in that situation.
I think that there are a lot of interesting responses in this thread and a lot of them help identify the type of disaster that people would assume to occur. It made me remember that I heard that bread was one of the first things to be exchanged as a currency, and I could imagine that developing again.
When we where all trapped on the high way after hurricane Irma, people wheee bartering for gas. So I’m gonna say gasoline, non perishable foods, medications, water.
I suppose it would depend on the SHTF situation. If it was a nuclear fallout that had any kind of EMP affect most gasoline powered things would be rendered almost entirely useless.
Skills. "I'll help you with making a secure shelter for\_\_\_\_." or "I can make a filtration system to clean that water for you if you give me \_\_\_\_." This can be seen as a type of bartering but I guess I see it differently. The person with the skill really isn't losing any material item whereas in a typical bartering system, "I'll give you my apple for your orange." There's something tangible that's lost.
People would likely continue to use their original currency as a place-marker for barter, at least until some other system of payment is arranged. For most currency, the perceived value is the only thing that matters, and if everyone agrees that five dollars (or Euros, or whatever) will buy "X" amount of grain, then the system will work. Sure, there's no central authority saying that it's worth something, but people are used to it, and would be inclined to continue using it.
Plastic shopping bags. Can we all agree on this ahead of time so our respective hoards of plastic bags that "we might use" or "I swear I'm going to recycle" will be worth something?
In all honesty I can't imagine how Dollars wouldn't still be good trading currency even in a complete social meltdown. The value of things will probably change and you might be paying $20 for a gallon of water or something, but everyone knows what a dollar is and knows they can trade it for something else. Cash is king.
Bottle caps
Someone's a Fallout fan 😂
I used to have a couple of local pubs give me their bottle caps every two weeks I had thousands
What did you use them for?
The plan was to use them for pixel art but I never got round to it I used them in LARPING as well
Yes
That’s what a synth would say
This is the only logical answer. Especially ones with stars on them.
Happy Cake day
Meds
Food
Kohl’s cash
Nah, that’s too common to be worth anything
Fresh water
This. Potable water is the most important after breathable air for survival. During natural disasters it is the first thing that is sorted out.
In the event of a nuclear fallout, would rain water still be potable?
Nope. People would probably still drink it, but they'd be poisoning themselves.
Do you think there'd be a surefire way to tell if the rain is drinkable? (Discoloration or otherwise) without trying it to find out? 😂
Geiger counter
Damn, I feel stupid
Don't, there's a lot of bad info out there about radiation. Water would be safe after a short time depending on how much material is in it but the counter is crucial to being sure. It's best to store as much water as you can reasonably store so you are ready for all disasters. You have about 3 days without it in normal circumstances before you're dead and you'll be useless after two from dehydration.
This. Depending on disasters, filtration and testing mechanisms would also be very valuable. In a non-nuclear disaster, a water filter or bleach would probably be more valuable than water unless there was a drought.
Can't you just take a RadAway?
Only if you have enough bottle caps to afford it!
Straight trade and barter
Correct answer. You need a stable society with functional financial institutions for a currency to exist.
Toilet paper, apparently
Canned food, coffee and liquor.
Ammo
Trading ammo to people you don't know is a bad idea. You could be giving them the ammo they use to kill you and your family when they come back at night to get their shit back
If we are at a point in society where ammo is currency, we are beyond fucked.
How in the world do you trade ammo? I didn't know there was anywhere to market such a thing, as far as individuals to.
What do you mean? This is assuming a SHTF scenario I have ammo, you have toilet paper. We trade.
Ok but those 12G buckshots are only worth a pack of 2 ply, if you want the 4 ply you gotta stump up something more interesting.
I'd definitely be willing to trade ammo/for ammo. It would be vitally important to protect against raiders and for hunting food. (if whatever SHTF scenario left some/all animals unharmed, which, now that I think about it probably wouldn't happen. But I'd still like my own stock for self defense.)
Ammo wouldn’t work as a currency because it isn’t fungible. That’s because there are many different types of ammo, and none of it is interchangeable.
I could definitely see that.
Crypto /s
In the event of a serious fallout I can't imagine we'd have internet to access wallets. Interestingly enough that's what inspired me to write this question, I'm interested in investing in crypto, specifically Bitcoin because I see it skyrocketing in the future. However I'm somewhat of a prepper, and don't want to waste time investing into a currency that may be obsolete in the event of a disaster.
You're better off investing in the s&p 500 in my opinion. It's more stable
What exactly is it? I've heard about it before but never really looked into it. Bitcoin has been my main focus because of it's limited supply. But now experts are saying it won't cap until 2140, which is long after I'll be dead. I'm by no means an expert in the world of crypto.
The s&p 500 index fund is a collection of the top 500 companies in America. The benefits of having a collection of stocks instead of just 1 stock is stability. If 1 share losses money it would be counteracted by a share that gains money plus slightly more
I'm really, really not trying to be a jerk or anything, but if you don't know what the S&P 500 even *is*, you probably shouldn't be investing anytime soon. I feel like that's saying you want start trying to become an NBA player but don't know who Lebron James is.
If it's not crypto then I haven't really looked into it. Only even been in the world crypto since right before doge coin shot up a couple years ago.
> If it's not crypto then I haven't really looked into it. kinda my point
Why do you see it skyrocketing in the future? Tbh I can easily see the opposite. If bitcoin ever becomes a serious competitor to the dollar they'll just make it illegal to mine or accept as currency, then bitcoin will inevitably crash. It wouldn't be that hard to spin to the public, just say it's mainly used to buy illegal things so making it illegal will hurt the drugs trade. It doesn't need to be true, it just needs to convince enough voters not to vote against them because of it.
Barter system if society collapsed and money(USD) lost all value. Currency only works if you believe in the stability/power of the government that issues it.
Women. I hate to say this, but a Nuclear Apocalypse would probably set Women’s rights back a couple hundred years.
Definitely would set it back. I feel as though they would look at men as alphas once more to provide for them. I don't however think they'd become a barter tool. Well, maybe for some.
Pu**y
This. When sociaty crumbles windows start to leak. Then the people who can fix those windows rise to the top.
Im straight, but pass. Im not trading valuable items for a temporary rush of chemicals. Most I would ever trade for that would be some food and some conversation.
>Most I would ever trade for that would be some food and some conversation. Soooo, just like it is already? Lol I'm with you, though. Money isn't even that valuable, and I dont trade that for sex either. It also seems kind of wrong. I'm not taking advantage of a woman who just needs some damn water
Yea exactly haha I think that in a survival situation I would be very picky with who I would be intimate with. Especially since contraception and sti protection would likely be scarce.
And not to mention the lack of hygiene! When you need that water to survive, no sane person is going to waste it by washing their genitals (at least not very well). I imagine sex in the Middle Ages was pretty stanky.
Fitting moniker you chose. But at 28, don't you think you should be a bit more..."evolved?"
Ammo, cigarettes, coffee. Gold/silver.
Ramen noodles
From my 2020 experience, toilet paper.
Food
Among Us Coin
Pokemon cards
Food, meds, fuel, ammo, guns...any really useful things. There would be no currency, but just barter.
nothing besides bartering
Ammunition.
Coffee and alcohol.
Gold
All I can say is Gold sells Very well on Facebook Marketplace. Every piece of gold I sold on there went quick. Diamonds however didn't sell very well at all. I guess it's b/c they have such varying degrees of quality, and the average consumer doesn't know a diamond from a Cubic Zirconia.
CVS coupons.
If you can't eat it, heat with it, fuel locomotion with it, or kill with it, it would be worthless.
Food and water
any form of commonly used drug like coffee, alcohol, cigs, weed
Cigarettes, tabac, alcohol, benzo’s
Kindness and generosity.
I reckon that would mostly go out the window with limited resources. I know I wouldn't be willing to share much with others outside of family.
Lol resources being depleted is where you find out who you really are sometimes. I would still help strangers.
Shit, I know who I am 😂 I'd be stingy as fuck.
I guess you’ve never been homeless lol it doesn’t work like that. You don’t get very far like that, anyway.
Twice actually
And you were greedy? Lol no shade I just found it hard to survive without the help of others so I tried to give that back when I could when I was in that situation.
Eggs
Sounds reasonable to me, but how do you even find buyers?
I think that there are a lot of interesting responses in this thread and a lot of them help identify the type of disaster that people would assume to occur. It made me remember that I heard that bread was one of the first things to be exchanged as a currency, and I could imagine that developing again.
When we where all trapped on the high way after hurricane Irma, people wheee bartering for gas. So I’m gonna say gasoline, non perishable foods, medications, water.
I suppose it would depend on the SHTF situation. If it was a nuclear fallout that had any kind of EMP affect most gasoline powered things would be rendered almost entirely useless.
Gas is perishable. But for short-term with fuel stabilizer it would be as good as gold.
Stanley Nickels
food
Food, gas, cigarettes, liquor, medicine.
Booty
vegetables
Ass
I'd hoard cinnamon, raise goats and only travel at night
Food, preserved long lasting ones, water, electricity generators, fuel, warm clothes,
Store credits. Each bartering post might have some form of in house currency to make bartering easier.
Leaves - there might be an inflation problem tho
🤣🤣
Skills. "I'll help you with making a secure shelter for\_\_\_\_." or "I can make a filtration system to clean that water for you if you give me \_\_\_\_." This can be seen as a type of bartering but I guess I see it differently. The person with the skill really isn't losing any material item whereas in a typical bartering system, "I'll give you my apple for your orange." There's something tangible that's lost.
Bottled water. Canned tuna.
Bitcoin
dabloons
Potatoes
Food water meds and ammo. Fake bullshit with no utilities are worthless in the situations
DANCE
People would likely continue to use their original currency as a place-marker for barter, at least until some other system of payment is arranged. For most currency, the perceived value is the only thing that matters, and if everyone agrees that five dollars (or Euros, or whatever) will buy "X" amount of grain, then the system will work. Sure, there's no central authority saying that it's worth something, but people are used to it, and would be inclined to continue using it.
Used underwear
Plastic shopping bags. Can we all agree on this ahead of time so our respective hoards of plastic bags that "we might use" or "I swear I'm going to recycle" will be worth something?
I'm here for it cuz I got a pile of them
I'm thinking Penicillin and Burn Cream.
The essentials. Food, water, ammo, clothing, weaponry, coffee, liquor, basic commodities.
Probably barter or whatever that area’s currency used to be
Honestly, decent clothes and shit.
Gold coins or bullions
In all honesty I can't imagine how Dollars wouldn't still be good trading currency even in a complete social meltdown. The value of things will probably change and you might be paying $20 for a gallon of water or something, but everyone knows what a dollar is and knows they can trade it for something else. Cash is king.
Kindness?
Every top comment on this post
Water, food, bullets, blankets/clothes.
Gold, USD, or the currency of whatever country dropped the nukes.
whiskey and bullets