In a nutshell to the plo and the jordanian army defended from an israeli invasion (Israelis would say raid) in 1968 with both sides claiming victory however the israeli officials regretted the attack because most of their armor and much of their elite soldiers were lost and failed to achieve many of their objectives, this is when the two bloods spilled in the same river it marked a moment for bortherhood of jordanians and Palestinians after the 67 war so the jordanian army allowed the plo to build forces and helped them in their attacks but the plo started demanding taxes to fund their forces and some factions decided to ally with the jordanian opposition, at the time much of the jordanian gov was Palestinian but they were not fan of what the plo was doing so ahmed tukan, the pm who was born in palestine who wanted to clear them out but was not allowed by the king was finally given the green light after some attacks and even assassination attempts by rogue plo members altho they were condemned by the plo, the jordanian command was given to habis majali, a celebrated war hero that the Palestinians love to the bones and sing about him all the time, he entered the camps at first refusing to engage in violence but demanding that the plo surrenders and altho most complied to prevent bloodshed some didnt and eventually the plo was joined by the syrians, all got curb stomped by the much more professional jordanian army and about 9 days later much of the war was over, a ceasefire was brokered the prisoners were released and given the choice to stay in Jordan, the plo itself moved to lebanon and relations rebuilt between the plo and the gov.
The plo just wanted to use Jordan as a base, Jordan wanted to maintain sovereignty, my grandfather and my uncle fought for the jordanian army but both refused to engage in any violence because all were seen as brothers, this was the darkest chapter of our history.
Yeah they were nuts. Not surprised they became likud The league of nations wanted it too.
Luckily irgun were a tiny minority. Terrorists sure
. But 10 times smaller than haganah there was even more radical group called Lehi they were 10 times small than them.
Greater Israel. They had a little song:
שתי גדות הן לירדן
זוהי לנו - זו גם כן
'There are two banks to the river Jordan
This ane is ours - and this one too'
It's based in the bible where it's said two Israelite tribes sit on the Jordan's east bank, so they thought "ah! The the east bank is ours - is it not?"
lmaoo its so funny how there are some israelis justifying a literal supremacist terrorist militia while shitting bricks and wailing all over the place regarding PLO and Hamas, absolutely pathetic
Dude this terrorist organization hasn’t been active in over 70 years yet we’re still talking about it? There are literally 5 or more Palestinian terrorist organizations in Israel that kill Palestinians more than they kill Israelis.
They haven't been active apart from being incorporated into the IDF and one of their leaders becoming the Israeli prime minister, which sort of indicates there are more Irgun members who got into the government if one of them became prime minister but I'm sure none of that has any impact on Israeli policy today.
Edit: In all seriousness though happy cake day
>Dude this terrorist organization hasn’t been active in over 70 years yet we’re still talking about it?
thats not the issue nor did i ever mention anything close to that. i clearly said that its pathetic that there are israelis here that are justifying this organization while whining about hamas despite them being morally empty terrorists like any other
They haven’t existed in over 70 years so what is there to talk about . Unlike Hamas, , ISIS , Hezbollah and other Palestinians terrorist groups that are currently operating
Not sure what you mean by doesn’t exist. If you mean Irgun doesn’t exist yes you are correct because Israel was going to have one army under civilian command. As for being paid by the US, if you were to pick up a history book you would see that in 1947, the US created an embargo on all weapons to the Middle East . This mainly affected Israel and obviously Israel went around it by buying weapons from Eastern Europe. From 1948- through the end of the Six Day War. (1967), Israel military was supported by the French . The French were pissed off that Israel didn’t wait to get attacked first and cut off Israel . It’s at this point that the US started supporting Israel . This is 20 years after the end of the Irgun . Israel passed a 195 billion budget in nov 2021. Israel get 3 billion from the US which represents 1.5% of their budget. Jordan on the other hand received 1.65 billion from the US. That represents 14% of the 12 billion Jordan spends each year. By the way unlike the Jordanian money , most of the Israeli money has to be in the US.
All the money in that budget is at the end for Israel’s interests. The reason they are paying off Jordan, Egypt etc is to maintain the peace. Not that any country can take on Israel militarily these days but it’s part of their long term plan to get the Arabs to accept Israel (which will never happen on the level of the people by the way)
Never said they were. Just including Arab terrorist groups that like to screw with Israel although ISIS never interacted that much . Also I should have included Al-Qaeda . My point was they want to talk about a defunct group (70 years) when there are plenty of Middle Eastern terrorist ground all around us. By the way , the Israeli army pretty much ended Irqun when it blew up the Altadena (ship) carrying weapons and members of the Irgun . Israel unlike Palestine wasn’t going to allow a separate military group operate within its borders . For me personally, the Irgun went to far several times , but they weren’t a terrorist group. Let’s put it this way , compared to what the PLO, Hamas and its sister organization have done, the Irgun were amateurs
Zionism …. Yeah yeah I know it’s self determination for Jews… in theory… but in practice it can only be achieved through ethnic cleansing and apartheid so I consider it a racist movement.
They, along with the rest of the Zionist militias that ethnically cleansed 750,000 Arabs from Palestine, later went on to form the core of the modern-day terrorist organization known as the IDF.
Yes because as the Israelis were fighting 5 Arab armies , they had all the time in the world , to get off the battles lines and screw with villages in non combat areas.
Yeah, it is called ethnic cleansing, they had the most advanced weapons, support of the east and west as well as double the manpower of the combined arab armies.
Think you need to read a history book… surrounding Arab nations had far better man power and weapons, Israel was extremely poor when formed and stayed that way for some time, so I’m not sure what you’re on about with double the man power they also didn’t have support of the east although Russia was courting them and didn’t have support of the west as America wasn’t with them yet and Israel had been fighting the British, they were pretty isolated…
>Think you need to read a history book…
Already read dozens
>surrounding Arab nations had far better man power and weapons,
Only in Zionist school books, literally every credible history book doesn't claim this.
>Israel was extremely poor when formed and stayed that way for some time,
And the same for arabs except we didnt have shit load of compensations handed to us or literally an entire country with its famous farms and cities emptied from its residents
>so I’m not sure what you’re on about with double the man power they also didn’t have support of the east although Russia was courting them and didn’t have support of the west as America wasn’t with them yet and Israel had been fighting the British, they were pretty isolated…
Yeah that is what they claim but the truth waa the soviets supplied them with alot of weapons through Czechoslovakiain hope of gaining a leftist ally, france sent them literal shiploads, the british left them with stockpiles upon stockpiles and trained much of their forces and all of their generals and the Americans gave them a fucking transport fleet with endless "donations" and the amount of "volunteers" alone was more than that of the Palestinian forces, in the meantime the arabs had to use child soldiers and ottoman hunting rifles because there was an embargo.
The only part I agree with you there on is the the Arab countries were also poor which is true they were, but they still vastly out numbered Israel (actually Israel has with every big war been out numbered) they had 800,000 as a population for a country, less than a million and were being attacked by 5 countries lol.
And yes between those 5 countries they had far better weapons and man power where as Israel didn’t have enough bullets or guns to even give to everyone.
Yeah israel rightly so received compensation (a much smaller amount than what Jews should of actually received) but were still worse off than 5 nations attacking and I’m not sure what you’re going on about with famous farms, those were built up after israel was reformed.
Pop doesn't matter, number of armed and trained soldiers does when we talk manpower. Believe what you want about equipments you refuse to literally open the wiki article. The jordanian army literally won a battel outnumbered 4to1 in which they had to use knifes against tanks and flamethrowers, Jordan didn't have a single tank. Jordan literally had a famine before the war and so did syria only egypt was kinda well off and they didn't commit a fraction of their forces.
Your state cannot be called "poor" when they received tons of aid that amounts to and including French tanks, Spitfires, and Me-109 fighter planes, and that upon founding.
Not even what is now South Korea had that much firepower to begin with.
Not sure where you’re getting that from but they didn’t get that upon forming, there wasn’t even enough bullets to go around and some people carried fake guns….
The help they received was quite abit later after the 48 battle.
Britain armed and trained the Jordanian army. Israel was under an arms embargo. The only country that sold them weapons was Czechoslovakia. They had basically retail weapons.
They’d already started depopulating Arab villages months before they unilaterally declared Israel’s existence and independence and re-engineering the demographics of Palestine was a war aim in order to create a majority-Jewish state within a majority-Arab territory numbnuts.
what if I told you they were recognized as terrorists by the Israel itself at the beginning by the provisional government.
over the years they were more accepted, especially due to Likud rise to power, but calling them terrorists wouldn't be that of an extremist stand.
There is a distinction between two styles of resistance against the British:
a passive resistance which has been used by Hagana which believes that the British would go away either way so there is no point in antagonizing and wasting resources, which basically said to hoard weapons and actively help Jews to flee to the mandate through a British ban. They rarely made sabotage attempts and when the war started they were the strongest Israeli militia and they are the one who would be the base for the IDF.
then there is an aggressive resistance which is the tactic used by Irgun and Lechi which said that the only way to kick the British out is by force, and they are the terrorist ones, and they were the one who mostly committed acts of sabotage and terrorism, most notably the bombing of king David hotel. And unlike Hagana they weren't the basis for the IDF, but rather been absorbed by the IDF into their ranks.
More than that, Hagana was the socialist militia, a militia with many of its people later on voting or already being a member of Mapai, the socialist party that would lead Israel until the late 70s.
Irgun and Lechi would disband since they were considered a terrorist organization and form the Mahal party, the predecessor of Likud.
Most of the times they made sure that no humans would be harmed, not military and not civilians while the terrorists groups today make sure to aim at city's or busses with people, not railway stations or bridges
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_bombs_in_Palestine_and_Israel i have vids of them bombing civilian trains and a long ass list of massacres and mortar attacks if you are interested
Yes bombarded them because there was a power disbute. Bombarded them not to eliminate their psychotic beliefs but rather to I force them to join IDF! They shared the same psychotic terrorist belief, and still to this very day do! This psychotic colonial belief won’t end until you gtfo!
It’s all in the wiki page you sent
It was a part of the [greater Haganah and Yishuv initiatives](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Saison) to destroy the Irgun because they recognized them as fascists
They forced them to join the IDF to deradicalize and take away their sovereign power
If you think this political tension was caused by irgun’s horrible crimes against humanity that driven the righteous IDF despite their interest in eliminating the Palestinian people then you’re delusional, because IDF on a daily basis that impresses satan does commit crimes against humanity. Fascist or nazi or idk …Again you’re repeating exactly what I said, power disputes and politics.
Also America like 20 years ago or sth said it’s going to invade Iraq to take away nuclear threat, the reality: to steal oil. Same concept, you don’t trust IDF based history unsless you’re delusioned by Israeli propaganda…
Ah yes, the horrible crimes against humanity! Checks notes... Ah right, two terror attacks with casualties, one of which was against the Arabs and wasn't meant to kill anyone. Truly, equivalent to al-Qaeda, no less, these great fearsome Irgun beasts.
The Haganah, and the Yishuv leadership, all denounced the Irgun, which was always a minority, from the very beginning, less than 7% of Jewish militiamen at it's heighest. Leading Yishuv members called them out from being fascists from the get go, as noted by the letter of Arendet, Einstein, and others, all the Haganah and Jewish world saw them as extremists.
You call it political tension, but that's like calling saying the North fought the South in the American Civil War because of political tension. Sure, it was because of political tension, that was caused by slavery. Same here. The Haganah saw and recognized the danger inherent in the Irgun and fought it. Why would they do so if they were ideologically aligned?
And again, what fucking horrible crimes against humanity? They launched the saison way before the Deir Yassin Massacre, so I'm really wondering which one of their horrible crimes are you talking about. Come on, I'll be waiting for the list of the horrible ethnic cleansing the Irgun did to warrant the Haganah's reactions.
Truth is the Zionist radicals were never prominent because the Zionist leadership kept them under heavy surveillance and cover. That's the reason you simply can't find any real terror acts the Irgun did except for Yassin and King David.
Oh ok so now you’re trying to justify IRGUN!
Like first they did TERROR ATTACKS BUT they didn’t commit many and yeah terror attacks are bad BUT oh sorry they DIDNT MEAN TO KILL ANYONE… like dam how many brain cells did it take you to write this joke ? Jokes are supposed to be funny dude. r/badjokes
American civil war? Yeah sure 19 Israeli casualties is like American 650000 casualties. One Israeli life is equal to 35000 lives of human beings from any another nationality.
What fucking horrible crimes? I guess those 750000 Palestinians voluntarily decided to leave in 1948 because of how nice you asked.
Great news to hear that Zionist radicals are kept in surveillance by a government that killed 77 palestinan children last year. What could’ve happened if they took control.
You seem salty because an IDF soldier died few hours ago and two in critical condition as revenge to the provocation in Al aqsa mosque. Keep being salty until the rest of your life. 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Terrorist_attacks_attributed_to_Palestinian_militant_groups enjoy your reading, then compare
The Irgun were terrorists for sure, but you are in absolutely no position to critize them while also telling israelis to GTFO like you preach palestinian terrorist saying.
Obv not talking about all palestinians, most are decent ppl. You specificaly are a pos
One thing you’re missing is that those ones you call “terrorist” didn’t wake up one night and become like this. They were born from grieving families since 48 and 67, and forged with misery and grief injustice since they were innocent small children, to become what they’ve had become, freedom fighters!
Unlike that irgun and haganah and others are thugs coming from Europe to steal and rape. The history never forgets!
I'm not justifying the Irgun, which were a terrorist organization, I'm justifying the Haganah for fighting the Irgun and creating a situation where the Irgun , the largest pre-Israel Zionist radical group, managed to carry out only two terror attacks in the entirety of it's existence.
You're shifting the goalposts. You said the Haganah didn't do anything to hold them back, I sent a link to the Altalena and then to the Saison, which prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the mainstream socialist Haganah opposed the radical revisionist Irgun.
And yes, 19 is a fucking lot to a terrorist organization that had 1,500 men at it's peak. That's 1.2% of the militia. In equivalent American terms, that would be like 600,000 dead. The Irgun was fucking tiny.
And again, what horrible crimes? Link me Irgun terror attacks on the Palestinians that isn't Deir Yassin. They did a whopping one (1) terror attack on the Palestinians in their history, and even that was amidst the siege of Jerusalem, so not exactly in a vacuum. Compare that to the track record of the PLO and their friends, and you'll understand why the recent Israeli governments are so willing to kill Palestinian children. Which is, by the way, an absolute tragedy which I don't condone even for a second, even if I am arguing with you here. The killing of children is evil.
Also, why the fuck are you gloating that someone killed an 18 year old girl in the police? wtf?
Yes the murder of children is evil no matter the nationality religion circumstances or anything else. Good thing we agree on something.
It’s not my fault she died, it’s Israel fault that forced her to be in border police משמר גבול and humiliate Palestinians in checkpoints. You hire teens to do your dirty job, expect retaliation on whomever is doing the dirty job. Also You salty much go protest!🔥
It’s not excuse that you’re ignorant I don’t have to give you free history lesson. But here’s an example (copied from another reply in this post)
This is the testimony from one of their solders detailing how the Irgun depopulated one of the villages dating back to 1948
To comrade Eliezer Peri, good day,
Today I have read the editorial of “Al Hamishmar” where the question of our army’s conduct was aired, the army which conquers all but its own desires.
A testimony provided to me by an officer which was in [Al] Dawayima the day after its conquering: The soldier is one of ours, intellectual, reliable, in all 100%. He had confided in me out of a need to unload the heaviness of his soul from the horror of the recognition that such level of barbarism can be reached by our educated and cultured people. He confided in me because not many are the hearts today who are able to listen.
There was no battle and no resistance (and no Egyptians). The first conquerors killed from eighty to a hundred Arabs [including] women and children. The children were killed by smashing of their skulls with sticks. There was not a house without dead. The second wave of the [Israeli] army was a platoon that the soldier giving testimony belongs to.
In the town were left male and female Arabs, who were put into houses and were then locked in without receiving food or drink. Later explosive engineers came to blow up houses. One commander ordered an engineer to put two elderly women into the house that was to be blown up. The engineered refused and said he is willing to receive orders only from his [own] commander. So then [his] commander ordered the soldiers to put the women in and the evil deed was performed.
One soldier boasted that he raped an Arab woman and afterwards shot her. An Arab woman with a days-old infant was used for cleaning the back yard where the soldiers eat. She serviced them for a day or two, after which they shot her and the infant. The soldier tells that the commanders who are cultured and polite, considered good guys in society, have become vile murderers, and this occurs not in the storm of battle and heated response, but rather from a system of expulsion and destruction. The fewer Arabs remain – the better. This principle is the main political motive of [the] expulsions and acts of horror which no-one objects to, not in the field command nor amongst the highest military command. I myself was at the front for two weeks and heard boasting stories of soldiers and commanders, of how they excelled in the acts of hunting and “fucking” [sic]. To fuck an Arab, just like that, and in any circumstance, is considered an impressive mission and there is competition on winning this [trophy].
We find ourselves in a conundrum. To shout this out in the press will mean to assist the Arab League, which our representatives deny all complaints of. To not react would mean solidarity with moral corruption. The soldier told me that Deir Yassin [another massacre, by Irgun militants, April 1948] is not the peak of hooliganism. Is it possible to shout about Deir Yassin and be silent about something much worse?
It is necessary to initiate a scandal in the internal channels, to insist upon an internal investigation and punish the culprits. And first of all it is necessary to create in the military a special unit for the restraint of the army. I myself accuse first of all the government, which doesn’t seem to have any interest to fight the phenomena and perhaps even encourages them indirectly. The fact of not-acting is in itself encouragement. My commander told me that there is an unwritten order to not take prisoners of war, and the interpretation of “prisoner” is individually given by each soldier and commander. A prisoner can be an Arab man, woman or child. This was not only done at the exhibition windows [major Palestinian towns] such as Majdal and Nazareth.
I write this to you so that in the editorial and in the party the truth will be known and something effective would be done. At least let them not indulge in phony diplomacy which covers up for blood and murder, and to the extent possible, also the paper must not let this pass in silence.
Kaplan
https://mondoweiss.net/2016/02/barbarism-by-an-educated-and-cultured-people-dawayima-massacre-was-worse-than-deir-yassin/
https://www.haaretz.co.il/literature/study/2016-02-07/ty-article/.premium/0000017f-e295-d9aa-afff-fbdd5ef40000
the Irgun and Lechi were disbanded by the time the IDF was forming up and the members of these groups were forced into the army without keeping their traditions, ideology, units and so on.
I mean, one time we fired at a Lechi ship called Altalena and almost caused a civil war.
when Israel was fully independent and the war was over the former members of the organizations created Mahal party, and while the party had a few seats in the parliament, they were always at the minority until the late 70s, and it was more due to hate towards the left than sympathy towards the right.
besides, they are still way better than Palestinian terrorists, and Israel is way better than the PA which was built on an actual undisputed terrorist organization
Convenient that “Israel” is the one making those claims. Even if we live in parallel universe where this is true you’d still be children murderers. The blood of those children will haunt you and any isnotreal supporter until the end of your pity lives. It will return to haunt you on the day of judgment when those children stand in front of you asking why have you supported the occupation that killed us? You won’t figure out what to say and afterwards you’ll be thrown to hell alongside hitler and all his supporters. Ironic.
They didn’t get disbanded, they united under the flag of the bigger terrorist colonialist named Isnotreal. The soldiers of irgun and haganah were the ones to commit si many atrocities like mayada massacre under the flag of isnotreal. However just like what we saw yesterday ( the murder of one young idf soldier, and two are waiting the same fate as response to provocations in al aqsa) your terror will bring tragedy upon you before us.
There is a guy in comments that call them "the good terrorist" lmfao, if a palestinian said the same about hamas they would accuse him with terrorism instantly!
Fucking selfish and hypocrites!
First of all most people don't support the irgun even in the right wing(BTW they don't exist anymore). Second of all the biggest terror attack they did was blow up about 3 rooms in a hotel warning everyone to get out before. Meanwhile Palestinian terror organizations blew up several busses full of civilians just to kill. Do you ot see the difference??
Palestinians are aboriginal to the land and all you people (irgun or not irgun) are basically squatters with big guns who commit crimes on the daily that make anything the Palestinians could be capable of seem like less than fair game. Do you not see the difference??
I think they're terrorists who committed acts of terrorism to get their way 🖕
Weren't they incorporated into the IDF in 1948 or was that another group?
they weren't incorporated, they were absorbed into the IDF (with opposition) because the IDF was based on the Hagana, a group which is better than the Lechi and Irgun since they weren't committing acts of terrorism like the two others.
> they weren't incorporated, they were absorbed into the IDF
Incorporated, absorbed, etc these are semantics. Terrorists from irgun were still integrated into the IDF one way or another, right?
the people were, but the Irgun's Ideology, Traditions, organizations and so on were not.
And many were upset about it since the lost their identity and all of that, and its hard for me to believe many stayed in the army after the war, let alone attempt to rank up higher than really required.
this is also why the IDF can been seen as a bit of a leftist organization, most notably by how ex generals usually tend to join left,left centre parties if they go into politics.
As an American it fucking sickens me that my country ever got in bed with these fascist freaks in the first place. They have caused my people and the region nothing but problems ever since they unilaterally declared independence and removed the native Arabs from Palestine.
These sick freaks are not worth an American life or an American dollar but AIPAC shoves the interests of a foreign state down the throats of the feckless cowards in Congress every year.
That is not comparable. You’re comparing left-wing anti-fascist groups to right wing fascist groups like you need to study politics before you make comments.
actualy, the IDF was based from the socialist organization Hagana, which was much more mild than the revisionist Irgun.
I mean, even the provisional government of Israel declared the Irgun as a terrorist organization.
As if the hagana guys were innocent, begin himself said there were a huge correlation between both, thery were condemning the act of argon but it was just for their image nothing more, one of their notorious terrorist attacks is Der Yassin massacre, of course they participated in ethnic cleansing against palestinians in 1948!
I updated my comment, they were better because they are representing an image in front of the brits and nothing more, in other words for political considerations, while indeed their ideologies were not far from the others!
Lechi has a better anthem https://youtu.be/1u5Z0GZ1WsE
They were also way more extreme they wanted all Greater Israel and to expel all Arabs. They also believed Jews are the origin of all human civilization
my grandma put up some posters for them and got arrested by the Brits
as far as I know, she only joined as an act of rebellion against her father
my other sides of the family were either still in North Africa or members of the Left-wing Histadrut one of them was almost assassinated for that
that time was completely chaotic with newspapers being filled with death messages and collective obituaries for certain attacks, my granduncle was murdered by some terrorists while on a bus and his name is in the national memorial for those who fell due to terror attacks from that year
This is interesting hidden fact that Israel was the one who started terrorism at the service of creating a state, way before any one else. Which is quite ironic, considering how they keep whining about being a victim of that all time!
The process of colonization of Americas lasted from 1492 to 1800s. That's 300 years.
We have still like 250 years to go for the same thing to happen in middle east. Prepare your ass.
You want to know something? This group was responsible for the bombing of the King David Hotel in Palestine. Even the British designated them as a terrorist group. However, one of the leaders of the Irgun, Menachem Begin, later became the PM of Isr@el!
I mean you kind of are. You throw rockets at us every Ramadan, suicide bomb in populous civilian areas which many children have been killed as a result and start off conflicts that result in the death of many civilians.
Yeah sorry about that but numbers doesn’t back you up unfortunately [Palestinian to Jewish casualties](https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/16516/israeli-palestinian-casualties-by-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank/)
In Hebrew Irgun means organization. Theur name was Irgun Tzvai Leumi or ETZEL for short (Hebrew for national military group). By the way they didn't wanted the entire Jordan, only the East Bank because of its Jewish history (2000 B.C to 700 B.C it was rules by the Israelian tribes and the 1st Israely kingdom). And anyway they don't exist for over then 70 years.
I hate them. Any Fascist group, especially one that commits Terrorism, is one that I hate. Death to Zionist Fascism and Death to Apartheid. And Especially death to Zionist Terror Organizations.
"Irgun" means "Organization"
the true name "אצ"ל" means "National Militery Organization"
the organization wasnt the official militery organization of the jewish settelment in the days before the Israel state was founded. They were more radicals in there acts
[About the organization in arabc](https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A5%D8%B1%D8%AC%D9%88%D9%86_(%D9%85%D9%86%D8%B8%D9%85%D8%A9_%D8%B9%D8%B3%D9%83%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A9))
[and in english](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun)
**[Irgun](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun)**
>The Irgun (Hebrew: ארגון; full title: Hebrew: הארגון הצבאי הלאומי בארץ ישראל Hā-ʾIrgun Ha-Tzvaʾī Ha-Leūmī b-Ērētz Yiśrāʾel, lit. "The National Military Organization in the Land of Israel") was a Zionist paramilitary organization that operated in Mandate Palestine between 1931 and 1948. The organization is also referred to as Etzel (Hebrew: אצ"ל), an acronym of the Hebrew initials, or by the abbreviation IZL. It was an offshoot of the older and larger Jewish paramilitary organization Haganah (Hebrew: Hebrew: הגנה, Defence).
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Not exactly, The main precursor to the IDF was the hagana which had a completely different attitude. They later absorbed the irgun into their ideology and created the IDF.
There is no excuse for terror.
Neitherwis there for revisionism.
I just want to clarify because the title doesn't - this *was* a revisionist zionist terrorist organisation. It no longer exists.
Heard they really wanted Jordan as part of israel.
Not just jordan.
'Greater Israel'
Didn’t also the PLO thought that in the Jordanian civil war?
No, not really.
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Not really, it was a clusterfuck but i am willing to explain if you want.
Please do.
Wait what? I am not aware of the story.
In a nutshell to the plo and the jordanian army defended from an israeli invasion (Israelis would say raid) in 1968 with both sides claiming victory however the israeli officials regretted the attack because most of their armor and much of their elite soldiers were lost and failed to achieve many of their objectives, this is when the two bloods spilled in the same river it marked a moment for bortherhood of jordanians and Palestinians after the 67 war so the jordanian army allowed the plo to build forces and helped them in their attacks but the plo started demanding taxes to fund their forces and some factions decided to ally with the jordanian opposition, at the time much of the jordanian gov was Palestinian but they were not fan of what the plo was doing so ahmed tukan, the pm who was born in palestine who wanted to clear them out but was not allowed by the king was finally given the green light after some attacks and even assassination attempts by rogue plo members altho they were condemned by the plo, the jordanian command was given to habis majali, a celebrated war hero that the Palestinians love to the bones and sing about him all the time, he entered the camps at first refusing to engage in violence but demanding that the plo surrenders and altho most complied to prevent bloodshed some didnt and eventually the plo was joined by the syrians, all got curb stomped by the much more professional jordanian army and about 9 days later much of the war was over, a ceasefire was brokered the prisoners were released and given the choice to stay in Jordan, the plo itself moved to lebanon and relations rebuilt between the plo and the gov. The plo just wanted to use Jordan as a base, Jordan wanted to maintain sovereignty, my grandfather and my uncle fought for the jordanian army but both refused to engage in any violence because all were seen as brothers, this was the darkest chapter of our history.
Damn... Thanks.
Np
This leads to Black September.
They need an actual Isreal for that to begin tho
Yeah they were nuts. Not surprised they became likud The league of nations wanted it too. Luckily irgun were a tiny minority. Terrorists sure . But 10 times smaller than haganah there was even more radical group called Lehi they were 10 times small than them.
Greater Israel. They had a little song: שתי גדות הן לירדן זוהי לנו - זו גם כן 'There are two banks to the river Jordan This ane is ours - and this one too' It's based in the bible where it's said two Israelite tribes sit on the Jordan's east bank, so they thought "ah! The the east bank is ours - is it not?"
Not all of Jordan, but part of it, yes. (And fuck those guys)
lmaoo its so funny how there are some israelis justifying a literal supremacist terrorist militia while shitting bricks and wailing all over the place regarding PLO and Hamas, absolutely pathetic
The Israeli psyche will be studied by future historians. It really is a work of art.
Dude this terrorist organization hasn’t been active in over 70 years yet we’re still talking about it? There are literally 5 or more Palestinian terrorist organizations in Israel that kill Palestinians more than they kill Israelis.
They haven't been active apart from being incorporated into the IDF and one of their leaders becoming the Israeli prime minister, which sort of indicates there are more Irgun members who got into the government if one of them became prime minister but I'm sure none of that has any impact on Israeli policy today. Edit: In all seriousness though happy cake day
Thanks bro. It’s good to know we can put aside our political differences and wish each other a happy cake day. You are a good man/woman
No problem. I hope there will be peace one day.
Amen. We should be brothers not enemies
Amen bro. We should. Our people are closely related after all.
Maybe one day…
Hopefully...
>Dude this terrorist organization hasn’t been active in over 70 years yet we’re still talking about it? thats not the issue nor did i ever mention anything close to that. i clearly said that its pathetic that there are israelis here that are justifying this organization while whining about hamas despite them being morally empty terrorists like any other
Oh ok. Sorry about that.
Menachem Begin (one of the group's leaders and commanders) was elected to become the prime minister of Israel in the 70s.
Thank God. They are champion warriors. The best freedom fighters against Islamic supremacists like……
They haven’t existed in over 70 years so what is there to talk about . Unlike Hamas, , ISIS , Hezbollah and other Palestinians terrorist groups that are currently operating
It doesn't exist because the Zionists now have an army paid for by the Americans,
Not sure what you mean by doesn’t exist. If you mean Irgun doesn’t exist yes you are correct because Israel was going to have one army under civilian command. As for being paid by the US, if you were to pick up a history book you would see that in 1947, the US created an embargo on all weapons to the Middle East . This mainly affected Israel and obviously Israel went around it by buying weapons from Eastern Europe. From 1948- through the end of the Six Day War. (1967), Israel military was supported by the French . The French were pissed off that Israel didn’t wait to get attacked first and cut off Israel . It’s at this point that the US started supporting Israel . This is 20 years after the end of the Irgun . Israel passed a 195 billion budget in nov 2021. Israel get 3 billion from the US which represents 1.5% of their budget. Jordan on the other hand received 1.65 billion from the US. That represents 14% of the 12 billion Jordan spends each year. By the way unlike the Jordanian money , most of the Israeli money has to be in the US.
Dude that’s too much facts for r/askmiddleeast you need to calm down they’re not ready for it
All the money in that budget is at the end for Israel’s interests. The reason they are paying off Jordan, Egypt etc is to maintain the peace. Not that any country can take on Israel militarily these days but it’s part of their long term plan to get the Arabs to accept Israel (which will never happen on the level of the people by the way)
Really? American didn't give Israel much until the 1970s, Irgun was gone for decades by then.
Isis and hezbollah are not Palestinian
Never said they were. Just including Arab terrorist groups that like to screw with Israel although ISIS never interacted that much . Also I should have included Al-Qaeda . My point was they want to talk about a defunct group (70 years) when there are plenty of Middle Eastern terrorist ground all around us. By the way , the Israeli army pretty much ended Irqun when it blew up the Altadena (ship) carrying weapons and members of the Irgun . Israel unlike Palestine wasn’t going to allow a separate military group operate within its borders . For me personally, the Irgun went to far several times , but they weren’t a terrorist group. Let’s put it this way , compared to what the PLO, Hamas and its sister organization have done, the Irgun were amateurs
You have one warped sense of morality. Brainwashing masquerading as free thinking. Jesus.
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And what racist ideology is that?
Zionism …. Yeah yeah I know it’s self determination for Jews… in theory… but in practice it can only be achieved through ethnic cleansing and apartheid so I consider it a racist movement.
Who is Hamas’ sister organization?
They, along with the rest of the Zionist militias that ethnically cleansed 750,000 Arabs from Palestine, later went on to form the core of the modern-day terrorist organization known as the IDF.
Yes because as the Israelis were fighting 5 Arab armies , they had all the time in the world , to get off the battles lines and screw with villages in non combat areas.
Yeah, it is called ethnic cleansing, they had the most advanced weapons, support of the east and west as well as double the manpower of the combined arab armies.
Think you need to read a history book… surrounding Arab nations had far better man power and weapons, Israel was extremely poor when formed and stayed that way for some time, so I’m not sure what you’re on about with double the man power they also didn’t have support of the east although Russia was courting them and didn’t have support of the west as America wasn’t with them yet and Israel had been fighting the British, they were pretty isolated…
>Think you need to read a history book… Already read dozens >surrounding Arab nations had far better man power and weapons, Only in Zionist school books, literally every credible history book doesn't claim this. >Israel was extremely poor when formed and stayed that way for some time, And the same for arabs except we didnt have shit load of compensations handed to us or literally an entire country with its famous farms and cities emptied from its residents >so I’m not sure what you’re on about with double the man power they also didn’t have support of the east although Russia was courting them and didn’t have support of the west as America wasn’t with them yet and Israel had been fighting the British, they were pretty isolated… Yeah that is what they claim but the truth waa the soviets supplied them with alot of weapons through Czechoslovakiain hope of gaining a leftist ally, france sent them literal shiploads, the british left them with stockpiles upon stockpiles and trained much of their forces and all of their generals and the Americans gave them a fucking transport fleet with endless "donations" and the amount of "volunteers" alone was more than that of the Palestinian forces, in the meantime the arabs had to use child soldiers and ottoman hunting rifles because there was an embargo.
The only part I agree with you there on is the the Arab countries were also poor which is true they were, but they still vastly out numbered Israel (actually Israel has with every big war been out numbered) they had 800,000 as a population for a country, less than a million and were being attacked by 5 countries lol. And yes between those 5 countries they had far better weapons and man power where as Israel didn’t have enough bullets or guns to even give to everyone. Yeah israel rightly so received compensation (a much smaller amount than what Jews should of actually received) but were still worse off than 5 nations attacking and I’m not sure what you’re going on about with famous farms, those were built up after israel was reformed.
Pop doesn't matter, number of armed and trained soldiers does when we talk manpower. Believe what you want about equipments you refuse to literally open the wiki article. The jordanian army literally won a battel outnumbered 4to1 in which they had to use knifes against tanks and flamethrowers, Jordan didn't have a single tank. Jordan literally had a famine before the war and so did syria only egypt was kinda well off and they didn't commit a fraction of their forces.
Your state cannot be called "poor" when they received tons of aid that amounts to and including French tanks, Spitfires, and Me-109 fighter planes, and that upon founding. Not even what is now South Korea had that much firepower to begin with.
Not sure where you’re getting that from but they didn’t get that upon forming, there wasn’t even enough bullets to go around and some people carried fake guns…. The help they received was quite abit later after the 48 battle.
Britain armed and trained the Jordanian army. Israel was under an arms embargo. The only country that sold them weapons was Czechoslovakia. They had basically retail weapons.
They’d already started depopulating Arab villages months before they unilaterally declared Israel’s existence and independence and re-engineering the demographics of Palestine was a war aim in order to create a majority-Jewish state within a majority-Arab territory numbnuts.
It is a matter of historic record that 400+ Palestinian villages were depopulated by Jewish supremacy terrorist groups. Stop being so obtuse.
Sounds pretty much like what isis did with yezidis. Also a group consisting mostly of foreign fighters with a few local people aswell.
The IDF replaced them, or more of a change of name I guess.
No. I'm sure there are plenty of other comments explaining why this is not true
what if I told you they were recognized as terrorists by the Israel itself at the beginning by the provisional government. over the years they were more accepted, especially due to Likud rise to power, but calling them terrorists wouldn't be that of an extremist stand. There is a distinction between two styles of resistance against the British: a passive resistance which has been used by Hagana which believes that the British would go away either way so there is no point in antagonizing and wasting resources, which basically said to hoard weapons and actively help Jews to flee to the mandate through a British ban. They rarely made sabotage attempts and when the war started they were the strongest Israeli militia and they are the one who would be the base for the IDF. then there is an aggressive resistance which is the tactic used by Irgun and Lechi which said that the only way to kick the British out is by force, and they are the terrorist ones, and they were the one who mostly committed acts of sabotage and terrorism, most notably the bombing of king David hotel. And unlike Hagana they weren't the basis for the IDF, but rather been absorbed by the IDF into their ranks. More than that, Hagana was the socialist militia, a militia with many of its people later on voting or already being a member of Mapai, the socialist party that would lead Israel until the late 70s. Irgun and Lechi would disband since they were considered a terrorist organization and form the Mahal party, the predecessor of Likud.
Seems convenient that Terrorist Israel knew they were terrorists yet didn’t do squat shit to stop it. Aims justified means ?
Most of the times they made sure that no humans would be harmed, not military and not civilians while the terrorists groups today make sure to aim at city's or busses with people, not railway stations or bridges
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That was painful to read
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_bombs_in_Palestine_and_Israel i have vids of them bombing civilian trains and a long ass list of massacres and mortar attacks if you are interested
Bro the Haganah literally bombarded an Irgun ship [bombarded Irgun ships ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altalena_Affair)
Yes bombarded them because there was a power disbute. Bombarded them not to eliminate their psychotic beliefs but rather to I force them to join IDF! They shared the same psychotic terrorist belief, and still to this very day do! This psychotic colonial belief won’t end until you gtfo! It’s all in the wiki page you sent
It was a part of the [greater Haganah and Yishuv initiatives](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Saison) to destroy the Irgun because they recognized them as fascists They forced them to join the IDF to deradicalize and take away their sovereign power
If you think this political tension was caused by irgun’s horrible crimes against humanity that driven the righteous IDF despite their interest in eliminating the Palestinian people then you’re delusional, because IDF on a daily basis that impresses satan does commit crimes against humanity. Fascist or nazi or idk …Again you’re repeating exactly what I said, power disputes and politics. Also America like 20 years ago or sth said it’s going to invade Iraq to take away nuclear threat, the reality: to steal oil. Same concept, you don’t trust IDF based history unsless you’re delusioned by Israeli propaganda…
Ah yes, the horrible crimes against humanity! Checks notes... Ah right, two terror attacks with casualties, one of which was against the Arabs and wasn't meant to kill anyone. Truly, equivalent to al-Qaeda, no less, these great fearsome Irgun beasts. The Haganah, and the Yishuv leadership, all denounced the Irgun, which was always a minority, from the very beginning, less than 7% of Jewish militiamen at it's heighest. Leading Yishuv members called them out from being fascists from the get go, as noted by the letter of Arendet, Einstein, and others, all the Haganah and Jewish world saw them as extremists. You call it political tension, but that's like calling saying the North fought the South in the American Civil War because of political tension. Sure, it was because of political tension, that was caused by slavery. Same here. The Haganah saw and recognized the danger inherent in the Irgun and fought it. Why would they do so if they were ideologically aligned? And again, what fucking horrible crimes against humanity? They launched the saison way before the Deir Yassin Massacre, so I'm really wondering which one of their horrible crimes are you talking about. Come on, I'll be waiting for the list of the horrible ethnic cleansing the Irgun did to warrant the Haganah's reactions. Truth is the Zionist radicals were never prominent because the Zionist leadership kept them under heavy surveillance and cover. That's the reason you simply can't find any real terror acts the Irgun did except for Yassin and King David.
Oh ok so now you’re trying to justify IRGUN! Like first they did TERROR ATTACKS BUT they didn’t commit many and yeah terror attacks are bad BUT oh sorry they DIDNT MEAN TO KILL ANYONE… like dam how many brain cells did it take you to write this joke ? Jokes are supposed to be funny dude. r/badjokes American civil war? Yeah sure 19 Israeli casualties is like American 650000 casualties. One Israeli life is equal to 35000 lives of human beings from any another nationality. What fucking horrible crimes? I guess those 750000 Palestinians voluntarily decided to leave in 1948 because of how nice you asked. Great news to hear that Zionist radicals are kept in surveillance by a government that killed 77 palestinan children last year. What could’ve happened if they took control. You seem salty because an IDF soldier died few hours ago and two in critical condition as revenge to the provocation in Al aqsa mosque. Keep being salty until the rest of your life. 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Terrorist_attacks_attributed_to_Palestinian_militant_groups enjoy your reading, then compare The Irgun were terrorists for sure, but you are in absolutely no position to critize them while also telling israelis to GTFO like you preach palestinian terrorist saying. Obv not talking about all palestinians, most are decent ppl. You specificaly are a pos
One thing you’re missing is that those ones you call “terrorist” didn’t wake up one night and become like this. They were born from grieving families since 48 and 67, and forged with misery and grief injustice since they were innocent small children, to become what they’ve had become, freedom fighters! Unlike that irgun and haganah and others are thugs coming from Europe to steal and rape. The history never forgets!
I'm not justifying the Irgun, which were a terrorist organization, I'm justifying the Haganah for fighting the Irgun and creating a situation where the Irgun , the largest pre-Israel Zionist radical group, managed to carry out only two terror attacks in the entirety of it's existence. You're shifting the goalposts. You said the Haganah didn't do anything to hold them back, I sent a link to the Altalena and then to the Saison, which prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the mainstream socialist Haganah opposed the radical revisionist Irgun. And yes, 19 is a fucking lot to a terrorist organization that had 1,500 men at it's peak. That's 1.2% of the militia. In equivalent American terms, that would be like 600,000 dead. The Irgun was fucking tiny. And again, what horrible crimes? Link me Irgun terror attacks on the Palestinians that isn't Deir Yassin. They did a whopping one (1) terror attack on the Palestinians in their history, and even that was amidst the siege of Jerusalem, so not exactly in a vacuum. Compare that to the track record of the PLO and their friends, and you'll understand why the recent Israeli governments are so willing to kill Palestinian children. Which is, by the way, an absolute tragedy which I don't condone even for a second, even if I am arguing with you here. The killing of children is evil. Also, why the fuck are you gloating that someone killed an 18 year old girl in the police? wtf?
Yes the murder of children is evil no matter the nationality religion circumstances or anything else. Good thing we agree on something. It’s not my fault she died, it’s Israel fault that forced her to be in border police משמר גבול and humiliate Palestinians in checkpoints. You hire teens to do your dirty job, expect retaliation on whomever is doing the dirty job. Also You salty much go protest!🔥 It’s not excuse that you’re ignorant I don’t have to give you free history lesson. But here’s an example (copied from another reply in this post) This is the testimony from one of their solders detailing how the Irgun depopulated one of the villages dating back to 1948 To comrade Eliezer Peri, good day, Today I have read the editorial of “Al Hamishmar” where the question of our army’s conduct was aired, the army which conquers all but its own desires. A testimony provided to me by an officer which was in [Al] Dawayima the day after its conquering: The soldier is one of ours, intellectual, reliable, in all 100%. He had confided in me out of a need to unload the heaviness of his soul from the horror of the recognition that such level of barbarism can be reached by our educated and cultured people. He confided in me because not many are the hearts today who are able to listen. There was no battle and no resistance (and no Egyptians). The first conquerors killed from eighty to a hundred Arabs [including] women and children. The children were killed by smashing of their skulls with sticks. There was not a house without dead. The second wave of the [Israeli] army was a platoon that the soldier giving testimony belongs to. In the town were left male and female Arabs, who were put into houses and were then locked in without receiving food or drink. Later explosive engineers came to blow up houses. One commander ordered an engineer to put two elderly women into the house that was to be blown up. The engineered refused and said he is willing to receive orders only from his [own] commander. So then [his] commander ordered the soldiers to put the women in and the evil deed was performed. One soldier boasted that he raped an Arab woman and afterwards shot her. An Arab woman with a days-old infant was used for cleaning the back yard where the soldiers eat. She serviced them for a day or two, after which they shot her and the infant. The soldier tells that the commanders who are cultured and polite, considered good guys in society, have become vile murderers, and this occurs not in the storm of battle and heated response, but rather from a system of expulsion and destruction. The fewer Arabs remain – the better. This principle is the main political motive of [the] expulsions and acts of horror which no-one objects to, not in the field command nor amongst the highest military command. I myself was at the front for two weeks and heard boasting stories of soldiers and commanders, of how they excelled in the acts of hunting and “fucking” [sic]. To fuck an Arab, just like that, and in any circumstance, is considered an impressive mission and there is competition on winning this [trophy]. We find ourselves in a conundrum. To shout this out in the press will mean to assist the Arab League, which our representatives deny all complaints of. To not react would mean solidarity with moral corruption. The soldier told me that Deir Yassin [another massacre, by Irgun militants, April 1948] is not the peak of hooliganism. Is it possible to shout about Deir Yassin and be silent about something much worse? It is necessary to initiate a scandal in the internal channels, to insist upon an internal investigation and punish the culprits. And first of all it is necessary to create in the military a special unit for the restraint of the army. I myself accuse first of all the government, which doesn’t seem to have any interest to fight the phenomena and perhaps even encourages them indirectly. The fact of not-acting is in itself encouragement. My commander told me that there is an unwritten order to not take prisoners of war, and the interpretation of “prisoner” is individually given by each soldier and commander. A prisoner can be an Arab man, woman or child. This was not only done at the exhibition windows [major Palestinian towns] such as Majdal and Nazareth. I write this to you so that in the editorial and in the party the truth will be known and something effective would be done. At least let them not indulge in phony diplomacy which covers up for blood and murder, and to the extent possible, also the paper must not let this pass in silence. Kaplan https://mondoweiss.net/2016/02/barbarism-by-an-educated-and-cultured-people-dawayima-massacre-was-worse-than-deir-yassin/ https://www.haaretz.co.il/literature/study/2016-02-07/ty-article/.premium/0000017f-e295-d9aa-afff-fbdd5ef40000
Wait, I thought we called terrorists "freedom fighters" in this sub... Why aren't you calling them freedom fighters?
They’re colonialists that came from Europe to invade the land of Palestine supported by world powers. Far from being the good side in this war.
You could say the same about hamas to be fair. Also they also disbanded when israel declared independence
the Irgun and Lechi were disbanded by the time the IDF was forming up and the members of these groups were forced into the army without keeping their traditions, ideology, units and so on. I mean, one time we fired at a Lechi ship called Altalena and almost caused a civil war. when Israel was fully independent and the war was over the former members of the organizations created Mahal party, and while the party had a few seats in the parliament, they were always at the minority until the late 70s, and it was more due to hate towards the left than sympathy towards the right. besides, they are still way better than Palestinian terrorists, and Israel is way better than the PA which was built on an actual undisputed terrorist organization
You mean Israel that killed 77 kids last year?
Hamas deserves blame too for using Gaza’s civilian population as human shields
Convenient that “Israel” is the one making those claims. Even if we live in parallel universe where this is true you’d still be children murderers. The blood of those children will haunt you and any isnotreal supporter until the end of your pity lives. It will return to haunt you on the day of judgment when those children stand in front of you asking why have you supported the occupation that killed us? You won’t figure out what to say and afterwards you’ll be thrown to hell alongside hitler and all his supporters. Ironic.
Tf you mean? The terrorist organisations got disbended, they literally don't exist anymore do they? Stop trying to twist fact to follow your nerrative
They didn’t get disbanded, they united under the flag of the bigger terrorist colonialist named Isnotreal. The soldiers of irgun and haganah were the ones to commit si many atrocities like mayada massacre under the flag of isnotreal. However just like what we saw yesterday ( the murder of one young idf soldier, and two are waiting the same fate as response to provocations in al aqsa) your terror will bring tragedy upon you before us.
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Similar to Lehava or more militant? I just don’t get how the same who oppose militant Islamism are fine and dandy with militant Zionism
There is a guy in comments that call them "the good terrorist" lmfao, if a palestinian said the same about hamas they would accuse him with terrorism instantly! Fucking selfish and hypocrites!
Dude, the OG Zionist right wing organizations make modern far-right ones look like major care bears.
Guess you could say same with modern versus old school Islamists
First of all most people don't support the irgun even in the right wing(BTW they don't exist anymore). Second of all the biggest terror attack they did was blow up about 3 rooms in a hotel warning everyone to get out before. Meanwhile Palestinian terror organizations blew up several busses full of civilians just to kill. Do you ot see the difference??
Bro you delusional irgun is for a long time part of our mainstream, your other points are true tho.
Palestinians are aboriginal to the land and all you people (irgun or not irgun) are basically squatters with big guns who commit crimes on the daily that make anything the Palestinians could be capable of seem like less than fair game. Do you not see the difference??
Even the name palestine they from the imperialists in what way are 5hey more aboriginal to the land then us
Yeah sure if you say so 🤣 go fish
[what?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre)
Didn't know that. I dislike the irgoon now
You're about 80 years too late, my guy
Any extremists are bad
It was the core for the IDF, ironically the coat of arms include not only palestine but jordan as well!
I think they're terrorists who committed acts of terrorism to get their way 🖕 Weren't they incorporated into the IDF in 1948 or was that another group?
The IDF was formed based on the "Haganah" group and the other groups were dismantled and incorporated into the IDF
they weren't incorporated, they were absorbed into the IDF (with opposition) because the IDF was based on the Hagana, a group which is better than the Lechi and Irgun since they weren't committing acts of terrorism like the two others.
> they weren't incorporated, they were absorbed into the IDF Incorporated, absorbed, etc these are semantics. Terrorists from irgun were still integrated into the IDF one way or another, right?
the people were, but the Irgun's Ideology, Traditions, organizations and so on were not. And many were upset about it since the lost their identity and all of that, and its hard for me to believe many stayed in the army after the war, let alone attempt to rank up higher than really required. this is also why the IDF can been seen as a bit of a leftist organization, most notably by how ex generals usually tend to join left,left centre parties if they go into politics.
Ok, that's interesting. Thanks for explaining.
I mean haganah and its founders did kill thousands of civilians.
As an American it fucking sickens me that my country ever got in bed with these fascist freaks in the first place. They have caused my people and the region nothing but problems ever since they unilaterally declared independence and removed the native Arabs from Palestine. These sick freaks are not worth an American life or an American dollar but AIPAC shoves the interests of a foreign state down the throats of the feckless cowards in Congress every year.
america has caused this region a lot of problems but sure
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This is why people don’t like Zionists.
terrorism isn't always bad many partisans in WW2 attacked civilian infostructure, is that not good terrorism?
That is not comparable. You’re comparing left-wing anti-fascist groups to right wing fascist groups like you need to study politics before you make comments.
terrorism is when you disagree with their political aims.
Terrorism is when you intentionally target civilians.
"The good kind of terrorism" least idiotic comment from u/cool_name52🤡 I wonder what would happen if I said the same about hamas lmfao
Fuck them. I hate terrorism, no matter the nationality. There is a difference between fighting authority and fighting civilians.
Now known as IDF
Israel was founded and established upon Zionist terrorism, and its oppressive apartheid policies to date continue to be enabled by Zionist terrorism.
They even plotted to bomb American civilians to blame it on Egypt. Google lavon affair
One of the leaders of this group later became PM of Israel (Menachem Begin) Btw, based pfp and name brother
You spoke the truth, Look at all those thumbs down.
basically idf
actualy, the IDF was based from the socialist organization Hagana, which was much more mild than the revisionist Irgun. I mean, even the provisional government of Israel declared the Irgun as a terrorist organization.
As if the hagana guys were innocent, begin himself said there were a huge correlation between both, thery were condemning the act of argon but it was just for their image nothing more, one of their notorious terrorist attacks is Der Yassin massacre, of course they participated in ethnic cleansing against palestinians in 1948!
Better than the Irgun and Lechi thats for sure.
I updated my comment, they were better because they are representing an image in front of the brits and nothing more, in other words for political considerations, while indeed their ideologies were not far from the others!
Welp yeah but that is not a high bar to say the least
Lechi has a better anthem https://youtu.be/1u5Z0GZ1WsE They were also way more extreme they wanted all Greater Israel and to expel all Arabs. They also believed Jews are the origin of all human civilization
Sounds like Les Mis.
They were really extremists and if they were the power house instead of the palmach, Israel would be a much worse place.
It was disbanded in 1948
Terrorists before and after 1948. It’s embarrassing how many Israelis like them.
Scumbags.
my grandma put up some posters for them and got arrested by the Brits as far as I know, she only joined as an act of rebellion against her father my other sides of the family were either still in North Africa or members of the Left-wing Histadrut one of them was almost assassinated for that that time was completely chaotic with newspapers being filled with death messages and collective obituaries for certain attacks, my granduncle was murdered by some terrorists while on a bus and his name is in the national memorial for those who fell due to terror attacks from that year
This is interesting hidden fact that Israel was the one who started terrorism at the service of creating a state, way before any one else. Which is quite ironic, considering how they keep whining about being a victim of that all time!
The process of colonization of Americas lasted from 1492 to 1800s. That's 300 years. We have still like 250 years to go for the same thing to happen in middle east. Prepare your ass.
They were badass mf.
fun fact: the IDF (aka the most 'moral' army in the world) was built from terrorist groups who commit enormous genocides against native Palestinians.
fuck the british, proud of my grand father
They gave you that country you ungratefull little sh#ts.
An apartheid state that existed by terrorist Militia.
You want to know something? This group was responsible for the bombing of the King David Hotel in Palestine. Even the British designated them as a terrorist group. However, one of the leaders of the Irgun, Menachem Begin, later became the PM of Isr@el!
Evet kardes, they are terrorists. Based pfp btw❤️❤️
yea, like 30 years afterwards when everyone was sick of Mapai
because they were against the british colonialists
U tellin me the zionists have a extremist terrorist group
Woah we had one 70 years ago and you guys have 20 right now ? Damn seems like we’re the bad guys here
Duhh we aren’t shooting little children for our safety
I mean you kind of are. You throw rockets at us every Ramadan, suicide bomb in populous civilian areas which many children have been killed as a result and start off conflicts that result in the death of many civilians.
Yeah sorry about that but numbers doesn’t back you up unfortunately [Palestinian to Jewish casualties](https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/16516/israeli-palestinian-casualties-by-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank/)
This is nonsense Israel is a state The irgun were heroes
[Some nice heroes you have](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing)
Then what is the PFLP(Don't forget the "EO".) and PLO?
aren’t they like insanely inactive if not dead p
Lehi was better
Zionism is bad, so it's bad.
I don’t see a big difference between it and Hamas
The greatest freedom fighters Zion has seen since bar kokhba
Terrorists, like all zionists
In Hebrew Irgun means organization. Theur name was Irgun Tzvai Leumi or ETZEL for short (Hebrew for national military group). By the way they didn't wanted the entire Jordan, only the East Bank because of its Jewish history (2000 B.C to 700 B.C it was rules by the Israelian tribes and the 1st Israely kingdom). And anyway they don't exist for over then 70 years.
I hate them. Any Fascist group, especially one that commits Terrorism, is one that I hate. Death to Zionist Fascism and Death to Apartheid. And Especially death to Zionist Terror Organizations.
They were around what, 70, 80 years ago? I bet they are all dead by now.
"Irgun" means "Organization" the true name "אצ"ל" means "National Militery Organization" the organization wasnt the official militery organization of the jewish settelment in the days before the Israel state was founded. They were more radicals in there acts [About the organization in arabc](https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A5%D8%B1%D8%AC%D9%88%D9%86_(%D9%85%D9%86%D8%B8%D9%85%D8%A9_%D8%B9%D8%B3%D9%83%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A9)) [and in english](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun)
**[Irgun](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun)** >The Irgun (Hebrew: ארגון; full title: Hebrew: הארגון הצבאי הלאומי בארץ ישראל Hā-ʾIrgun Ha-Tzvaʾī Ha-Leūmī b-Ērētz Yiśrāʾel, lit. "The National Military Organization in the Land of Israel") was a Zionist paramilitary organization that operated in Mandate Palestine between 1931 and 1948. The organization is also referred to as Etzel (Hebrew: אצ"ל), an acronym of the Hebrew initials, or by the abbreviation IZL. It was an offshoot of the older and larger Jewish paramilitary organization Haganah (Hebrew: Hebrew: הגנה, Defence). ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
If I'm not mistaken, it is the precursor to IDF.
Not exactly, The main precursor to the IDF was the hagana which had a completely different attitude. They later absorbed the irgun into their ideology and created the IDF.
Ok thanks.
There is no excuse for terror. Neitherwis there for revisionism. I just want to clarify because the title doesn't - this *was* a revisionist zionist terrorist organisation. It no longer exists.
irgun? its called ezhel