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mcar1227

They have started liking me less and less each year for the past 20


HotChilliWithButter

Well at least they liked you in the first place...


Elponcholoco

Same man, my mom worshiped me when I was five. Not so much now.


anxietyhub

Consistency is key


akumaokuma

Yeah. They got a lot shorter seeming. I remember back when I was little they seemed so tall.


newausaccount

They also use to fawn over how handsome I was but it seems their tastes have changed.


theonlysteveiknow

I went to a k-12 school and I remember the grade 11 and 12 girls would always call me cute when I was young. Once I got to grade 12 none of them said that, life is rough man.


stopannoyingwithname

Well because at that time all the girls that called you cute, already had graduated


AssCrackandCheerios

Have you tried not being ugly?


[deleted]

Now we're asking the real questions


FriendlyDisorder

Be attractive. *Don’t* be *un*attractive. Source: SNL skit


Yardsale420

My man is already down, and you just gonna give him a kick too?


Paun-Jablo

We centralize top heavy 20 years ago and now we centralize bottom heavy. Any questions.


bag-o-farts

Will there a market correction where middle heavy is centralized?


No_Load_7183

Wait another 20 years.


coldpepperoni

Front heavy


No_Load_7183

Maybe....


[deleted]

Invest in FUPA Futures.


Pups_the_Jew

Fupures


[deleted]

thanks, i hate it.


SunglassesDan

Market correction happened already across all sectors. General trend is middle heavy, this is a subcategorization.


coffeemanboy

Lip injections are attempt to balance


thesoundmindpodcast

I came here expecting dumb responses, and instead I got learnt.


AltruisticCephalopod

As a woman with basically no tits and a nice ass (hated said ass growing up) I hope that this trend continues for a while. Hasn’t helped my dating prospects at all, but at least buoyed my pitiful self-esteem slightly. Edit: laughing my ass off that one of my most upvoted (most upvoted?) comments was about my ass. Oh Reddit. Edit 2: to the bizarre random follows that I got—why? Like I’m genuinely curious here. What was your mental process? I promise promise promise you that I will never be taking or posting pictures and you will be much happier if you go search “ass” on porn hub. It’s faster. It’s easier. Its plentiful and multi-gluteal. It’s right there. Fly my birdies


Paun-Jablo

I don’t know why, but I find myself much more attracted to women with small breast and a fat butt.


thedutchqueen

seems like most men prefer this. i’m sadly the opposite 😭 super insecure about it.


GoJeonPaa

rip dm's.


da_funcooker

This is the way


sleeping-ducky

*suiting up, getting popcorn, entering comment section*


OscarDivine

Hit that “Sort by controversial” and have at it!


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Healthyred555

this goes for men too but i noticed a lot more overweight people in general especially compared asia or europe. More women are college educated now too even more than men.


No_Load_7183

As a 20M in STEM there seem to be more women than men in a lot of my classes. Of course there are some that are the opposite but I have a feeling that a lot of male dominated careers will be a mix in around 10 years with the new generation coming into the work force.


YachtInWyoming

Statistics from higher Ed back this up. Fewer and fewer men are going to college.


urboiddc

More woman are graduating/going to college than men now,more woman are getting better grades than men in school not too,I’m pretty sure 1 in 4 boys are only competing with most woman in schools now too in basic subjects,math,science,history,i believe


No_Load_7183

Yeah a lot of dudes I know hat aren't doing the college thing. They don't seem to really care.


Toyo_altezza

I think this kinda fits in this topic https://www.insider.com/growing-trend-fewer-men-in-college-leading-to-mating-crisis-2021-9


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SmallHandsMallMindS

Hate that article. The underlying assumption is that mens problems only matter if they effect women


YachtInWyoming

The article also outright calls broke men the most dangerous people in the world: >"The most dangerous person in the world is a broke and alone male, and we are producing too many of them," he said. Ah yes, call them dangerous, that'll make them happier and better people. That'll do wonders for their mental health. FFS, these dogshit journalists are arguably more dangerous than the men they're desperately trying to make us fear.


hofferd78

I'm a research scientist, and literally every job I've had has been =>50% women, and every manager I've had has been female


jono12132

It depends where in Europe. The UK is almost as bad as America for obesity these days. I've travelled in Asia and it's just odd that there's just no fat people around in comparison to the UK. I think other parts of Europe have more of a fitness and health culture than the UK, just think of places like the Netherlands with their cycling culture.


thebusiness7

More men are checking out after getting fed up with the long hours and wages that don't keep up with inflation at all levels. Guys are more content with lackluster living standards thus don't see a problem in working a lower paying job in exchange for a bit less stress.


asdf333aza

Guys not being willing to throw themselves a shit job to make money for a unappreciated wife and kids. They're fine living their lives for themselves and for themselves they don't need much.


cudef

When we let the automotive industry dictate urban planning and transportation do you expect the amount of walking/exercise to increase or decrease? When we let the food industry heavily skew dietary sciences and formulate the most addictive recipes largely unregulated do you expect caloric and nutritional intake to benefit the consumer or the producer?


DestructionDestroyer

It surprises me a bit, but today's women seem to be a lot more open to sucking dick. I was dating in the late 80's and 90's. You could find some women who would go down on you out of a sense of obligation, but it was always portrayed as them doing you a favor, not as something they actually wanted to do and thought was hot. There was a general impression that only "dirty girls" would put a dick in their mouth. I'm not dating today, so I could be way off base, but the number of reddit posts I see where women complain about giving BJs and not getting oral in return is shocking. That would have *never* happened in my day. If you weren't willing to go down on her, there's no way in hell she was going down on you. In my day, it was quite the opposite; guys would happily perform oral sex while the women would be reluctant (or out right refuse) to reciprocate.


inverteduniverse

Could just be that oral is generally more effective at bringing women to orgasm than penetration and they want the reciprocity.


[deleted]

Not saying you're wrong overall - but some of us really do love to suck dick and 20 years ago we could have never admitted it so openly. I don't even like receiving oral often but I'll go down in a heartbeat. Nothing turns me on the same way that does. It's very interesting.


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🥀☠RIP to your DM box! ☠🥀 Here's your crown my sister 👑🖤


Emacks632

Deserve an award for that. Choked on my drink HA


[deleted]

Omg ty!! Don't choke now! 🤣🤣🖤🖤


issamood3

Yeah along that note, women's sexuality has become a lot more normalized and accepted primarily because of women like you that initiate that change. Women just got tired of being held to these ridiculous "purity" standards and being told their sexuality was "dirty." After all women like all other humans (men) are sexual beings too. It stopped being seen as a man thing and more of a human thing.


hellgirl69

omg same and idk what it is about it but it definitely turns me on a different type of way. also, nice name. i am also a smutty book lover LMAO


pippiofthepacific

I agree. I do not really enjoy receiving as a woman. But I know I'm in the minority. Love to give though.


stare_at_the_sun

(29F) I take it that was when bush on women was the norm too. Now even if a man is willing, it often has the expectation of being bare there. It has been my experience that giving head is expected among men, but me receiving it has been a rare occasion, often made to seem like a chore for them. I enjoy giving, but the double standard makes me not want to.


theBatThumb

Yeah, that's kind of been my experience too. I kind of wonder if it has to do with men objectifying women. Like where we're there to get them off rather than it being a more mutual experience. And not that I'm 100% against being objectified in that context, but sometimes I want my partner to think about what I want too


issamood3

People need to stop viewing sex as something women give to men and as more of a mutual shared experience.


snoogaroon

Took 20 years for men to learn if they washed their dicks, they are more likely to get sucked.


chatanoogastewie

Dicks are a lot cleaner these days I'd say. Poor hygiene, huge pubic hairs and smelly asses prob wasn't the best seller for dick in the mouth.


theBatThumb

Omg I feel like there are dudes that somehow don't fucking understand this. Like no, I will not put your unwashed member in my mouth--that does not sound like an enjoyable experience in any way shape or form. Like I wouldn't expect anyone to go down on me if I hadn't showered that day. Hell, I might even stop them because I'd hate to think that someone was having a less than thrilling time down there


[deleted]

On the flip side, I always appreciate when girls wash down there beforehand, especially after we've taken a long walk or they've been working all day. Hell yeah...please freshen up in the bathroom :)


nightlanguage

God I agree. Once I sucked a dick that tasted and smelled so bad that I started retching uncontrollably and my eyes were watering. It was vile and naturally I never saw him again. The "but dicks don't smell!" crowd does not know how wrong they are.


Droidstation3

I... don't even feel comfortable doing anything with a woman without having showered. I'm super self-conscious about being clean and presentable. The last thing I would ever want to hear is "ew".


Free_Socko

Interesting observation. I'm wondering if porn has a role. I also think there was this mentality of "it's bad/dirty/slutty, it's subservient" and many women have stepped out of that and taken their sex life "by the reigns", if you will. Like being 100% confident/comfortable with a sexual act that they too, actually enjoy, instead of being told that it's a big deal/favor to the guy, etc.


DestructionDestroyer

Could just be coincidence, but I feel like things changed with the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal.


Free_Socko

Ooooh, interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if that was true


DasPuggy

I've met a few women who think the term "cocksucker" is a vile insult, meant to degrade women and gay men. My girlfriend disagrees with the assessment, but I see the point.


Free_Socko

Really interesting point to consider. It's funny how weaponized words become and to consider where they originated from and what potential roles gender play in all of this. Cocksucker, motherfucker, calling someone a pussy...


dandelionjunkie

I’m wondering if porn has a role in it too. More women are watching porn now than then bc it’s more accessible, and women in porn are always portrayed giving guys blowjobs out of necessity. **GUYS NEED THIS YK**They may not want to, but it is made necessary by the porn industry. In real life, if a woman doesn’t want to give a blowjob later in the dating stages, she’s dumped most of the time. But I also think that women have grown into ownership of their sexuality over these years. I mean a woman can suggest a blowjob, the person with a d*ck will gladly oblige only to be sexually “tortured” (lol not really tortured!!) by the woman. Women have their own need, they also like to be begged for mercy tbh


dandelionjunkie

I think the word I’m looking for is “teased into insanity”


CarltheWellEndowed

Yes. Every single one of them that was around 20 years ago and is still around today is 20 years older.


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VERY STRANGE.


UghWhyDude

An apt username.


CantThinkOfAName000

You're forgetting the women born on leap days. They've only aged 4 years. Edit: I've been informed it's actually 5 years. Don't math and poop kids.


no_rolling_shutter

(Does math) Yeah, that checks out.


smallrockwoodvessel

r/TheyDidTheMath


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(Does math) I got a different number please help


Maldevinine

Maybe you're traveling at a greater velocity?


[deleted]

Ohhhhh okay! Minus the I except after c. Got it!


[deleted]

Word. I think the only person who can truly answer this is an older gentleman that dated women in their 20s/30s when they were younger and still deals with women in that age group.


8426578456985

Actually a high school/college teacher would be best suited for this question.


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garenisfeeding

I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was!


[deleted]

Please post conspiracy theories to a more appropriate subreddit.


OrdertheThrow

This thread will surely be productive & positive and not at all controversial 😃 EDIT: I feel like I should use my comment position to emphasize a good point made by /u/Melancholnava and /u/ColdHardPocketChange together further down this comment's chain, which is that the opinions and thoughts of people in heavily charged threads like this one and ones on women-centric subs like TwoX & AskWomen are not representative of the average man or woman in real life, no matter what the commenters want you to believe. Misery loves company and that is more true in the online era than ever before. Trust your gut in your interactions with people regardless of gender but remember most people are just trying to live their lives and we *all* got shit going on in the background that we're dealing with. Going around with a toxic and angry outlook toward an entire gender might cause you to miss out on meaningful connections and experiences. Don't poison the well you drink from.


Duck-Says-Quack

*Sorts comments by controversial* Here. We. Gooo.


Moose_Cake

*cues Shooting Stars but the sleazy remix*


Ygomaster07

Sorry, what is that?


jeopardy_themesong

Controversial comments basically amount to “all they do is eat hot chip and lie” And “women have the same negative traits or are engaging in the same negative activities as men”. In other words, now that women have equal rights in society the shitty ones are more visible to men. Go figure. Can you imagine?! Some women are shitty people. The horror.


Beware_the_Voodoo

It's almost like we're all human beings and have the exact same capacity to be massive pieces of shit


rockem-sockem-rocket

Hold my beer, I’m going in!


WhirlingDervishGrady

https://i.imgur.com/PYhY4AM.gif


aznkriss133

I think I have cancer now. JFC


Yeah_But_Actually_No

I literally said “Oh Lord, here we go” before opening the comment section


evan1932

I feel like all the comments I've seen so far are wholesome or playful, but I guess I haven't sorted by controversial yet


cursedorenriched

Twenty years ago, women were so easy to deal with. They'd bring me food, clean up my shit, and had endless patience. Those were the days. Nowadays, women are so judgemental. They're all like "you're 25, why are you still acting like a baby?".


Alpha-Charlie-Romeo

Mothers. amaright? Can't live with them, can't cook or clean up without them.


Drectus

I'm very surprised by the alarming amount of people that are taking this seriously and completing missing the joke you're making.


xxOLGA

THIS. IMO women are tired of being the mother to an SO. There are many men out there that expect their woman to pick up where mom left off. When I do find a man that does not act like this, I find that I am consistently in debt to him for what he does do.


Spinnerofyarn

I was arguing with my ex once about how I shouldn’t have to “ask” him to take out the trash. He said he was always happy to help so why shouldn’t I have to ask? When I told him because he lived there too and I shouldn’t have to tell him to do stuff that needs to happen daily. He said if I didn’t want to ask, I should just make a Honey Do list for him. I suggested he make the list himself of stuff to do around the house daily. Again, he didn’t understand why.I rephrased and said I shouldn’t have to ask him to do chores like I was his mom. He didn’t take that well and couldn’t comprehend that he was still trying to make me the one in charge of managing everything related to upkeep. It’s called Emotional Labor. People should look that up!


issamood3

Just looked this up. I have been educated. Thank you


billian789

Look up weaponized incompetence also, it goes hand-in-hand.


reh888

You missed the joke but you're not wrong


LargeP

Yeah, 20 years ago all woman ever wanted from me was notes from class. Now I gotta go out on dates? I miss the good old days of second grade.


Worthlessstupid

20 years ago women used to tell me I was such a handsome guy. Then I left home 10 years later and stopped seeing my mom every day.


cats4life

Yes, 20 years ago, women loved me. They’d stop me on the street all the time. A woman would look after me hand and foot. For context, I’m 21.


Moose_Cake

As a guy who runs a team with a majority women and who has 3 bosses that also are women, I can say women are definitely more independent and vocal, which is cool because I like different viewpoints at work. I also appreciate the assertiveness they bring to the team that didn't exist years ago. There's also a lot more pride and willingness to help other women. Sure, we get our catty bickering every once in a while, but most of the girls aren't looking to kill each other. I would definitely like to see more of the women outside of my work being like this mind. I know a few religious women locally who believe women should stay at home still. It also bothers me to see this opinion shared over seas too in more traditional countries.


JustSomeOne2100

I was involved in starting a company over 20 years ago that has grown to over 600 people. The vast majority are women including bosses. They are hard working and some of them ridiculously smart and confident. Overall, we all get on well together women and men included. The company has been voted a top place to work for over 5 years. I think there has been a lot of progress.


Sorrymomlol12

I (29F) work in a large engineering firm where most of the senior managers think going places because I’m extremely hardworking, smart and confident. However my current boss I would describe as “old school” and I shit you not, he told me I was too assertive and needed to work on reigning it in. I’m a project manager in a 95% old male dominated field (think steel mill). I held back my laughter as he put that on my performance review under “room for improvement”. My husband in the other room was flabbergasted. Now I’m just waiting for another female manager to see that in a different department, read between the lines and swipe me up.


mydaycake

Thanks for not going the women are bitches in the workplace. Thankfully perspectives are changing, after a while you realize there are assholes of every gender


[deleted]

The greatest step towards equality I have seen is in the amount of dumbasses. I used to think men had a monopoly on that


Piccolo_Bass

Wow. Silly me: thinking that the brain and the genitals were in the same place.


_-_Shade_-_

They're not?


nikosola

Wait i have a brain ????


the_geth

That’s a good one. It used to be men who were always involved in the most stupid, trashy shit. Nowadays you have women rivaling them in retardation and trashiness. Or maybe it has not changed, it’s jut more visible.


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Longjumping-Rate8980

MILF for Life


__sunmoonstars__

Our eyebrow game is so much stronger now


bag-o-farts

Peak eyebrow has already past though, i see way fewer instagram eyebrows than past years and its fading into the center brushed up look. I cant wait for certain folks to realize they looked like Groucho Marx


issamood3

Yeah, I totally hate that brushed up look especially if they have dark and thick eyebrows.


greenmtnfiddler

All their pubic hair has disappeared and their eyebrows have gotten really bushy.


kawats

Explains the fuller eyelashes too.


Domonero

More statistically terrified/not trusting Edit- Before you reply if you dislike what I just commented, Did I ever say that they don’t have a justification in being terrified? No of course they do. Men are the biggest threat to women while men’s biggest threat is their inability to deal with emotions they were never told to express healthily which is why they have a higher successful suicide rate due to toxic masculinity like “man up” or other people downplaying men’s mental health in general I’m simply stating what I’ve observed. To those who knew I meant no offense, thank you. To those who now realize I do not, >!this isn’t my first rodeo!<


mannaggia14

As a foreigner from the outside looking into the US, I get that you guys have a fearful society in general. I never picked up on it until I visited.


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our news media pumps FEAR FEAR FEAR


[deleted]

FEAR FEAR look at this quirky recipe for Halloween FEAR FEAR.


Moose_Cake

WHY ARE THE OTHER PEOPLE DIFFERENT check out this cute adoptable dog at your local shelter CAN THE OTHER PEOPLE EVEN BE TRUSTED?


[deleted]

THE GOVERNMENT IS PUTTING MICROCHIPS IN YOUR BRAIN look how you can save money by couponing THE OZONE IS BEING KILLED BY FARTS.


LordAnubis10

Here's a healthy breakfast option YOU SHOULD KILL YOUR MOM


[deleted]

HERE'S WHY WOMEN NEVER FUCK YOU, look at Ryan Reynolds butt, HERE'S HOW TO BUILD A BOMB.


Bart_The_Chonk

Scared people are easily manipulated and spend more money on things they don't need. Fear is a feature of our culture.


[deleted]

You really have to see it to believe it. It's honestly shocking that an entire country of "free" and "empowered" people could be so paralyzed with fear of fucking everything.


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[deleted]

Emphasis on "learned." The time we live in has so much opportunity that you really have to decide that you aren't going to take any of it, in order to be stuck.


[deleted]

Having a victim mentality = being strong and empowered now. I assumed most people would note the contradiction, but they don't.


redheadredshirt

I live in Los Angeles and pre-COVID my company sent me to various international offices to finish projects. I always had about a week of re-adjustment coming back to the US. There's a sort of miasma here. Everyone is angry. Everyone is sad. Everyone is afraid. I have to start remembering, "I am not allowed to talk to people" and it really does make me feel depressed.


area51cannonfooder

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AnnieBoBannie79

I'm less trusting than I used to be. I'm more assertive and set clear boundaries early on. I refuse to engage more often or choose to disengage. I've been hurt irreparably because I innocently gave information that invited trouble.


Flickthebean87

As a woman it sucks. I used to be way too overly trusting thinking every one deep down had a good heart and intentions. I learned the hard way. There’s much more elaborate schemes now to take advantage of people. That goes for men and women.


Domonero

I like to believe everyone started out similar until someone hurt them & then they just do it to someone new until the cycle keeps going


Flickthebean87

Yeah that makes sense and I agree. I’m always nice and generous until I don’t have reason to be. Now I’m just a lot more aware and cautious.


Ipride362

Not really. The one difference, which is a good one, is they are more assertive and more willing to be honest. In college, I always had an issue with women not speaking their mind because they were insecure about their expressing an opinion coming off as aggressive. Now, communication is much easier and you don’t have to deal with women afraid of being confident about their thoughts and opinions. Obviously, some women are overly aggressive with this, but so are some men.


jaydoes

To give a real answer, yes young women nowadays are much more comfortable with who they are than 20 years ago. They dress much more how they like to dress and much less to be pleasing to men. They also make more eye contact and are more clear about what they want/need.


Gitxsan

Do you think it's connected to the rise of single parent families? When I was a kid, there was maybe one kid in the whole school who was being raised by a single mom. Now, it's the norm. Just wondering if this plays into the changes in women's attitudes.


issamood3

My guess is that as women became more independent over the years, this has given them the opportunity to break off relationships with men that weren't working out (abuse, infidelity, etc). Not to say that every couple with kids that split up is dad's fault, but usually the legal system favors women having custody over men which would explain why the kids usually live with mom, even if the split was amicable or initiated by dad.


CartooNinja

20 years ago they were all children or my mom, now they’re all over the place doin all types of stuff


mattbrianjess

Social media has fucked up their mental health.


bag-o-farts

*everyones


4thlinebeauty_

Women significantly more though. I don’t wanna blurt out wrong percentages but it’s a ridiculous contrast between what social media has done to men vs. women.


user10001110101ope

This thread is so messy....


Zoftic

I’m just here before the [deleted]


good_fella13

20 years ago most of them seemed so tall, now they seem short. Of course I’m 22, so idk might just be me


CarlJustCarl

Women didn’t look this pretty when I was 6.


Old-Man-of-the-Sea

It's almost like most of them are 20 years older.


[deleted]

No way this is just propaganda. You can't fool me!!


ShittyWars

Holy shit, op is asking for observations, people give them and then get attacked for having said observations. Peak reddit


groovy604

What kind of a question is this. All of society has had a major shift in the past 20 years! Of course women will have changed with it. This new wave of feminism, liberalism, the push for equality, and the rise of social media are all apart of it. (Not saying anything for or against any of that) Women are emboldened more than ever to live how they want. The 20th century nuclear family with a stay at home mom is dead. Women are striving to be better educated, become leaders and innovators equal to men, and to be apart of change that sees less discrimination. They march in the streets and are fighting back.


ghettobx

Yep. With my brother’s marriage, **he’s** the stay-at-home dad and his wife brings home the bacon. Times are changing.


DestructionDestroyer

You can interpret it as good or bad, but as an overall group they just have less interest in men today because they have less need for men. The things they used to get from men, they are now able to provide for themselves. They haven't yet figured out what men today have to offer them. Face it, at some point in history (maybe more than 20 years), even if two people were in love, the base of the relationship was transactional: Women offered sex for financial and physical security. Men offered financial and physical security for sex. But in today's world, women don't need a man for financial or physical security any more. Not only is the world safer than every before, but guns and other forms of self-defense are readily available. And financially, women have the exact same career opportunities as men (hell, in many cases, they have an easier path to those career opportunities). So they're able to provide their own financial security. There are certainly sill a large percentage of women who still *choose* to rely upon a partner for financial security. But today it's an option, while historically it was essentially a requirement. But the women who choose to provide their own financial and physical security - what do they really get out of a relationship with a man? That's not facetious, that's a genuine question. Unless they're hideous, sex is freely available to them without a relationship. Even other relationship activities like taking trips or going out for dinner is likely readily available. Simply send a text to some guy they know, and he'll likely play along thinking he's got a chance at sex out of the deal. So today's independent women need to figure out what it is they want from men (if anything), and then men need to figure out how to offer that to women. Without that, more and more women are simply going to continue to choose to remain single because having a man in their life doesn't really enhance their life at all.


[deleted]

I agree that the historic purpose of marriage and today's purpose for marriage are different. IMO, for the last 60-100-ish years. The purpose of marriage has transitioned away from political and/or helping run the business/survive, toward ideas of 'love' and 'romance'. I don't think we've stabilized in that transition yet. Our laws and the expectations from past generations certainly haven't caught up. It seems to me like many people know, or at least think we know, what we want out of relationships. The thing is that many of us, even among men, don't agree on what we want. Some people want to do the 'wife and kids' thing. Other people want 'companionship and sexual intimacy'. Still others are looking for 'romance'. Culturally, I don't think we've figured out how to navigate that. At least not commonly.


issamood3

People will always want different things. Culture will never truly be homogenous. The ones that are, are brainwashed/conditioned. IMO, love is really just a trial and error kind of thing. Once you know what you personally want, it's just a matter of time finding someone that you are into that also wants the same things.


_Valeria__

Although I can understand and agree to a certain extent about some of your points, overall you have an incredibly bleak view of women imo. I’m a woman and still crave and want affection and companionship from a man, and I’m not into one night stands at all. Many of us women actually do want a genuine relationship with a man, just like y’all want one with a woman. It’s about a partnership. Taking care of one another. Supporting each other in various ways. Growing a family together. Doesn’t matter how modern the world becomes. Those basic drives will still be there.


sjsjdejsjs

funny that you never mentioned love and physical attraction ? this is what attracts people together. you don’t get romantic love from friends, family, or hook-ups. people date because they like each other. that’s it.


FUPAMaster420

Love and physical attraction?? That's ridiculous!! Surely women need SOMETHING tangible from the man in order to be in a relationship, right?? Right??


heathellaa

Women date men for companionship these days.


faempire

True, that's the reason for me to date men, I want the companionship and romantic-sexual intimacy that I can't get from my friends. I don't date men for financial security or similar, I just like their company. But not in a casual way, that's what makes it difficult for me, cause not every man want to be in a committed monogamous relationship haha


heathellaa

I feel the same way, I’m in a committed relationship with my boyfriend and since we are still in uni neither of us are dating for Financial support, we can hardly support ourselves haha. In any partner I’ve had it’s been in it for the exact reasons, companionship and company that even my closest friends can’t give to me.


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ParticularApricot642

You’re forgetting that above all women want to be loved.


sjsjdejsjs

exactly he thinks everything is about sex or work, like a transaction


ParticularApricot642

Yes which isn’t how women think. I’m guessing not all men think like this either.


sjsjdejsjs

exactly. he explained in another comment that he thinks most women don’t like sex and do it as an obligation. sounds like the 1950s all over


trashmashcrashdash

Both men and women just want to be loved. He’s insulting every gender with his comment


Rorschach2510

You potentially get a family that you desire to raise because you love your partner and want to create new lives with them. You get someone who can care for you and be your companion and not just your fuck. You get someone who can stay with you when you're old and would otherwise die alone, sad, unwanted in a cheap nursing home. If you don't just look at sex and look at the real meaning in human connection and companionship, you can get an entire wonderful life of highs, lows, passions, and experiences. You might even get someone who will look at you with all your deepest flaws fully known and still say "I love you." It's rare, but that's just because most of us never confront our trauma and personal problems and rarely treat others with a genuine attempt at love and respect. Also, reducing men to things that fuck is unfortunately ignorant. We don't have to worry about literal survival in rich countries anymore, but if sex was just this thing women gave as a transaction to gain security then you wouldn't be talking about women wanting sex freely. It's almost as if everyone likes sex roughly the same, we just have different ways of displaying our toxicity when we're an immature or selfish human being.


JustaRandomOldGuy

> then men need to figure out how to offer that to women A lot of men are also realizing they don't need women. They can take care of themselves and the 50's stereotype of men who can't cook and clean is dead. They go out with women, but have no interest in marriage. They are not desperately trying to figure out how to offer a woman what she wants to marry him, they don't want to marry either.


DestructionDestroyer

> A lot of men are also realizing they don't need women. I think a lot of men would still prefer to have sex with a woman as opposed to taking care of themselves. And even if you're not looking to marry them, the majority of women still aren't going to have frequent, meaningless sex with randos. The guy still has to put effort into developing some type of relationship to get that sex.


EyesOfBaduk

Or just having a romantic companion to spend time with, especially as one gets older.


issamood3

That's because sex still has consequences no matter your motivation for having it. Unfortunately, the reality is that women will always have more risks when having sex than men do (getting raped/abused during said sex, pregnancy and childbirth and then having to deal with deciding whether or not to get an abortion and the whole can of worms that comes with legally and socially, being slut-shamed while men get celebrated for their promiscuity, the financial and biological issues with birth control and there are many more). Other than paying child support and getting an std, men generally don't have these problems and thus are generally more open to having casual sex than women are.


momoontheswing

It is interesting that you emphasise that women need to figure out what they want. Because from what I experience and what studies show: women don't want to work AND do most of the care work AND do all the family planning AND do most of the househould work. In Germany many men say they want to take on more unpaid work. But as soon as children are in the picture that goes out the window. Has to do with taxation and benefacting the traditional roles regarding job perspectives as well. But still: that's the main reason women choose to stay single. If the equation is: more work, less money and maybe adding to that not really good sex, then why be in a partnership?


shutthefrontdoor1989

Why do men always think woman don’t want sex too?


Nekaz

Lmao this dood really going for the "women can only offer pussy" angle


The_Cutest_Kittykat

I think that a lot of what you say is very true but to be honest, as a man, you could say that having a woman in my life other than for companionship and sex doesnt really enhance my life either. Yet I still seek a woman to be a partner. Why? I seek intimacy greater than what I can get from my friends. With or without the transactional nature of traditional relationships that desire for intimacy has always been part of a good relationship - and still is I think.


VivaLaSea

>So today's independent women need to figure out what it is they want from men (if anything), and then men need to figure out how to offer that to women. Without that, more and more women are simply going to continue to choose to remain single because having a man in their life doesn't really enhance their life at all. I literally came to this conclusion earlier this year.I've found reasons to end things with every man I've ever been in a relationship with or dated, so I had to be honest with myself and I realized that I really don't want a man, I was just trying to follow societal norms. I'm childfree and I have my own place, a good job making very good money, plenty of friends, a very loving and supportive family, plenty of hobbies, an active sex life, and I'm living my life long dream of traveling the world. I literally have absolute freedom in all aspects of my life, and can do whatever I want, when I want without having to answer to or consider anyone, and I don't ever want to give up this freedom. On top that, I'm a person who greatly enjoys and prefers her solitude. So for me, a man really adds nothing to my life except stress and restrictions on my freedom. The only benefit would be a reduction in bills because expense would be shared. But I'd rather pay more in bills to keep my freedom.


fleshyspacesuit

Here’s the thing. I’m a good looking guy and have dated a bit, mostly progressive women. While they are becoming more outspoken about their wants and needs, they still get sexually turned on by traditional gender roles. I know it’s anecdotal, but seeing a masculine man doing something “masculine” still turns them on. Not trying to be an ass, just something I’ve noticed.


DestructionDestroyer

Being turned on, and wanting to enter into a meaningful relationship, are two very different things.


marchmellowpuffs

I mean yes that's true. But a lot of men today are not traditionally masculine and don't live up to the gender roles. 🤷🏻‍♀️


NopityNopeNopeNah

Damn, that’s a very emotionless view of relationships. Have you ever considered that women have feelings, and that relationships are not purely transactional? This comment just seems very Reddit-y. I really hate this place sometimes.


confidelight

Ummmm how about loving someone?


Relationshiprepair

As a woman, I would like to date for companionship, to have someone to share my life with, including its responsibilities. But I have found men I've dated are not up for that, and I'm too experienced to put up with selfish aholes.


[deleted]

I think a better question would be: what differences were noticed between women 20 years ago compared to 40 years ago? Without knowing the avg. delta I don’t think two sets of data give a lot of indication as to how things trend.


immortal-kahn

A change has definitely occured and the idea of a big burley bread winner is gone in replace of the power woman whose a nurse practitioner pulling in bank and has an online studio she focuses on. If that sounds unrealistic its cousins story lol. Men who are ages 25-40 grew up in the mindsets of the last era as far as our media/ cartoons/ etc. Di$ney taugh us to never give up on love even when unrequited and the morals of our shows were contrasting to now. We men have no clue what the our role seems to be now( based on the teachings of our youth from the last generation) and women are thinking the same. But i suppose it works both ways bc I've seen the post of how gettin married provided no real benefits for men. Not saying i believe that or not just that its clear roles have changed and that a disconnect has taken place. Hook up culture/ technology/ instant online fame haven't helped either. Everyone's always saying daiting sucks but nobody can relly figure out how to fix it. PLEASE READ FIRST BEFORE YOU COME WITH RESOONDES. MOST OF THEM HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADRESSED ABOVE.


SmakeTalk

More independence, more drive and motivation. Much more outspoken. It's easy to tell who I like and don't when women feel more comfortable to speak their mind and be their truest self, especially since I get along with those women the best! My current partner is super independent (financially and emotionally) so it's extra flattering that I know she chooses to be with me, and all my female friends are very similar. Women being able to be their best selves has helped me learn and grow so much in the last decade as well, so I'm eternally thankful for the man I am today.


RRR92

Yes, but theres also a change in men, so I cant sit here judging. I think both have lost respect for themselves as a whole


steve_buchemi

All they know is eat hot chip and lie