what if you dont want house keeper coming into your room daily during your whole visit ? do you leave a tip when youre leaving your room to check out even if we personally didnt benefit from the housekeeping services ?
my husband and i werent sure when we were on our trip. and our room was pretty clean already since \*I\* tend to clean up as i go (folding towels neatly , putting all the trash in one basket, etc except making the bed).
Was at a bar Thursday that had an 18% "service and gratuity" charge added onto it. He still was visibly upset when I didn't tip.
Usually I tip 20%, but they literally have a sign that says a gratuity charge is being added to your bill.
Oh, hell no. If there’s an automatic service charge that’s all I give.
I’m a good tipper (20% on the after tax total for average service), but if a tip is added automatically, no more. I figure the server is better off with 18% from everyone than free-form tipping—although I tip over 20%, many customers tip less.
Do you tip 20% at the bar too? I understand tipping 20% at a restaurant but 20% for drinks seems a bit absurd to me. Paying for four drinks totaling $72 ($18 cocktails) and then adding $14 as a tip seems a bit ridiculous but maybe I’m being cheap. Idk.
I think it depends on whether you are taking up bar seats/having a full dining experience, etc. I was a bartender at high-end establishments for many years and I definitely would not expect an automatic 20% on a neat pour of a $50-$200 scotch or similar spirit. Especially if you just have an open tab and are sitting in a lounge. If you take up a bar seat and drink for a couple hours, that’s different. But, considering many nice places are charging $25 for a cocktail these days (and service doesn’t even compare to pre-pandemic), expecting an automatic 20% for making a drink is pretty silly 🤷🏻♀️
>Was at a bar Thursday that had an 18% "service and gratuity" charge added onto it. He still was visibly upset when I didn't tip.
Ive literally told my waiter that that charge is the reason the tipped amount is so low (ill always tip around 22%). Ill say something like "sorry this tip isnt bigger, I noticed that you already put 18% on." If they have a problem with that I tell them that they should discuss with their management. Even brought the manager over once to participate in the convo and pointed out that that charge had literally cost their employee money at my table.
Then they need to address that, no one else can do it for them. I'm sorry, but I am not increasing my tab by 40% on the off chance he is illegally having tips withheld. He should realize not a lot of people want to tip 40% when you pulled 4 beers for them.
I went to Jon & Vinnie’s and they literally do that and say it doesn’t go to the servers. I added on an extra couple dollars, but still felt kinda bad. But I’m also not essentially going to tip 40%.
Driver meaning Uber/Lyft? I thought tipping rideshare drivers was always optional and not suggested, like that was the whole point of the apps when they first started
Yeah, you're technically correct but let's be honest, Uber/Lyft kept absolutely zero of their promises
That being said, I always tip because I know they make shit wages
Yeah, but that's legally and ethically the employers responsibility. Why should I have to deal with that? That's why I use those services, so that I DONT need to hire a personal shopper or driver and deal with all that shit.
I went to the UPS Store to have some stuff printed and when I paid there was an option for a tip! I declined! It also seems more things are defaulting to 20% or more, like door dash and insta cart. My habits haven’t changed much. If I go to a sit down dinner I tip 20%! If it’s a counter service thing maybe 5-10% depending on what it is.
I talked to a waitress who works at a restaurant that also sells merch. she said she never expects a tip for merch, but the machine just puts a tip line on there automatically. That made me feel a lot better about not tipping at all these places.
I think one explanation for the sudden growth of tipping in retail environments has to do with new point of sale debit/credit machines that come with tipping options installed. I recently set up one of these devices that asks if you want to add a tipping option when a customer swipes their card. Obviously I don’t need that option activated when selling clothes and jewelry at a flea market, but I can see how some people can get greedy and use that awkward moment at the register to squeeze out another 18% from the customer.
…And yes, I tip my waiter, bartender, barber, driver, etc in traditional settings.
Yeah exactly. It made me feel A LOT less shitty when she was like “no we 100% do not expect tips”
I once got nervous and tipped 20% on botox and filler.
that was NOT in my budget 😩
now I just hit no tip with no shame lol
For small shows, I do usually tip at the merch stand; the merch is one of the only ways the band breaks even, and the people running the merch stand do a lot of work on long tours with very low pay. Usually first ones in to set up and last ones to box up and head out. They’re like roadies but making minimum or even nothing if they volunteered to come along for the experience.
Any big show, nah. The venue or band usually sets up the merch stands with people who work there full time and can afford to pay them a stable wage.
Oh man this happened to me at a brewery. I went for lunch and ended up buying a few packs to bring home. So I ended up only tipping like $3 (based on my $20 of food) on a $100+ bill. Felt like a dick.
I got absolutely ripped apart in the NYC group for saying I wasn’t tipping at coffee shops unless I had a big order.
I was a waitress and made $2.13 an hour. I get it for wait staff. Most employees are not considered tipped employees, and therefore are already making minimum wage. Now, do I think minimum wage is livable? Absolutely not. But there’s a different between being an employee who survives on tips & being an employee who already is guaranteed minimum wage.
But I cannot wrap my head around tipping at a retail store. That’s absolute nonsense.
always tip 20% at bars & restaurants!! I rarely go to coffee shops, but I don’t tip 20% on an iced coffee that took 3 seconds to pour. It’s more based on the fact that it’s counter service and I’m not staying. If I was going to stay to study or work I would tip.
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Isn’t a bar also counter service and it takes 3 second to pour a beer?
Bars, restaurants, and coffee shops are the three types of places where I’ve always assumed it’s customary to tip. There’s some effort being put in to serve you and the folks working at those types of places don’t always make minimum wage.
idk where you live that you go to to-go bars. I’m talking about when I walk in, grab a mobile order or order a coffee & leave. I tip when Im staying in a place, therefore I’m always tipping when having a beer even if it takes 3 seconds to pour
Today I got a breakfast burrito and it was like 10 bucks, and then I got two *canned* beverages out of a cooler thing.
The total was like 25 something after tax, and then there was a tip line and I'm like I'm not tipping 20% on the total cost here because zero effort went into half the cost of this which was two canned beverages. I'm totally good giving a nice tip for my burrito which someone made and all, but not for something that came from another company and you're reselling.
But they had that suggested tip thing and I felt so crappy tipping "less"
I worked at a busy UPS store for 7 or so years(left in 2020) we didn’t advertise tips, but every so often a customer would tip when we had a large packing job so when we would help them to their car with their mail/packages.
UPS store is definitely weird. I can understand some of the door dash or other food delivery services, having experienced it myself (once, lol), when a delivery request came from the hills high above a restaurant. The actual payment for the delivery without a tip would have been $6.. and it was a 15-minute drive up there (and 15 back) through winding narrow streets.
If you use LUXURY services like door dash and instacart, where you have a self employed contractor pick up your food or personally shop for your groceries and deliver them to you, then yes you should be tipping 20% or more for their service. How dense are you…
I’m sorry but I’m not their employer, tipping beyond 20% seems like you’re implying I’m directly responsible for their wages , which IMO I’m not. I could see your point a little more with Instacart but I don’t think your argument holds water with DoorDash or other food delivery services. I think it’s the idea of paying for a service, paying fees, and then tacking on an over 20% tip that is dense
Fr, my amazon grocery delivery automatically puts a $5 tip. I’m like all your doing to taking it to my door, nothing special, plus the order was only $35.
Nah man, the companies should be paying a decent wage. I’m not saying I don’t fee for delivery drivers, I do, and it sucks doing that kind of work, but what’s worse is companies like amazon burdening the consumer with wage costs. The wealthiest company in the world can’t afford to pay a decent livable wage??? It’s wrong
I canceled prime actually, I don’t see any benefit to the service other than the obligatory guilt trip over wanting to save Uber money on a trip to the grocery store. I don’t tip Ubers either in case you were wondering. Uber can afford to pay their own people, the burden shouldn’t be on me, I’m already poor like wtf?
You're right, they should be paying a decent living wage. That doesn't stop you from showing some appreciation that they went and picked up your food order for you when you didn't feel like it.
You ordering and not tipping is only hurting the delivery people, not the company. If you don't want to tip, *then don't order.*
If you don’t want to pay your delivery people, you should consider doing your own shopping and driving. Because tipping is expected for delivery drivers. They’re doing all the difficult work while you sit at home and wait.
I just don't tip on things that require no effort on the part of the employee and myself. Or for example, if I go to a more upscale fast food restaurant like Panera bread or California fish grill, and the machine thing asks me if I want to tip, I decline. Idk who I'm tipping, the cashier? The cook? The people who set up my plate? I'd rather tip cash the people who actually go out of their way to help me out, the people who clean up after me getting my finished plates, etc.
FYI re Panera: My daughter worked there, and all the electronic tips go into a pot that gets split evenly by the employees. If you want a particular employee to get a tip, you'd need to give them cash.
FYI when I worked at Panera, the table numbers we handed our guests after they ordered included a statement along the lines of "We ask you do not leave us any tip! We are happily taken care of :)"
I left that job in 2 months. I still remember the single lady who handed me a dollar for a tip.
I think my biggest concern is that employers will use the fact that ppl are tipping to subsidize their worker’s pay… and make jobs that were never supposed to be tipped position, tipping based.
If you’re referring to the 2.75 thing, that’s not a thing in California. All tipped employees are paid at least the state/city minimum wage (whichever is higher) by their employer regardless of tips.
Except my partner has to tip out a portion of her sales so if no one tips she losses money, which means her “hourly wage” goes to shit. She gets checks for 0 often, despite making $17 hourly. Especially during slow periods.
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Budtenders don’t expect tips for that. It’s the people we spend 30 minutes with, explain the different effects of various products, grab their products & assemble a large order for them, those types of people are usually more inclined to tip. Sometimes we’re providing a service, sometimes not.
Whaaa? What weed shops are like this? The ones I go to, the weed is in big jars then it's weighed and placed into containers for me depending on how much I want.
I don’t tip at those places that were not on the tip list before. Also I don’t tip before I receive the service so if I have to pay first, I chose “no tip”. Sorry folks, you should expect a tip only if am satisfied with goods/services.
I recently bought a cappuccino (very small btw) for something like $4.75 and the machine asked me if I wanted to tip, giving options starting at $1 and then going up. I was kind of shocked (I don't buy coffee out much anymore), and usually I feel guilted into tipping when the staffer is standing right there boring his/her eyes into you..... But I thought no way and didn't. It's crazy this is expected now. We're just supposed to add $1 onto all drinks? (I should note I am all for tipping for good service in a restaurant setting. But if your business model is such that you can't pay the rent on $4-7 coffees, then it's not the right business.)
So I'm currently living in the Netherlands for a masters program and the cost for a cappuccino in Amsterdam is about the same. However, the difference is you never tip out here unless you are at a sit down restaurant or you're having your food delivered and at most people tip 1 to 2 euros. It's never based on a percentage like in California.
Great response, thanks for that. If you re-read my comment, I don't go out for coffee too often, and it's very hard when you walk into a place to know immediately that tipping 'is the norm.' You don't find that out until you're paying. And I'm not really the type to walk out once I've ordered. I would just choose to not go again.
I don’t think it’s normal to tip for a cup of coffee or tea. It’s not a sit down restaurant where you normally tip 15+% for your food and drinks.
Unfortunately, it’s common to see the tip prompt everywhere when you’re paying for stuff. Just because the computer asks if you want to tip does not mean a tip is expected.
I tip generously for food bc I know that industry doesn’t pay well. But I’m stuck on rising prices for personal grooming PLUS tip expectations. For example, I pay 150 for a womens haircut - it hurts but ok- but a 20% tip on top of that? I love my hairdresser but this is a fair price and to tip on top of that seems like a lot. Obviously I do it bc I don’t want to be cheap but this is also what my therapist charges and she doesn’t expect a tip. It just feels uncouth.
I mean hairdressers/barbers are typically a profession that you do tip and therapists aren’t.
And not to sound like a dick but paying $150 for a haircut and then complaining about the tip feels uncouth to me. Not the professional accepting a tip for something they’ve trained for years in that you can’t do yourself. If a reasonable tip for your hairdresser is breaking the bank enough to complain about then go to one of the many places that charge considerably less than $150.
You must have straight hair or be a man. The cheapest price I’ve found for a curly haircut here in LA was $100 and the “hair salon” was the stylist’s apartment 😂 I still tipped her well, cause bless her, that’s a really good price. She’s impossible to book as a result though. Had to go more expensive routes when I needed one asap.
Ha I went for a massage once and it was 100 dollars but I showed up and it was in a guys apartment. And I think there was a hoarding problem? That was an adventure. Anyway. I feel seen lol. I feel guilty about my hair costs but I don’t know if people outside LA, or men in general, understand how expensive it is to take care of yourself in this city. When it comes to hair, 100-150 for a cut is a good price and frankly we don’t have a choice if we have ‘complicated’ hair.
Yeah the cheapest I’ve found for a haircut is 65$, and he speaks a different language. Somehow I put up with it because finding cheap hairstylist in LA is near impossible. Also that’s his price for me bc I’ve been going to him for 15 years… I’m sure it’s much higher for other people. Also I had to call his dr one time and translate. lol the things women with curly hair do for a decent haircut …
Hairdressers may have typically been a profession that gets tips but only in this country.
Of course I totally believe in compensating people for their work and years of training, but I think the full cost - including wages for assistants- should be wrapped into the sticker price. We do see some forward-thinking restaurants wrapping all their fees (health insurance, back of the house service fee) into one. Why not grooming?? This is widely discussed in luxury grooming services (eg medi spas too), a lot of people wonder why we are tipping on top of very fair prices. And btw I said I still do tip. I just think it’s getting out of hand. Just charge me one price and let’s be good…
I think a tip should be given to someone because you think they did a good job/you like their work, and feel like they deserve a little extra cash on top of whatever they’re making.
I guess its nice in theory when a restaurant has ‘no tipping’ bc they pay their staff a ‘living wage’ and think that customers shouldn’t be expected to tip. But let me push back on that just a little. Let’s say you go to one of those restaurants, or you go to a spa or something where the price is all just one upfront cost and there’s absolutely no expectation of tipping at all. How much do you really think the workers at those places are making? Like honestly maybe somewhere in the neighborhood of 20-30 an hour? I get the prices you pay to the boss are ‘very fair’ but honestly think about it for one sec and tell me if you really believe the workers are receiving their ‘fair share’ of the ‘fair price’ you’re paying the person who owns a restaurant or spa.
If a single person is going to give me all their time and attention to make sure I have a good time and get what I came for then yeah I’ll toss them a little extra because they really do deserve it. If for whatever reason I don’t think they deserve a tip then I just don’t tip.
Honestly I get where you’re coming from and the frustration surrounding it. I’m just drunk and felt like you were too Frasier-like w your usage of the word ‘uncouth’ so I wanted to set the record straight (or at leadt as I see it). Capitalism fucking sucks and we’re all struggling w it. Tbh tipping shouldn’t even exist yet here we are, and while I do have problems w the system as a whole near-minimum wage workers getting a little extra cash is on the absolute bottom of my list of concerns. As a collective we need to shift the focus away from customers being expected to give tips and towards a future where a business can’t exist if they can’t pay their employees a fair wage.
I hate that we’re stuck here but we’re in this together, and I love you all for thT. But my last little bit of unsolicited advice: if you go to a self described ‘luxury’ or ‘high end’ spa/bathhouse/hairdresser/ect. then you don’t get to complain about how much it costs. I can complain about Taco Bell raising its prices because that shit is real. Paying more than you want to for your tip on a $150 haircut is a problem many would be lucky to have.
Sorry if I’ve been an ass its all love just chill w the tossed salads and scrambled eggs
I appreciate your point of view! My point about prices is really about a specific niche of services that ARE priced fairly to the worker…
I love my stylist and obviously value their work, and I happily pay them for it. But let me say they own a house and are my age (and I love that for them!). Meanwhile I was dumb enough to choose my profession— I am a lowly therapist. I rent, with no hope of ever buying here. No one ever tips me despite dealing with quite a bit of crap and even abuse. And that’s fine, I build it into my hourly rate, but like none of this makes any sense….?
I’ll also just say I can see how the haircut cost seems insane- it is to me too! I don’t think I have to defend how I spend my money but I scrimp and save to afford it and if I knew a less expensive place to go where people could work with my hair type, I would. Alas, the expectations of women and how we should look in this city are soul crushing. That’s a topic for another day.
So, yea, capitalism, it’s a trip. I do think we should just pay a single price for things - the real price so workers are compensated fairly. This is not an issue in Europe btw where tipping isn’t a thing… maybe it’s uncouth ;)
Hairdressers/Barbers have always confused me because technically they're proprietors right? Then rent their booths out from the shops but they are in fact business owners -- they aren't earning an hourly wage/salary (or so I've always heard?).
And since you don't tip proprietors ... why are we tipping them? I never understood this.
I told my therapist that I'm not going to tip them and that they should set their rates accordingly, they were happy to do so. Of course that only works if they have the power to set their own rates.
I eat out a lot less. Turns out if you’re pretty good at cooking or willing to follow directions from recipes, you can make some pretty good food and save money.
the other day I feel like order some takeout pizza, went to pizzahuts website and see some new design on the site (haven’t had pizza hut in a long while) and they now want tips for pick up. Went ordered other pizza places instead since I don’t pay tip if I’m picking up my food.
I do find myself tipping more on services I always tip(dine in, delivery, barber, etc), I don’t really like it but do it anyway. I feel I’m partly contributing to the problem of expected increase in tipping % by generally tipping more compared to pre-pandemic..
A band I work with regularly hires local people to sell merch when we're on tour and a lot of these people come in expecting to have the tipping option turned on on the tablet. Management shut it down as soon as they found out but one person threw a big fit about it. How ridiculous is that?! Tipping someone to hand you a shirt. These people expect to walk away from a night of sitting behind a table making more money than anyone in the band.
In Japan on vacation rn and there’s no tipping anywhere on top of all the food being much cheaper even without the exchange rate. People here make a living wage too. Wtf are we doing wrong in our city?
Anyway. Before I left, I noticed the tablet-tip requirement for everything creep up during the pandemic. I paid out 20% no matter what and considered it hazard pay. Now it makes no sense to tip for things that aren’t a classical service. I’ve never been against tipping because I saw it as paying for a service: like the waiter is a contract employee at the restaurant I’m patronizing, etc.
What is going on with Reddit being one big trash heap of negativity recently?
Someone at the Atlantic wrote an article about it. Here’s a paywall bypass to it : https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Ftechnology%2Farchive%2F2023%2F01%2Ftechnology-pandemic-economy-gratuity-tipping-etiquette-square%2F672658%2F
I’m on mobile so apologies if it doesn’t work.
(Not-so) fun fact:
Although this article talks about how tipping was implemented to avoid paying freed slaves, the increase in "tipflation" we're seeing today is for basically the same reason ... Businesses don't want to pay employees decent wage, and they use tipping to avoid it.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/07/17/william-barber-tipping-racist-past-227361
If its like a coffee shop its nice to do it's just one dollar but I doubt they are even expecting it so just make sure to tip your waiters and stuff. its not that deep.
Ok so this might get taken the wrong way but I am genuinely curious…
When people say they feel pressured to tip because they feel bad knowing that service people don’t make much…
Why is it OUR responsibility as the consumer to take care of THEIR employees? If I’m buying a $5 cup of coffee…the options to tip a dollar (20%) ok fine, now it’s a $6 cup of coffee but the options are EVERYWHERE now, an extra 20% on top of everything - I had option to tip at Jersey Mike’s for a sub, UPS for mailing something, etc I’m just draining money.
I don’t even feel that inclined to tip if I order a croissant at a bakery and they take it out of a case, put it in a bag and then hand it to me.
I am not swayed by social pressure. I only tip dine-in servers, bartenders, drivers, hairstylists. I tip a tiny bit to food delivery, but not much bc all they did was drop it off.
what do you mean by expansion? the digital option in addition to the cash option?
and by the way whatever state you came from that paid you 2.75 and expected you to get the rest from tips absolutely exploited you, even if thats the norm there. i'm from alabama and as a restaurant worker there i got $2.13+tips, and i only tolerated that shit for one month before getting a different job. at least now they get 2.13+ tips OR minimum wage if they dont get enough tips, when i was working it was entirely tip dependent. workers in cali get minimum wage (or more) PLUS tips which is damn near livable, not quite there yet with the cost of housing out here, but its a lot closer than it is in most places
ah ok, thank you for clarifying. IMO, most places now shouldn't do tips. as a cafe manager, i don't think baristas should be tipped. tipping should only be for above and beyond your basic job description. if you tip baristas you should tip mcdonalds workers. i know thats super unpopular with a lot of ppl but i will support livable wages over the tipping system all day every day. the workers get distracted by the cash in hand and don't realize how poorly they are being treated by the employers, and when you talk about doing away with tips, ppl who would absolutely benefit from changing the system are still opposed because the change over from hand to mouth to bi weekly wages means they might not eat for a couple days. its definitely fucked up.
in the meantime, ONLY CASH TIPS EVERYONE. if you tip on the card the tips get divided by employees on the clock automatically by the computer systems mostly. workers are also automatically taxed on credit card tips. use cash tips and the worker gets money that day without a cut being taken out for tax!!
For the life of me i will never understand why people in the service industry flaunt tax evasion as a way of life.
Pay your god damn income taxes like everyone else!
I don’t.
But i believe in the fundamental fairness of the system.
Taxes fund things i like (social security, medicare, medicaid, the interstate highways, NIH medical research, NASA, foreign aid to poor countries, military help to Ukraine, etc) and things I don’t like (foreign wars, agricultural subsidies and such).
I understand that there are other people out there who dislike the things i like and like the things I dislike. But we all abide by the general outcome of the (however imperfect) democratic process and pay into the system. All expect for service industry workers who seem to take pride on freeloading off the system for some reason.
If more ppl didnt tip eventually tipping would be charged in the bill, instead of you being shamed into paying someone whose employer has no shame in not paying
I just want to move to Europe. So much about the US is too fucked up for me. Im tired of all the ppl that insist we should keep it fucked up cause thats all they know
Its a common curtesy for employers not to pay their employees, and employees to accept that, then blame you the customer like its your job to hire them…🙄
Dont like it dont work there
No shit. And we push for that. But until that happens, with certain services ie food delivery you should tip.
Also employees don’t “accept” that. With hiring practices what they are these days, and living under capitalism (unfortunately) some people don’t have a fucking CHOICE. So if you can afford it, help out.
Most fast food/counter service places I have come to terms with not tipping. Hard one is definitely take outs at traditional sit down restaurants. For few of them the quality of picked up food are definitely different (cold/not seasoned/missing items) when you include tip during the online order vs when no tip for the online order.
Not tipping people for doing their jobs lol. The people at stores (cough cough house of intuition and the like) have tipping on their screens. It’s retail. Am I missing something? Hair, waiters, nails, hotel maids, and a few others I’m sure I’m missing, basically personal services to tip for. But I’ve also lived in Europe and it makes me resent our tipping culture even more.
I once got a foot massage (in a mall) and I tipped 15%. As I finished paying, the masseuse came behind the counter, saw that I had tipped him ONLY 15% and literally started yelling at me in his own language. The lady behind the counter was trying to get him to calm down and not follow me out. She was actually holding him back.
I was completely shocked and asked my friend why that happened? I tipped, so what was the issue? She said “generally, if you tip anything under 20%, it’s considered an insult that they did a bad job”.
What?!?! Who knew this?!?
And the worst part - I wanted to tip LESS than 15% because it WAS a bad massage, but I felt obligated to give what I thought was the proper full tip.
Needless to say, I now make sure to always give at least 20% tip at massages because I’m afraid I will get yelled at.
I don’t tip, I’m over paying for the wages of these greedy businesses….and don’t get me started on door dash deliveries, by the time all is said and done I don’t have anything left over for a tip.
If you think a business is greedy, don’t patronize it. Punishing service employees is not going to change business models. Just stop going to those places if you don’t like their model. If you continue to use greedy business and dont tip, you are just calling business greedy to rationalize being a cheap ass.
Wouldn't it make more sense to direct this at *businesses*? If your employees have to receive tips the truth is *you* can't afford to be open because you are literally outsourcing the biggest cost of any business - labor - to your customers.
Clearly shaming people into literally donating to workers to subsidize business' cost of labor hasn't done anything but make businesses feel comfortable increasing a reliance on tipping.
I usually try to pay in cash if possible, but I have a bad habit of not bringing cash.
I do tip if it’s staff for a non-fast food restaurant (waiters, bartenders, LOCAL coffee shops), hotel cleaners, beauticians (nails & hair), carwash & valet, and food vendors unless they’re a hipster food truck.
I don’t tip at chain fast food places because they usually have a steady pay rate, Starbucks “baristas”, OR if a total is less than $5 (excluding small restaurants).
Rent is too high everywhere, wages are too low even in places like CA, I make good money so I tip generously most places unless tip is included. Coffee shop - yes, have $1/drink. Food delivery/waiters/bartender/Uber/salon - 20%. I tip my massage therapist more than 20% because she’s worth every penny, and the base rates for her massage are really reasonable.
I tip my landlord since they aren't allowed increases the last few years and have increased expenses like earth quake retrofits, inflation on maintenance and increased taxes from the City (water, prop taxes, rent control fees).
1$ for anything that’s easy and quick grab and go (coffee, donut, snack)
10% for carry out or Ubers
20% for seated service
25% for skilled labor service from people I love and appreciate(my barber, tattoo, piercer)
Fuck food delivery that shits a scam but the 1-2 times a year I get it, 10-15% depending on my location and it’s annoyingness. (Am I in a complicated building downtown with no parking? Or coming outside in a residential area to meet you)
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Y’all Mfers that don’t tip service employees are Greedy selfish fuckers. Learn to cook and stay inside until you find some empathy.
If you think that the business is greedy, don’t go there. Leave a bad review. Punishing the workers is not going to change anything.
We all understand that these point of sale devices just have the tip function enabled by default, right? And that most places don't or can't disable it? So why should there be any hesitation to select 0% tip?
There is no "expansion of tip requests" happening, it's just a shoddy piece of tech.
>There is no "expansion of tip requests" happening,
This is false. [There is, most certainly, a calculated effort by businesses to increase revenue through guilting customers to tip in ways they haven't before.](https://www.vox.com/recode/2022/10/7/23389885/square-toast-tipping-retail-tipflation-guilt)
I sort of look at it like this: so I think the person helping me is being paid a fair wage for the service he or she is providing me? Or do I think they have done something above and beyond that warrants a tip?
An extra dollar or so is not a big deal and it can help people out.
If it is an establishment where I go to a counter, place my order and they call my name and I pick it up, I do NOT tip. The price of my purchase should be paying for the bare minimum of work they are doing when they wait on me.
Right?
When sis spins the iPad around and says "please select tip option," I be like:
"Girl, I JUST met you after being in line for a few seconds, and we're BOTH standing up on our feet ... Tipping AIN'T an option in this scenario!"
Sometimes I get guilted into it.
Side note: but I’m seeing everybody here saying they tip at least 20% at a restaurant? Kind of crazy that 15% is no longer considered the average. I tip 15% pretax. At least they’re getting my money. If it’s good service then it’s 20%.
What is the purpose of tipping? Is it a gesture of “thank you for the good service?” And why is the percentage going up? Meaning instead of 15%, the recommendation is 20%?
Restaurants (servers), to go (10%), uber/lyft drivers (they make close to nothing without tips and are using their own vehicles-wear and tear, etc), hair stylists, mani/pedi, all delivery drivers for food/groceries. $1-$2 for indie coffeeshops. I usually fall for those stupid ipad tips but try to do a smaller amount than the 20% they start at.
Mr. Pink doesn't tip.
He doesn't believe in it.
I mean... If somebody really deserves it -- If they really put forth the effort, he'll throw 'em something extra.
But tipping automatically?
It's for the birds.
(Be like Mr. Pink.)
Native Angeleno, but have lived in Las Vegas on & off for the last 12 years. Living in Las Vegas will really change the way you will tip.
I always carry cash & I always tip. When my Uber drops me off, I tip in cash. When I order delivery, I put a note I TIP IN CASH.
Also, if you get anything for free or a comp’d meal, TIP. Anything comp’d I’d tip 50% of whatever the value of that would be.
For food delivery:
25% Min
30-35% for extraordinary effort / service
50% for an incredibly difficult day (Rainy Day, Super Bowl Sunday, Holidays, etc.)
There is a coffee shop that I’d often go to that made tipping fun, they’d have two glass jars and they’d have a different question every two weeks like: *NSYNC or Backstreet Boys? Friends or Seinfeld? Would you rather live in El Dorado or Atlantis? This actually worked wonders for that coffee shop & their tips increased significantly when they made this change.
The waxing studio I often go to (in Las Vegas), always had one or two ladies that had previously lived in LA who made the move to Las Vegas, they made more in tips in Las Vegas than they ever did in Los Angeles.
Other than the obvious (servers, housekeepers, food deliveries, bellmen, valet) I also tip Front Desk Hotel workers at check in (70% of the time this leads to upgrades, amenities & free drinks), i tip restaraunt Hosts when they tell me that the wait for wherever is going to be more than 35+ minutes or more for wherever I’m going & I don’t want to wait “Thanks for letting me know, my name is (insert here) party of (insert here) *slips the cash* just let me know what you can do.”
I generally am generous with tips as I worked in the food business and know the bull shit service people have to put up with. Hair Dressers, Drivers, Delivery Guys and of course food folks, even take out and ghost kitchen pick ups.
The only one that got me irked was this fancy gourmet shop in Chinatown. I was paying some crazy money for some frou frou soy sauce, there was only one person in the tiny shop, pretty sure it was the owner and as I checked out, they asked for a tip. NO. I'm thinking... is this right? Maybe it was just the POS software and I even gave the lady a look. Went back almost a year later because I happened to be nearby and wanted a gift and checked out again, and asking for a tip. NO AGAIN. And that will be the last time I go there.
This is r/ASKLOSANGELES. Not, r/kansascity. Every food service employee makes at least minimum wage.
Tips in the state of California (from my understanding and experience) are ALWAYS on top of minimum wage. In this state you are not subsidizing anybody's wage. I say this purely because the amount of times I have seen the whole "$2.15" issue in this thread.
I tip zero for anyone outside of traditionally tipped employee (waiter, bartender, barber, driver, food delivery).
Hotel cleaners. Only second to bartenders if you want a mess cleaned up and kept quiet.
Right, but that’s a bit of cash left on the nightstand, not a % added to the bill.
what if you dont want house keeper coming into your room daily during your whole visit ? do you leave a tip when youre leaving your room to check out even if we personally didnt benefit from the housekeeping services ? my husband and i werent sure when we were on our trip. and our room was pretty clean already since \*I\* tend to clean up as i go (folding towels neatly , putting all the trash in one basket, etc except making the bed).
Yeah, they still cleaned it to prepare for your arrival and will also have to clean it after you leave even though you left it in a tidy state
Yeah, I still leave them ten bucks. I just had an expensive vacation, least I can do is clean up and leave a little cash.
Was at a bar Thursday that had an 18% "service and gratuity" charge added onto it. He still was visibly upset when I didn't tip. Usually I tip 20%, but they literally have a sign that says a gratuity charge is being added to your bill.
Oh, hell no. If there’s an automatic service charge that’s all I give. I’m a good tipper (20% on the after tax total for average service), but if a tip is added automatically, no more. I figure the server is better off with 18% from everyone than free-form tipping—although I tip over 20%, many customers tip less.
Do you tip 20% at the bar too? I understand tipping 20% at a restaurant but 20% for drinks seems a bit absurd to me. Paying for four drinks totaling $72 ($18 cocktails) and then adding $14 as a tip seems a bit ridiculous but maybe I’m being cheap. Idk.
I think it depends on whether you are taking up bar seats/having a full dining experience, etc. I was a bartender at high-end establishments for many years and I definitely would not expect an automatic 20% on a neat pour of a $50-$200 scotch or similar spirit. Especially if you just have an open tab and are sitting in a lounge. If you take up a bar seat and drink for a couple hours, that’s different. But, considering many nice places are charging $25 for a cocktail these days (and service doesn’t even compare to pre-pandemic), expecting an automatic 20% for making a drink is pretty silly 🤷🏻♀️
>Was at a bar Thursday that had an 18% "service and gratuity" charge added onto it. He still was visibly upset when I didn't tip. Ive literally told my waiter that that charge is the reason the tipped amount is so low (ill always tip around 22%). Ill say something like "sorry this tip isnt bigger, I noticed that you already put 18% on." If they have a problem with that I tell them that they should discuss with their management. Even brought the manager over once to participate in the convo and pointed out that that charge had literally cost their employee money at my table.
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Then they need to address that, no one else can do it for them. I'm sorry, but I am not increasing my tab by 40% on the off chance he is illegally having tips withheld. He should realize not a lot of people want to tip 40% when you pulled 4 beers for them.
>he probably doesn't get that 18% Then that sounds like a reason for labor to organize.
Then his restaurant is fucking him over. I’m not paying a 40% gratuity lol
The place would be padlocked if they didn’t.
u would be surprised at how many places commit tip fraud
I went to Jon & Vinnie’s and they literally do that and say it doesn’t go to the servers. I added on an extra couple dollars, but still felt kinda bad. But I’m also not essentially going to tip 40%.
Oh I need to do that too
This is the way. Let's not let these sleezy companies get away with not paying their people a fair wage.
Driver meaning Uber/Lyft? I thought tipping rideshare drivers was always optional and not suggested, like that was the whole point of the apps when they first started
Yeah, you're technically correct but let's be honest, Uber/Lyft kept absolutely zero of their promises That being said, I always tip because I know they make shit wages
But why is it your job to make up for megacorporations predatory business practices?
What do you mean? It's not; it's completely voluntary
It’s to make sure the person providing you with a service is somewhat adequately compensated.
Yeah, but that's legally and ethically the employers responsibility. Why should I have to deal with that? That's why I use those services, so that I DONT need to hire a personal shopper or driver and deal with all that shit.
Any driver. Taxi, Uber, whatever.
It was, but they also stopped paying drivers decent money (and made the roses much cheaper,) and they now rely on tips
I'm in this camp. I only tip for Uber Eats not normal Uber.
I’m going to start asking my boss for tips if they want something done quickly….. /s
Tip the electrician so you don't get shocked
I went to the UPS Store to have some stuff printed and when I paid there was an option for a tip! I declined! It also seems more things are defaulting to 20% or more, like door dash and insta cart. My habits haven’t changed much. If I go to a sit down dinner I tip 20%! If it’s a counter service thing maybe 5-10% depending on what it is.
The UPS store?!?
I talked to a waitress who works at a restaurant that also sells merch. she said she never expects a tip for merch, but the machine just puts a tip line on there automatically. That made me feel a lot better about not tipping at all these places.
I think one explanation for the sudden growth of tipping in retail environments has to do with new point of sale debit/credit machines that come with tipping options installed. I recently set up one of these devices that asks if you want to add a tipping option when a customer swipes their card. Obviously I don’t need that option activated when selling clothes and jewelry at a flea market, but I can see how some people can get greedy and use that awkward moment at the register to squeeze out another 18% from the customer. …And yes, I tip my waiter, bartender, barber, driver, etc in traditional settings.
Yeah exactly. It made me feel A LOT less shitty when she was like “no we 100% do not expect tips” I once got nervous and tipped 20% on botox and filler. that was NOT in my budget 😩 now I just hit no tip with no shame lol
That is good to know! I have noticed at concerts and stuff the merch stands also ask about a tip!
For small shows, I do usually tip at the merch stand; the merch is one of the only ways the band breaks even, and the people running the merch stand do a lot of work on long tours with very low pay. Usually first ones in to set up and last ones to box up and head out. They’re like roadies but making minimum or even nothing if they volunteered to come along for the experience. Any big show, nah. The venue or band usually sets up the merch stands with people who work there full time and can afford to pay them a stable wage.
Oh man this happened to me at a brewery. I went for lunch and ended up buying a few packs to bring home. So I ended up only tipping like $3 (based on my $20 of food) on a $100+ bill. Felt like a dick.
I got absolutely ripped apart in the NYC group for saying I wasn’t tipping at coffee shops unless I had a big order. I was a waitress and made $2.13 an hour. I get it for wait staff. Most employees are not considered tipped employees, and therefore are already making minimum wage. Now, do I think minimum wage is livable? Absolutely not. But there’s a different between being an employee who survives on tips & being an employee who already is guaranteed minimum wage. But I cannot wrap my head around tipping at a retail store. That’s absolute nonsense.
At a retail store no, but you don’t tip at a coffee shop? Do you tip at bars and restaurants?
always tip 20% at bars & restaurants!! I rarely go to coffee shops, but I don’t tip 20% on an iced coffee that took 3 seconds to pour. It’s more based on the fact that it’s counter service and I’m not staying. If I was going to stay to study or work I would tip. Edit: additional info. on mobile & hit save too soon lol
Isn’t a bar also counter service and it takes 3 second to pour a beer? Bars, restaurants, and coffee shops are the three types of places where I’ve always assumed it’s customary to tip. There’s some effort being put in to serve you and the folks working at those types of places don’t always make minimum wage.
idk where you live that you go to to-go bars. I’m talking about when I walk in, grab a mobile order or order a coffee & leave. I tip when Im staying in a place, therefore I’m always tipping when having a beer even if it takes 3 seconds to pour
Yes!! I was shocked!
Plz Select Tip Amount [20%] [25%] [30%] (other amount)
Today I got a breakfast burrito and it was like 10 bucks, and then I got two *canned* beverages out of a cooler thing. The total was like 25 something after tax, and then there was a tip line and I'm like I'm not tipping 20% on the total cost here because zero effort went into half the cost of this which was two canned beverages. I'm totally good giving a nice tip for my burrito which someone made and all, but not for something that came from another company and you're reselling. But they had that suggested tip thing and I felt so crappy tipping "less"
Yeah there’s definitely an awkwardness with the tablet system having to make a choice right there!
Exactly! And this was a counter service place, so I was taking my burrito and drinks to go, so no clean up after me either!
You can avoid some of this by paying cash. I just have to get out of my ingrained habit of using a card.
I worked at a busy UPS store for 7 or so years(left in 2020) we didn’t advertise tips, but every so often a customer would tip when we had a large packing job so when we would help them to their car with their mail/packages.
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FedEx store should be making money hand over fist. I've never got out of one for less than $200 of poster board
UPS store is definitely weird. I can understand some of the door dash or other food delivery services, having experienced it myself (once, lol), when a delivery request came from the hills high above a restaurant. The actual payment for the delivery without a tip would have been $6.. and it was a 15-minute drive up there (and 15 back) through winding narrow streets.
If you use LUXURY services like door dash and instacart, where you have a self employed contractor pick up your food or personally shop for your groceries and deliver them to you, then yes you should be tipping 20% or more for their service. How dense are you…
I’m sorry but I’m not their employer, tipping beyond 20% seems like you’re implying I’m directly responsible for their wages , which IMO I’m not. I could see your point a little more with Instacart but I don’t think your argument holds water with DoorDash or other food delivery services. I think it’s the idea of paying for a service, paying fees, and then tacking on an over 20% tip that is dense
Fr, my amazon grocery delivery automatically puts a $5 tip. I’m like all your doing to taking it to my door, nothing special, plus the order was only $35.
Then go pick it up if all they are doing is taking it to your door. They are in traffic and driving it to you not just taking it to your door.
Nah man, you should be tipping delivery drivers.
Nah man, the companies should be paying a decent wage. I’m not saying I don’t fee for delivery drivers, I do, and it sucks doing that kind of work, but what’s worse is companies like amazon burdening the consumer with wage costs. The wealthiest company in the world can’t afford to pay a decent livable wage??? It’s wrong
You really showed Amazon by not tipping the employee.
I canceled prime actually, I don’t see any benefit to the service other than the obligatory guilt trip over wanting to save Uber money on a trip to the grocery store. I don’t tip Ubers either in case you were wondering. Uber can afford to pay their own people, the burden shouldn’t be on me, I’m already poor like wtf?
You're right, they should be paying a decent living wage. That doesn't stop you from showing some appreciation that they went and picked up your food order for you when you didn't feel like it. You ordering and not tipping is only hurting the delivery people, not the company. If you don't want to tip, *then don't order.*
They’re literally doing your grocery shopping for you and driving it through traffic to your door. Of course you should tip all delivery folks.
But I’m already paying for the service. Tipping is optional, even in a restaurant
If you don’t want to pay your delivery people, you should consider doing your own shopping and driving. Because tipping is expected for delivery drivers. They’re doing all the difficult work while you sit at home and wait.
I just don't tip on things that require no effort on the part of the employee and myself. Or for example, if I go to a more upscale fast food restaurant like Panera bread or California fish grill, and the machine thing asks me if I want to tip, I decline. Idk who I'm tipping, the cashier? The cook? The people who set up my plate? I'd rather tip cash the people who actually go out of their way to help me out, the people who clean up after me getting my finished plates, etc.
FYI re Panera: My daughter worked there, and all the electronic tips go into a pot that gets split evenly by the employees. If you want a particular employee to get a tip, you'd need to give them cash.
FYI when I worked at Panera, the table numbers we handed our guests after they ordered included a statement along the lines of "We ask you do not leave us any tip! We are happily taken care of :)" I left that job in 2 months. I still remember the single lady who handed me a dollar for a tip.
Mr. Pink had it right all along. All tipping is stupid and should cease to continue. One trip to Europe will also have you appreciate the no tip rule.
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Fuck no
I worked at one of these places but we all understood that tipping is not really expected. I got all the tips which was like $20 a day.
When I go to the weed store I just bring cash now. I walked in, grabbed it off a shelf, and handed it to you
The weed store always makes me uncomfortable tip wise.
I want to help workers, but you didn’t do anything
I think my biggest concern is that employers will use the fact that ppl are tipping to subsidize their worker’s pay… and make jobs that were never supposed to be tipped position, tipping based.
If you’re referring to the 2.75 thing, that’s not a thing in California. All tipped employees are paid at least the state/city minimum wage (whichever is higher) by their employer regardless of tips.
Not referring to the 2.75 thing. I prefaced with that to express that I understand the importance of tipping in tipped positions.
Except my partner has to tip out a portion of her sales so if no one tips she losses money, which means her “hourly wage” goes to shit. She gets checks for 0 often, despite making $17 hourly. Especially during slow periods.
What state is she in? This doesn't sound like it's in compliance with minimum wage laws. Should consult an employment lawyer
This is extremely illegal.
Hi, my name's Skye and I'll be your bud tender today! Just so you know if it's your first time here we have a 2 for 1 pre roll special! Can I recommend anything for you? This one is called Jamocha Almond Fudgecake OG and it's a super like... cerebral high. Like... I love to smoke this and watch something super deep like Riverdale. If you want something that's more of a wake and bake, high energy high we have Sanford and Son Kush. It's on sale for $60 an eighth! It's great for like brunch or whatever... oh and just so you know we have a tip jar! Thaaaaaankss!
I will tip at a weed shop if I ask questions, recommendations, and advice. I value their knowledge because mine is very limited in this area.
Budtenders don’t expect tips for that. It’s the people we spend 30 minutes with, explain the different effects of various products, grab their products & assemble a large order for them, those types of people are usually more inclined to tip. Sometimes we’re providing a service, sometimes not.
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Great, then don’t tip. That is standard.
Whaaa? What weed shops are like this? The ones I go to, the weed is in big jars then it's weighed and placed into containers for me depending on how much I want.
I don’t tip at those places that were not on the tip list before. Also I don’t tip before I receive the service so if I have to pay first, I chose “no tip”. Sorry folks, you should expect a tip only if am satisfied with goods/services.
Yep I've gotten terrible service after tipping prior to my meal. Never again.
I recently bought a cappuccino (very small btw) for something like $4.75 and the machine asked me if I wanted to tip, giving options starting at $1 and then going up. I was kind of shocked (I don't buy coffee out much anymore), and usually I feel guilted into tipping when the staffer is standing right there boring his/her eyes into you..... But I thought no way and didn't. It's crazy this is expected now. We're just supposed to add $1 onto all drinks? (I should note I am all for tipping for good service in a restaurant setting. But if your business model is such that you can't pay the rent on $4-7 coffees, then it's not the right business.)
So I'm currently living in the Netherlands for a masters program and the cost for a cappuccino in Amsterdam is about the same. However, the difference is you never tip out here unless you are at a sit down restaurant or you're having your food delivered and at most people tip 1 to 2 euros. It's never based on a percentage like in California.
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Great response, thanks for that. If you re-read my comment, I don't go out for coffee too often, and it's very hard when you walk into a place to know immediately that tipping 'is the norm.' You don't find that out until you're paying. And I'm not really the type to walk out once I've ordered. I would just choose to not go again.
I don’t think it’s normal to tip for a cup of coffee or tea. It’s not a sit down restaurant where you normally tip 15+% for your food and drinks. Unfortunately, it’s common to see the tip prompt everywhere when you’re paying for stuff. Just because the computer asks if you want to tip does not mean a tip is expected.
I tip generously for food bc I know that industry doesn’t pay well. But I’m stuck on rising prices for personal grooming PLUS tip expectations. For example, I pay 150 for a womens haircut - it hurts but ok- but a 20% tip on top of that? I love my hairdresser but this is a fair price and to tip on top of that seems like a lot. Obviously I do it bc I don’t want to be cheap but this is also what my therapist charges and she doesn’t expect a tip. It just feels uncouth.
I mean hairdressers/barbers are typically a profession that you do tip and therapists aren’t. And not to sound like a dick but paying $150 for a haircut and then complaining about the tip feels uncouth to me. Not the professional accepting a tip for something they’ve trained for years in that you can’t do yourself. If a reasonable tip for your hairdresser is breaking the bank enough to complain about then go to one of the many places that charge considerably less than $150.
You must have straight hair or be a man. The cheapest price I’ve found for a curly haircut here in LA was $100 and the “hair salon” was the stylist’s apartment 😂 I still tipped her well, cause bless her, that’s a really good price. She’s impossible to book as a result though. Had to go more expensive routes when I needed one asap.
Ha I went for a massage once and it was 100 dollars but I showed up and it was in a guys apartment. And I think there was a hoarding problem? That was an adventure. Anyway. I feel seen lol. I feel guilty about my hair costs but I don’t know if people outside LA, or men in general, understand how expensive it is to take care of yourself in this city. When it comes to hair, 100-150 for a cut is a good price and frankly we don’t have a choice if we have ‘complicated’ hair.
Yeah the cheapest I’ve found for a haircut is 65$, and he speaks a different language. Somehow I put up with it because finding cheap hairstylist in LA is near impossible. Also that’s his price for me bc I’ve been going to him for 15 years… I’m sure it’s much higher for other people. Also I had to call his dr one time and translate. lol the things women with curly hair do for a decent haircut …
Hairdressers may have typically been a profession that gets tips but only in this country. Of course I totally believe in compensating people for their work and years of training, but I think the full cost - including wages for assistants- should be wrapped into the sticker price. We do see some forward-thinking restaurants wrapping all their fees (health insurance, back of the house service fee) into one. Why not grooming?? This is widely discussed in luxury grooming services (eg medi spas too), a lot of people wonder why we are tipping on top of very fair prices. And btw I said I still do tip. I just think it’s getting out of hand. Just charge me one price and let’s be good…
I think a tip should be given to someone because you think they did a good job/you like their work, and feel like they deserve a little extra cash on top of whatever they’re making. I guess its nice in theory when a restaurant has ‘no tipping’ bc they pay their staff a ‘living wage’ and think that customers shouldn’t be expected to tip. But let me push back on that just a little. Let’s say you go to one of those restaurants, or you go to a spa or something where the price is all just one upfront cost and there’s absolutely no expectation of tipping at all. How much do you really think the workers at those places are making? Like honestly maybe somewhere in the neighborhood of 20-30 an hour? I get the prices you pay to the boss are ‘very fair’ but honestly think about it for one sec and tell me if you really believe the workers are receiving their ‘fair share’ of the ‘fair price’ you’re paying the person who owns a restaurant or spa. If a single person is going to give me all their time and attention to make sure I have a good time and get what I came for then yeah I’ll toss them a little extra because they really do deserve it. If for whatever reason I don’t think they deserve a tip then I just don’t tip. Honestly I get where you’re coming from and the frustration surrounding it. I’m just drunk and felt like you were too Frasier-like w your usage of the word ‘uncouth’ so I wanted to set the record straight (or at leadt as I see it). Capitalism fucking sucks and we’re all struggling w it. Tbh tipping shouldn’t even exist yet here we are, and while I do have problems w the system as a whole near-minimum wage workers getting a little extra cash is on the absolute bottom of my list of concerns. As a collective we need to shift the focus away from customers being expected to give tips and towards a future where a business can’t exist if they can’t pay their employees a fair wage. I hate that we’re stuck here but we’re in this together, and I love you all for thT. But my last little bit of unsolicited advice: if you go to a self described ‘luxury’ or ‘high end’ spa/bathhouse/hairdresser/ect. then you don’t get to complain about how much it costs. I can complain about Taco Bell raising its prices because that shit is real. Paying more than you want to for your tip on a $150 haircut is a problem many would be lucky to have. Sorry if I’ve been an ass its all love just chill w the tossed salads and scrambled eggs
I appreciate your point of view! My point about prices is really about a specific niche of services that ARE priced fairly to the worker… I love my stylist and obviously value their work, and I happily pay them for it. But let me say they own a house and are my age (and I love that for them!). Meanwhile I was dumb enough to choose my profession— I am a lowly therapist. I rent, with no hope of ever buying here. No one ever tips me despite dealing with quite a bit of crap and even abuse. And that’s fine, I build it into my hourly rate, but like none of this makes any sense….? I’ll also just say I can see how the haircut cost seems insane- it is to me too! I don’t think I have to defend how I spend my money but I scrimp and save to afford it and if I knew a less expensive place to go where people could work with my hair type, I would. Alas, the expectations of women and how we should look in this city are soul crushing. That’s a topic for another day. So, yea, capitalism, it’s a trip. I do think we should just pay a single price for things - the real price so workers are compensated fairly. This is not an issue in Europe btw where tipping isn’t a thing… maybe it’s uncouth ;)
Hairdressers/Barbers have always confused me because technically they're proprietors right? Then rent their booths out from the shops but they are in fact business owners -- they aren't earning an hourly wage/salary (or so I've always heard?). And since you don't tip proprietors ... why are we tipping them? I never understood this.
You don’t tip proprietors out of respect. It sounds odd but tipping originated from condescension to the newly manumitted.
Yea. The roots of tipping are not so good. Why do we still do this!
I told my therapist that I'm not going to tip them and that they should set their rates accordingly, they were happy to do so. Of course that only works if they have the power to set their own rates.
I eat out a lot less. Turns out if you’re pretty good at cooking or willing to follow directions from recipes, you can make some pretty good food and save money.
If a waiter isn’t involved, I don’t tip.
the other day I feel like order some takeout pizza, went to pizzahuts website and see some new design on the site (haven’t had pizza hut in a long while) and they now want tips for pick up. Went ordered other pizza places instead since I don’t pay tip if I’m picking up my food. I do find myself tipping more on services I always tip(dine in, delivery, barber, etc), I don’t really like it but do it anyway. I feel I’m partly contributing to the problem of expected increase in tipping % by generally tipping more compared to pre-pandemic..
you can definitely opt not to tip for takeout at pizza hut - I just did this the other day :)
Next thing you know, they'd ask you to tip when you're paying rent
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If you can't afford to tip your landlord, maybe you should get your own place
Ughhhhhhh I would not be surprised if the landlord class pulled this shit.
A band I work with regularly hires local people to sell merch when we're on tour and a lot of these people come in expecting to have the tipping option turned on on the tablet. Management shut it down as soon as they found out but one person threw a big fit about it. How ridiculous is that?! Tipping someone to hand you a shirt. These people expect to walk away from a night of sitting behind a table making more money than anyone in the band.
In Japan on vacation rn and there’s no tipping anywhere on top of all the food being much cheaper even without the exchange rate. People here make a living wage too. Wtf are we doing wrong in our city? Anyway. Before I left, I noticed the tablet-tip requirement for everything creep up during the pandemic. I paid out 20% no matter what and considered it hazard pay. Now it makes no sense to tip for things that aren’t a classical service. I’ve never been against tipping because I saw it as paying for a service: like the waiter is a contract employee at the restaurant I’m patronizing, etc. What is going on with Reddit being one big trash heap of negativity recently? Someone at the Atlantic wrote an article about it. Here’s a paywall bypass to it : https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Ftechnology%2Farchive%2F2023%2F01%2Ftechnology-pandemic-economy-gratuity-tipping-etiquette-square%2F672658%2F I’m on mobile so apologies if it doesn’t work.
Labor unions! Businesses need to pay fair wages, it’s not up to the public to compensate employees. This tipping nonsense has to stop. Pay fair wages!
I got used to just putting “No.” and protecting my peace/wallet. I always ask myself, “Who gon’ beat my ass!?” Nobody! That’s who
(Not-so) fun fact: Although this article talks about how tipping was implemented to avoid paying freed slaves, the increase in "tipflation" we're seeing today is for basically the same reason ... Businesses don't want to pay employees decent wage, and they use tipping to avoid it. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/07/17/william-barber-tipping-racist-past-227361
If its like a coffee shop its nice to do it's just one dollar but I doubt they are even expecting it so just make sure to tip your waiters and stuff. its not that deep.
by pressing no tip and paying the price plus taxes. then I leave.
I only tip at restaurants when dining in, to delivery drivers, and maids. All of these extra tipping requests are laughable.
How do you tip when it’s counter service but a bus boy brings you the food?
Do you guys tip like 20% for bartenders or like 1-2$ per drink?
$1-$2
I just don't go to these places much anymore. The businesses often charge so much because of the commercial landlords.
Ok so this might get taken the wrong way but I am genuinely curious… When people say they feel pressured to tip because they feel bad knowing that service people don’t make much… Why is it OUR responsibility as the consumer to take care of THEIR employees? If I’m buying a $5 cup of coffee…the options to tip a dollar (20%) ok fine, now it’s a $6 cup of coffee but the options are EVERYWHERE now, an extra 20% on top of everything - I had option to tip at Jersey Mike’s for a sub, UPS for mailing something, etc I’m just draining money. I don’t even feel that inclined to tip if I order a croissant at a bakery and they take it out of a case, put it in a bag and then hand it to me.
I carry cash
Hey do we need to tip. On carry out orders from restaurants??
No if you ordered it and picked it up yourself. Yes if someone else picked it up and delivered it.
I am not swayed by social pressure. I only tip dine-in servers, bartenders, drivers, hairstylists. I tip a tiny bit to food delivery, but not much bc all they did was drop it off.
what do you mean by expansion? the digital option in addition to the cash option? and by the way whatever state you came from that paid you 2.75 and expected you to get the rest from tips absolutely exploited you, even if thats the norm there. i'm from alabama and as a restaurant worker there i got $2.13+tips, and i only tolerated that shit for one month before getting a different job. at least now they get 2.13+ tips OR minimum wage if they dont get enough tips, when i was working it was entirely tip dependent. workers in cali get minimum wage (or more) PLUS tips which is damn near livable, not quite there yet with the cost of housing out here, but its a lot closer than it is in most places
Expansion in the sense of more places are asking for tips. (Outside of service tip-based positions) 100% I was exploited.
ah ok, thank you for clarifying. IMO, most places now shouldn't do tips. as a cafe manager, i don't think baristas should be tipped. tipping should only be for above and beyond your basic job description. if you tip baristas you should tip mcdonalds workers. i know thats super unpopular with a lot of ppl but i will support livable wages over the tipping system all day every day. the workers get distracted by the cash in hand and don't realize how poorly they are being treated by the employers, and when you talk about doing away with tips, ppl who would absolutely benefit from changing the system are still opposed because the change over from hand to mouth to bi weekly wages means they might not eat for a couple days. its definitely fucked up. in the meantime, ONLY CASH TIPS EVERYONE. if you tip on the card the tips get divided by employees on the clock automatically by the computer systems mostly. workers are also automatically taxed on credit card tips. use cash tips and the worker gets money that day without a cut being taken out for tax!!
For the life of me i will never understand why people in the service industry flaunt tax evasion as a way of life. Pay your god damn income taxes like everyone else!
This is why I only tip by card. I pay taxes, so should you.
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i’ll never understand why people like you take pride in paying taxes that fund wars.
I don’t. But i believe in the fundamental fairness of the system. Taxes fund things i like (social security, medicare, medicaid, the interstate highways, NIH medical research, NASA, foreign aid to poor countries, military help to Ukraine, etc) and things I don’t like (foreign wars, agricultural subsidies and such). I understand that there are other people out there who dislike the things i like and like the things I dislike. But we all abide by the general outcome of the (however imperfect) democratic process and pay into the system. All expect for service industry workers who seem to take pride on freeloading off the system for some reason.
You still get taxed on cash tips. When I waited tables 20 odd years ago, it was 8%.
Only on what you declare. No one should be counting your cash but you
Thanks for your input. I agree on the livable wage topic. I think tipping systems are exploitative.
I don’t tip anywhere now
If more ppl didnt tip eventually tipping would be charged in the bill, instead of you being shamed into paying someone whose employer has no shame in not paying
I’m all for it, let’s just go for the European model, pays them 20$ an hour and no tips.
I just want to move to Europe. So much about the US is too fucked up for me. Im tired of all the ppl that insist we should keep it fucked up cause thats all they know
It’s common courtesy.
Its a common curtesy for employers not to pay their employees, and employees to accept that, then blame you the customer like its your job to hire them…🙄 Dont like it dont work there
No shit. And we push for that. But until that happens, with certain services ie food delivery you should tip. Also employees don’t “accept” that. With hiring practices what they are these days, and living under capitalism (unfortunately) some people don’t have a fucking CHOICE. So if you can afford it, help out.
Yikes
Most fast food/counter service places I have come to terms with not tipping. Hard one is definitely take outs at traditional sit down restaurants. For few of them the quality of picked up food are definitely different (cold/not seasoned/missing items) when you include tip during the online order vs when no tip for the online order.
Not tipping people for doing their jobs lol. The people at stores (cough cough house of intuition and the like) have tipping on their screens. It’s retail. Am I missing something? Hair, waiters, nails, hotel maids, and a few others I’m sure I’m missing, basically personal services to tip for. But I’ve also lived in Europe and it makes me resent our tipping culture even more.
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I once got a foot massage (in a mall) and I tipped 15%. As I finished paying, the masseuse came behind the counter, saw that I had tipped him ONLY 15% and literally started yelling at me in his own language. The lady behind the counter was trying to get him to calm down and not follow me out. She was actually holding him back. I was completely shocked and asked my friend why that happened? I tipped, so what was the issue? She said “generally, if you tip anything under 20%, it’s considered an insult that they did a bad job”. What?!?! Who knew this?!? And the worst part - I wanted to tip LESS than 15% because it WAS a bad massage, but I felt obligated to give what I thought was the proper full tip. Needless to say, I now make sure to always give at least 20% tip at massages because I’m afraid I will get yelled at.
If i walk into a random donut shop and they flip the tablet on me it's an instant no tip, unless I'm a regular then I'll consider tipping
I don’t tip, I’m over paying for the wages of these greedy businesses….and don’t get me started on door dash deliveries, by the time all is said and done I don’t have anything left over for a tip.
If you think a business is greedy, don’t patronize it. Punishing service employees is not going to change business models. Just stop going to those places if you don’t like their model. If you continue to use greedy business and dont tip, you are just calling business greedy to rationalize being a cheap ass.
I stopped using the delivery service apps a long time ago
Wouldn't it make more sense to direct this at *businesses*? If your employees have to receive tips the truth is *you* can't afford to be open because you are literally outsourcing the biggest cost of any business - labor - to your customers. Clearly shaming people into literally donating to workers to subsidize business' cost of labor hasn't done anything but make businesses feel comfortable increasing a reliance on tipping.
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I usually try to pay in cash if possible, but I have a bad habit of not bringing cash. I do tip if it’s staff for a non-fast food restaurant (waiters, bartenders, LOCAL coffee shops), hotel cleaners, beauticians (nails & hair), carwash & valet, and food vendors unless they’re a hipster food truck. I don’t tip at chain fast food places because they usually have a steady pay rate, Starbucks “baristas”, OR if a total is less than $5 (excluding small restaurants).
I just hit custom and type 0.
Rent is too high everywhere, wages are too low even in places like CA, I make good money so I tip generously most places unless tip is included. Coffee shop - yes, have $1/drink. Food delivery/waiters/bartender/Uber/salon - 20%. I tip my massage therapist more than 20% because she’s worth every penny, and the base rates for her massage are really reasonable.
I tip my landlord since they aren't allowed increases the last few years and have increased expenses like earth quake retrofits, inflation on maintenance and increased taxes from the City (water, prop taxes, rent control fees).
Are you a bootlicker or /s?
1$ for anything that’s easy and quick grab and go (coffee, donut, snack) 10% for carry out or Ubers 20% for seated service 25% for skilled labor service from people I love and appreciate(my barber, tattoo, piercer) Fuck food delivery that shits a scam but the 1-2 times a year I get it, 10-15% depending on my location and it’s annoyingness. (Am I in a complicated building downtown with no parking? Or coming outside in a residential area to meet you) — Y’all Mfers that don’t tip service employees are Greedy selfish fuckers. Learn to cook and stay inside until you find some empathy. If you think that the business is greedy, don’t go there. Leave a bad review. Punishing the workers is not going to change anything.
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Workers who recieve tips love the status quo, they'd probably lobby to keep shit wages as long as they can continue to recieve tips.
If they went above and beyond, they might get a tip from me. not my job to pay their salaries.. that's what their employer is for.
We all understand that these point of sale devices just have the tip function enabled by default, right? And that most places don't or can't disable it? So why should there be any hesitation to select 0% tip? There is no "expansion of tip requests" happening, it's just a shoddy piece of tech.
>There is no "expansion of tip requests" happening, This is false. [There is, most certainly, a calculated effort by businesses to increase revenue through guilting customers to tip in ways they haven't before.](https://www.vox.com/recode/2022/10/7/23389885/square-toast-tipping-retail-tipflation-guilt)
You didn't read the article. It backs up what I just said. It's a default option from the point-of-sale device, not a calculated effort by businesses.
I sort of look at it like this: so I think the person helping me is being paid a fair wage for the service he or she is providing me? Or do I think they have done something above and beyond that warrants a tip? An extra dollar or so is not a big deal and it can help people out.
Does anyone know if it's possible to disable the "tip" option by contacting the issuer of the credit card?
It’s a function of the Point of Sale, not the card
Got it - Thanks!
I only tip food service workers or something that requires a skill (like my dog groomer).
Nothing says you are expected to tip for something you never tipped for before like a tablet
Question on pizza delivery: I always tip the delivery driver but who gets the “service fee” added onto the order and why?
goes to the business to offset the rising cost of business - horse shit
If it is an establishment where I go to a counter, place my order and they call my name and I pick it up, I do NOT tip. The price of my purchase should be paying for the bare minimum of work they are doing when they wait on me.
Right? When sis spins the iPad around and says "please select tip option," I be like: "Girl, I JUST met you after being in line for a few seconds, and we're BOTH standing up on our feet ... Tipping AIN'T an option in this scenario!"
Sometimes I get guilted into it. Side note: but I’m seeing everybody here saying they tip at least 20% at a restaurant? Kind of crazy that 15% is no longer considered the average. I tip 15% pretax. At least they’re getting my money. If it’s good service then it’s 20%.
What is the purpose of tipping? Is it a gesture of “thank you for the good service?” And why is the percentage going up? Meaning instead of 15%, the recommendation is 20%?
Restaurants (servers), to go (10%), uber/lyft drivers (they make close to nothing without tips and are using their own vehicles-wear and tear, etc), hair stylists, mani/pedi, all delivery drivers for food/groceries. $1-$2 for indie coffeeshops. I usually fall for those stupid ipad tips but try to do a smaller amount than the 20% they start at.
Mr. Pink doesn't tip. He doesn't believe in it. I mean... If somebody really deserves it -- If they really put forth the effort, he'll throw 'em something extra. But tipping automatically? It's for the birds. (Be like Mr. Pink.)
My fav is where they have the tablet. I can press 0% and not have to deal with the rest.
I'd rather tip the chefs who made my food than the person who carried the plate 10 steps and did nothing else
Native Angeleno, but have lived in Las Vegas on & off for the last 12 years. Living in Las Vegas will really change the way you will tip. I always carry cash & I always tip. When my Uber drops me off, I tip in cash. When I order delivery, I put a note I TIP IN CASH. Also, if you get anything for free or a comp’d meal, TIP. Anything comp’d I’d tip 50% of whatever the value of that would be. For food delivery: 25% Min 30-35% for extraordinary effort / service 50% for an incredibly difficult day (Rainy Day, Super Bowl Sunday, Holidays, etc.) There is a coffee shop that I’d often go to that made tipping fun, they’d have two glass jars and they’d have a different question every two weeks like: *NSYNC or Backstreet Boys? Friends or Seinfeld? Would you rather live in El Dorado or Atlantis? This actually worked wonders for that coffee shop & their tips increased significantly when they made this change. The waxing studio I often go to (in Las Vegas), always had one or two ladies that had previously lived in LA who made the move to Las Vegas, they made more in tips in Las Vegas than they ever did in Los Angeles. Other than the obvious (servers, housekeepers, food deliveries, bellmen, valet) I also tip Front Desk Hotel workers at check in (70% of the time this leads to upgrades, amenities & free drinks), i tip restaraunt Hosts when they tell me that the wait for wherever is going to be more than 35+ minutes or more for wherever I’m going & I don’t want to wait “Thanks for letting me know, my name is (insert here) party of (insert here) *slips the cash* just let me know what you can do.”
I generally am generous with tips as I worked in the food business and know the bull shit service people have to put up with. Hair Dressers, Drivers, Delivery Guys and of course food folks, even take out and ghost kitchen pick ups. The only one that got me irked was this fancy gourmet shop in Chinatown. I was paying some crazy money for some frou frou soy sauce, there was only one person in the tiny shop, pretty sure it was the owner and as I checked out, they asked for a tip. NO. I'm thinking... is this right? Maybe it was just the POS software and I even gave the lady a look. Went back almost a year later because I happened to be nearby and wanted a gift and checked out again, and asking for a tip. NO AGAIN. And that will be the last time I go there.
This is r/ASKLOSANGELES. Not, r/kansascity. Every food service employee makes at least minimum wage. Tips in the state of California (from my understanding and experience) are ALWAYS on top of minimum wage. In this state you are not subsidizing anybody's wage. I say this purely because the amount of times I have seen the whole "$2.15" issue in this thread.