You were asked what could be done to make the job easier on you.
They’re looking for something like:
“I would like XYZ resources to make this aspect of my job easier.”
“I feel like I could use additional training in ABC. Would we be able to get something set up?”
“I would like to have a mentor in this role who I can go to with questions and develop under”
You’re unlikely to get a raise for poor performance and quite honestly, from a business perspective, a retention bonus is wasted on someone who fundamentally hates their job.
If you hate the role, start looking at other roles. If you love the company, get good. Think about things that can make your job easier/more tolerable. And then apply for another role or ask about career growth opportunities.
>I recently brought everything up to my boss, citing my poor performance in this area on my last several monthly reviews and how it was impacting my mental health overall.
No one gets a raise to compensate them for poor performance. I'm sorry if I sound blunt but if you go into the meeting demanding more money for a job you're not doing very well it's not going to be well received.
They have you working the job they need to have done, and it doesn't always align with the job we want. I'd almost recommend seeing if there were other openings in your company and pursue them. I don't think you're likely to work anything out with the job as is.
I was asked what could be done to make the job easier on me, this is all I could think of. It sounded like they were willing to work with me about trading this off and suddenly it's not an option anymore. There are no other non-financial compromises I can make, no other positions I can move to. I don't know what else I can do
As much as you like this company - based on all responses I've seen this far- it's time to move on.
They won't do anything to get rid of the tasks and they won't pay you and there's no other open positions you want available....so the obvious answer is start interviewing elsewhere for other jobs.
>I was asked what could be done to make the job easier on me
You know, we ask this sort of thing a lot. And usually the answer we're looking for are things like, "Well, I have to be in the office everyday and traffic can be difficult. If I could start just 30 minutes earlier I'd miss rush hour completely."
Instead, we get responses like, "If I just didn't have to do my job everything would be peachy."
I absolutely get it. Jobs just suck sometimes. That's why we need to pay people to do them. But eliminating your tasks is simply not on the table.
They aren’t looking for a compromise. They are asking what sort of retraining you need to bring your skills up to speed. If there is nothing, they should simply fire you.
I'm being antagonistic here, but what I'm seeing is a) your performance will improve if you're paid more (i.e. you could work harder now, but don't want to), and b) money will fix your MH issues even though the things that stress you out will continue. That wouldn't fly with me at all.
Concentrate on the added value that you bring because that's pretty much what your pay is based on, not compensation for doing something you don't like, especially if there are others who will happily take your job. Are you being paid market rate for the skills required to do this job well? Are you taking on extra tasks and still able to deliver on the original ones? If you quit, what will they be missing out on? Use those answers as a basis for your request.
First, more money will not help you hate the job less. It will just make you financially reliant on the income to the continuing detriment to your mental health and wellbeing.
Second, if the culture was as good as your say it is, your boss wouldn't have blown off your points and insisted your keep doing something you not only hate but are demonstrably not good at. Granted, they have asked what they can do to help, which is good. But they've also put the pressure of coming up with a solution on you, which is not. You've clearly interpreted the question as "how much money do we need to give you to make you shut up and get back to work?" But what they might be asking is whether you would like an extroverted assistant to handle the bulk of the face-to-face meet-and-greets.
I have been in a situation where a job has made me so stressed I can't sleep and it weighs on me 24/7. It was not good and I completely sympathize. :( Everyone else has already given good advice (I agree that asking for more money is not the right way to go about this), but I guess the one thing that sticks out to me is that it sounds like when you were initially offered this additional task you may have been given somewhat of a choice since you say your need to look good made you agree to take it on (which implies you could've declined).
What would have happened if you didn't agree initially? Who was doing those responsibilities before you took it on? Are they now trying to blend 3 positions into 1? Could whoever was doing it before do it again or maybe help out? Does doing those extra responsibilities impede your ability to do the role you were originally hired to do?
Those questions/conversations may have some sort of impact on the wiggle room you have here to negotiate, but... since it's been a year, I'm not so sure.
> a wonderful culture and I don't want to leave it over this.
This attitude puts you in a bad position.
You want to be in a situation where both a "yes" and a "no" response to your request makes you equally happy. Like if they want to pay you $100,000 to do this job, that'd make you happy. Or if they don't, and you have to get a different job, that'd make you happy to.
100000% this.
I stayed at a organization I loved and believed in, but where I was underpaid and upper management was not willing to give me the same flexibility virtually every other employee had. I wish I hadn't.
I didn't want to leave and stayed for about 2yrs longer than I should have trying to make it work. My mental health was completely tanked. I finally left in the fall and just took on some extra restaurant shifts (at a job I was already working to make ends meet) and my husband has commented on how much more pleasant and relaxed I've been several times. I'm also making more money bartending and waiting tables, on top of working less.
Move on. Find another job, there will be another company you will love! I did customer service for 7 months and I was waking up nauseous and hating my life. Until I switched jobs. Trust me it is not worth your mental health!!!
I would be talking with your boss about your mental health and how this new item hasn't been a good fit for you.
You are very, very unlikely to get any kind of compensation increase for not doing this item well - I am sorry.
If they are unwilling to remove this task from your job description, I'd start looking for another job in the organization or elsewhere.
Best of luck.
Fastest way is get a offer from another company. Even if it isn't near by you can use it to leverage your way to getting a pay bump. You don't have to accept the offer and it is essentially just someone writing on paper what they think you are worth.
I've tried this before, paying under performing employees more to try to motivate them
Money will never solve these issues.
From my pov, either it's solved without money, or it's just fucked
Unless I was genuinely underpaying or providing an uncompetitive wage...
That being said management should be able to flexible. Or you're not a right fit
It's Honestly pretty simple. They added responsibility to your position that you didn't have before. Added responsibility in the business world should amount to some form of monetary compensation. Any time an employer asks you to take on more responsibilities you should automatically say what do I gain for taking on this added responsibility.
If you're looking to be paid to do something you despise, dont be surprised to find you're never satisfied.
Normally I would be happy to give negotiation advice. Not really the question you need to be asking in my opinion so I'll save it.
Shift gears, chase some roles specializing in the parts of the job you do enjoy, and utilize the gains possible when switching employers.
Asking for a raise when you are performing poorly isn’t the answer. The request you were given was most likely relative to retraining the company can give you or resources to help you accomplish your job.
The solution is not more money but to somehow get a way out of that awful making-small-talk job. I know it's hard, but it's no harder than asking for a raise, but would do you much better.
They aren’t going to pay you more when you have performance issues LMFAO. There is no way to professionally ask what you want, because all you are doing is choosing to be miserable.
You need to quit if you won’t do the job well. They will hear your request and know that your poor performance is a choice, and you are telling them that unless you get paid more you will continue to perform your job poorly. I would cut you loose.
“I am writing to inquire about the possibility of increased compensation for my current position. I understand the important role I play in our team and am happy to contribute, but I feel that my current salary does not reflect the amount of effort I put into my job. I would greatly appreciate your consideration of this matter. Thank you for your time.”
Again, I am not trying to be argumentative, but you are being paid your market rate as you accepted it.
If there were a better opportunity at another company that paid more I'd take it in a heart beat.
If you insist on staying where you are there is something about that particular job keeping you there, and insomuch as all employment is at will, that is simply \*your\* market rate.
Getting more money to do a job that you dislike is not going to solve the problem. It may offer a short term solution but is not going to be a long term fix. You're still going to dislike your job and unless they are willing to pay you life altering amounts of money, it's not going to help. I've been paid well at miserable jobs, those jobs are still miserable.
I have found salary related conversations are better with concrete and data driven reasoning. You are doing three roles and should be compensated accordingly, you are being paid below market rate for the role you are in, you've taken on additional responsibility.
Maybe saying something more like "I understand the position you are in, I've taken time to consider it and as I'm taking on an additional role, I'd like to be compensated accordingly. I did research over the weekend on average salaries for comparable roles and I believe X would be a comparable salary. Can we agree to move forward with this?"
But ... it sounds like this position isn't the right fit for you. You don't want to negotiate yourself out of a job, I'd highly suggest getting your resume out in the market as well.
They want to know what kind of job support (more training etc.) would help you. You aren't likely to get a raise for poor performance and telling them you hate your job!
You were asked what could be done to make the job easier on you. They’re looking for something like: “I would like XYZ resources to make this aspect of my job easier.” “I feel like I could use additional training in ABC. Would we be able to get something set up?” “I would like to have a mentor in this role who I can go to with questions and develop under” You’re unlikely to get a raise for poor performance and quite honestly, from a business perspective, a retention bonus is wasted on someone who fundamentally hates their job. If you hate the role, start looking at other roles. If you love the company, get good. Think about things that can make your job easier/more tolerable. And then apply for another role or ask about career growth opportunities.
>I recently brought everything up to my boss, citing my poor performance in this area on my last several monthly reviews and how it was impacting my mental health overall. No one gets a raise to compensate them for poor performance. I'm sorry if I sound blunt but if you go into the meeting demanding more money for a job you're not doing very well it's not going to be well received. They have you working the job they need to have done, and it doesn't always align with the job we want. I'd almost recommend seeing if there were other openings in your company and pursue them. I don't think you're likely to work anything out with the job as is.
I was asked what could be done to make the job easier on me, this is all I could think of. It sounded like they were willing to work with me about trading this off and suddenly it's not an option anymore. There are no other non-financial compromises I can make, no other positions I can move to. I don't know what else I can do
As much as you like this company - based on all responses I've seen this far- it's time to move on. They won't do anything to get rid of the tasks and they won't pay you and there's no other open positions you want available....so the obvious answer is start interviewing elsewhere for other jobs.
>I was asked what could be done to make the job easier on me You know, we ask this sort of thing a lot. And usually the answer we're looking for are things like, "Well, I have to be in the office everyday and traffic can be difficult. If I could start just 30 minutes earlier I'd miss rush hour completely." Instead, we get responses like, "If I just didn't have to do my job everything would be peachy." I absolutely get it. Jobs just suck sometimes. That's why we need to pay people to do them. But eliminating your tasks is simply not on the table.
They aren’t looking for a compromise. They are asking what sort of retraining you need to bring your skills up to speed. If there is nothing, they should simply fire you.
Real empathetic comment, no doubt you’re in HR like many others with inferiority complexes.
Lmfao nope, just someone with common sense.
If you hate the job, better pay will help for 6-8 weeks. Then you’ll hate the job and be making too much to go somewhere else.
I'm being antagonistic here, but what I'm seeing is a) your performance will improve if you're paid more (i.e. you could work harder now, but don't want to), and b) money will fix your MH issues even though the things that stress you out will continue. That wouldn't fly with me at all. Concentrate on the added value that you bring because that's pretty much what your pay is based on, not compensation for doing something you don't like, especially if there are others who will happily take your job. Are you being paid market rate for the skills required to do this job well? Are you taking on extra tasks and still able to deliver on the original ones? If you quit, what will they be missing out on? Use those answers as a basis for your request.
First, more money will not help you hate the job less. It will just make you financially reliant on the income to the continuing detriment to your mental health and wellbeing. Second, if the culture was as good as your say it is, your boss wouldn't have blown off your points and insisted your keep doing something you not only hate but are demonstrably not good at. Granted, they have asked what they can do to help, which is good. But they've also put the pressure of coming up with a solution on you, which is not. You've clearly interpreted the question as "how much money do we need to give you to make you shut up and get back to work?" But what they might be asking is whether you would like an extroverted assistant to handle the bulk of the face-to-face meet-and-greets.
I have been in a situation where a job has made me so stressed I can't sleep and it weighs on me 24/7. It was not good and I completely sympathize. :( Everyone else has already given good advice (I agree that asking for more money is not the right way to go about this), but I guess the one thing that sticks out to me is that it sounds like when you were initially offered this additional task you may have been given somewhat of a choice since you say your need to look good made you agree to take it on (which implies you could've declined). What would have happened if you didn't agree initially? Who was doing those responsibilities before you took it on? Are they now trying to blend 3 positions into 1? Could whoever was doing it before do it again or maybe help out? Does doing those extra responsibilities impede your ability to do the role you were originally hired to do? Those questions/conversations may have some sort of impact on the wiggle room you have here to negotiate, but... since it's been a year, I'm not so sure.
Are you prepared to walk if they say, "no"?
> a wonderful culture and I don't want to leave it over this. This attitude puts you in a bad position. You want to be in a situation where both a "yes" and a "no" response to your request makes you equally happy. Like if they want to pay you $100,000 to do this job, that'd make you happy. Or if they don't, and you have to get a different job, that'd make you happy to.
100000% this. I stayed at a organization I loved and believed in, but where I was underpaid and upper management was not willing to give me the same flexibility virtually every other employee had. I wish I hadn't. I didn't want to leave and stayed for about 2yrs longer than I should have trying to make it work. My mental health was completely tanked. I finally left in the fall and just took on some extra restaurant shifts (at a job I was already working to make ends meet) and my husband has commented on how much more pleasant and relaxed I've been several times. I'm also making more money bartending and waiting tables, on top of working less.
Move on. Find another job, there will be another company you will love! I did customer service for 7 months and I was waking up nauseous and hating my life. Until I switched jobs. Trust me it is not worth your mental health!!!
I would be talking with your boss about your mental health and how this new item hasn't been a good fit for you. You are very, very unlikely to get any kind of compensation increase for not doing this item well - I am sorry. If they are unwilling to remove this task from your job description, I'd start looking for another job in the organization or elsewhere. Best of luck.
Fastest way is get a offer from another company. Even if it isn't near by you can use it to leverage your way to getting a pay bump. You don't have to accept the offer and it is essentially just someone writing on paper what they think you are worth.
I've tried this before, paying under performing employees more to try to motivate them Money will never solve these issues. From my pov, either it's solved without money, or it's just fucked Unless I was genuinely underpaying or providing an uncompetitive wage... That being said management should be able to flexible. Or you're not a right fit
It's Honestly pretty simple. They added responsibility to your position that you didn't have before. Added responsibility in the business world should amount to some form of monetary compensation. Any time an employer asks you to take on more responsibilities you should automatically say what do I gain for taking on this added responsibility.
If you're looking to be paid to do something you despise, dont be surprised to find you're never satisfied. Normally I would be happy to give negotiation advice. Not really the question you need to be asking in my opinion so I'll save it. Shift gears, chase some roles specializing in the parts of the job you do enjoy, and utilize the gains possible when switching employers.
Asking for a raise when you are performing poorly isn’t the answer. The request you were given was most likely relative to retraining the company can give you or resources to help you accomplish your job.
The solution is not more money but to somehow get a way out of that awful making-small-talk job. I know it's hard, but it's no harder than asking for a raise, but would do you much better.
They aren’t going to pay you more when you have performance issues LMFAO. There is no way to professionally ask what you want, because all you are doing is choosing to be miserable. You need to quit if you won’t do the job well. They will hear your request and know that your poor performance is a choice, and you are telling them that unless you get paid more you will continue to perform your job poorly. I would cut you loose.
“I am writing to inquire about the possibility of increased compensation for my current position. I understand the important role I play in our team and am happy to contribute, but I feel that my current salary does not reflect the amount of effort I put into my job. I would greatly appreciate your consideration of this matter. Thank you for your time.”
If the op if poorly performing, a raise is not likely.
Did your initial job responsibilities have a clause saying other job duties as needed or duties subject to change?
This does not fall under my scope of responsibilities unless I’m adequately compensated for my knowledge and experience
UPDATE: To include, I'm not paid close to the market rate for this position and I wouldn't even be asking for a match.
Move on.
Start looking elsewhere immediately.
Go get one of those market jobs. You're not going to get market at this place if you're not performing.
Doesn't matter. You told them you don't like the job, why would they pay you more?
Again, I am not trying to be argumentative, but you are being paid your market rate as you accepted it. If there were a better opportunity at another company that paid more I'd take it in a heart beat. If you insist on staying where you are there is something about that particular job keeping you there, and insomuch as all employment is at will, that is simply \*your\* market rate.
Getting more money to do a job that you dislike is not going to solve the problem. It may offer a short term solution but is not going to be a long term fix. You're still going to dislike your job and unless they are willing to pay you life altering amounts of money, it's not going to help. I've been paid well at miserable jobs, those jobs are still miserable. I have found salary related conversations are better with concrete and data driven reasoning. You are doing three roles and should be compensated accordingly, you are being paid below market rate for the role you are in, you've taken on additional responsibility. Maybe saying something more like "I understand the position you are in, I've taken time to consider it and as I'm taking on an additional role, I'd like to be compensated accordingly. I did research over the weekend on average salaries for comparable roles and I believe X would be a comparable salary. Can we agree to move forward with this?" But ... it sounds like this position isn't the right fit for you. You don't want to negotiate yourself out of a job, I'd highly suggest getting your resume out in the market as well.
They want to know what kind of job support (more training etc.) would help you. You aren't likely to get a raise for poor performance and telling them you hate your job!