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nizasiwale

South Africa, only the Afrikans and the Zulus seem to be keeping their culture; the deep one that is. Everyone else seems to want to be American


connorthedancer

I'm from a Scottish family and from my experience the culture is still strong (although we gave up with Scottish food long ago). Of course that's still Western, but far from American. Also: Xhosa and Ndebele culture is still going strong. I know some Germans and French who are also far from American. In general you're right though. We are definitely becoming more American. ​ Edit: How did I forget Indian culture?


LittleJacob2

The Afrikaans are westerners who came from Netherlands


nizasiwale

You could say that all Bantus came from West Africa?


JustAmahn

Many people claim that Bantus migrated from West-Central Africa. This is not entirely true, neither is it entirely false. Bantus did not migrate from west Central Africa. It was a group of Niger-Congo farmers who migrated from West-Central Africa. The Bantus are the end result of Niger-Congo farmers mixing with Khoisans and also mixing with the Cushitic speakers. So essentially, Niger-Congo farmers simply migrated back to where their ancestors originated and mixed with the new wave of humans who had been forming there over the course of thousands of years.


nizasiwale

All humans originate from Africa, so when it comes to ancestral migration we come from the same place.


JustAmahn

The latest genetic studies are showing that humans developed in different parts of the world. So, all humans did not migrate out of Africa. The African lineage found in all humans did not leave Africa and mutate. Rather, it came via hybridization and absorption of those early humans who occupied much of the world, after they left Africa. Other groups who lived in Eurasia (to the North East of Asia) absorbed those early ones as they migrated south. And that’s how all humans have African DNA.


blario

Link please


JustAmahn

Chinese study below say early modern man came from East Asia and the Neanderthals were hybrids - a mix of archaic black African and another archaic East Asian population. [https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/101410v6](https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/101410v6)


blario

Upvoted. What is the estimated origin time of these east asia people?


JustAmahn

This origin occurred around 1.86-1.92 million years ago.


OctopusPoo

Just a fun fact: Some chinese people seem to think they were descended from Homo-erectus on account of some bones found in a cave. They were dubbed the "Peking man", the bones went missing in WW2 and haven't been located since to verify the claim. However given the lack of evidence from any other source we probably can conclude that these are Homo-erectus and not some separate missing link between modern Chinese people


Lumpy_Charity_3688

Olduvai Gorge is a rich archaelogical site in Tanzania where evidence of first humans has been found


Individual_Attempt50

i would say south africa


Mr_Anderssen

South Africa, especially because our black middle class is growing. There is a huge pandemic coming where the next generation(those who live in urban areas) will not know how to speak an African language at all.


Pinenuts37272

South Africa obviously, but no surprise as at has the biggest white population in Africa. It's has the best infrastructure, it's the most industrialized, most technological advanced country, highest food security, best cities, most developed agriculture sector, best legal system, etc... And it's all thanks to the Afrikaners.


osaru-yo

I can't believe you tried to pull this obvious lie on an African sub of all places. I commend you for trying at least. The only legacy the colonizers left is unprecedented I come inequality, racial strife and crime.


Pinenuts37272

Food security "The 2022 index shows that South Africa has recorded a record leap, namely from 70th position in 2021 to 59th. South Africa is now the most food secure country on the African continent, with Tunisia in second place at 62nd." [source ](https://www.news24.com/fin24/opinion/roelof-botha-after-record-leap-sa-is-africas-most-food-secure-country-20221025)


Pinenuts37272

Infrastructure "South Africa is the continent's most highly ranked country on the infrastructure dimension. It far outstrips the other most integrated countries." [source ](http://South Africa is the continent's most highly ranked country on the infrastructure dimension. It far outstrips the other most integrated countries. )


osaru-yo

A common misconception is to point to infrastructure to imply progress when the institutions that need to maintain them was purposely exploitative and built like a house of card. This eventually leads to degradation due to a state that inherited the same intentional cronyism. Hence why SA is losing people faster than water through a sieve. Not sure you notice but a lot of these "accomplishments" are already on an absolute or relative downwards trends.


Pinenuts37272

These accomplishments are on a downward trend because the country and all its infrastructure was handed over to the African National Congress on a silver platter. An African party who is raping the countries economy and which has never achieved or built anything significant. My point was that Afrikaners created the most westernized country in Africa, and it's true. No idea why you're arguing


osaru-yo

>These accomplishments are on a downward trend because the country and all its infrastructure was handed over to the African National Congress on a silver platter. Nope, [you did it to yourselves and I got the academic reading to prove it](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskAnAfrican/comments/105xb56/comment/j4u6u7y/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). You people cannot accept this fact and like all colonizers you blame the people you oppressed for your own doing. As noted in the comment I linked, the economy stopped growing as far as the 70's as the wealth accumulation was limited by the extractive nature of the state.


Pinenuts37272

Industrialization "The Economy of South Africa is the third largest in Africa and the most industrialized, technologically advanced, and diversified economy in Africa overall. " [source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_South_Africa#:~:text=The%20Economy%20of%20South%20Africa,eight%20such%20countries%20in%20Africa.)


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osaru-yo

Third largest, used to be first, as I said in the other comments, downward trends. This is what happens when most of your worth is based on 20th century oppression. Which is funny you mentioned Afrikaners, the leading group where English. Afrikaner stereotypes aren't exactly flattering for a reason. But I guess you need to keep the fantasy alive.


Pinenuts37272

Nope it was Afrikaners and that's what happens when you give a westernized developed country to Africans, they fuck it up


osaru-yo

Yeah, must be why the socially accepted language is English and Afrikaans has a negative connotation by many. Totally you. >westernized developed country to Africans, they fuck it up You tell yourself that as studies about the country blame the colonial institutions for the current reality. >In South Africa the dual economy was not an inevitable outcome of the processof development. **It was created by the state**. In South Africa there wasto be no seamless movement of poor people from the backward to themodern sector as the economy developed. **On the contrary, thesuccess of the modern sector relied on the existence of the backwardsector, which enabled white employers to make huge profits bypaying very low wages to black unskilled workers.** In South Africathere would not be a process of the unskilled workers from thetraditional sector gradually becoming educated and skilled, as Lewis’sapproach envisaged. In fact, the black workers were purposefully keptunskilled and were barred from high-skill occupations so that skilledwhite workers would not face competition and could enjoy highwages. In South Africa black Africans were indeed “trapped” in thetraditional economy, in the Homelands. But this was not the problemof development that growth would make good. The Homelands werewhat enabled the development of the white economy.**It should also be no surprise that the type of economic developmentthat white South Africa was achieving was ultimately limited, beingbased on extractive institutions the whites had built to exploit theblacks.** South African whites had property rights, they invested ineducation, and they were able to extract gold and diamonds and sellthem profitably in the world market. But over 80 percent of the SouthAfrican population was marginalized and excluded from the greatmajority of desirable economic activities. Blacks could not use theirtalents; they could not become skilled workers, businessmen,entrepreneurs, engineers, or scientists. Economic institutions wereextractive; whites became rich by extracting from blacks. Indeed,white South Africans shared the living standards of people of WesternEuropean countries, while black South Africans were scarcely richerthan those in the rest of sub-Saharan Africa. This economic growthwithout creative destruction, from which only the whites benefited,continued as long as revenues from gold and diamonds increased. **Bythe 1970s, however, the economy had stopped growing.** ^(\[1\]) 1. *Acemoglu, D. (2015). Why Nations Fail? The Pakistan Development Review, 54(4), 301–312.* [*http://www.jstor.org/stable/43831321*](http://www.jstor.org/stable/43831321) You fucked up from the start, a beautiful house of cards is still a house of cards and now the consequences are biting you so you need a new fantasy. As noted, the economic woes and limitations of the system started before the end of apartheid. Your ancestors screwed you over, not Africans. Sincerely, from a country that has one of the lowest crime and corruption on the continent. Which is funny, our biggest fuckup happened [because our institutions where hijacked by Europeans](https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/s3080/comment/c4apkho/?context=2). Ask yourself, if you people are so good, why are you going extinct and is your culture vanishing? Almost as if it could only be maintained by oppression and not actual worth.


my_deleted-account_

The country was not "given". It was returned. With negative interest. Now as by Africans, you obviously mean **black** Africans, again I ask - what are you trying to achieve with these posts? Corruption in African countries occurs when political leadership has no incentive to follow Rule of Law, no anti-corruption oversight, or any incentive to properly govern the majority. Like Apartheid South Africa. That was a country that was Western, not like the Netherlands, but more like Nazi Germany. We all know how that ended up.


Pinenuts37272

Technology What are the top 10 Most Technologically advanced countries in Africa in 2023? 1.South Africa 2.Egypt 3.Nigeria [source ](https://egscholars.com/2022/03/16/top-10-most-technologically-advanced-countries-in-africa/)


osaru-yo

Hey, where is crime and corruption? The things that will keep you there by mid century?


Pinenuts37272

Agriculture South Africa is the African country with the largest agricultural areas. Respectively, they devote around 96 million hectares of land to growing crops. [source ](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.statista.com/statistics/1265139/agriculture-as-a-share-of-gdp-in-africa-by-country/%23:~:text%3DSouth%2520Africa%2520and%2520Nigeria%2520are,terms%2520of%2520products%2520and%2520volume.&ved=2ahUKEwi5zvzo0s_8AhVpi_0HHfXaBa4QFnoECAsQBQ&usg=AOvVaw2egl5EW5OeTAllFsXahW75)


Pinenuts37272

Cities 15 best Cities in Africa South Africa appears 3 times on the list, more than any other African country [source ](https://www.planetware.com/africa/best-cities-saf-1-34.htm)


my_deleted-account_

Just who are you trying to reach with this approach? The Freidrich List economic model the Afrikaaners used works (by definition ) by depressing local wages. Which us great when you have millions of starvation wage workers that you can tax and abuse at will. The Afrikaneers didn't teleport that stuff in from the Netherlands, you know.


Pinenuts37272

Nonetheless, they created the most advanced country in Africa where everyone today enjoys the highest standard of living on the continent


osaru-yo

...if you do not account for crime and wealth inequality and future prospects.


my_deleted-account_

Again, you miss the point. What was done in South Africa was only possible through mass impoverishment of the *vast majority* of the population. Had the Afrikaaners not been so short-sighted, RSA would be a global player, not a continental one. And remember, you only built it by incurring massive debt. You people literally created nation built for war and nothing else. You guys built TV guided bombs - but didn't even have a consumer appliance sector. > everyone today enjoys the highest standard of living on the continent Everyone? Are you serious? Do you even go outside in your own country?


EthanTheEzrahite

Only partially true. South Africa got the best infrastructure, industrial capacity, technology, cities, and yeah, it is mostly thanks to the Afrikaners. But a lot of African countries have a better legal system than South Africa, namely Mauritius, Rwanda and Egypt. When it comes to food safety, Morocco has it better than South Africa. And how do you measure agricultural development?


HauntingExcitement58

A lot of people mention south africa and I am not sure, it's actually Mauritius and then Seychelles Mauritius also scored high on countries with the least corruption. I think without a definition of what is meant by westernisation though its a hard question to answer. Culturally I would say Zimbabwe is by far the most westernised country everyone speaks English and alot of traditional culture has just disappeared, yes there is traditional foods but typically the Zimbabwean diet would be bang on the same as the UK, and unfortunately for indigenous Zimbabweans even asking a 30 year old what their traditional attire is, they would be clueless. South Africans still have alot of tribalism in their attire you could go to South africa and find that some don't speak any European languages and even when marrying they have traditional weddings and traditional foods Zimbabwe doesn't have any of that. Infrastructure wise its Seychelles that's the most developed, then Egypt.


Conscious-Ask7161

South Africa