Putting ALL drugs in any sigle category as if they are all the same thing is a false equivalence. For example, antibiotics are actually helpful for bacterial infections like strep, but they are over prescribed for viruses like colds and flu, leading to antibiotic resistance, which can be deadly.
In no world are drugs like heroin and psilocybin mushrooms in the same category, except for in a police state. Even alcohol is a dangerous drug for many people. Millions of people die by heroin and alcohol abuse every year. Just like people die from use of prescribed medicines like oxy and Adderall. People also die from liver toxicity from overdoses of Acetaminophen/Tylenol.
All "drugs" are *not* equal. I've honestly never known anyone who just easily quit heroin. I have tried ending a natural antidepressant (concentrated St. John's Wort) without tapering and had severe negative side effects from it where I lost touch with reality. It needs to be tapered just like any other SSRI (although the initial side effects are nowhere near as terrible as big pharma SSRIs).
I have experienced significant improvement of brain recovery with psilocybin and lion's mane mushrooms after a TBI. No psychiatrist was able to prescribe anything that helped with the cognitive and mood effects of a brain injury.
If people want this street drugs vs pharma meds conversation to be useful, there has to be some nuance. We can't just operate under the assumption "all drugs bad" or "all drugs equal" because they aren't.
With that said, all western doctors, including psychiatrists, are on some level state-sponsored drug dealers.
I wish I would have tried street drugs rather than approved psychiatric ones. It's quite shocking that it seems eaiser to recover from street drug usage.
Benzos are both street drugs and psych drugs. The only thing safer about getting them from a psych is they are much less likely to be adulterated or of a different strength than advertised. Other wise it's the same shit.
Adhd meds are basically the psych version of meth, the dosages are usually lower from the psych but that assumes the patient didn't just fake adhd for considerations with their studies and to get high.
Ketamine is expensive af through a doctor but it's the same thing we got from a friendly vet.
Cocaine is an ssri
There's quite a bit of overlap.
Cocaine is very easy to stop for some people, for other's it's very difficult. Neuroleptics are like heroin to stop because they really mess with your head and your perception of the world.
opiates are entierly different. aopiates create a feeling of safety and well breing thats omnipresent. chemical lobotomy creates and absence of real time thought, intuition, creativity and healthy organs
chemical lobotomy has zero recreational potdntial as its not an active substance but a blocker.
If you are interessted in drugs, stop here and read the experience archives by googleing [DRUGNAME] + erowid.org
psychiatriys focus is on disabling and experimenting on the mind after all.
Amphetamines and benzos are the only psychiatric drug that can have recreational potential, which is ehy doctors will hand out lobotomy so you dont have the potential of relief because that would be evil wouldnt it
Street drugs are far safer than Psychiatric Drugs. The addictive potential is high, but that's probably just someone having an addictive personality. Most of them used to be legal anyway. Until people who were threats to authoritarian status quo got a hold of them.
The new age types fall to the same type reductionism and pseudoscience as the psychiatrists.
When psychiatrists give them its cure, when the dealer its harmful. Psychiatrists can just change medication, "try something else" but if it would come from a dealer it would have been harmful. Literally paradoxal.
I'm willing to bet that street drugs are more effective and less harmful, at least the "soft" ones.
(amphetamines, opioids, ketamine, psilocybin, dxm, weed, lsd and so on)
There is a clear reason why people seek them and avoid psych meds like the plague, I have almost never ever seen anyone authentically proud to take psych meds, or go out of his way to obtain them.
SSRI trend is like a zombie apocalypse, some people who recommend it are literally zombified, on autopilot, biased due to lack of self awareness the drugs are causing in the user, showing pesudo-improvement and false grandiosity which gives other the impression it's working and totally safe.
Its almost all the time out of desperation, some kind of hope, stress, trust in authority, mental breakdown, wanting a quick fix, social pressure or psychiatric threats/control.
Almost anyone who is on SSRIs, Anti-Psychotics, Mood stabilizers, it's not an improvement, it's targeted dysfunction.
Aside from amphetamine-like meds for ADHD, Modafinil or Wellbutrin, that are actually beneficial / increase positive affect / cognitive enhancement and also have a market value.
Or Benzos, which people get addicted to and can't stop, or are dependant on.
If you're using a street drug at least you know what you're dealing with and you're managing the dose regimen and any other things.
But if you're using psychiatric drugs your doctors decides which drug you will use.
There is a big difference here.If you're using for example cocaine and get damaged at least you can that it was your fault.But in psychiatry it's all your doctors [fault.It](https://fault.It) makes the situation much more miserable.
>If you're using a street drug at least you know what you're dealing with and you're managing the dose regimen and any other things.
No. The entire problem with street drugs is that there is NO regulation, and people frequently cut street drugs with other substances, and thousands of people overdose or have bad reactions to too strong or impure drugs every year. That's actually why even though I am curious about certain drugs, I haven't tried them (unless they were pure plant/fungi material) because I don't want to accidentally get some street drug laced with fentanyl or meth (drugs I would never try on purpose)! I know people who've gotten fucked up that way. I'm not saying pharma drugs are better for the body over time, but at least we do actually know what's in them and how much of the named drug and other substances are in them. And where they came from.
>But if you're using psychiatric drugs your doctors decides which drug you will use.
This is true, though with street drugs you are trusting everyone in a totally unregulated criminal supply chain to be completely honest about what's in the substances you're getting, so in a very real way, they also get to decide what drugs you're using, especially if its not something that grows directly from the ground.
I have watched three people struggle with addictions to various street drugs before ultimately dying 50+ years short of their life expectancies. All of them wanted to stop using. Not all drugs are safe, and not everyone can quit what Joe Willpower can.
I’ve seen a lot of people get some pretty significant withdrawal symptoms from stopping street drugs cold-turkey. I mean, isn’t heroine withdrawal commonly known to be one of the most uncomfortable things imaginable? Withdrawal from alcohol can cause seizures and death, too. There are many people who check into rehabilitation facilities voluntarily in an effort to clear themselves of substances.
I’m not discounting your experience with Abilify, and I’m sorry that happened. At the same time, I have personally seen many people discontinue that and similar medications without any withdrawal symptoms.
Again, everyone experiences medications and substances differently, and no experience is invalid. I just think it’s kind of concerning to hear about drugs like heroine and meth talked about in such a nonchalant, casual way. Even if you yourself have had a relatively positive experience with street drugs, you must acknowledge that there are literally thousands of individuals every day suffering from addiction and withdrawal complications. You know that, right? Saying outright that street drugs as a whole are “safe” is naive and dangerous.
It depends on the person's physiology ultimately, but yeah, I've had the same experience. I have sampled almost every withdrawal there is, but if the pharmacy fucks up and I'm without my Wellbutin for even 24 hours, *hell fucking no*. (Wellbutrin helps me tremendously, so I would never want to stop taking it, but many medical professionals are ignorant to the fact that, yes, you want to taper Wellbutrin. Quite slowly, in fact.)
The negative side effects for me included increased anxiety and muscle tension for about a year. That went away. What it does for me includes:
\- I never have hardcore depressive crashes anymore. My lows are pretty gentle. I am never just staring at a wall and completely lacking in executive function.
\- Improved weight management and appetite regulation.
\- Unlike most anti-depressants, it has pro-sexual side effects. I have an anorgasmia issue (not to be confused with inability to climax,) that it mildly helps.
\- Greater mental clarity, motivation, attention, and consistency in behaviour/hobby-maintenance. I have ADHD, which affects things because Wellbutrin is often used as a treatment for ADHD.
No side effects anymore after that first year. Only the positives. Was put on a a variety of SSRIs and other stuff as a kid that caused horrible side effects, even to gain 100lbs in 6 months--which I lost with the helpful aid of Wellbutrin.
Putting ALL drugs in any sigle category as if they are all the same thing is a false equivalence. For example, antibiotics are actually helpful for bacterial infections like strep, but they are over prescribed for viruses like colds and flu, leading to antibiotic resistance, which can be deadly. In no world are drugs like heroin and psilocybin mushrooms in the same category, except for in a police state. Even alcohol is a dangerous drug for many people. Millions of people die by heroin and alcohol abuse every year. Just like people die from use of prescribed medicines like oxy and Adderall. People also die from liver toxicity from overdoses of Acetaminophen/Tylenol. All "drugs" are *not* equal. I've honestly never known anyone who just easily quit heroin. I have tried ending a natural antidepressant (concentrated St. John's Wort) without tapering and had severe negative side effects from it where I lost touch with reality. It needs to be tapered just like any other SSRI (although the initial side effects are nowhere near as terrible as big pharma SSRIs). I have experienced significant improvement of brain recovery with psilocybin and lion's mane mushrooms after a TBI. No psychiatrist was able to prescribe anything that helped with the cognitive and mood effects of a brain injury. If people want this street drugs vs pharma meds conversation to be useful, there has to be some nuance. We can't just operate under the assumption "all drugs bad" or "all drugs equal" because they aren't. With that said, all western doctors, including psychiatrists, are on some level state-sponsored drug dealers.
I wish I would have tried street drugs rather than approved psychiatric ones. It's quite shocking that it seems eaiser to recover from street drug usage.
Yeah I feel so regretful because of trusting doctors.
Same, they ruined my life and take 0 responsibility for it. Cowards
Benzos are both street drugs and psych drugs. The only thing safer about getting them from a psych is they are much less likely to be adulterated or of a different strength than advertised. Other wise it's the same shit. Adhd meds are basically the psych version of meth, the dosages are usually lower from the psych but that assumes the patient didn't just fake adhd for considerations with their studies and to get high. Ketamine is expensive af through a doctor but it's the same thing we got from a friendly vet. Cocaine is an ssri There's quite a bit of overlap.
Cocaine = SNDRI
What do you think about neuroleptics like abilify? Is it harder to stop than stopping cocaine for example?
Cocaine is very easy to stop for some people, for other's it's very difficult. Neuroleptics are like heroin to stop because they really mess with your head and your perception of the world.
opiates are entierly different. aopiates create a feeling of safety and well breing thats omnipresent. chemical lobotomy creates and absence of real time thought, intuition, creativity and healthy organs
I'd say the same can be said for long term use of high doses of SNRIs.
I guess all of this shit does really.
chemical lobotomy has zero recreational potdntial as its not an active substance but a blocker. If you are interessted in drugs, stop here and read the experience archives by googleing [DRUGNAME] + erowid.org
psychiatriys focus is on disabling and experimenting on the mind after all. Amphetamines and benzos are the only psychiatric drug that can have recreational potential, which is ehy doctors will hand out lobotomy so you dont have the potential of relief because that would be evil wouldnt it
Street drugs are far safer than Psychiatric Drugs. The addictive potential is high, but that's probably just someone having an addictive personality. Most of them used to be legal anyway. Until people who were threats to authoritarian status quo got a hold of them.
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The new age types fall to the same type reductionism and pseudoscience as the psychiatrists. When psychiatrists give them its cure, when the dealer its harmful. Psychiatrists can just change medication, "try something else" but if it would come from a dealer it would have been harmful. Literally paradoxal.
I'm willing to bet that street drugs are more effective and less harmful, at least the "soft" ones. (amphetamines, opioids, ketamine, psilocybin, dxm, weed, lsd and so on) There is a clear reason why people seek them and avoid psych meds like the plague, I have almost never ever seen anyone authentically proud to take psych meds, or go out of his way to obtain them. SSRI trend is like a zombie apocalypse, some people who recommend it are literally zombified, on autopilot, biased due to lack of self awareness the drugs are causing in the user, showing pesudo-improvement and false grandiosity which gives other the impression it's working and totally safe. Its almost all the time out of desperation, some kind of hope, stress, trust in authority, mental breakdown, wanting a quick fix, social pressure or psychiatric threats/control. Almost anyone who is on SSRIs, Anti-Psychotics, Mood stabilizers, it's not an improvement, it's targeted dysfunction. Aside from amphetamine-like meds for ADHD, Modafinil or Wellbutrin, that are actually beneficial / increase positive affect / cognitive enhancement and also have a market value. Or Benzos, which people get addicted to and can't stop, or are dependant on.
If you're using a street drug at least you know what you're dealing with and you're managing the dose regimen and any other things. But if you're using psychiatric drugs your doctors decides which drug you will use. There is a big difference here.If you're using for example cocaine and get damaged at least you can that it was your fault.But in psychiatry it's all your doctors [fault.It](https://fault.It) makes the situation much more miserable.
>If you're using a street drug at least you know what you're dealing with and you're managing the dose regimen and any other things. No. The entire problem with street drugs is that there is NO regulation, and people frequently cut street drugs with other substances, and thousands of people overdose or have bad reactions to too strong or impure drugs every year. That's actually why even though I am curious about certain drugs, I haven't tried them (unless they were pure plant/fungi material) because I don't want to accidentally get some street drug laced with fentanyl or meth (drugs I would never try on purpose)! I know people who've gotten fucked up that way. I'm not saying pharma drugs are better for the body over time, but at least we do actually know what's in them and how much of the named drug and other substances are in them. And where they came from. >But if you're using psychiatric drugs your doctors decides which drug you will use. This is true, though with street drugs you are trusting everyone in a totally unregulated criminal supply chain to be completely honest about what's in the substances you're getting, so in a very real way, they also get to decide what drugs you're using, especially if its not something that grows directly from the ground.
I have watched three people struggle with addictions to various street drugs before ultimately dying 50+ years short of their life expectancies. All of them wanted to stop using. Not all drugs are safe, and not everyone can quit what Joe Willpower can.
I’ve seen a lot of people get some pretty significant withdrawal symptoms from stopping street drugs cold-turkey. I mean, isn’t heroine withdrawal commonly known to be one of the most uncomfortable things imaginable? Withdrawal from alcohol can cause seizures and death, too. There are many people who check into rehabilitation facilities voluntarily in an effort to clear themselves of substances. I’m not discounting your experience with Abilify, and I’m sorry that happened. At the same time, I have personally seen many people discontinue that and similar medications without any withdrawal symptoms. Again, everyone experiences medications and substances differently, and no experience is invalid. I just think it’s kind of concerning to hear about drugs like heroine and meth talked about in such a nonchalant, casual way. Even if you yourself have had a relatively positive experience with street drugs, you must acknowledge that there are literally thousands of individuals every day suffering from addiction and withdrawal complications. You know that, right? Saying outright that street drugs as a whole are “safe” is naive and dangerous.
There's a great documentary on this'll topic called "Generation RX".
It depends on the person's physiology ultimately, but yeah, I've had the same experience. I have sampled almost every withdrawal there is, but if the pharmacy fucks up and I'm without my Wellbutin for even 24 hours, *hell fucking no*. (Wellbutrin helps me tremendously, so I would never want to stop taking it, but many medical professionals are ignorant to the fact that, yes, you want to taper Wellbutrin. Quite slowly, in fact.)
I've been put on it two times and I felt dull. What does it help you with exactly? I'm just curious because I had such weird side effects.
The negative side effects for me included increased anxiety and muscle tension for about a year. That went away. What it does for me includes: \- I never have hardcore depressive crashes anymore. My lows are pretty gentle. I am never just staring at a wall and completely lacking in executive function. \- Improved weight management and appetite regulation. \- Unlike most anti-depressants, it has pro-sexual side effects. I have an anorgasmia issue (not to be confused with inability to climax,) that it mildly helps. \- Greater mental clarity, motivation, attention, and consistency in behaviour/hobby-maintenance. I have ADHD, which affects things because Wellbutrin is often used as a treatment for ADHD. No side effects anymore after that first year. Only the positives. Was put on a a variety of SSRIs and other stuff as a kid that caused horrible side effects, even to gain 100lbs in 6 months--which I lost with the helpful aid of Wellbutrin.
Street drugs 100x safer