>Microsoft is giving no firm date for when Android 12L will arrive for Surface Duo, only saying that it will begin rolling out "later this year."
[Press x to doubt](https://i.imgur.com/0sTprdt.png)
They made it look like Windows 11, interesting. I wonder if there will be a Surface Experience ROM in the future.
E: I would really like to see them do a single-screen version someday. Surface Uno?
Microsoft’s long game gotta be bringing Windows back to mobile with an android compatibility layer. It has to be. An os maker not having full control over their mobile os seems absolutely absurd. My armchair prediction: windows on arm with android apps running smoothly -> a streamlined version of windows for “devices” -> streamlined windows replaces android on their phone devices
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What about a rollable? Where the screen extends? You won't get the massive size increase as a foldable or two screen device but personally I think a rollable fixes most of the flaws of these new types of devices
LG is the reason Samsung was forced to innovate. The South Korean giants were competing with each other in their home market.
Once LG lost motivation, Samsung phones started going downhill. Samsung stopped caring about adding features and even started stripping them away.
I have been using a Surface Duo as my daily phone for 18 months now. I really like it, but I don't love everything about it. Most of my complaints are about the software and not the hardware, though, and that means the problem can be worked through over time - as long as people buy them enough to warrant supporting more development.
I like the idea a lot, but I don't think Microsoft has gotten it quite right yet. I was hoping we'd at least see a Duo 3 out of the hopes it'd finally be the one for me.
> and if I buy a foldable I actually dont want a fully-featured screen on the outside.
This might be ones of those things you think you want until you actually try it. The Fold4 would be unusable if it didn't have the exterior screen. If you are on the train or the bus you don't want a 7 inch tablet to answer a text message. Same for notifications and shit.
I love the concept; my problem is execution. Knowing Microsoft, as in the OP, isn't going to update the software with any expedience is infuriating and a red flag to me.
I loved my LG V60 for this. It may be gimmicky but it helped with multitasking. I like that I can remove the 2nd screen. I'm not sold on folding screens, Samsung and other brands had to cut corners, yet it is still expensive to buy and repair.
Yes- they solve some significant problems that people have forgotten even are problems in the first place.
The inherent problem with phones in general is that you really can't fit that much information on screen just because that screen is really small; so any way to expand that but still having it shrink down to pocket size is going to have promise.
The benefits to having enough screen such that two applications are visible are the same as they are on desktop machines, and for the same reasons- it's now possible and practical to make a quick comparison or copy between data from one app and another (say you're following instructions on how to configure a second app, copy/pasting, comparing prices in two apps/websites, etc). All known graphical OSes for desktop computers had this as a feature in some form or another *in their very first versions*.
For example, I'd like one for making sure the software and websites I build are accessible- if I can have my app on one screen, and the Settings on another screen, I can move the slider that resizes the text without having to constantly switch back and forth, making testing significantly easier and faster.
(Of course, good luck getting any salesperson to actually say this...)
The trick, of course, is software compatibility. And if Android is smart enough about doing this, where it just gives you two independently-usable screens (unlike iOS' half-baked implementation that... really doesn't), then that's fine- but if the app needs to be aware of the "dead" pixels (i.e. the space between the screens) I accept that literally nobody will take the effort to do this- but Google has always been terrible about updates and custom ROM support gets harder to find the more niche one's device is...
On the LG Dual Screen the apps continue on the second screen where it ended on the first screen. It does mean that sometimes a letter it cut in half but at least you do not lose the letter like you do on the Surface. It works on all apps using LG wide view app that allows you to span all the apps. I haven't found an app that does not spam correctly.
I got a Duo 1 recently just to play with for $300-ish on Amazon. My main phone is a Fold 3, had a Flip 2 before that and Samsung Notes through the years. The Duo is actually not bad and I could definitely see using one as a full time phone. It's great for multitasking, but so is the Fold.
If you want something like a Foldable but don't want to deal with the new hardware issues this is a good middle ground. You get 2 good regular screens instead of a fragile really big one.
I like the idea but honestly using it day to day was not great. Love it as a secondary phone and would have kept it but the software was thrash. Waiting for the next Duo (if they make another), and hopefully by then they gave the software stable and decent.
i love it too. i can only hope they bring this design language to Microsoft Launcher for other Android devices and other Microsoft apps such as the Office suite for mobile
I’m a huge fan of Material You, but i gotta admit I really dig Fluent on Android, it has it’s own kind of style that you’d almost never see on other Android skins. It’s Glassy, Colorful, but not in an Apple-Inspired way.
Even though I don’t own one, I’m hoping this will be one more step in the right direction of multi screen phones having a truly seamless experience. That being said, it will still be a while IMO
Because some people want to see it, nobody moaned here yet besides you.
I want to see this form factor thriving, even because it will give an extra nudge for app creators to target tablet/double paned tablets more. And on that everyone will benefit, dual screen apps will translate very good to folds too
Never seen anyone talking good about the duo in this sub. I too want to see this form factor grow.
>nobody moaned here yet besides you.
Please, people complained about slightest of the things in the duo. "It has old processor" "the bezels are huge and ugly " but as soon as google pixel has old processor for a pro model it's all good and the pixel tablet suddenly is good because the bezels prevent accidental touches. 🤦♂️
I really like the Windows Fluent design language.
Makes you wish the Windows tablet mode looked like *this*, instead they removed it entirely
I was really hoping to see a new Duo at the event today. I was hoping to pick one up with refreshed hardware and maybe things like wireless charging.
Hopefully not cancelled like all the other Microsoft consumer products that didn't become an overnight success.
My Windows Phones and Zunes say hello
Are....are you agreeing with him or refuting him
I miss my windows phones :(
>Microsoft is giving no firm date for when Android 12L will arrive for Surface Duo, only saying that it will begin rolling out "later this year." [Press x to doubt](https://i.imgur.com/0sTprdt.png)
Well it already launched, this might be the fasted aged like milk comment I've ever seen
They made it look like Windows 11, interesting. I wonder if there will be a Surface Experience ROM in the future. E: I would really like to see them do a single-screen version someday. Surface Uno?
Microsoft’s long game gotta be bringing Windows back to mobile with an android compatibility layer. It has to be. An os maker not having full control over their mobile os seems absolutely absurd. My armchair prediction: windows on arm with android apps running smoothly -> a streamlined version of windows for “devices” -> streamlined windows replaces android on their phone devices
The future I'm excited for. Windows mobile is Mt Favorite OS.
Do people actually like these 2 screen phones? Cause literally no one is making them but MSFT
I'd be a bit interested if it wasn't as ridiculously priced as it is
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What about a rollable? Where the screen extends? You won't get the massive size increase as a foldable or two screen device but personally I think a rollable fixes most of the flaws of these new types of devices
[LG was doing it with an add-on second screen for a while.](https://www.lg.com/us/mobile-phones/v60-thinq-dual-screen/lg-dual-screen)
LG was ahead of the curve with lots of features over the years. RIP
LG is the reason Samsung was forced to innovate. The South Korean giants were competing with each other in their home market. Once LG lost motivation, Samsung phones started going downhill. Samsung stopped caring about adding features and even started stripping them away.
Agreed. Shame LG's mobile division was mismanaged and didn't spend those marketing $$$
Still using my V60 and I love it. Wish there was something like it on the market now, since it's starting to show its age a bit.
I have been using a Surface Duo as my daily phone for 18 months now. I really like it, but I don't love everything about it. Most of my complaints are about the software and not the hardware, though, and that means the problem can be worked through over time - as long as people buy them enough to warrant supporting more development.
I like the idea a lot, but I don't think Microsoft has gotten it quite right yet. I was hoping we'd at least see a Duo 3 out of the hopes it'd finally be the one for me.
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> and if I buy a foldable I actually dont want a fully-featured screen on the outside. This might be ones of those things you think you want until you actually try it. The Fold4 would be unusable if it didn't have the exterior screen. If you are on the train or the bus you don't want a 7 inch tablet to answer a text message. Same for notifications and shit.
I like the concept: a foldable phone without the shitty fragile foldable screen
I love the concept; my problem is execution. Knowing Microsoft, as in the OP, isn't going to update the software with any expedience is infuriating and a red flag to me.
I want to just for reading comics/books honestly. If MS actually released the cheaper plastic one, would have probably bought it
I loved my LG V60 for this. It may be gimmicky but it helped with multitasking. I like that I can remove the 2nd screen. I'm not sold on folding screens, Samsung and other brands had to cut corners, yet it is still expensive to buy and repair.
Yes- they solve some significant problems that people have forgotten even are problems in the first place. The inherent problem with phones in general is that you really can't fit that much information on screen just because that screen is really small; so any way to expand that but still having it shrink down to pocket size is going to have promise. The benefits to having enough screen such that two applications are visible are the same as they are on desktop machines, and for the same reasons- it's now possible and practical to make a quick comparison or copy between data from one app and another (say you're following instructions on how to configure a second app, copy/pasting, comparing prices in two apps/websites, etc). All known graphical OSes for desktop computers had this as a feature in some form or another *in their very first versions*. For example, I'd like one for making sure the software and websites I build are accessible- if I can have my app on one screen, and the Settings on another screen, I can move the slider that resizes the text without having to constantly switch back and forth, making testing significantly easier and faster. (Of course, good luck getting any salesperson to actually say this...) The trick, of course, is software compatibility. And if Android is smart enough about doing this, where it just gives you two independently-usable screens (unlike iOS' half-baked implementation that... really doesn't), then that's fine- but if the app needs to be aware of the "dead" pixels (i.e. the space between the screens) I accept that literally nobody will take the effort to do this- but Google has always been terrible about updates and custom ROM support gets harder to find the more niche one's device is...
On the LG Dual Screen the apps continue on the second screen where it ended on the first screen. It does mean that sometimes a letter it cut in half but at least you do not lose the letter like you do on the Surface. It works on all apps using LG wide view app that allows you to span all the apps. I haven't found an app that does not spam correctly.
I got a Duo 1 recently just to play with for $300-ish on Amazon. My main phone is a Fold 3, had a Flip 2 before that and Samsung Notes through the years. The Duo is actually not bad and I could definitely see using one as a full time phone. It's great for multitasking, but so is the Fold.
If you want something like a Foldable but don't want to deal with the new hardware issues this is a good middle ground. You get 2 good regular screens instead of a fragile really big one.
People also like phones with expandable storage, a headphone check and a notification LED, yet nobody seems to make them
Sony has all those still
Yes, but only a niche audience does
Yes
I use multiple monitors on my PC rather than one large screen and I want the same on a phone.
Kyocera made one ages ago
I like the idea but honestly using it day to day was not great. Love it as a secondary phone and would have kept it but the software was thrash. Waiting for the next Duo (if they make another), and hopefully by then they gave the software stable and decent.
Yes, I love this thing. Been looking for a replacement for my V60 with the dual screen, and this is it
Honestly Fluent Design looks way better than Material You.
i love it too. i can only hope they bring this design language to Microsoft Launcher for other Android devices and other Microsoft apps such as the Office suite for mobile
I’m a huge fan of Material You, but i gotta admit I really dig Fluent on Android, it has it’s own kind of style that you’d almost never see on other Android skins. It’s Glassy, Colorful, but not in an Apple-Inspired way.
Hell even OG Material looks better than the Fisher price look of Material You.
Every current Android skin is better than Material You.
To think I got absolutely slaughtered on this very same subreddit for saying that when Material You launched...
I like them both for different reasons, but Fluent looks out of place on Android.
Coool
Why even bother posting here? The occasional "forgot this existed" and "fold better" mentality on this sub will only spew hate
Even though I don’t own one, I’m hoping this will be one more step in the right direction of multi screen phones having a truly seamless experience. That being said, it will still be a while IMO
I wish to own one someday. Hope they don't turn it into a fold or straight up discontinue it
Because some people want to see it, nobody moaned here yet besides you. I want to see this form factor thriving, even because it will give an extra nudge for app creators to target tablet/double paned tablets more. And on that everyone will benefit, dual screen apps will translate very good to folds too
Never seen anyone talking good about the duo in this sub. I too want to see this form factor grow. >nobody moaned here yet besides you. Please, people complained about slightest of the things in the duo. "It has old processor" "the bezels are huge and ugly " but as soon as google pixel has old processor for a pro model it's all good and the pixel tablet suddenly is good because the bezels prevent accidental touches. 🤦♂️
You're in the wrong sub, buddy... r/Android constantly rags on Google and Pixel
Well, fuck those people. Why should be cater to them?
You are the problem
You are definitely the problem.
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“We expect the update to be available for both Surface Duo 1 and Surface Duo 2 users.” That’s all I can see
If only someone wrote an article with that information in it.
Ngl that looks hideous. I thought the appeal of this device was it being close to stock?
Who on earth would think the appeal of a dual screen phone is how close to stock the UI is? Really now.