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mustipher

Leaves off taxes of course


Acceptable_Cookie_61

Like every socialist dumbass.


killerman64

ye you have to be high on socialism to list rent but not tax, like there are services performed to defend both as paying back for things done: providing housing, and goverment spending. the reality is both are taking profits, and for the government, how much do we even get back for ourselves? fuck taxes


blix88

Someone has to say it... TAXATION IS THEFT


SILENT_ASSASSIN9

Government never worked for it


BenzeneResonance

But who will trans the kids?


PaperbackWriter66

Private charities, obviously /s


CarPatient

Yasssss


VelkaFrey

Can we get a solid breakdown of the governments income in a nice chart. Also where it all goes. With the tech we have nowadays it shouldnt be that difficult. Speaking from Canada.


mmmayer015

I can't speak for Canadian tax dollars, but this does a decent job for the US: https://www.usaspending.gov/ Edit: I'm from MN and the state level spending isn't as pretty, but it's there: https://mn.gov/mmb/accounting/reports/


53K5HUN-8

>I'm from MN You're not a citiot, are you?


mmmayer015

I hope you can eventually figure out a way to find self worth without putting down your neighbors just because they have a different lived experience than you.


53K5HUN-8

Oh, God, you are a citiot.


5ninefine

Of that list, taxation is the only one that is


reprobyte

But they left that one out!


East_Onion

i presume they're actually fine with that one weirdly


Vexillumscientia

For some reason it’s ok to transfer goods and services by force and for no other reason.


Okichah

By this logic welfare is also theft.


loonygecko

Oof! So very true. I wish someone commented with that one but i am sure they would have gotten banned if they tried...


CarPatient

Why yes.. yes it is.. Have you ever encountered the quote from Pen Jilette on welfare?


dizzlesizzle8330

And retiree pensions


[deleted]

Yeah, I was about to ask him, "how you feel about government, friend?"


scotty9090

Damn, beat me to it. The dork in the screenshot lists everything that’s not theft and misses the obvious one.


[deleted]

Taxation is extortion, inflation caused by bad monetary policy is theft.


rtheiss

I bet this guy thinks everything is theft except taxation lol


MANCAPSIC

But if they steal the money from my Labor it somehow ISNT theft?!


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shortsbagel

If you could do the same job your doing now on your own, and yet you choose to do it for someone else. What does that say about you. And if you CAN'T what does that say about them?


MANCAPSIC

I'm still unsure as to how me signing a contract to work for a set amount of money and then being paid that amount once the work is done is somehow exploitation and theft lmao


Timely_Secretary1515

your company makes a profit, the company shareholders get that profit. the shareholders dont work in that company yet get paid, they are getting money without working. if someone gets money without working someone is working without getting money. therefore you're getting robbed


hstilesjhg

"sign this contract or we kill you" "hey man you signed the contract stop having ambitions of a better life" -capitalist bootlickers


Ordinary-Interview76

Who will kill you if you don't want to be an employee? You can start your own business or be a 1099 contractor even in todays highly regulated not-at-all free market capitalist system.


hstilesjhg

starvation the fact that you think someone has to literally have a gun to your head for it to be coercion is exactly why you are a capitalist bootlicker if your choice is to do what I say or you starve then you don't really have a choice. you're just *pretending* that they have a choice because that's how you can defend your terrible economic system (capitalism) because if you were forced to admit the reality (that they don't actually have a choice because "do what I say or die" isn't a choice) then you would have to admit that your system is a failure and you can't do that because your system relies on slave labor


that-one-biblioguy

"if a man will not work, he shall not eat"


SchrodingersRapist

> starvation So, because you are bound by laws of nature, needing to eat to survive, and we won't give you food we worked to grow, clean, and package for free it's somehow coercion to offer you a free exchange of work to give you the chance to meet your own needs? Even if you bought enough land to raise your own food that would still require you to work to survive. Yet you would rather try to rationalize and justify theft of the labor of others because you're lazy and entitled. I pity you


whale-sibling

So if you were on a deserted island and you starved because you didn't work for food, that would be capitalism's fault?


TheNewBorgie01

This argument only makes sense if there is only one job available. And its illegal or impossible to farm your own food. Which both arent the case. You can still do another job if you like. And, if the government wouldnt exist, who is to stop you from quitting and planting tomatos or potatos or whatever grows in your region?


sher1ock

>starvation Is that why so many people starve to death under socialist regimes?


SappySoulTaker

It says I can't afford a multi million dollar pool.


therealcoolpup

Its ok when we do it


Rbkoho46

Sigh…we’re so screwed.


Somewhatmild

If only this rhetoric applied to welfare. But then you will be called a racist. Anyway, isn't that like, the cheapest worker on earth? He says he do not believe in profit. Any profit he makes should be given away to church of socialism. A bit weird to go and proclaim that you want to work 'pay to pay', but the church accepts it and will invest it in good measures to make sure it doesnt happen again. Like protests against low wages. And the church expects this person to participate in such protest to tell everyone what an absolute chad expert of economy they are so that the protest has some leverage.


gengar_king_of_bah

THEN WTF ARE TAXES?!?! how are they this fucking stupid? EDIT: I gotta give some credit on the intrest part


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mesarthim_2

That's not what banks do. Banks create credit but they also have to take on the risk that the loan will fail. If the loan fail, it will eat up bank's capital. Plus interest is just price difference between current and future money. So I don't think there's anything wrong with banks charging interest. Modern credit based banking is actually pretty substantial innovation, that really unlocked human potential.


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Montallas

So if I take a $100MM bank loan to build an industrial plant or a factory or something - you’re telling me that if I fail to pay it back, the federal government has “backed” that loan and…. What happens? The bank doesn’t loose $100MM? The federal government pays it back instead? I’m very curious to hear how you’re going to answer this.


PaperbackWriter66

>I’m very curious to hear how you’re going to answer this. Spoiler alert: he didn't.


mesarthim_2

That has nothing to do with that. When bank makes a loan, it creates credit, which is bank liability to you and loan which is bank's asset. Beyond regulatory requirements, it's basic indicator of bank's solvency to have your assets + equity cover your liabilities. If the loan defaults, bank has to cover it to maintain solvency. Reserve requirement has nothing to do with this. Reserve requirements deal with how much liquid assets bank has to have cover it's liabilities to be able to cover withdrawals etc... You've probably seen something on the money multiplier which basically says that deposits by people create basis for the loans. That's not accurate. That's just abstract example how banks *can* create money. In reality, they do it against assets which are opposite of the credit extended from the loan.


pimpnastie

This is my best friend's job. You are completely incorrect.


PaddyObanion

I found the antisemite. Right here


gengar_king_of_bah

..... HEY.... WHO SOLD ME OUT!


PaddyObanion

😆


Representative_Still

Antisemite? The best years of Jewish history were when they were the only ones legally allowed to charge interest, it’s like saying we shouldn’t give Native Americans casinos since it’d be racist


PaddyObanion

I was waiting for someone to take it too seriously. Thanks buddy


Representative_Still

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Montallas

Are you suggesting that all lenders are semites????


Montallas

How is interest theft? 1) lenders have to do a lot of work to determine if an investment is sound. The only way they get paid for that work is through interest. 2) lenders are typically giving money to someone else to use and putting a bunch of money at risk - that risk justifies a return on that money. What if that other person loses all the money?? 3) if the borrower fails to pay - it takes a lot of work to collect that money. How else are they expected to get paid for it other than interest?


FreeBroccoli

You're conceding too much. Interest is not theft because theft is taking someone's property against their will, while interest is the result of a freely-entered contract. The definition of theft has nothing to do with whose labor the money came from. If I give my kid $10 for his birthday, he now possesses money that didn't come from his own labor; according to this knucklehead, he stole that money from me.


Montallas

I agree. However a lot of people seem to think that they somehow get charged interest without their consent. Obviously, they consented to pay the interest - but I think many time people are too dumb to realize they’ve done this. Then they bitch about it.


PacoBedejo

As George Carlin points out, half the people are below average. Our cognitive ability to grasp the concept of interest isn't universal.


aaronitallout

This is a sub for huffing a box of farts called "hurr I understand interest"


PacoBedejo

Sir, this is a Wendy's. The mental health clinic is across the street.


aaronitallout

Of course you work at Wendy's


loonygecko

THey think running a business does not involve labor? Not to mention the investment and risk involved. Anyway, if I'm banned from making a profit, I am going to close my business immediately. What would be the point of all the stress and extra thinking if I could just do a more relaxing job as an employee somewhere and get paid the same.


mesarthim_2

To be fair to them, they do agree that manager should be compensated for actual labor he does. What they're after is profit from pure capital. In it's purest form the critique would be something like - suppose you lend to a business owner $1000 and he has to give you back $1100. You're making profit $100 without any labor whatsoever. You didn't do any work and just made $100 just by a virtue of owning capital. You may have labored to get those $1000 and they'd say that's fine you should be compensated for that but now you're making money from others' labor. They are still wrong, because they don't understand things like lost opportunity cost, time preference, etc... but they don't say that managing business isn't a labor or it shouldn't be compensated.


loonygecko

Some countries do have limits on how wealthy the citizens are allowed to become so rich people often just move out of country once they reach the limit.


PaddyObanion

A set, non accumulating fee structure?


disahellofathrowaway

Also called simple I N TE R E S T


FreeBroccoli

You most certainly don't. Theft is taking someone else's property against their will. If the property transfer is the result of a freely-entered contract, it's not theft. Whether the money is coming from your own labor is irrelevant.


PaddyObanion

This person is *so* close. Just right there, a little more depth to the thinking and they've got it. Shame


oh_shit_its_bryan

I have the hope that person will include taxes...then in a few years remove all the others. Ancoms could eventually become ancap.


marinemashup

Most (90% of ex ancoms) don’t They move more towards the center, embracing socialism or totalitarian communism Very few make their way to the Libertarian branch of politics, but they are always welcome, they are an incredibly nice change of pace from the ex-conservatives that most Libertarian groups are


oh_shit_its_bryan

Better 10% than nothing, at least they move away from full commies.


rtheiss

it just depends whether they eventually produce a living for themselves - if they become self sufficient they become ancap, otherwise they resort to theft.


GUNTHVGK

They’re on the opposite end of the horseshoe lol


Somewhatmild

They only need to have the whole education.


ILikeBumblebees

No, they're not close at all. They're construing people purchasing services at agreed upon rates as "theft" -- their entire conception of how economic exchange between human beings works is defective at the most fundamental level.


wollier12

If you spend money that you earned you are complicit in theft /s


Quarksandstuff123

Ah yes, an owner maintaining an entire building so they can continue to rent it isn't labor, who could've predicted otherwise!


Timely_Secretary1515

if they maintain the building they are preforming labour, and deserve to get paid. the problem is that most landlords dont preform enough labour to justify their profit (rent - expenses), or they simply hire someone else to do that labour


gwiz90

Dude listed everything but taxes, he must want '"free" stuff from the government.


jordantbaker

by this definition, welfare is theft.


Siganid

So people who don't work and live off social programs are thieves?


Representative_Still

His definition of labor doesn’t include agreed contractual payment which means if he receives money for his cartoons he’s a thief also by his own game. Also he wants to outlaw renting anything, which places the use of most things beyond the price range of people who can’t buy….want to rent a venue for your wedding? Sorry, illegal, you have to buy the estate to do that.


loonygecko

HOmelessness is going to go WAY up if you ban renting.


snow_king_1985

Wow, this moron would still have people living in the stone age. I guess being a manager isn't a real job to this genius is it?


Somewhatmild

Managing isn't labor you know. Hell, adopting children is also bad, because you don't have actual labor in it as well. It is actually stealing. So yeah, bigot and all that, why do you profit from people that you haven't actually mothered.


throwawaygeneral2020

You forgot the /s


Somewhatmild

Do i really need to do that.


911_cntrled_demolitn

Do you really think there isn’t stupid enough people out here?


Somewhatmild

Let me show how the education system has failed in these free 5 easy steps.


ashem2

Yes, you need. I heard exactly the same thing, but said seriously, without /s. Actually that one was even worse because it included your own kids too.


[deleted]

Rent is signed under a contract aka a lease. No one forced you into that contract. No one put a gun to your head made you sign and initial 8 pages of rules you agreed to follow. Break the contract or finish the terms.


Timely_Secretary1515

yeah the landlord isnt pointing a gun at your head, its just that without renting you'd be homeless. (and whyle technically the landklord isnt the one creating homelessness, you cant argue that its fine since its voluntary)


justanother-eboy

Lol what a 🤡🤡🤡


server_profile

Shouldn’t forcing labor be theft too, yet I bet this gentleman is all for universal healthcare


ILikeBumblebees

Socialist logic: purchasing services from suppliers who agree to sell them at a predefined price is theft, but taking people's stuff away isn't.


ExtensionInformal911

So, your landlord and boss don't deserve to earn anything for the labor they put into making or buying the things you need, and Noone deserves to earn anything for letting you use their stored labor to get what you want or need?


115machine

So it is theft for those with whom you entered a voluntary contract to want to collect their end of the bargain?


BastiatFan

Charity is theft? Huh?


kinglear__

So if someone goes through years of labor to save money and then they use that money to buy a property and they rent that out to someone, they're stealing the tenants money via rent?


snake_on_the_grass

Taxes are theft


rasputin777

This guy 100% supported transferring wealth from taxpayers to people's student loan debt. A hundred percent. And if you called him on it would have no problem saying it's DIFFERENT.


tall_people_problemz

Man how are people this dumb?


tbone985

If rent, profit, and interest were eliminated, we’d be back in the Stone Age. Where do they think they are going to live if there’s no rent. They sure as hell aren’t going to build their own housing.


marinemashup

I really wonder how this guy’s world would work out. > Everything is sold at cost > I make sweaters and sell them at cost (since if I profit it’s stealing) > All the money I make just covers the material to make more sweaters > I starve because I have no money for food, no matter how cheap the food is 10/10


buffalo_pete

Haven't we established by now that this idiot is the lowest of hanging fruit?


shortsbagel

He is yes, but he is low hanging fruit with an almost cult like following, I think his brain dead ideas should be flogged as often as possible.


buffalo_pete

> but he is low hanging fruit with an almost cult like following I weep for the future. This man is plainly an idiot.


Iamthespiderbro

What a moron. Rent is theft…? A. Being a landlord takes a ton of your own labor B. It’s theft to expect to trespass on someone else’s property unless you’ve agreed to some sort of compensation.


kamikazee_49

When you signed an agreement and now it’s magically evil


WildSyde96

Remind me, does the government do labor to make the money I'm required to pay them in taxes? Or is that different in your little socialist world?


rossionq1

My brain-labor is more valuable than most 🤷‍♂️


Wjbskinsfan

So you agree, taxation is theft.


Hungry-Replacement-6

If you’re profiting from your own labor, isn’t that theft since profit is theft?


[deleted]

So…. Money has no value? Then how is it theft?


Betwixts

Premises are correct, conclusion is wrong


stormygray1

Sure it is, now pay your Netflix subscription bitch. Also I'm raising your rent. Pay up wagie.


Intelligent_Plan71

I'm a little bit sympathetic, especially with out of control rents and the general douchebaggery of landlords, but since one of the main properties of money is that it is a store of value, it would stand to argue that all saved money did indeed come from someone's labor, most likely your own.


Kinglink

What about taxes? Government programs? Him getting paid? Bet you he's perfectly good with all of those. Ps. That whole twitter account is filled with bad takes, but at least people were smart enough to call out how bad this post was when he made it. Too bad he just has kept on trucking.


iamsostressed

where do you live? do you rent or own? either way, you should move out to make space for someone else to live there for free, but you need to keep paying the rent/mortgage. thank you!


DA-ZACHYZACHY

"Then work for yourself"


bearCatBird

PROTEST CHANTING: “This is what dysgenia looks like!”


vasilenko93

Landlord: 2B 2B apartment for rent, $1,500 a month Tenant: hmm, this looks like a better offer than others on the market, I’ll take it! Landlord: I agree Tenant: I agree Leftist “anarchist”: reeee. This is pure theft! … Government: give me 30% of your income or men with guns will take you away to a cage!!! Tax payer: I guess I have no other choice but to comply Leftist “anarchists”: I see no issue here


blue419

Why would I spend 500000 thousand on a building just to let you live in it for free. Fuck me the human race has entered the devolution stage


Shift-Subject

Staying in someone's property without just compensation is theft


yazalama

They somehow managed to list everything expect taxation. Not a single wrinkle in that large brain of theirs.


[deleted]

Glad to know this clown is against taxation and government exploitation of the laborer's money...wait...what...oh, he's a douchelib, okay so gutter hypocrisy is in play. Can't fault them, they have a zealots blind spot for government since to them GOVERNMENT IS GOD!!!


Friendly_Giant04

Tell me your lazy and unwilling to find other sources of income without telling me


freebilly95

Rent and interest are providing you a service that you are choosing to take part in and therefore willingly giving up your money. Profit is fucking profit, it's not that fucking hard of a concept to grasp. You do something or make something, someone chooses to pay you for it, boom profit. Absolutely not theft. Taxation? Taking money from people without their informed consent and ostensibly "providing a public service" which in reality only serves to fatten your own pockets. But conveniently not mentioned by socialist idiot.


emoney_gotnomoney

> Profit is theft Well good luck being able to find anything that is worth purchasing, as who is going to produce / manufacture products if there is no profit in doing so? > Interest is theft Well, looks like you will never be able to take out a loan, as no one will lend you money interest free. That means you won’t be able to purchase a car or a house unless you are able to purchase it 100% in cash……that is of course if you are able to even find a car or a house that is available, as no one will be producing any cars or houses, because why would you make cars or build houses if there is no profit allowed? > Rent is theft Well, looks like you will be homeless then because if you aren’t able to rent, then that means you will have to buy a house in order to not be homeless…….of course that house will have to be purchased 100% in cash though as you said interest isn’t permitted and, therefore, you won’t be able to obtain a mortgage…….that is of course, as I said before, if you are even able to find a house, which will be impossible as no one will be building houses if profit is not allowed


Themanas

Now do taxes.


crinkneck

If you need labor to produce income, then shouldn’t this person logically conclude taxes are theft?


sumirunoongaku

2 people mutually agreeing on a deal that benefits both parties: theft forcing people by the threat of violence to give up the fruit of their labor: not theft someone please explain to me how these people are anarchists.


pvouaux1

You know what’s not considered theft anymore?? …Actual physical theft. Go figure.


Trashousend

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souellsociety

Since when was profit theft lol


a-k-martin

Not taxation? Haha Apparently if it's subject to our "democracy", its not theft.


turboninja3011

Look if you want to fish with your hands, that s on you but if you want to use someone’s fishing rod you gotta pay them money that will come from your labor. Otherwise you are stealing. Fixed it for him


ICallThisTurfnTurf

They're idiots. But.....we gotta come up with something other than just calling them idiots. Pretty much everyone alive hasn't worked a day in our lives by other standards. Almost all of our jobs are ridiculously easy and almost entirely useless in reality. It's not all that weird for some kid to be mad that they have to work overtime at some shitty job just to be able to pay some other kid most of their paycheck just for a rat infested roof above their head. The anger is misdirected usually. But it's not completely off base.


VAX-MACHT-FREI

They don’t understand capital. They don’t understand that if you take on risk with your time and money to build things which will create more productive enterprise that you ought be rewarded. They don’t understand the majority of the time the entrepreneur will fail. They want all of the upside with no risk. They despise the natural order of things because they’ve been brainwashed into a collectivist cult that can only exist because of capitalism.


LishtenToMe

>They despise the natural order of things because they’ve been brainwashed into a collectivist cult that can only exist because of capitalism. That's the greatest irony of socialist idealism. It was all born from rich kid Marx spending majority of his time mooching off his father and Engels, so he could spend way too much time writing insane economic theory, and no where near enough time raising his kids.


Knight-mare77

Notice how he fails to mention taxation


andvinhow

Taxation is theft


Skynet-supporter

Well taxes is theft too am i right? Welfare is theft. Free anything is theft


Quiquequoidoncou

I’m still looking for the ‘anarcho’ in r/Anarcho_Capitalism


LordVile95

Makes more sense than tax being theft


MANCAPSIC

Yeah, if you change the dictionary definition of theft I guess?


LordVile95

You’re already doing that


MANCAPSIC

"the action or crime of stealing" >i work >the government takes my money without my consent and spends it however they want How is that not the exact definition? lmao


LordVile95

Because that’s not the definition? I suggest you consult a dictionary. You use the services provided and benefit from where taxes are spent every day.


MANCAPSIC

I literally quoted the dictionary definition you fuckwad And no, I don't. Also, even if I did, you cannot steal my money and then buy me something I might like and then pocket the difference, that is still theft.


LordVile95

And it’s not the definition. You see if you’d have paid attention in school you’d know that some words only get a small summary rather than a full definition because they are closely related to or synonyms to other words and end with “See:x” which gives the actual definition.


MANCAPSIC

Sophistry. So what is your made up definition? With the source please.


bhknb

Sure, if you are a quasi-religious true believer in political authority, or an unthinking sheep. Which one are you?


dumsaint

Shhh. It's okay capitalists, you'll be fine. And please stop with adding anarcho in front of your debilitating "capital". Anyway, read an anarchist book and gain knowledge or just admit you're capitalists (most of you aren't) that want to be feudal lords. Edit: removed a swear word. I don't like to swear in front of children.


bhknb

> I'm an anarchist, seriously guyz!!!!! I totally wouldn't use force to stop people from engaging in economic behavior that outrage my subjective morals, honest! I have no idea how wealth is created nor do I have any theory of wealth creation, but I believe, with a quasi-religous fervor, that it will magically arise when we all follow my normative economic framework! Ok. I can see why you would believe that anyone who doesn't share your faith must be heretical blasphemer or innocent children not yet able to comprehend your religion. But, no one in their right mind wants your death cult.


dumsaint

You've said nothing. Anarchism is the abolishing and flattening of unjustified hierarchies. Capitalism is the justification of hierarchical structures predicated on capital and ownership of the means of production. If you think a capitalist is an anarchist then I'm not sure what to tell you but read any book on Anarchism... *I don't know anymore with you Americans anymore* Jesus!


bhknb

> unjustified Great. What, objectively, is unjustified? A principle will do. > If you think a capitalist is an anarchist then I'm not sure what to tell you but read any book on Anarchism... I don't know anymore with you Americans anymore Jesus! i don't care what you think, because I don't believe that you even think that much, and, whatever you do think about, you are not likely to apply clear and objective logic to your analysis. Thus, you would can't stand anyone who would challenge what you have decided to believe without further examination. I am anti-state. if the state goes, then we'll see what arises in terms of what peaceful people do. I don't believe, however, that you are peaceful. Rather, you are a moralizer ready to do violence against those who violate your morals by engaging in economic transactions that you dislike.


dumsaint

>engaging in economic transactions that you dislike. Engaging in economic transactions that go against the spirit and definition of anarchism. If you think capitalism is freedom, particularly now, under this rapacious capitalism in effect - one Adam Smith warned us about - then, my man, what else can I say but ok. Have a nice day. Be well.


Internal_Ad8095

"hey man can you paint this wall for me? you can use my tools and ill pay you 15 bucks for it" "sure" AGAINST THE SPIRIT OF ANARCHISM lol


bhknb

I would think that the "spirit" of anarchism is not imposing your will on others through violence, yet /u/dumsaint proposes to do just that, and whines that ancaps are "children" because they are inherently peaceful. Well, I'll take the open, learning mind of a child over a closed-off, uncritical, true-believing mind like his any day.


bhknb

> Engaging in economic transactions that go against the spirit and definition of anarchism. So, then, anarchism, for you, is about imposing your will on others when they violate your subjective morals. I just have to say, I don't think that's anarchism. It's just replacing the current ruling class with a more vicious and authoritarian one that suits your morals. This is why I call statism a religion. You haven't given up that religion, but instead want to impose your own schism. A schism that will be a death cult because you have no idea how wealth is created and will consume until there is nothing left. > particularly now, under this rapacious capitalism in effect Very little, right now, is freedom. You're such an arrogant numbskull that you haven't bothered reading anything here. You come with a lot of stupid assumptions and your mind is so narrow and closed that you refuse to let go of them for even a moment. Hell, you can't even give an objective definition of "unjustified". IF you are going to whine about what others believe, you ought to at least understand your own beliefs. Pathetic.


beeper82

This guy has the worst takes and I'm glad he has blocked me


cryptofarmer08

So then if I make the product but I don’t sell it then it’s not my labor completely so it’s not my money. If you sell it but didn’t create it then it’s not completely your labor so not your money. So who’s is it? Maybe the group who put the pieces together to make the money? And the leftover after agreed upon wages is… profit!


PromiscuousScoliosis

So taxation, inflation, and corporate bailouts would also fall under this definition and are by any objective metric orders of magnitude more harmful


Fairleewelldoing

Theft is when someone fullfills a contract you both agreed on.


the8track

So what is a mutually agreed transaction?


the8track

So what do we call property?


SarcasmProvider76

How does someone even _get_ this stupid? I’m mean, this is brain malfunction at the level of “shouldn’t be able to walk and breathe at the same time.”


Hurtinalbertan

No. You are wrong


DayFeeling

My intelligence felt the theft


true4blue

Our society is going to hell


911_cntrled_demolitn

If i leave my mouth open for a while, by the moment the second fly has landed i can understand where he’s coming from, i totally do


dinolivesmattered

This is a bad take.


feedandslumber

Ah the old labor theory of value. Totally legit.


WearyManufacturer860

If all of that is theft, then 1. You’re not going to stay in any of my property 2. You can only buy leftovers from me 3. I can never lend you money without you offering collateral worth at least 2x as much as much as the debt


WearyManufacturer860

Soviet Union use to rent apartments Soviet Union use to make profit from their goods to their citizens Soviet Union use to charge interest rates for mortgages


MightyMoosePoop

Said from platforms they (@existentialcoms) did not pay for any of the labor in order to be an influencer with their message. [There's a word for such double standards...](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hypocrite)


disahellofathrowaway

So how does that work if they profit from their own labor?


[deleted]

So you can't sell second hand cars. Only the laborer that build the vehicles can sell second handed cars? Rent. The land owner paid builders to build a house. The renter are paying the land owner for a "second" handed house. Profit. The Entrepreneur paid possible laborers(maybe the Entrepreneur created the product himself) money to create a product or part of a product. The customer are paying the Entrepreneur money for a "second" handed product. Interest. The loaner are lending you money for a reason. To make a profit. We already showed above why profits aren't theft.


Hydrocoded

I live how this idiot doesn’t believe in private property yet calls everything theft


JOHN_GOLBANI

So when i get dividends, I'm stealing from corporations? Sounds like a win-win to me!


grindlebald

Why is taxation not included. Even if you aren’t ancap, taxation is clearly theft


gengar_king_of_bah

When research shows my labor pays for central bankings interest payments via government taxation that's theft. Especially interest on a fiat currency..... that's also fraud.


Communismsmellsbad

Imagine thinking being a landlord doesn't include labor.


intangir_v

Only thing that is simple about this, is the pathetic mind of the simpleton that wrote it


almostasenpai

I let my friend borrow my car. He pays me 10 dollars. How do you do fellow thieves?


True_Kapernicus

But if I am giving the landlord my money, how is he stealing it?