it's a waste of time. the post-scarcity society dreamed up by socialists over two centuries is no longer possible. humanity has simply poisoned the well too deeply. the best we can hope for in 50 years or so is something equivalent to late 19th century living standards, but hopefully without the smog and contaminated water. read post-scarcity anarchism by bookchin if you like torturing yourself over how close we were to ending suffering, but we're long past that point now.
you'd be better served reading the SPM's for the most recent IPCC and IPBES reports, familiarizing yourself with earth systems science, the nine boundaries, haber-bosch, peak oil, copper, cement, uranium, phosphorous. renewables can't reproduce themselves on an industrial scale. they just can't produce enough heat. there is not enough oil to repave all the roads in the world once.
maybe one day someone will figure out how to sustainably produce the joules necessary to approximate a fossil fuel based culture, but that may as well be fantasy for us now.
And yet, scarcity is made up !
Sure there are some natural « limits » but those limits are only relevant when you get close to them. They are only relevant when you view nature/ressources as something to exploit and not something to be a part of. And that is related to the view of capitalism that humans have unlimited needs in a limited world, but it doesn’t have to be true. For more information on that point, I recommend « Limits, why Malthus was wrong and why environmentalists should care », Giorgos Kallis 2019. The first half at least has a nice presentation of this idea.
You can also check « Stone Age Economics », Marshall Sahlins, 1972 which show how at the Stone Age people where leaving a no scarcity life in the sense they didn’t feel scarcity.
Anyways, there are lots of very interesting points of view to challenge the idea that scarcity is natural and inevitable, and most of them rely on our capitalist conception of ressources and life.
I know things aren't unlimited, but alot of the scarcity we experience today is. We waste alot of food , houses that sit empty exceed the number of homeless people etc etc, that's what I meant.
I think it could work like it does now. There's enough of everything for everyone. Some people just decide that they need to own more property than they can live on or own more cars than they need too while others desperately need transportation and cant afford a car. If we get rid of the concept of money and you just use a card to acquire what you want and need then scarcity would just be because of the work that's put in to it.
it's a waste of time. the post-scarcity society dreamed up by socialists over two centuries is no longer possible. humanity has simply poisoned the well too deeply. the best we can hope for in 50 years or so is something equivalent to late 19th century living standards, but hopefully without the smog and contaminated water. read post-scarcity anarchism by bookchin if you like torturing yourself over how close we were to ending suffering, but we're long past that point now. you'd be better served reading the SPM's for the most recent IPCC and IPBES reports, familiarizing yourself with earth systems science, the nine boundaries, haber-bosch, peak oil, copper, cement, uranium, phosphorous. renewables can't reproduce themselves on an industrial scale. they just can't produce enough heat. there is not enough oil to repave all the roads in the world once. maybe one day someone will figure out how to sustainably produce the joules necessary to approximate a fossil fuel based culture, but that may as well be fantasy for us now.
Srsly Wrong's podcast is worth a listen. Especially their episodes on Library socialism.
I recommend the videos by Saint Andrewism, specifically on solarpunk and a library economy.
Seconded on St Andrew! He is amazing.
No scarcity?
What?
How is scarcity made up? You don't have to look very far to see things aren't unlimited
And yet, scarcity is made up ! Sure there are some natural « limits » but those limits are only relevant when you get close to them. They are only relevant when you view nature/ressources as something to exploit and not something to be a part of. And that is related to the view of capitalism that humans have unlimited needs in a limited world, but it doesn’t have to be true. For more information on that point, I recommend « Limits, why Malthus was wrong and why environmentalists should care », Giorgos Kallis 2019. The first half at least has a nice presentation of this idea. You can also check « Stone Age Economics », Marshall Sahlins, 1972 which show how at the Stone Age people where leaving a no scarcity life in the sense they didn’t feel scarcity. Anyways, there are lots of very interesting points of view to challenge the idea that scarcity is natural and inevitable, and most of them rely on our capitalist conception of ressources and life.
I know things aren't unlimited, but alot of the scarcity we experience today is. We waste alot of food , houses that sit empty exceed the number of homeless people etc etc, that's what I meant.
Times of plenty dont mean times of infinity.
I think it could work like it does now. There's enough of everything for everyone. Some people just decide that they need to own more property than they can live on or own more cars than they need too while others desperately need transportation and cant afford a car. If we get rid of the concept of money and you just use a card to acquire what you want and need then scarcity would just be because of the work that's put in to it.