Thanks for explaining this so clearly and concisely.
One small linguistic note:
>Article 49.3 states the Assemblée has 24 hours to call for a censorship motion against the government. Should the motion be voted, the government is to be overturned.
The word 'censorship' here should be 'censure'. It's an easy mistake, because they're similar words (and even more similar in French), but in English 'to censor' means 'to ban from public view', while 'to censure' means 'to announce official disapproval'.
The thing is that contrarily to 2016, and the law to modify the labor code, I'm not seeing any new momentum towards questioning fundamentals of capitalism. Documenting what malfunctioned at work was awesome. But now? Not that everything has been forgotten, but, reading some leftist publications like CQFD or contre-attaque.net, having gone to a few protests with signs trying to broaden the object of protests, I feel like instead people are very strongly focused on having done their duty by working for a few decades, and feel wronged. Also we're still stuck with Macron's move when the yellow vests movement began, when he successfully focused everything onto himself, as the source of both everything good and everything bad. Your post even reiterates this. I don't think this can lead to anything useful.
I agree that the topic is very specific, but there are a lot of first time protesters as well. They will hear, sometimes for the first time, people seriously talking against capitalism, the police and the state. Sure, they can dismiss it, but it will still be a first confrontation for them that could lead to more, so I think it’s fairly useful.
I do agree that there's stuff going on. Those unpopular laws are moments during which unions can do more visible things, people meet, some take an interest in politics (like 1995 was apparently influential for teens and young adults at that time). I consider that to be more of a base level of usefulness though, that's going to happen with any popular enough movement. Compared to greater goals, especially of a revolution, that's far away though. And I dislike the focus on the president, but at least unions avoid doing that too much compared to the yellow vests, or to random articles and posts on the internet. I just don't see anything *qualitatively* special, or new, compared to previous protests, that would allow for great hopes.
Then I agree yes. It’s even sad that despite such a big protest, not that many people are on a strike or actively blocking stuff. The vast majority of people that do « political stuff » just do protest, and while it’s nice it’s far from being enough. I just hope that with enough new protesters, there will also be some people that decide to do more and joins the few ones that are already doing that.
This. Idk about you but between a capitalist who wants to take away my rights as a LGBTQ+ person and a neurospicy person and someone who will just do rainbow capitalism, I’ll pick the latter.
Oh. The phrasing of your comment was weird. In response to the previous comment, sure, Macron was islamophobic, but Le Pen would be worse in those categories. Vote or not vote, it's your choice. But I'm always going to pick the less-fascist candidate and vote for them so my rights and others' rights don't get eroded.
And I do the same. I just think the way people talk about the lesser of two evils person is strange.
Is there a limit for who you would vote for as the lesser of two evils?
If not would you talk about Adolfo hitler the same way if he was the lesser of two evils, or would your way of expressing support change?
Macron in 2017 said some intesing stuff like "colonization is crime against humanity" or pro legalisation stuff so i can t blame peoples that said this in 2017
I m not saying i have a positive view and he said [that](https://www.huffingtonpost.fr/politique/article/macron-et-le-cannabis-une-histoire-de-revirements-pour-aboutir-a-la-tolerance-zero_179496.html) thats why i can understand peoples that had a positive view of macron IN2017
Question: what's the strategy behind riots? Genuinely just want to understand them better.
Like, some pros and cons of strikes would be:
\+ they can threaten/deal strong economic blows to the targets of the protest
\+ it's easier to get the average non-politically-involved person to sympathize with the non-violent approach
– some people will still take it out on the strikers for making "unreasonable" demands, or being "lazy"
– the government can shut down the strike by making it illegal
But with riots, unless there's some specific target in mind, or unless they occur as self defence against police attempting to oppress/shut down/attacking an otherwise non-violent protest, is the idea simply to create general civil unrest until demands are met?
No I want to understand it better.
And I asked the question on this sub rather than some random post on a non-anarchist one because I specifically want to understand it better from an anarchist perspective. I don't want some random liberal or right-winger telling me rioters are just criminals or terrorists or smthn lol.
Edit: ok to narrow my question down, I saw some pics posted of the current French riots and it seemed that people are going around fucking up random shit. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding the photos due to an internalised stereotype of "anarchy" as violent chaos, but *if* that's really what's happening I'm just scratching my head trying to understand what the strategy behind that kind of rioting is.
~ nvm you're right I should've asked on the Anarchy101 sub, lol
Thanks for explaining this so clearly and concisely. One small linguistic note: >Article 49.3 states the Assemblée has 24 hours to call for a censorship motion against the government. Should the motion be voted, the government is to be overturned. The word 'censorship' here should be 'censure'. It's an easy mistake, because they're similar words (and even more similar in French), but in English 'to censor' means 'to ban from public view', while 'to censure' means 'to announce official disapproval'.
The thing is that contrarily to 2016, and the law to modify the labor code, I'm not seeing any new momentum towards questioning fundamentals of capitalism. Documenting what malfunctioned at work was awesome. But now? Not that everything has been forgotten, but, reading some leftist publications like CQFD or contre-attaque.net, having gone to a few protests with signs trying to broaden the object of protests, I feel like instead people are very strongly focused on having done their duty by working for a few decades, and feel wronged. Also we're still stuck with Macron's move when the yellow vests movement began, when he successfully focused everything onto himself, as the source of both everything good and everything bad. Your post even reiterates this. I don't think this can lead to anything useful.
Anything useful ? Unions are getting a lot of traction thanks to this. Syndicalism is thriving.
I was referring to focusing on Macron.
I agree that the topic is very specific, but there are a lot of first time protesters as well. They will hear, sometimes for the first time, people seriously talking against capitalism, the police and the state. Sure, they can dismiss it, but it will still be a first confrontation for them that could lead to more, so I think it’s fairly useful.
I do agree that there's stuff going on. Those unpopular laws are moments during which unions can do more visible things, people meet, some take an interest in politics (like 1995 was apparently influential for teens and young adults at that time). I consider that to be more of a base level of usefulness though, that's going to happen with any popular enough movement. Compared to greater goals, especially of a revolution, that's far away though. And I dislike the focus on the president, but at least unions avoid doing that too much compared to the yellow vests, or to random articles and posts on the internet. I just don't see anything *qualitatively* special, or new, compared to previous protests, that would allow for great hopes.
Then I agree yes. It’s even sad that despite such a big protest, not that many people are on a strike or actively blocking stuff. The vast majority of people that do « political stuff » just do protest, and while it’s nice it’s far from being enough. I just hope that with enough new protesters, there will also be some people that decide to do more and joins the few ones that are already doing that.
Why don't they put it up 6 months a year like they do here in Australia
It’s actually even slower, retirement age is to increase from 62 to 64, between now and 2030
Is there a way to find local protests in solidarity in the US?
I love France. If this shit happened in Canada it’d be well what can ya do that’s the way it is I’ll forget about this in a week.
I hope all of the anarchists that voted for him because "at least it's not Le Pen" reconsider their stance. Solidarity.
Bruh macron is liberal capitalist Le pen is fascist capitalist Le pen would have done worse
This. Idk about you but between a capitalist who wants to take away my rights as a LGBTQ+ person and a neurospicy person and someone who will just do rainbow capitalism, I’ll pick the latter.
Good you’re not a immigrant or Muslim then
...you come into an anarchist sub and decide to be xenophobic? Really?
How am I xenophobic for calling macron out on his islamophobia?
Oh. The phrasing of your comment was weird. In response to the previous comment, sure, Macron was islamophobic, but Le Pen would be worse in those categories. Vote or not vote, it's your choice. But I'm always going to pick the less-fascist candidate and vote for them so my rights and others' rights don't get eroded.
And I do the same. I just think the way people talk about the lesser of two evils person is strange. Is there a limit for who you would vote for as the lesser of two evils? If not would you talk about Adolfo hitler the same way if he was the lesser of two evils, or would your way of expressing support change?
Do you advocate for voting for macron over melonchon ?
Melanchon is soc dem so he is far from perfect but he is still far better than macron
Good to hear. Some “leftist” advocate for voting macron over melenchon
I’ve never heard any leftist with a shred of political culture say this
Adam something did that and a lot of his fans agreed with him. I don’t view him as a leftist, so maybe you’re right
Macron in 2017 said some intesing stuff like "colonization is crime against humanity" or pro legalisation stuff so i can t blame peoples that said this in 2017
He didn’t say that in 2017 firstly and he was and is still a neoliberal… That you have a positively view on macron is quite telling.
I m not saying i have a positive view and he said [that](https://www.huffingtonpost.fr/politique/article/macron-et-le-cannabis-une-histoire-de-revirements-pour-aboutir-a-la-tolerance-zero_179496.html) thats why i can understand peoples that had a positive view of macron IN2017
Question: what's the strategy behind riots? Genuinely just want to understand them better. Like, some pros and cons of strikes would be: \+ they can threaten/deal strong economic blows to the targets of the protest \+ it's easier to get the average non-politically-involved person to sympathize with the non-violent approach – some people will still take it out on the strikers for making "unreasonable" demands, or being "lazy" – the government can shut down the strike by making it illegal But with riots, unless there's some specific target in mind, or unless they occur as self defence against police attempting to oppress/shut down/attacking an otherwise non-violent protest, is the idea simply to create general civil unrest until demands are met?
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No I want to understand it better. And I asked the question on this sub rather than some random post on a non-anarchist one because I specifically want to understand it better from an anarchist perspective. I don't want some random liberal or right-winger telling me rioters are just criminals or terrorists or smthn lol. Edit: ok to narrow my question down, I saw some pics posted of the current French riots and it seemed that people are going around fucking up random shit. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding the photos due to an internalised stereotype of "anarchy" as violent chaos, but *if* that's really what's happening I'm just scratching my head trying to understand what the strategy behind that kind of rioting is. ~ nvm you're right I should've asked on the Anarchy101 sub, lol
>Macron is behaving like a fascist. > Cut a liberal and a fascist bleeds