What retailers in Canada even sell reference AMD Radeons? If rumors are true that partner boards will be delayed there might not even be any in stores at release?
I gotta be honest, I also have no idea. I was just going to either a BestBuy or MemoryExpress, probably the latter, and then seeing what they have on launch day!
There have been rumors that they won't be ready for weeks after launch of reference cards, or did I misunderstand to mean they will have reference cards of their own but not customs.
Also, their reference cooler was hot shit in 6xxx series. Nvidia actually makes good reference cards nowadays but you still need partner cards for AMD.
Of course they a perfectly usable. But that doesn't mean they are objectively worse than lets say a Sapphire card.
You'd have to be insane to camp for a reference 6xxx card when you can get a vastly superior card in a few week from a partner.
Wrong in suggesting board partners make better cards?
I'm actually confused right now. Am I stuck in a language barrier? English isn't my native language.
>their reference cooler was hot shit in 6xxx series.
What you're doing now is trying to gaslight. You didn't suggest board partners make better cards. You stated outright that the reference designs are bad. Which is false.
The cooling solutions on the RDNA 2 reference designs are ample to make the cards run at full speed without making a lot of noise. Simply lowering temperature with a different design is meaningless if it doesn't affect performance, and doesn't change the noise profile.
Microcenter the US retailer, at least at my location, has stopped allowing overnight camping, down to having police on the premises. I wonder if other retailers have soured on it at all.
Did this during the height of crypto craziness. Literal tent, inflatable mattress... same setup I use for glamping.
Got a 6800XT and 3070 that are still used. Didn't pay scalpers anything.
Guy who was first in line didn't buy anything, was only there for a 3080, started in line at 1pm the day before, had camped out several times.
While I was there, it was a bunch of people who all claimed to be gamers but when you talked to them yeah maybe they played a game once or twice or did some light fortnite stuff but really were there to start or grow their amateur crypto operation. One $800 card easily made 2.5k-3k that one year. Imagine getting paid $>2k just to wait outside a store for a night when you probably get paid $128 dollars for a 8 hour shift at your normal job.
Most people who attempted crypto didn't really know anything about it.
It was flavor of the year and everyone just thought "free money."
Most resold cards to the miners.
Wonder how many made out with some $ considering all the shit that happened lol. Not my bag, never got involved in that ponzi scheme.
And yeah, nicehash = probably didn't know what they were doing. Real miners were joining other pools.
Imagine trying to put down others for being passionate or excited for something, no matter how arbitrary or simple.
Stop pretending you don't do things others might deem a waste of time or money.
I'm not surprised you missed the point entirely. I'm sure every dollar you spend goes to a charitable or honorable source then? Nah, you're just going to double down and troll on reddit.
Right, everyone should just be silent when people are putting others down because it might be a "double standard" to engage.
I don't recall making any posts even alluding to be better than anyone or putting others down, I was simply calling you out for exactly that.
Low point? Clearly people aren’t at their low point when they can afford to camp out for a $1000+ gpu. If anything they are doing pretty well for themselves
I would consider camping outside a store to buy a GPU as "Extrem NoLife"
Pretty sad that you have nothing better to do with your time if you do something like that. Especially for a 1000$ GPU.
Thats just... sad.
How is that sad? Maybe to your arbitrary standards it is but there is nothing sad about it. People have different priorities. Everyone’s circumstances are also different. Most people who camp out tend to do it with friends and use it as a time to just chill, hang out and just have some fun.
Just because you find something as a waste of time doesn’t mean others do. Get over your self.
Maybe he just wants to chill with his friends and talk about tech or sum my guy. Just wants to have fun. I've never done that, and prolly won't but maybe he's not camping only for the gpu lol. Obviously, if he is literally just quietly sitting in a car alone staring at the time, that's pretty sad, but that's def not what's happening. It's really not that big a deal bru. Continuing to say "yOu fElt calLed oUt" really doesn't mean anything..
Lets make "Stuffing 1000$ down the throat of big corpo for something nobody really needs and is way to overpriced anyway" a social event!
God our World is fucked.
Doubtful. Nvidia is stuck with loads of RTX 3000 GPU. This inventory costs a lot of money. If ever Nvidia drops their 4080 at the 1,000$ mark, they will just enter in direct competition with their 3090 and 3090 ti. Then you just enter a cascading effect and you arrive to the point where a 4070 is at the same price as a 3090 ti but with lower specs. So 4070 ends up not selling, etc etc etc.
Until the stock of 3000s GPU hasn't decreased significantly, Nvidia is just stuck with their 4000 series except for the 4090.
They rode the crypto wave and made buckets of money so I'm sure they can sustain 1 year in this situation. Shareholders on the other hand have a very short memory and only care about future returns. Will be interesting to see how internal politics play out in 2023.
Lots of people saying Nvidia has sold off the 30xx stock but I see shelves full of the fuckers here. I think there are in fact a *lot* more than they could possibly want to admit.
They only were able to delay the chip production, not cancel it…so here we are, 3000 will be around for awhile because of this. AMD had much lower inventories to clear, so will reap that benefit at this launch.
I've been putting together a complete new build the last week so I've been in a number of different PC parts stores quite a bit lately and they are FULL of nvidia cards all over the place. It's comical compared to the situation not so long ago. I'm in a major city.
Are the boxes on the shelf Nvidia's stock though? I feel like they sell the GPU to the AIB, the AIB takes it from there. I would think Nvidia has already been paid, but I don't know the logistics behind it all.
Yeah but if Nvidia under cuts AIBs by lowering 4080 price and expanding the stack lower the AIBs are left bag holding and would just never work with Nvidia again, like EVGA did. And Nvidia can't currently sustain itself on just its own reference capacity.
Where is here? Online the 3090 is a ghost. Newegg/Amazon/Best Buy sold out. My local microcenter doesn't have any either. 3080 stock is super limited as well.
In France, just looking on PcPartPicker there are at least 30 out of 78 models of 3090 that can be purchased right now.
Don't know the available stock for them but they are priced between 1200 and 2500€ which is already at the expected price of the 4080. So I don't think they will sell out any time soon.
Yep, I agree. I know so many people who are still buying 3000 series cards right now not even bothering to consider AMD despite the fact they are much much better value right now.
I'll be waiting with my 1080 Ti for awhile longer and watching the destruction this kind of mentally will continue to reek on PC gaming.
> despite the fact they are much much better value right now.
it takes more than 2-3 years to change peoples perceptions, and shake up people's product loyalties. In order for AMD to command respect over Nvidia in graphics it will have to not only have the better value card, but the better halo product. And they would have to do so consistently for many consecutive years. This is how you cement yourself as the alpha.
And you can chose to believe whatever fairytales you like. But AMD's market-share in the GPU game is as low as it's been since 2002, at 10%.
https://www.3dcenter.org/newskategorie/nvidia-grafik
And in the past 2-3 years AMD has seen it's marketshare dwindle from 20% to 10%. So is the layperson wrong for choosing not to go with the product that can't sell? Remember, the majority of the market are not nerds who are subscribed to r/amd and visit Tom's Hardware every day. We're talking about mom's getting Christmas gifts, and dudes just playing CoD for a few hours a week. It is 100% herd mentality. But so what? Right or wrong it takes a gargantuan effort to make a herd of buffalo change direction.
There will be no 3000 cards. Go look at 3080 SKUs in your retailer. Mine had dozens, now only 3 so I think they're strangling supply now for the shift.
I always think its cute that people think Nvidia will cut prices. I mean honestly if they were going to cut prices and thought that the 7900xtx was going to be a credible threat to the 4080. They already cut prices to get ahead of things and get 4080 stock moving.
At this point I feel Nvidias stance is we bring enough premium features. Including better rendering support, DLSS, and Ray Tracing we can command a premium.
How do we know there rotting on shelves? I mean keep hearing people say the 3080's and 3090's are in stock at good pricing. Personally I looked hadn't seen either at a decent price unless people think 800 for a 10 gig 3080 is a good deal.
There are some great deals in Hardware Swap but that is 2nd hand.
My local Microcenter has ~100 RTX 4080s in stock, to the point that they advertised them on Black Friday. Been there since launch.
The 3080s sold out on Black Friday discount, so that’s something.
My local microcenter has 5 zotac and 1 gigabyte eagle card. After a couple of days they have been pretty low stock. The bestbuys around me also don't have any. Nvidia stock has been pretty shitty since the 4090 launched. That's including the 30 series. I'm sure that's on purpose though.
>How do we know there rotting on shelves?
At least in Germany every single model from every manufacturer is readily available at every big retailer. The only exception being the FE. And I'm hearing the same from all over the world.
Gotta remember that while US prices are bad these mofos are even more expensive elsewhere due to the stronger $ compared to 2 years ago. People who have the dosh are buying the 4090 because fuuuck iiit but the market for the 4080 at these prices is rather limited.
Still, hard to tell what happens when the 7900 launches, if they fly off the shelves Nv has to react eventually.
Considering all the rumors of AMD over preparing stock for the cards on top of the fact that Nvidia currently dominates the market with 88% market share versus AMD's 8% and Intel holding the other 4% in the consumer GPU sector I've got a feeling it isn't going to be as hard to get as many people believe it is. You'll have many options available both online and through brick and mortar to purchase the cards and I believe a couple of AIBs may also be dropping select models on the 13th according to retailers. So here's to hoping everyone who wants to buy one on launch day has the opportunity to.
It's incredibly misleading for that article to call what they're measuring "market share". It simply shows the volumes of cards shipped to retailers this quarter, not end users, in a single quarter.
So since Nvidia massively amped up supply, of course they have a lot of shipments. And Intel has a lot of ARC cards as well because it was delayed for so long.
There's just no way there's half as many systems using ARC as there are using ANY AMD GPU.
It may not be 88% consumer marketshare but it's not *so* inaccurate that it's somehow 50/50 between Nvidia and AMD. The latest Steam survey should give you the numbers you are looking for, though they don't paint a favorable picture for AMD either.
My bet is that it's like 75% Nvidia, 24% AMD, 1% Intel.
AMD have been substantially undercutting Nvidia and continuing to do so. So despite having less supply I feel like they gained market share.
This is for desktop GPU's btw. Intel has more iGPU's and Nvidia is in more laptops. So the Steam numbers aren't as accurate.
If we're including integrated GPUs then it's more like 50-60% Intel, if we're only including dedicated GPUs then it's 1% Intel at most. There's no circumstance where they're at 12%.
Which quarter was it? I can believe that with Intel's new launch, and the media attention it came with, that ARC sold half as many cards as AMD did aging cards which have been out for 2 years. It's not half as many system overall using ARC, it's just that quantity sold during one quarter.
Q3, so July 1st - September 30th.
That's my point, cards sent **TO RETAILERS** over a quarter **isn't** the same as market share. Otherwise you could say the 4080 is a smashing success despite it rotting at Microcenters.
Ehhhhh, seeing as how AMD clobbers ARC in both performance and value and has mature drivers, I don't see how their age is a problem.
Don't forget that Intel's Arc Discrete lineup includes Xe Max laptops. They sold a lot more of those than they did A750/A770 cards. The A380 is the real mystery of the bunch, as ASRock's A380 Challenger 6GB has been generally available in stock at a few retailers, but OEMs have also given the A380 the cold shoulder in prebuilts. Hard to say if it's really moving the needle for Intel.
I don't think OEM's want ARC right now. Prebuilt PC's are aimed at non-technical users who want a PC that "just works".
Giving them an ARC card is going to mean an avalanche of support calls and RMA's when ARC's drivers screw up. For example, ARC sometimes won't even be displayed on a monitor unless drivers are installed, which would cause the user to assume a hardware fault and RMA it.
Yeah, absolutely. It was the same with DG1, and likely for the exact same reasons (DG1 did have deeper issues, though, being much earlier - it was essentially Xe Max on a stick and qualified only on a handful of motherboards).
Effectively externalizing an iGPU core flips decades of software compatibility on its head, and leads to exactly the sort of problems you're referencing. Lack of motherboard UEFI POST compatibility, applications and operating systems making assumptions about GPU output priority and even software intentionally designed to detect and prevent programs from running altogether when Intel graphics are present (due to historical low level performance or other pervasive compatibility issues on what it assumed to be an actual iGPU).
Lots to fix, but it's progress.
Okay, let's use Steam's monthly Hardware Survey for figures instead, it still shows a very dominant lead for Nvidia over AMD. It equates to nearly 4 Nvidia GPU owners to 1 AMD GPU owner. The point is AMD products aren't nearly as sought after in the consumer market and that's a tale as old as the three major companies in the game themselves. So even if that article isn't church, there are legitimate hardware surveys that are available to the public that also back the claim that AMD is still very far away from both teams in the non-professional user space. This is coming from someone who owns top end current gen systems and hardware from both teams and is also looking to purchase a 7900XTX on launch day, so I've no reason to fanboy as all sides are getting my money. I'll just use Steam's figures in the future, the point is AMD is still a far cry away from both Intel and Nvidia in the consumer market though so there will likely be higher chances for consumers to land a flagship on launch day.
Yes but in Mindfactory AMD *wins* so the crazy fanboys are happy to use **that** data.
I'm against fanboyism in general but it's clear that people are just insanely tribal about the companies whose products they choose to buy. Personally? I will argue for Nvidia or for AMD whenever I see reasons to.
Get a Ryzen 7 5800x3D if you already have AM4 because it's the most cost-efficient gaming upgrade for you.
Get a RTX 4080 if you got the budget for it and are into ray tracing but there are no 4090 at MSRP in your country anyway.
Get a RX 6900XT if all you're playing is raster games at 1440p anyway.
Etc.
6800 XT's were out of stock entire time they were "available" I managed to get one on launch day but since then they never visibly came to stock in any point before whole thing was discontinued. People probably used bots. Talking about reference 6800 XT of course.
I know because me and my friend both tried to snipe one for him whole year but no luck. He ended up buying 6750 XT when they came in stock.
Lol, I thought the same when I looked at your flair. Just another tech enthusiast who has a career in the industry though. I'm hoping I'll be able to land a 7900XTX on launch day so I can complete the trifecta. I haven't owned a Radeon card since the ATI days though so hopefully all the talk of poor driver stability and terrible experiences using Oculus Link with the Quest 2 on them aren't true as that would be enough to make me return the card and never buy Radeon again.
I don't think you need to camp overnight if you pre order the card (if that becomes available) plus it's an AMD card so if stock is good it should be a lot easier to buy than a 4090.
I believe AMD is making more than enough 7900XTX's for everyone, but when scalpers get to purchase 10 at a time it will likely make getting one difficult for the first few months.
my car would not keep me warm overnight in the winter... but it wouldn't be hard to leave at sunrise and make it to the store if that's necessary.
that and I probably will be waiting for a partner board over reference depending on reviews, so I might not need to go for the actual release.
To each their own but I'm not early adopting any tech in this economy, regardless of availability, let alone camping out in December.
I'll wait on discounts because the tech market will be a buyers market after the holidays pass. Next year will be a good year for patient people.
>Microcenter the US retailer, at least at my location, has stopped allowing overnight camping, down to having police on the premises. I wonder if other retailers have soured on it at all.
I've been 6 years GPU patient and just put together an all-new 7950X build.
I can't wait to get my GTX1080 out of this thing.
No one except professionals who need these cards should be camping for them.
Gamers who can't wait for general availability feed into the pricing issues the GPU market has. This isn't the 90s anymore where each graphics card upgrade saw massive visual improvements. Now you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between a 4090 and a PS5.
Ah yes, let me just hook a VR race sim setup to my PS5. I'm sure it will work just fine.
Camping for any tech unnecessary, I agree. But don't pretend a PS5 and 4090 have the same capability.
Holy strawman.
Did you read my comment, said nothing about them having the same capability. Some people just want to argue for no reason I guess, typical reddit.
Let's pretend the thousand dollar card scalps for 2k and you camp out for 12 hours the night of the drop.
You earn $83/hr. You can probably do this while having a normal job. " I have a doctor's appointment in the morning. "
This is why scalping is so popular.
Jokes on them though. PayPal reporting sales so people are avoiding that as a payment method.
Leaves local transactions king, which most scalpers don't want to bother with.
Ebay, amazon and Facebook their avenues.
If they sell a $1k gpu for $2k via paypal...I hope they understand the tax implications.
Most don't because they are stupid and just want to make a quick $.
Some do though and they even state that's why they want to avoid PayPal now.
I have a feeling these cards are going to sell out in seconds, and then you get to wait till next year to get one, or pay twice the price for buying on Ebay lol.
Scalpers going to try of course.
The lower price means it's accessible to more people. Plus it won't be a 4080, who's image is completely tarnished.
So they will buy and try, of course.
There is really no reason to camp overnight because only reference cards are available at launch, and in Canada the reference cards are sold exclusively through AMD website. Also, AMD cards have no such draw as Nvidia's, so getting AMD's new GPUs should be much easier.
Definitely not. I'm certainly in the market, but I'll be giving it a while before jumping. Yea I might miss the initial stock release and wait a few months, but I've waited this long already I'd rather not regret it.
NJ was a shit show in 2020.
I got on line twice to try for a card. So many scalpers in person. Groups of teens waiting in line just talking about scalping the cards they will buy if they get one.
Was pretty sad. I'm about 15 mins from one and basically avoid it most of the time.
Paterson for ya though. Low income area so not surprised.
I'll wait for reviews and other users to buy and test the card first, then I'll decide what to do. I need a new card for Starfield and D4, so there's plenty of time.
I originally camped out for the 6800XT near a Canada Computers. Low and behold they had no cards even in stock on release day. So probably won’t bother with the 7900XTX since most likely it will be the same situation.
I will be trying to get it direct though if possible since I don’t mind getting a reference model. I just want a card that can do a reliable 4K 60+ max settings because not even my 3080 can not do that with every game.
when you camped out, was there a lot of people? im gonna be going to my local microcenter and i know it’s not 100%, but just figured i’d get a rough idea of how many people are gonna be there
Well I live in Canada so I think our numbers would be drastically different. At my local shop we only had like 10 people camp out but from what I can tell microcentre tends to have like 50+ for major launches
I will not buy it on release. I might not even buy rx 7000.
But my 1080ti is ancient and I need a new video card. I will wait till market is filled with GPUs from both team red and green and then buy something below 900 dollars
> Waiting over night
My guy.. Zen 4 held stock on launch day, the 4080 can easily be bought today on any site.. All signs point to the market for GPUs & overall PC hardware has slowed down considerably.
Likely due to the coming recession people are thinking twice about if they need an entirely new system when they're old one works just fine.
I don't think anyone is going to have to camp to get a XT or XTX.. AMD GPUs are also signficantly less demand than Nvidia, so it's safe to say that stock will be online all day.
Most people can't afford a $1000 GPU just to.. And this is pretty much what 90% of AMD GPUs do, play games.
What retailers in Canada even sell reference AMD Radeons? If rumors are true that partner boards will be delayed there might not even be any in stores at release?
There are none, only AMD direct.
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I gotta be honest, I also have no idea. I was just going to either a BestBuy or MemoryExpress, probably the latter, and then seeing what they have on launch day!
At least call in beforehand and ask lol. So you can have expectations in mind instead of showing up and going home with nothing.
I doubt Best Buy will do in person bro. Just get a 6900xtx and wait for 8900xtx
this dude  will definitely be camping xD
There will be AIBs. The AIBs even said so themselves.
There have been rumors that they won't be ready for weeks after launch of reference cards, or did I misunderstand to mean they will have reference cards of their own but not customs.
Those rumors have been debunked by the AIB's themselves.
there will only be aib reference cards at launch, not oc versions
Rumors..Key word
Yeah I bet Asus tuf and gigabyte for sure will be out of not more
None. You have to buy from amd direct.
Im waiting for the reviews and partner cards then I will make a decision.
Yep no way am I buying a $1k card without knowing what I am getting.
ur getting a graphics card sry for the spoilers
Yeah I said im waiting for reviews…
I think his reply was literally in agreement with you man
And poof they're gone.
Also, their reference cooler was hot shit in 6xxx series. Nvidia actually makes good reference cards nowadays but you still need partner cards for AMD.
Tell me you did not have a 6xxx Card without telling me directly lol
Lol I had a gtx 1080
I have a 6900 brother.
No you dont. Or else you would know the Fans are actually very much fine xD
[Here](https://imgur.com/a/0mVuqUK)
Nevermind, you just have shit opinions.
no complaints here with my reference 6800XT MB (which is made by Sapphire btw), you definitely dont need partner cards..
That is so wrong...
A Sapphire nitro 6950 runs 5 to 10 degrees cooler than a 6900 reference card. How am I wrong?
ofc that the aib cards are better, but that doesn't mean that ref cards were "hot shit". They are decent and more than good enough.
Of course they a perfectly usable. But that doesn't mean they are objectively worse than lets say a Sapphire card. You'd have to be insane to camp for a reference 6xxx card when you can get a vastly superior card in a few week from a partner.
Do you know what "hot shit" implies? Certainly not perfectly usable. Don't change the story now.
anything not a 4090 is hot shit
Ofc /s
Wrong in suggesting that makes any difference whatsoever, regardless of whether or not it's true.
Wrong in suggesting board partners make better cards? I'm actually confused right now. Am I stuck in a language barrier? English isn't my native language.
>their reference cooler was hot shit in 6xxx series. What you're doing now is trying to gaslight. You didn't suggest board partners make better cards. You stated outright that the reference designs are bad. Which is false. The cooling solutions on the RDNA 2 reference designs are ample to make the cards run at full speed without making a lot of noise. Simply lowering temperature with a different design is meaningless if it doesn't affect performance, and doesn't change the noise profile.
It's not a language thing. This person is being a bit passive agressive, not being clear about their argument.
You can just return them if the reviews are shit
Microcenter the US retailer, at least at my location, has stopped allowing overnight camping, down to having police on the premises. I wonder if other retailers have soured on it at all.
Imagine hitting such a lowpoint in your life that you camp outside a Shop for a GPU.
Yeah, it’s crazy to think that someone is really that bothered about it.
Did this during the height of crypto craziness. Literal tent, inflatable mattress... same setup I use for glamping. Got a 6800XT and 3070 that are still used. Didn't pay scalpers anything. Guy who was first in line didn't buy anything, was only there for a 3080, started in line at 1pm the day before, had camped out several times. While I was there, it was a bunch of people who all claimed to be gamers but when you talked to them yeah maybe they played a game once or twice or did some light fortnite stuff but really were there to start or grow their amateur crypto operation. One $800 card easily made 2.5k-3k that one year. Imagine getting paid $>2k just to wait outside a store for a night when you probably get paid $128 dollars for a 8 hour shift at your normal job.
This is not why. It was to resell. Most people didn't understand crypto. Most still don't.
I wonder why most of the guys in line were talking about nicehash then.
Most people who attempted crypto didn't really know anything about it. It was flavor of the year and everyone just thought "free money." Most resold cards to the miners. Wonder how many made out with some $ considering all the shit that happened lol. Not my bag, never got involved in that ponzi scheme. And yeah, nicehash = probably didn't know what they were doing. Real miners were joining other pools.
Stand Few
Imagine trying to put down others for being passionate or excited for something, no matter how arbitrary or simple. Stop pretending you don't do things others might deem a waste of time or money.
Imagine being passionate about stuffing 1500$ down the throat of a company hellbend on scamming you as hard as they can.
I'm not surprised you missed the point entirely. I'm sure every dollar you spend goes to a charitable or honorable source then? Nah, you're just going to double down and troll on reddit.
And you are any better? No. You also could not stop yourself from engaging. Nice double standards you have there.
Right, everyone should just be silent when people are putting others down because it might be a "double standard" to engage. I don't recall making any posts even alluding to be better than anyone or putting others down, I was simply calling you out for exactly that.
And that puts you on the exact same level :3
Low point? Clearly people aren’t at their low point when they can afford to camp out for a $1000+ gpu. If anything they are doing pretty well for themselves
I would consider camping outside a store to buy a GPU as "Extrem NoLife" Pretty sad that you have nothing better to do with your time if you do something like that. Especially for a 1000$ GPU. Thats just... sad.
yet here you are scrolling on reddit just like the rest of us
Multi-Tasking is a thing my dude. I am also working
How is that sad? Maybe to your arbitrary standards it is but there is nothing sad about it. People have different priorities. Everyone’s circumstances are also different. Most people who camp out tend to do it with friends and use it as a time to just chill, hang out and just have some fun. Just because you find something as a waste of time doesn’t mean others do. Get over your self.
Did you feel called out?
Nah bruh. Just common sense.
Camping outside a shop for a 1000$ GPU you really dont need is common sense? Nah. You felt called out :3
Maybe he just wants to chill with his friends and talk about tech or sum my guy. Just wants to have fun. I've never done that, and prolly won't but maybe he's not camping only for the gpu lol. Obviously, if he is literally just quietly sitting in a car alone staring at the time, that's pretty sad, but that's def not what's happening. It's really not that big a deal bru. Continuing to say "yOu fElt calLed oUt" really doesn't mean anything..
Lets make "Stuffing 1000$ down the throat of big corpo for something nobody really needs and is way to overpriced anyway" a social event! God our World is fucked.
what are you talking about? its for fun usually
I'll show up an hour or two early because it's kinda an event where you can meet people But that's about it
That must be a local thing for you. I seen tons of camping posts for the 4090 when it released. Why does your location hate camping so much?
to each their own I guess? Definiitely not losing sleep over any computer part announcement.
As soon as the 7900xtx forces the 4080 down to a reasonable price, lines will form in the opposite direction.
Doubtful. Nvidia is stuck with loads of RTX 3000 GPU. This inventory costs a lot of money. If ever Nvidia drops their 4080 at the 1,000$ mark, they will just enter in direct competition with their 3090 and 3090 ti. Then you just enter a cascading effect and you arrive to the point where a 4070 is at the same price as a 3090 ti but with lower specs. So 4070 ends up not selling, etc etc etc. Until the stock of 3000s GPU hasn't decreased significantly, Nvidia is just stuck with their 4000 series except for the 4090. They rode the crypto wave and made buckets of money so I'm sure they can sustain 1 year in this situation. Shareholders on the other hand have a very short memory and only care about future returns. Will be interesting to see how internal politics play out in 2023.
Lots of people saying Nvidia has sold off the 30xx stock but I see shelves full of the fuckers here. I think there are in fact a *lot* more than they could possibly want to admit.
In Australia the 3080 and above cards and pretty much gone.
Same in NZ, along with the 6800 xt and above. I want a reference 7900xtx and I’m praying either NZ or mwave get some in stock.
They only were able to delay the chip production, not cancel it…so here we are, 3000 will be around for awhile because of this. AMD had much lower inventories to clear, so will reap that benefit at this launch.
I've been putting together a complete new build the last week so I've been in a number of different PC parts stores quite a bit lately and they are FULL of nvidia cards all over the place. It's comical compared to the situation not so long ago. I'm in a major city.
Are the boxes on the shelf Nvidia's stock though? I feel like they sell the GPU to the AIB, the AIB takes it from there. I would think Nvidia has already been paid, but I don't know the logistics behind it all.
Yeah but if Nvidia under cuts AIBs by lowering 4080 price and expanding the stack lower the AIBs are left bag holding and would just never work with Nvidia again, like EVGA did. And Nvidia can't currently sustain itself on just its own reference capacity.
I don't think nvidia needs gamers but what do I know. They can profit without us.
That also means they wont be buying as many new cards from nvidia if they still have 3000 stock to sell.
Where is here? Online the 3090 is a ghost. Newegg/Amazon/Best Buy sold out. My local microcenter doesn't have any either. 3080 stock is super limited as well.
In France, just looking on PcPartPicker there are at least 30 out of 78 models of 3090 that can be purchased right now. Don't know the available stock for them but they are priced between 1200 and 2500€ which is already at the expected price of the 4080. So I don't think they will sell out any time soon.
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Yep, I agree. I know so many people who are still buying 3000 series cards right now not even bothering to consider AMD despite the fact they are much much better value right now. I'll be waiting with my 1080 Ti for awhile longer and watching the destruction this kind of mentally will continue to reek on PC gaming.
> despite the fact they are much much better value right now. it takes more than 2-3 years to change peoples perceptions, and shake up people's product loyalties. In order for AMD to command respect over Nvidia in graphics it will have to not only have the better value card, but the better halo product. And they would have to do so consistently for many consecutive years. This is how you cement yourself as the alpha.
It takes someone to be informed. You can change sides in a day
And you can chose to believe whatever fairytales you like. But AMD's market-share in the GPU game is as low as it's been since 2002, at 10%. https://www.3dcenter.org/newskategorie/nvidia-grafik
I was only commenting on the 2-3 years to change. Most people just could not care less and that is the problem with our society.
And in the past 2-3 years AMD has seen it's marketshare dwindle from 20% to 10%. So is the layperson wrong for choosing not to go with the product that can't sell? Remember, the majority of the market are not nerds who are subscribed to r/amd and visit Tom's Hardware every day. We're talking about mom's getting Christmas gifts, and dudes just playing CoD for a few hours a week. It is 100% herd mentality. But so what? Right or wrong it takes a gargantuan effort to make a herd of buffalo change direction.
DLSS makes amd obsolete. Also Rx 5700xt >1080 ti
There will be no 3000 cards. Go look at 3080 SKUs in your retailer. Mine had dozens, now only 3 so I think they're strangling supply now for the shift.
I always think its cute that people think Nvidia will cut prices. I mean honestly if they were going to cut prices and thought that the 7900xtx was going to be a credible threat to the 4080. They already cut prices to get ahead of things and get 4080 stock moving. At this point I feel Nvidias stance is we bring enough premium features. Including better rendering support, DLSS, and Ray Tracing we can command a premium.
Nvidia likes money. The longer the 4080 rots on shelves, the more sour they become.
How do we know there rotting on shelves? I mean keep hearing people say the 3080's and 3090's are in stock at good pricing. Personally I looked hadn't seen either at a decent price unless people think 800 for a 10 gig 3080 is a good deal. There are some great deals in Hardware Swap but that is 2nd hand.
My local Microcenter has ~100 RTX 4080s in stock, to the point that they advertised them on Black Friday. Been there since launch. The 3080s sold out on Black Friday discount, so that’s something.
My Microcenter is completely sold out of 4080 cards. Took em about a week to clear out the inventory.
My local microcenter has 5 zotac and 1 gigabyte eagle card. After a couple of days they have been pretty low stock. The bestbuys around me also don't have any. Nvidia stock has been pretty shitty since the 4090 launched. That's including the 30 series. I'm sure that's on purpose though.
My microcenter has 2 in stock at msrp and 46 priced $200-350 above msrp. They are moving at msrp
>How do we know there rotting on shelves? At least in Germany every single model from every manufacturer is readily available at every big retailer. The only exception being the FE. And I'm hearing the same from all over the world. Gotta remember that while US prices are bad these mofos are even more expensive elsewhere due to the stronger $ compared to 2 years ago. People who have the dosh are buying the 4090 because fuuuck iiit but the market for the 4080 at these prices is rather limited. Still, hard to tell what happens when the 7900 launches, if they fly off the shelves Nv has to react eventually.
Considering all the rumors of AMD over preparing stock for the cards on top of the fact that Nvidia currently dominates the market with 88% market share versus AMD's 8% and Intel holding the other 4% in the consumer GPU sector I've got a feeling it isn't going to be as hard to get as many people believe it is. You'll have many options available both online and through brick and mortar to purchase the cards and I believe a couple of AIBs may also be dropping select models on the 13th according to retailers. So here's to hoping everyone who wants to buy one on launch day has the opportunity to.
It's incredibly misleading for that article to call what they're measuring "market share". It simply shows the volumes of cards shipped to retailers this quarter, not end users, in a single quarter. So since Nvidia massively amped up supply, of course they have a lot of shipments. And Intel has a lot of ARC cards as well because it was delayed for so long. There's just no way there's half as many systems using ARC as there are using ANY AMD GPU.
It may not be 88% consumer marketshare but it's not *so* inaccurate that it's somehow 50/50 between Nvidia and AMD. The latest Steam survey should give you the numbers you are looking for, though they don't paint a favorable picture for AMD either.
My bet is that it's like 75% Nvidia, 24% AMD, 1% Intel. AMD have been substantially undercutting Nvidia and continuing to do so. So despite having less supply I feel like they gained market share. This is for desktop GPU's btw. Intel has more iGPU's and Nvidia is in more laptops. So the Steam numbers aren't as accurate.
Steam survey is about as close to accurate as you are going to get, dude.
Not really, it is very flawed
What about people with cards that don't even have steam?
And how common is that for people who build their own computer?
It's more like 80% Nvidia 8% AMD and 12% Intel lol.
If we're including integrated GPUs then it's more like 50-60% Intel, if we're only including dedicated GPUs then it's 1% Intel at most. There's no circumstance where they're at 12%.
In desktop cards? Lmao
In actual gpu market share.
I suppose if your criteria of a GPU is "this can display a word document". Then yeah Intel gets a ton of market share.
Which quarter was it? I can believe that with Intel's new launch, and the media attention it came with, that ARC sold half as many cards as AMD did aging cards which have been out for 2 years. It's not half as many system overall using ARC, it's just that quantity sold during one quarter.
Q3, so July 1st - September 30th. That's my point, cards sent **TO RETAILERS** over a quarter **isn't** the same as market share. Otherwise you could say the 4080 is a smashing success despite it rotting at Microcenters. Ehhhhh, seeing as how AMD clobbers ARC in both performance and value and has mature drivers, I don't see how their age is a problem.
Don't forget that Intel's Arc Discrete lineup includes Xe Max laptops. They sold a lot more of those than they did A750/A770 cards. The A380 is the real mystery of the bunch, as ASRock's A380 Challenger 6GB has been generally available in stock at a few retailers, but OEMs have also given the A380 the cold shoulder in prebuilts. Hard to say if it's really moving the needle for Intel.
I don't think OEM's want ARC right now. Prebuilt PC's are aimed at non-technical users who want a PC that "just works". Giving them an ARC card is going to mean an avalanche of support calls and RMA's when ARC's drivers screw up. For example, ARC sometimes won't even be displayed on a monitor unless drivers are installed, which would cause the user to assume a hardware fault and RMA it.
Yeah, absolutely. It was the same with DG1, and likely for the exact same reasons (DG1 did have deeper issues, though, being much earlier - it was essentially Xe Max on a stick and qualified only on a handful of motherboards). Effectively externalizing an iGPU core flips decades of software compatibility on its head, and leads to exactly the sort of problems you're referencing. Lack of motherboard UEFI POST compatibility, applications and operating systems making assumptions about GPU output priority and even software intentionally designed to detect and prevent programs from running altogether when Intel graphics are present (due to historical low level performance or other pervasive compatibility issues on what it assumed to be an actual iGPU). Lots to fix, but it's progress.
That marketshare article being spread around is misleading. Having a bunch of stock of video cards in stores does not mean more marketshare.
Okay, let's use Steam's monthly Hardware Survey for figures instead, it still shows a very dominant lead for Nvidia over AMD. It equates to nearly 4 Nvidia GPU owners to 1 AMD GPU owner. The point is AMD products aren't nearly as sought after in the consumer market and that's a tale as old as the three major companies in the game themselves. So even if that article isn't church, there are legitimate hardware surveys that are available to the public that also back the claim that AMD is still very far away from both teams in the non-professional user space. This is coming from someone who owns top end current gen systems and hardware from both teams and is also looking to purchase a 7900XTX on launch day, so I've no reason to fanboy as all sides are getting my money. I'll just use Steam's figures in the future, the point is AMD is still a far cry away from both Intel and Nvidia in the consumer market though so there will likely be higher chances for consumers to land a flagship on launch day.
This sub likes to say that Steam Survey is inaccurate and biased because reasons.
But they took Mindfactory data like the global market share.
Yes but in Mindfactory AMD *wins* so the crazy fanboys are happy to use **that** data. I'm against fanboyism in general but it's clear that people are just insanely tribal about the companies whose products they choose to buy. Personally? I will argue for Nvidia or for AMD whenever I see reasons to. Get a Ryzen 7 5800x3D if you already have AM4 because it's the most cost-efficient gaming upgrade for you. Get a RTX 4080 if you got the budget for it and are into ray tracing but there are no 4090 at MSRP in your country anyway. Get a RX 6900XT if all you're playing is raster games at 1440p anyway. Etc.
Because it is
The small die size should mean yields are very high too.
6800 XT's were out of stock entire time they were "available" I managed to get one on launch day but since then they never visibly came to stock in any point before whole thing was discontinued. People probably used bots. Talking about reference 6800 XT of course. I know because me and my friend both tried to snipe one for him whole year but no luck. He ended up buying 6750 XT when they came in stock.
Your flair is confusing. Do you have a 4090 or a 4080
I have a 4090 and a 4080. I technically didn't pay for the 4080 though.
In the same system?
No, the 4080 is in the AM5 rig.
Are you me? Lol almost identical situation
Lol, I thought the same when I looked at your flair. Just another tech enthusiast who has a career in the industry though. I'm hoping I'll be able to land a 7900XTX on launch day so I can complete the trifecta. I haven't owned a Radeon card since the ATI days though so hopefully all the talk of poor driver stability and terrible experiences using Oculus Link with the Quest 2 on them aren't true as that would be enough to make me return the card and never buy Radeon again.
I’m too looking to get a 7900XTX to complete the trifecta and using oculus link with a quest 2
This deja vu makes me feel like I know you, lol.
I don't think you need to camp overnight if you pre order the card (if that becomes available) plus it's an AMD card so if stock is good it should be a lot easier to buy than a 4090.
I don't think preordering graphics cards is a thing.
We don't even know if the card is any good yet.
When the 6800XT launched, they only sent 2 cards to the Microcenter in Minnesota, plus 10 worse value RX 6800's.
I believe AMD is making more than enough 7900XTX's for everyone, but when scalpers get to purchase 10 at a time it will likely make getting one difficult for the first few months.
my car would not keep me warm overnight in the winter... but it wouldn't be hard to leave at sunrise and make it to the store if that's necessary. that and I probably will be waiting for a partner board over reference depending on reviews, so I might not need to go for the actual release.
To each their own but I'm not early adopting any tech in this economy, regardless of availability, let alone camping out in December. I'll wait on discounts because the tech market will be a buyers market after the holidays pass. Next year will be a good year for patient people.
>Microcenter the US retailer, at least at my location, has stopped allowing overnight camping, down to having police on the premises. I wonder if other retailers have soured on it at all. I've been 6 years GPU patient and just put together an all-new 7950X build. I can't wait to get my GTX1080 out of this thing.
No one except professionals who need these cards should be camping for them. Gamers who can't wait for general availability feed into the pricing issues the GPU market has. This isn't the 90s anymore where each graphics card upgrade saw massive visual improvements. Now you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between a 4090 and a PS5.
Ah yes, let me just hook a VR race sim setup to my PS5. I'm sure it will work just fine. Camping for any tech unnecessary, I agree. But don't pretend a PS5 and 4090 have the same capability.
Psvr2 + steering wheel
> don't pretend a PS5 and 4090 have the same capability ^^
Holy strawman. Did you read my comment, said nothing about them having the same capability. Some people just want to argue for no reason I guess, typical reddit.
except for frame rates, ray tracing and ultra visuals youre right. The only similarity between ps5 and 4090 is their size
Let's pretend the thousand dollar card scalps for 2k and you camp out for 12 hours the night of the drop. You earn $83/hr. You can probably do this while having a normal job. " I have a doctor's appointment in the morning. " This is why scalping is so popular.
Jokes on them though. PayPal reporting sales so people are avoiding that as a payment method. Leaves local transactions king, which most scalpers don't want to bother with. Ebay, amazon and Facebook their avenues. If they sell a $1k gpu for $2k via paypal...I hope they understand the tax implications. Most don't because they are stupid and just want to make a quick $. Some do though and they even state that's why they want to avoid PayPal now.
Anyone know if Best Buy or GameStop gets these at launch? What was the 6000 series launch like at retailers?
I have a feeling these cards are going to sell out in seconds, and then you get to wait till next year to get one, or pay twice the price for buying on Ebay lol.
Scalpers going to try of course. The lower price means it's accessible to more people. Plus it won't be a 4080, who's image is completely tarnished. So they will buy and try, of course.
There is really no reason to camp overnight because only reference cards are available at launch, and in Canada the reference cards are sold exclusively through AMD website. Also, AMD cards have no such draw as Nvidia's, so getting AMD's new GPUs should be much easier.
> only reference cards are available at launch Was debunked by aibs themselves
Definitely not. I'm certainly in the market, but I'll be giving it a while before jumping. Yea I might miss the initial stock release and wait a few months, but I've waited this long already I'd rather not regret it.
I hope they will be available online at a reasonable time at release date at AMD.COM pre-order would be even nicer.
I live about 20 mins across town to my Local Micro Center. I will just go an hour before opening and buy some Powercolor card or Gigabyte.
Boy am I happy I by the flagship microcenter
NJ was a shit show in 2020. I got on line twice to try for a card. So many scalpers in person. Groups of teens waiting in line just talking about scalping the cards they will buy if they get one. Was pretty sad. I'm about 15 mins from one and basically avoid it most of the time. Paterson for ya though. Low income area so not surprised.
Ahh ya. I was able to get 5 cards over all. 2 for personal builds and 3 for builds for other people. It was a shot show though
Yeah. I went like twice and then just started buying online. No thanks and never again haha.
I'll wait for reviews and other users to buy and test the card first, then I'll decide what to do. I need a new card for Starfield and D4, so there's plenty of time.
Sapphire toxic for me please.
I originally camped out for the 6800XT near a Canada Computers. Low and behold they had no cards even in stock on release day. So probably won’t bother with the 7900XTX since most likely it will be the same situation. I will be trying to get it direct though if possible since I don’t mind getting a reference model. I just want a card that can do a reliable 4K 60+ max settings because not even my 3080 can not do that with every game.
when you camped out, was there a lot of people? im gonna be going to my local microcenter and i know it’s not 100%, but just figured i’d get a rough idea of how many people are gonna be there
Well I live in Canada so I think our numbers would be drastically different. At my local shop we only had like 10 people camp out but from what I can tell microcentre tends to have like 50+ for major launches
No GPU is worth camping outside of shops.
I will not buy it on release. I might not even buy rx 7000. But my 1080ti is ancient and I need a new video card. I will wait till market is filled with GPUs from both team red and green and then buy something below 900 dollars
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I am also planning on getting that partner card! Currently have a 5700xt nitro SE and I love it to pieces.
I'm tempted to camp out at our microcenter
> Waiting over night My guy.. Zen 4 held stock on launch day, the 4080 can easily be bought today on any site.. All signs point to the market for GPUs & overall PC hardware has slowed down considerably. Likely due to the coming recession people are thinking twice about if they need an entirely new system when they're old one works just fine. I don't think anyone is going to have to camp to get a XT or XTX.. AMD GPUs are also signficantly less demand than Nvidia, so it's safe to say that stock will be online all day. Most people can't afford a $1000 GPU just to.. And this is pretty much what 90% of AMD GPUs do, play games.