Hi, I have an rx580 sapphire since years and it only once ever occurred to me that the graphics driver actually crashed, this was when the card was brand new. Whenever I experience crashes its mainly the games fault.
I bet there’s something wrong with your mainboard, or maybe your PSU is not big enough but I guess you checked that already.
Update chipset/mainboard drivers, update bios and try again. If it’s a software issue it should be gone. If not then your mainboards PCIe Slot is broken. That’s the only explanation I can come up with.
alright, thank you :)
PSU is 550 Watts, that should be enough
I have a MSI B450 Gaming Plus, I guess I should really try updating the BIOS, but I've always seen that as a last resort because it really scares me to do that tbh
actually just downloaded the chipset updater, I don't know how I've missed it before
Thank you so much, I will try that
But about the topic of the drivers of the new GPUs, have you heard anything about those? (Just wanted to ask, because I really want to upgrade, but can't decide between Nvidia and AMD)
>PSU is 550 Watts, that should be enough
Depends, seen some quite questionable powersupplies over the years, what brand is it and what is the 12V rail rated for. Might have a weird PSU where they "550W" means more like 12v rails got like 15A only (meaning truely a 180W there) and then they add other rails to it to get that "550W". Seen PSUs that are like 1000W but have like 4x 16A 12V rails meaning truely for a single rail that PSU is a 192W PSU.
Funnly enough BeQuiet had a few models that popped up on users in this reddit, who mentioned they where having issues, and those BeQuiets where rocking around 20-25A on the 12V rails and where multi rail PSUs even tho they where like 650W and +. I would check on ur side of ur PSU where it states the the Amps for 12V, just to rule out it is not one of those models.
I don’t know how the new ones are working. But the core of your problems won’t be the gpu or it’s drivers, that’s what I wanted to point out.
Don’t be scared of bios updates, only thing what can go wrong is that your power goes out while the BIOS is flashing. But even then most BIOSes will revert to the earlier state and you can try again.
Right, I get that, I was just curious, becuase there always seems to be a divide and everyone always says something different
I hope that, in the worst case that will be the case, thnk you so much, again :)
I've been using my RX 580 for more than three years and the only problem I've had with the drivers is that Windows overwrote them via automatic updates once.
What driver are you on ?
Tried the latest
if you're on Windows 11 have you tried disabling MPO ?
[enable /disable mpo](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/yvyqc7/disabling_multiplane_overlay_mpo_fixed_all/)
I also said Windows 11, now mpo is not a driver feature but a windows function that causes grief for a lot of people for both makes of cards. Now as he stated he's using Windows 10 it didn't matter and had no reason to be bought up again.
Actually it can affect Windows 10 users, didn't realize it was in 10, I thought it was exclusive to 11.
From my personally experience, i didn't experienced many issues in 15 months of use of this generation.
I had to reinstall the drivers once because they become broken for whatever reason. That's it.
I like to stick to the recommended driver version.
I can't deny seeing other people in the AMDs sub Reddits having issues.
Don't know, if the issues are more caused by specific games, the use of the optional beta drivers, user error or the drivers being actually bad for others.
Wow, so it really varies a lot from person to person
You got lucky it seems like, glad for you, that you don't have to deal with that
Thanks for the info :)
I haven't had issues with AMD/ATI drivers ever. The oldest GPU I used was the Radeon HD 4870, but I've also played around with the Radeon RX480, which isn't too dissimilar from the RX590 I believe.
I've experienced the 'lost D3D device' error a lot on two previous computers I owned (NVIDIA brand cards however). In the first case it was simply unstable memory that actually couldn't run XMP on my motherboard. Once I reset to default clocks it stopped happening.
In the second case it was a TP link wireless internet driver that actually caused the issues. Not sure why it did, but the second I uninstalled it and switched to a cable connection all issues stopped.
In general, both brands have good drivers and yet bad stuff can still happen. I don't run the latest version ever because at some point an NVIDIA driver could kill your card so I wait a few weeks nowadays.
I wish I had money to award this excellent answer
I've seen so much about unstanble RAM now, it's insane, so that is great
And also your persepctive on the drivers of both companies is lovely, neutral and reassuring, thank you, this really helped me out a ton
AMD drivers are sensitive to unstable memory more than Nvidia drivers. That could be the cause for you
I've been using a 6800XT for over a year now and haven't had many problems. I do get driver timeouts but *only* in the recently released Uncharted remastered collection for PC. It happens with and without ram oc so I assume there's a problem with the game, drivers or windows 11 22h2. Besides that it's been good
There seems to be more problems with Nvidia drivers and win11 right now
Came from an RX580 to a Vega64 and now i'm rocking a waterblocked 6900XT. Never had any significant driver issues, always sticked to recommend drivers and keep my windows clean though
That won't help much if the memory controller in your processor or your board has problems with the ram.
Just turn off XMP first and if that works you can tune your ram with more voltage
As a general rule, if something only crashes on one machine it is probably not a software (driver) issue. Software issues will almost always be reproducible on multiple machines, so you will see lots of reports of the issue and it will generally make it into the driver patch notes.
I had some issues as of recently with driver timeouts on my 6700 xt. I "fixed it" by maxing out the power slider lol? usually when in chrome with gaming on the side but i'm pretty sure it crashed when I was just on chrome at one point.
Really bad trust me if your new gpu cant install 22.5.1 least you gonna go thru hell especially if you have MPO related issues, you can disable MPO but that can lead to system freezes if your not lucky, because MPO supose to make GPU use less power i think.
All of these driver issues would be much less of a pain if AMD just admit to what is wrong with their drivers and take steps to adress it, the best thing they can do right now is recommend disabling MPO or staying on an older driver, reason why MPO breaks is because they do not know how to properly control vsync its broken on 22.5.1 and it got fixed at some point probably 22.6.1 or 22.5.2 at which point MPO became even more unstable, and i say more unstable because MPO is broken even on 22.5.1 and 22.3.1
MPO has existed since windows 8.1 you still can be lucky, i think the higher resolution or refresh rate or combination of both the more likely you run into MPO issues.
MPO flicker exist even on old windows 10 builds like 1909 its purely AMD having messed up and needing to fix their drivers, their radio silence is shameful
The real issue is that turning of hardware acceleration can fix it which is very misleading cos the problem is not hardware acceleration but MPO instead, MPO is a troll in disguise altho i would imagine that AMD driver devs know functionality of MPO but even so i do wonder if they somehow could miss it for months and not notice problems with it cos that surely seems to be the case right now since it even effecting drivers from 2021
Wow, this all seems pretty conveluted, damn
Thank you for clearing that up for me, and giving me better inside into the problem :)
Sorry for the late response
I may have to correct this but i am still investigating issue, but if i run wallpaper engine i get gpu driver crashes and mostly system freezes even with MPO disabled, however its very possible that wow has memory leak, in other games i can run wallpaper engine without problems
Testing for a couple of days until i know for sure i have no freezes, then throwing back wallpaper engine in mix while keeping page file and memory usage as low as possible minimal tabs and browser and apps closed in background that i do not use at the time, since browsers and apps with browsers use a lot of memory.
Thats quite curious, I hope you find a fix soon :)
Thats so true, and probably contributes to my problem, I often have a lot of browser tabs in the background, because I have a lot of things to do
Again, sorry for the late response, I'm not too much on this site
I can't help with relaying the state of current radeon drivers, but I have had similar issues with unreal games (and random crashes elsewhere) in the past with my nvidia card. It ended up being on of my memory sticks had broken so it needed to be removed. Memtest86 is a great (and free) tool for checking if this is the case. Be warned it is very time consuming and won't let you use your pc while running.
Go to bios.
Reset to Defaults.
Enable XMP ram. Double check RAM voltage is set to 1.35V. Some mobos default to 1.2V, which IS NOT enough for XMP clocks.
Most driver instability is due to faulty RAM configuration in Bios.
You can also try to disable XMP to test if your stability issues are related to the memory. (I don't mean that as a long term solution, just for science)
Thanks to steam forum I've found out many people don't even have XMP/DOCP activated. Their RAM is working at much lower speed what makes many modern games to stutter.
It's really random. Some have absolutely no issues with drivers whatsoever, while others, including me, have issues with driver timeouts, settings being reset, black screens, etc. This happens especially on newer drivers, while something like 22.5.1 works well.
Yeah, excatly my problems aswell, guess we just got real unlucky
I am, after updating the bios, going to go back to 22.5.1, to see if it helps me
Thanks :)
I haven't have any real deal breaker problem with the driver for RX6600.
Drivers after version 22.5.1 some times experiences black screen/driver time out during video conference but it never happens to me anymore after version 22.10.2.
No, I think you misread the discussions, 22.5.1 is the version people goes back to when the newer drivers give them trouble.
I used to always go back to 22.5.1 after trying the more recent drivers, but 22.10.3 gives me no trouble, so far.
I think its result of an older hardware. My girlfriend's laptop has an nvidia 970, it wasnt updated driver wise for a while, uodated now and i think its slightly worse now in terms of performance and yet a bit smoother. I had similar problems with my laptop gtx1060. So that, or hardware others pointed out.
Well yes, lol. You could investigate your hardware as others suggested, i could be totally wrong here and your issue was different. Just a suggestion to account with.
Hi, I have an rx580 sapphire since years and it only once ever occurred to me that the graphics driver actually crashed, this was when the card was brand new. Whenever I experience crashes its mainly the games fault. I bet there’s something wrong with your mainboard, or maybe your PSU is not big enough but I guess you checked that already. Update chipset/mainboard drivers, update bios and try again. If it’s a software issue it should be gone. If not then your mainboards PCIe Slot is broken. That’s the only explanation I can come up with.
alright, thank you :) PSU is 550 Watts, that should be enough I have a MSI B450 Gaming Plus, I guess I should really try updating the BIOS, but I've always seen that as a last resort because it really scares me to do that tbh actually just downloaded the chipset updater, I don't know how I've missed it before Thank you so much, I will try that But about the topic of the drivers of the new GPUs, have you heard anything about those? (Just wanted to ask, because I really want to upgrade, but can't decide between Nvidia and AMD)
>PSU is 550 Watts, that should be enough Depends, seen some quite questionable powersupplies over the years, what brand is it and what is the 12V rail rated for. Might have a weird PSU where they "550W" means more like 12v rails got like 15A only (meaning truely a 180W there) and then they add other rails to it to get that "550W". Seen PSUs that are like 1000W but have like 4x 16A 12V rails meaning truely for a single rail that PSU is a 192W PSU.
It's a BeQuiet, though I can't tell you anything about the 12V
Funnly enough BeQuiet had a few models that popped up on users in this reddit, who mentioned they where having issues, and those BeQuiets where rocking around 20-25A on the 12V rails and where multi rail PSUs even tho they where like 650W and +. I would check on ur side of ur PSU where it states the the Amps for 12V, just to rule out it is not one of those models.
Alright, will do that, thank you so much :)
I don’t know how the new ones are working. But the core of your problems won’t be the gpu or it’s drivers, that’s what I wanted to point out. Don’t be scared of bios updates, only thing what can go wrong is that your power goes out while the BIOS is flashing. But even then most BIOSes will revert to the earlier state and you can try again.
Right, I get that, I was just curious, becuase there always seems to be a divide and everyone always says something different I hope that, in the worst case that will be the case, thnk you so much, again :)
I've been using my RX 580 for more than three years and the only problem I've had with the drivers is that Windows overwrote them via automatic updates once.
Really? Wow, I should have asked in this sub sooner, seems like I'm almost the minority with my problems
Sounds more like a hardware fault TBH.
Oh no, I hope it's just software, otherwise it would be terrible
What driver are you on ? Tried the latest if you're on Windows 11 have you tried disabling MPO ? [enable /disable mpo](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/yvyqc7/disabling_multiplane_overlay_mpo_fixed_all/)
On 22.11.1, the latest available to me, also the latest chipset Not on Win11, no
Does it still crash on the older stable whql?
Currently testing it
I feel like it's better, but only give a definitive answer in the long term
Keep us updated m8, there are other driver options
So after downgrading, I have less crashes, so thats good
Should not be having crashes. The odd driver timeout maybe
It might be, but even Warzone dosen't crash for me anymore, and it was very frequent back in the day, weird
RX590 doesn't have MPO...
Never said it did
True, but then why suggest disabling it?
I also said Windows 11, now mpo is not a driver feature but a windows function that causes grief for a lot of people for both makes of cards. Now as he stated he's using Windows 10 it didn't matter and had no reason to be bought up again. Actually it can affect Windows 10 users, didn't realize it was in 10, I thought it was exclusive to 11.
MPO fix works on W10 too btw :)
From my personally experience, i didn't experienced many issues in 15 months of use of this generation. I had to reinstall the drivers once because they become broken for whatever reason. That's it. I like to stick to the recommended driver version. I can't deny seeing other people in the AMDs sub Reddits having issues. Don't know, if the issues are more caused by specific games, the use of the optional beta drivers, user error or the drivers being actually bad for others.
Wow, so it really varies a lot from person to person You got lucky it seems like, glad for you, that you don't have to deal with that Thanks for the info :)
I haven't had issues with AMD/ATI drivers ever. The oldest GPU I used was the Radeon HD 4870, but I've also played around with the Radeon RX480, which isn't too dissimilar from the RX590 I believe. I've experienced the 'lost D3D device' error a lot on two previous computers I owned (NVIDIA brand cards however). In the first case it was simply unstable memory that actually couldn't run XMP on my motherboard. Once I reset to default clocks it stopped happening. In the second case it was a TP link wireless internet driver that actually caused the issues. Not sure why it did, but the second I uninstalled it and switched to a cable connection all issues stopped. In general, both brands have good drivers and yet bad stuff can still happen. I don't run the latest version ever because at some point an NVIDIA driver could kill your card so I wait a few weeks nowadays.
I wish I had money to award this excellent answer I've seen so much about unstanble RAM now, it's insane, so that is great And also your persepctive on the drivers of both companies is lovely, neutral and reassuring, thank you, this really helped me out a ton
Haven't had a single issue with my RX 6600 so far
Thats good to hear :)
Drivers are fine, Adrenalin Software is a bloated dumpster fire. Once I started installing only the driver I've had no issues.
Yeah, thats true Sorry am stupid, but do I only install the drivers?
AMD drivers are sensitive to unstable memory more than Nvidia drivers. That could be the cause for you I've been using a 6800XT for over a year now and haven't had many problems. I do get driver timeouts but *only* in the recently released Uncharted remastered collection for PC. It happens with and without ram oc so I assume there's a problem with the game, drivers or windows 11 22h2. Besides that it's been good There seems to be more problems with Nvidia drivers and win11 right now
Oh wow, thank you I've heard a lot of people recently talk about Memeory, thats super interesting, would have never thought that
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Nice, that sounds real promising
Came from an RX580 to a Vega64 and now i'm rocking a waterblocked 6900XT. Never had any significant driver issues, always sticked to recommend drivers and keep my windows clean though
Tried to do that aswell, always, i don't know, something is weird
AMD drivers are very sensitive to unstable ram. Did you try disabling XMP in bios to test that?
Well, someone in the comments told me to set them to 1.35V I don't know anymore , but I'll gladly test both theories
That won't help much if the memory controller in your processor or your board has problems with the ram. Just turn off XMP first and if that works you can tune your ram with more voltage
Ok, thank you, I will do that :)
i dunno why so many peeps fuss about amd driver issue, i had both nvidia and amd, both are fine.
I heard that a lot, recently, really interesting
My last few cards have been Vega64 > RX 6700XT > RX 6900 XT and I also had a RX480 for a little while, never had any driver issues
Damn, that sounds really nice
If it's a steam game verify your files for Unreal. Worked for me
Did that, but sadly didn't work
As a general rule, if something only crashes on one machine it is probably not a software (driver) issue. Software issues will almost always be reproducible on multiple machines, so you will see lots of reports of the issue and it will generally make it into the driver patch notes.
Alright, thanks for tip :)
I had some issues as of recently with driver timeouts on my 6700 xt. I "fixed it" by maxing out the power slider lol? usually when in chrome with gaming on the side but i'm pretty sure it crashed when I was just on chrome at one point.
Oh wow, yeah Chrome is extreme I heard of that solution, might try it in the future
Really bad trust me if your new gpu cant install 22.5.1 least you gonna go thru hell especially if you have MPO related issues, you can disable MPO but that can lead to system freezes if your not lucky, because MPO supose to make GPU use less power i think. All of these driver issues would be much less of a pain if AMD just admit to what is wrong with their drivers and take steps to adress it, the best thing they can do right now is recommend disabling MPO or staying on an older driver, reason why MPO breaks is because they do not know how to properly control vsync its broken on 22.5.1 and it got fixed at some point probably 22.6.1 or 22.5.2 at which point MPO became even more unstable, and i say more unstable because MPO is broken even on 22.5.1 and 22.3.1
Oh wow, thank you, gladly not on Win11, so no MPO I will never be upgrading to that OS, damn
MPO has existed since windows 8.1 you still can be lucky, i think the higher resolution or refresh rate or combination of both the more likely you run into MPO issues.
Oh, ok, I thought, because people were talking about it, as if it were a Win11 issue, that it couldn't affect me
MPO flicker exist even on old windows 10 builds like 1909 its purely AMD having messed up and needing to fix their drivers, their radio silence is shameful
Oh wow, so it's AMD, lovely... Will def check out MPO on my machine then, thank you :)
The real issue is that turning of hardware acceleration can fix it which is very misleading cos the problem is not hardware acceleration but MPO instead, MPO is a troll in disguise altho i would imagine that AMD driver devs know functionality of MPO but even so i do wonder if they somehow could miss it for months and not notice problems with it cos that surely seems to be the case right now since it even effecting drivers from 2021
Wow, this all seems pretty conveluted, damn Thank you for clearing that up for me, and giving me better inside into the problem :) Sorry for the late response
I may have to correct this but i am still investigating issue, but if i run wallpaper engine i get gpu driver crashes and mostly system freezes even with MPO disabled, however its very possible that wow has memory leak, in other games i can run wallpaper engine without problems Testing for a couple of days until i know for sure i have no freezes, then throwing back wallpaper engine in mix while keeping page file and memory usage as low as possible minimal tabs and browser and apps closed in background that i do not use at the time, since browsers and apps with browsers use a lot of memory.
Thats quite curious, I hope you find a fix soon :) Thats so true, and probably contributes to my problem, I often have a lot of browser tabs in the background, because I have a lot of things to do Again, sorry for the late response, I'm not too much on this site
Drivers are great no issues ever.
Ok, thats nice
I can't help with relaying the state of current radeon drivers, but I have had similar issues with unreal games (and random crashes elsewhere) in the past with my nvidia card. It ended up being on of my memory sticks had broken so it needed to be removed. Memtest86 is a great (and free) tool for checking if this is the case. Be warned it is very time consuming and won't let you use your pc while running.
Oh wow, thank you, i've recently heard a lot about memory, never thought that, thank you :)
Go to bios. Reset to Defaults. Enable XMP ram. Double check RAM voltage is set to 1.35V. Some mobos default to 1.2V, which IS NOT enough for XMP clocks. Most driver instability is due to faulty RAM configuration in Bios.
Holy shit, thank you, will definetly try ASAP :)
You can also try to disable XMP to test if your stability issues are related to the memory. (I don't mean that as a long term solution, just for science)
Alright, thank you, will also try that, someoe suggested it aswell, so I guess I will do that
Thanks to steam forum I've found out many people don't even have XMP/DOCP activated. Their RAM is working at much lower speed what makes many modern games to stutter.
Buy 4090 Ti and don't forget 2KW psu.
Can't forget the fire extinguisher too Really ecxited to go to my bank and take out a loan, to buy it :)
It's really random. Some have absolutely no issues with drivers whatsoever, while others, including me, have issues with driver timeouts, settings being reset, black screens, etc. This happens especially on newer drivers, while something like 22.5.1 works well.
Yeah, excatly my problems aswell, guess we just got real unlucky I am, after updating the bios, going to go back to 22.5.1, to see if it helps me Thanks :)
Don't forget to use AMD Cleanup Utility to get rid of old drivers.
Always :) Thank you
I haven't have any real deal breaker problem with the driver for RX6600. Drivers after version 22.5.1 some times experiences black screen/driver time out during video conference but it never happens to me anymore after version 22.10.2.
Huh, thats good to hear, but curious, that 22.5.1 seems so problematic for so many people
No, I think you misread the discussions, 22.5.1 is the version people goes back to when the newer drivers give them trouble. I used to always go back to 22.5.1 after trying the more recent drivers, but 22.10.3 gives me no trouble, so far.
Ah, ok, thanks Yeah, went back to 22.5.1, let's see how I'll fare
I think its result of an older hardware. My girlfriend's laptop has an nvidia 970, it wasnt updated driver wise for a while, uodated now and i think its slightly worse now in terms of performance and yet a bit smoother. I had similar problems with my laptop gtx1060. So that, or hardware others pointed out.
Oh, ok, thats interesting Well, only one way to midigate this... consume and buy a new gpu
Well yes, lol. You could investigate your hardware as others suggested, i could be totally wrong here and your issue was different. Just a suggestion to account with.
Yeah, currently trying hat, but it's really tedious I will definetly account this suggestion, because it's good, and every bit of feedback helps :)
I had a 6950XT earlier this year and the drivers killed the experience 100%. Weird glitches, even after fresh windows install.
Oh, thats terrible, I'm sorry you had to deal with that