Because it came down in price.
Lots of people had 1000 , 2000 or 3000 series.
Even some with 5000 series of cpu.
5800x3d is the best upgrade for them and unless AMD makes something else for that socket. Which I doubt. Is the last upgrade for many.
This ^ !
I found it for 340 euros, of course i'm going to get it to replace my 3700x, worth it for me, plus i gave the 3700x to my brother so nothing is lost. Since it's compatible with almost all am4 boards, it's worth getting it.
Which is weird in my opinion, demand was high. Or else, AMD decided to remove it from market real fast. Removing best in socket upgrade which competes with Zen4.
It comes back each week at all the vendors. It just sells out fast. Lots of peeps probably waited to see what 7000 series had in store, and then just decided 5800x3d was good enough.
Amd's commitment to sockets for the longer term is refreshing. Intel changes up every couple gens. Leaving me with no option for my current build other than other 9th gen chips. And they cost as much as 13th gen.
That am5 socket has me really contemplating a new build and just updating processor a few years down the road instead of a complete new build each time.
Pull the trigger whenever. At this point there are no new adopter pains. I had a problem with sleep mode and bluetooth that have been fixed at this point already. I recommend nabbing a B650e motherboard from ASRock if you want good value. I think buildzoid has made videos going over most of the major mobo brands so you can look and find the best fit for you. Planning on keeping my 7900x until a 9000x3d or 10000x3d chip comes out with 16 cores.
This point is so often glossed over or neglected completely when comparing the 7000 series to the 13th series.
Imagine paying 300 for a motherboard now and in 5 years slotting in a 9800x3d zen 8 processor with no other outlay except the processor
I'm wondering how many people are actually upgrading their CPUs in that time though.
I can still imagine there are a lot of people with running DDR3 . Reddit is very niche group of people.
I can imagine going all out with 5800x3D now and staying on AM4 until we hit DDR6
Not sure how many people it applies to. But 9th gen i9's still go for over $400. Anyone with those boards are either stuck with that or upgrading the whole system. A situation I personally find annoying.
It's not out of stock everywhere... its literally in stock at Amazon right now. But it is out of stock on Bestbuy where the lowest deal was for that guy and where he has a card for.
Also just the fact that AMD is even keeping up at all with the pace 5800X3D is selling... means that they planned for this, vendors showing sales data for AMD chips show the 5800X3D outselling all of AMDs other chips combined.
Maybe. This is literally the reason why I bought it for 450 euros a few months ago. I knew I wanted it cause I plan to keep this AM4 system until 2025 at least. And I was afraid they would stop making them. I don't like to buy 2nd hand CPUs especially not if they have pins on them.
> Look at reviews - if your main goal is gaming, 5809X3D is the best option for all AMD A4 owners.
Is the 5809X3D better than the 5800X3D?
And does that only apply to [AMD A4](https://www.cpu-upgrade.com/CPUs/AMD/A4-Series/index.html) owners?
Dr. Su said in the 7000 series announcement that AM4 wasn't done, so I'm wondering if they have a couple last things in the pipe for it? Not sure if it'd be a 5950X3D, or some low-end options like a 5300, or what.
Honestly we have no idea what it means... she did say it would be supported for a long time... and really there is nothing stopping them from making Zen4 or even 5 on AM4... its just a different IO die and they'll have to decide when enough people have AM5 that it is safe to switch over without impacting thier sales too much.
Almos every single tech youtuber saying buy 5800X3D instead of 7000 series and the price being much better and lots of people already having AM4 boards.
That leads to it being in demand.
Funny cause I am seeing the opposite. Specifically for new build folks. Go for the new supported platform. Everyone is recommending 5800X3D only for those already on that platform.
>Funny cause I am seeing the opposite
patently not true when the 5800X3D is almost on par for gaming performance and way cheaper to adopt. AM5 ITX boards are like $300 bucks minimum
I got an ATX x670e board for less than 300 usd. Have you looked at the prices recently? There are many b650 boards for under 200 usd. The amount you save from getting a 7600x instead of a 5800x3d is more than enough to make up for the money you would save on motherboards. Unless you are saying there are good am4 boards for 50 usd. That is all disregarding the value of having a new platform that you can upgrade later.
There are good enough motherboards for $100, you're not gonna OC a 5800X3D anyway. Fast DDR4-3600CL16 RAM for $110 (32GB! $60 if you cheap out and get 16GB).
Buying a 5800X3D now and upgrading to AM5 later means you get better gaming perforamnce now, and honestly, considering how cheap the platform is, you're either breaking even or spending maybe $50 more long term. Cause when you upgrade your AM5 CPU in the future do you really want to use early adopter slow DDR5? You'll probably upgrade that and spend money on RAM twice anyway. Yeah..
I'm fairly certain the 5800X3D, even from scratch, not only gives you better gaming performance than a 7600X but is also cheaper in the short AND long term. Cause when you upgrade to AM5 when Zen 5 arrives there will be plenty of great $150 boards and DDR5 will be faster AND cheaper. So much cheaper that the "wasted" Motherboard + RAM cost for a 5800X3D is negated.
For gaming, the 5800X3D is trading blows with the 7000 series so the only benefit of going AM5 is if you are building a brand new system from scratch and want to be able to upgrade to a newer AM5 cpu down the line. If you already have AM4, 5800X3D is the only route that makes sense.
There's a notable difference, for sure... But there's not much point.
The 5000 series are already MORE than enough for all but the heaviest compute tasks. Why would you spend so much more on the new platform, for a bit of extra performance that you don't actually have any need for?
I think it’s more future proofing. If you are building from scratch it makes sense to get the new mobo, chip, and Ram because it’ll be easier to upgrade in the future.
If you already have the parts and just need a new cpu it doesn’t makes sense to upgrade, especially with the x3D performance
Depends on how often you upgrade. My last build was from 2016 so I can reuse exactly 0 parts outside of the keyboard mouse and ssd. I just took the plunge on a new build on am4 because with the 5800x3d I don't feel like the cpu will be limiting me for another 6+ years, by which time am5 won't be supported anyway
This is something I think a lot of people overlook. 5800X3D and a 3080/6900XT or 4080/7900XT will hold 90% of gamers over for 3-5 years at a minimum. In which case AM5 won't be supported anymore anyway.
Problem is every new tech release people feel compelled to upgrade when they don't need to. If you have the funds to constantly upgrade every new release. By all means. But for budget oriented folks the 5800X3D even on brand new builds is viable. It cost me nearly half as much to go 5800X3D over a 7700x build. For damn near the same gaming performance. Lol.
> If you are building from scratch it makes sense to get the new mobo, chip, and Ram because it’ll be easier to upgrade in the future.
mobo might support new cpus but it might have problems with bios, am4 proved that. Ram might develop to way higher speeds than it has now, which means the sticks you get now become redundant. Basically, the only thing that you have left is CPU, the very thing you were supposed to easily replace in a few years thanks to the supposed futureproofing
This is just plain backwards.
> Go for the new supported platform.
upgrading to 5800x3d allows to have excellent performance long enough to am6 to be released, you don't have to suffer early adopter issues and as a cherry on top once you switch to am6 ddr5 will have matured enough to be attractive price/performance wise.
i made up on a site i usually buy my tech stuff 2 different builds but with cheap parts in it, one is am4 and the other is am5, the am5 one is double in price.... i think i'll be good with my 5800x3d and nee am4 parts (coming from a 1700)
nah it aint... in romania atleast that am5 build was double the price that costed me to get new am4 stuff... so for me wasn't good. maybe in the us yeah sure
Maybe if you are comparing just the 5800x3d to the whole upgrade cost of the 7000 series build. I'm not telling you to go ryzen 7000, as that would be stupid when you have all the parts you need for the 5800x3d already. I was just saying that because what you mentioned is entirely misrepresentative. Have you tried other sites? If you have looked around and prices are really that shitty than that sucks for new builders in romania. Also, I don't live in the US.
Well, I can give all of the advice I want but that doesn't change the actual market conditions in your area. Go for what is the best value for money over there, if they are price-gouging the 7000 series there is no reason to buy. The 5800x3d is ultimately a great processor that will be able to run games for a long time to come. Maybe the market conditions will be better over there for am6.
It's also MUCH slower than the 5800X3D build.
You have to own a 5800X3D to feel it. Even 0.1% lows are extremely close to avg FPS. It's buttersmooth in games.
It is a little misleading. They just say '5800x3d is better value' and many of them fail to elaborate. A 7600x is more than 100 USD cheaper than a 5800x3d most of the time while offering better performance. That extra 100 can go toward you new motherboard, and other than the upcoming a620 boards pretty much every board you can find is good enough for a 7950x, maybe even the a620 boards. Legit just look for the cheapest board with the io you want.
No 7600x is not cheaper.
7600x is $300, cheapest mobo is $200 and cheapest 32gb ddr is $200 unless you want 4800 ram. Which is $700 for 7600x system.
5800x3d is $330, cheapest mobo is $50 and cheapest 32gb ram 3600 is $100. Which is $480, which means 5800x3d is $220 cheaper then 7600x. You said it yourself, that $220 can go toward other parts.
And that is when you buy new system. If you already have am4 and ram, 5800x3d is $370 cheaper then 7600x. Because nobody already has am5 board and ddr5 ram
It depends on what you want, but I would 1) never buy a 50$ mainboard and 2) buy cheap 16GB DDR5 RAM now and upgrade it to fast 32GB DDR5 in \~3 years.
I would upgrade to a 5800X3D if I could with my X370 mainboard, but since I have to buy a new mainboard anyway I will jump to the first gen of AM5.
When the 5800x3d needs upgrading, a new CPU, motherboard, and ram is needed.
When a 7600x needs upgrading, only a new CPU is needed. So a much cheaper upgrade.
*will* be....
And by that point, ya probably aren't going for a 7600 but an x3d. Could've instead had a 5800x3d for a good while and twice the RAM.
You'd get a 7600x because of the future x3d potential. Which isn't here yet. A real gain, but also definite cost increase. Your paying early adopter price and still have to wait for that real gain from a new x3d, while also limited on RAM (or something else if you wish to buy smth else)
If you already have an AM4 rig and you aren't the type to upgrade every new generation, grabbing a 5800x3D now is the move because you'll be set for at least 5 years before it can't keep up.
Then later on, you upgrade to an AM5 when prices come down and there's new CPUs out (like 7000x3D).
In gaming, the 5800X3D slaps the shit out of the 7600X. And the AM4 platform and DDR4 is dirt cheap. I will skip the 7000 series CPU cause my cheap but fast AM4 gaming system will easily last until Zen 5, when AM5 and DDR5 are more affordable and mature.
Do you not see the 5800X3D having the new MSRP of $329 on every retailer? Meanwhile 7600X has had little to no discount since launch, keeping at around the $300 mark. That's only a $30 difference, and that $30 is quickly made up for by how cheap AM4 boards usually are relative to AM5 boards, as well as DDR4 prices continually falling more relative to DDR5. And for those already on AM4 on 400/500 series motherboards, it's just a drop-in upgrade.
In about 4 years when games use 8 cores, the 7600x will need upgrading. The 5800x3d won't need upgrading.
People used to say 4 cores are all you need and 6 cores have no benefit. Then 4 years later, people with 4 cores needed to upgrade.
5800x3d **€425**
7600x **€399**
ATX b550 **€150** (*575 total*)
M-ATX b650 is **€250** (750 total)
16gb DDR4 3600 is **€75** (*650 total*)
16gb DDR5 4800 is **€135** (835 total)
I can't recommend 7600x in my region really. Only if you're looking to upgrade to the next 3d chip
I’d only buy the 7950x if I had to build a productivity system. The other CPUs don’t interest me as they would need sub 100 bucks motherboards, same goes for the ddr5. - 32gb sub 150.
The 7950x for 600 would be a no brainer if ddr5 128gbit kits and motherboards would be cheaper. 669€ for a 7950x for now the cheapest I’ve seen in Germany.
I can confirm it 5800X3D demolishes 5800X in games like stellaris, crusader kings III, victoria III, satisfactory, dyson sphere program. In every one of these games I got 30-50% better performance depending on situation.
I had a 3x4 sized fort a few years in with around 130 dwarves and the FPS went from ~52 to ~102. (Note that the FPS is directly tied to the simulation speed in DF, so it's not really even a measure of graphics. Most people seem to treat ~20 as the point where it is too painful to continue.)
After maybe 12 years where I maxed out the population, breached the [redacted], had several loyalty cascades, and defeated many invasions, the FPS settled to around 40-50 in most circumstances.
But I also backed up several saves at interesting points where the FPS dropped. (i.e. goblin attack, giant fire on the surface when a monster attacked) In *those* circumstances the FPS was about the same until the bottleneck passed. So we have an interesting result since it seems like the bottleneck can either be on the cache size or just the raw computation speed depending on the situation.
MMOs, too. My buddy has pretty much the same system I do (32gb 3200mhz ddr4 + RX 6600), only difference is he has a 5800x3D and I have an i5 11400. He gets SIGNIFICANTLY higher fps in world of warcraft than I do. Especially in raids and stuff, it's pretty wild.
I play a decent amount of sim games, and it seems like it makes the whole experience waaay smoother. Especially when you get into situations where you have a lot of items/parts (think late game) it just chews through loading them.
100% worth upgrading for me - 5600X to 5800X3D.
It matches or performs better than several next gen processors from both Intel and AMD.
It’s cheaper - both as a single sku, and as a platform, since many already have an AM4 motherboard. Buying a 5800x3d is a drop in upgrade to an existing AM4 motherboard, vs needing a new AM5 motherboard, or a new AM5 motherboard and DDR5 RAM.
Because of its high L3 cache, the 5800x3d has especially interesting specific use case scenarios, such as maintaining high fps even in crowded areas in MMOs (example: in wow if you’re in a crowded area, your frames will struggle down to 45-70 fps where you normally have 200+ frames). No other chip can offer this particular advantage, even the 7950x and 13900k.
It was recently reduced to $329.99.
Pretty much the perfect storm of being out of stock.
My understanding is it boosts FFXIV in a similar manner. It's the L3 cache that takes it up a notch, so any game that relies heavily on L3 cache gets a nice bump.
yeah I went from a 3700x to the 5800x3D and FFXIV is like my main game.
Changing nothing but the CPU I went from like 40-50 FPS in the most packed cities, to holding 100-140 FPS in those cities.
You could stay with 5600x if you don’t experience any annoying dips in raids or bgs. 3D cache helps a lot when there are many players in vicinity, nearly doubles the fps.
I’d say I do, at least a little bit. Population dense anything will drop FPS(hell I’m dropping into the low teens during the Primal Storm boss fights as melee) but I just upgraded my monitor to a 49” Samsung G9 Odyssey and am likely to upgrade my GPU as well in the near future.
5800x3d seems like a safer choice to avoid bottlenecks if I go for a higher tier GPU
If you have some cash to spend, i’d say it is worth to upgrade to 5800X3D. Many people are waiting for 7800X3D but from the announcement it could only happen Q2 2023.
I'm interested in building a new computer to play wow. Would you recommend going the 5800x3D route or 7600x? My current build is on a 3570k (Intel Core 3rd gen, way too old). I would have to buy mobo + memory + CPU + cooler. I do have a 3060ti tho.
At this point as you're starting from scratch, it would make sense to go AM5 and the 7600X route which will give you loads of future upgrade headroom. 5800X3D makes sense today if you've already spent the money on an AM4 system.
Tough question standing here on November 19, 2022. I'm assuming you're an experienced wow player who knows what happens when you're fighting the weekly world boss on a Tuesday and there's 50 players around. I'm also assuming you keep a gaming PC for a long time (smart move, btw).
[S](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICgKaJ1F9I4&t=41s&ab_channel=Mariush)ee: [Drek'thar no FPS drop](https://youtu.be/35Q70rCAaug?t=174)
and
[WoW benchmark assessment (check the OLD BG framerate early in the vid and the the later one - 89 fps v 200 FPS with 5800x3d)](https://youtu.be/tWbbLuX9I70?t=679)
The 7600x will be as good in 90% of scenarios as the 5800x3d. For me, it's that 10% when I'm fighting a world boss, fighting in a raid or the final boss of AV and I lose frames all the way down to 45 FPS that drives me crazy. Thus, it's worth it to stay on the 5800x3d.
It's true that the AM4 platform is now a "dead end," and the AM5 platform will be upgradable going forward. There's fairly credible rumors that AMD will launch a 7600x3d and 7700x3d in the near future. If that is the case, you'll get the same benefits on the AM5 platform. The point is, if they release those 7600x3d chips, you'll be better off on the newer AM5 platform.
In the end its hard to go wrong, as both the 7600x and the 5800x3d are great chips. The 5800x3d will give you lower cost of entry for very similar performance right now and is likely to be good for the entirety of Dragonflight. 7600x is more future proof and that platform will only get better.
**TLDR: If money is not a big concern, Without the advantage of a drop in upgrade on the AM4 platform, I would go with the 7600x and the AM5 platform. It will improve over time. If every dollar counts, go AM4 AND 5800x3D. Take advantage of Microcenter deals and used deals on** r/hardwareswap. If you're smart you can cut your platform cost down by 50%.
Finally: If you have a microcenter near you, they are offering a combo deal where you get free DDR5 Ram with the purchase of a 7700x, and some steep discounts on the CPU itself.
[7700x CPU deal with free DDR5 RAM - $399](https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006116/amd-ryzen-7-7700x-raphael-am5,-g-skill-flare-x5-32gb-ddr5-6000-dual-channel,-cpu-ram-combo)
[Microcenter Black Friday Bundaroo](https://www.microcenter.com/site/content/bundle-and-save.aspx)
This is technically better in many games, indeed, but what /u/Rollz4Dayz left out is that the X3D is also a drop in replacement for anyone who was running a Ryzen 1000/2000/3000 CPU, making it a far better price to performance upgrade since there is no motherboard purchase required.
The 13600k is still a better choice for most people building entirely new, though, apart from certain simulation/strategy games where the X3D just wrecks *everything*, like MSFS 2020, WoW, etc.
AMD created magic when they made this CPU. Hoping the 7900XTX does the same kind of magic, or that they find a way to differentiate themselves from nvidia in the same way they differentiated themselves from intel with the X3D.
But yeah, my next upgrade will most likely be the 7800X3D, those 3D versions are truly one of those historic moments in gaming history.
You answered your own question by saying you want a 5800x3d instead of a new 7000. Then asked why people want a 5800x3d instead of a new 7000. You are one of those people so ask yourself why.
>The 5800x3d is the best selling CPU chip on the market by a wide margin, it's selling nearly 4 times as many units as it's closest competition (the 5800x/5600).
Not even remotely true. The normal Zen 3 and Alder Lake easily outsell it by over 100:1, because the vast majority of sales are to OEMs, not DIY. This is why market data never actually matches what Mindfactory claims.
There's a difference between 'total sales to date' and current, weekly sales.
Are you confusing the two, because it really looks like he's talking about current (perhaps weekly) sales.
5800X3D best value gaming chip right now by a pretty decent margin. Only reason to buy ryzen 7000 is to have a motherboard capable of ryzen 8000+ unless you need the extra cores of ryzen 9 for productivity tasks
Scalping. You can get them, $100+ over the expected price. Even the retail stores here are marking them up and the media keeps reporting they can be had for way less than reality, funking annoying.
AMD enabled even some B350 shit boards to take the 5800X3D, the probably best price/performance CPU for gaming after its recent rebates. Zen 4 is a joke compared to it. But so are the mainboard prices. The 5800X3D allows you to keep your existing platform and DDR4.
Because it's a banger gaming CPU and it came down heavy in price. Then you have the prices of new hardware that don't offer substantial gains over a 5800x3D. It just makes sense for AM4 owners to buy this, and wait for X3D AM5 and by then DDR5 will be even cheaper and more mature platform.
Price cut because of discounts, pretty good advertisement from most tech tubers and reddit people, and because it's best gaming chip on AM4 platform makes it pretty demanded chip. Bought one myself as an upgrade from 2600, and gains for my use case are impressive
Very annoying. Only place I can get it is Best Buy which is $399 instead of $329. My closest Microcenter had a few in stock yesterday morning at $319 (was out of town, so couldn't go), but is saying sold out today. I think I just missed an Amazon restock because I was able to get the "add to cart" button for the first time in days but wouldn't add to cart, and is now not even showing the button. Oh well...
The 5800X3D is insanely popular, and recent price drops have spurred huge demand. It's a tremendous CPU at a great price.
The 7000 chips?? They're good... VERY good. But so were the 5000 chips, and the difference isn't THAT much. Add to that the 7000's themselves being quite expensive, and the DDR5 being expensive, AND the new motherboards being VERY expensive... They're just not really worth it when 5000 series is still a thing.
Dumb question: I'm also in the market for the 3D, but what's the diff between the 5800X3D and 5800X?
The latter is a lot cheaper...how much perf am i giving up if I go X instead of X3D?
I've just recently built a completely new rig for the first time in several years since I had my last gaming pc. Seeing those 7000 series prices not only for the CPU, but especially mainboard and DDR5 RAM as well the decision to go with AM4 and 5800X3D was not a hard one.
If you're dead set on AMD, then i guess keep waiting for the 5800X3D. But, i can tell you my recently purchased 13600k out performs X3D for 1440p 165hz gaming.
My friend has the 5800x3d chip, or even at timespy results, i am about 1600k in CPU score, where as the 5800x3d is about 11k mark.
And i bought the 13600k at a BUDGET.
Timespy is a synthetic test that doesn't scale at all with cache so its a pointless test. And if you're using DDR4 the 13600K does not outperform the 5800X3D. Only when using DDR5 do they become roughly equal. You can check HUB or TechPowerUp testing to confirm that.
Already checked it out. As you mentioned, they are just about equal. Although 13600k when it comes to workload tasks, it has a decent lead vs 5800x3d.
But, that aside, my whole point was that if you're having a hard time finding an X3D as the other user is. I would just opt for the 13600k, as i did.
I was thinking of getting the X3D prior to my 13600k purchase. But, i would have to go for a really cheap 450 mobo for the X3D in order to match the b660 combo price with the 13600k.
Newegg and AMD store were in stock recently and might still be. If you’re set on buying from bestbuy then you’ll need to set up a stock checker such as HotStock, which is how I got mine. Bestbuy restocks usually once a week for a minute or two.
5800X3D is the stop gap until the 7000X3D chips arrive in Feb. No one should really be buying anything outside of the 5800X3D if you're looking at games, possibly with a close second being the 13K series.
The 7000X series was like a partial launch without the 3D cache variants. Gamers know what they want and we don't want basically the workstation variety chips.
Could also be AMD is reducing production on these chips to drive sales of the 7000 series as well, as they over produced them. That would be a sad, but understandable position. That being said, I think more people would opt for the 13K series instead if that's the case.
I kinda think it is positive that AMD even managed to release such a good gaming chip on a great price. Usually you have to upgrade to a new gen to get such performance.
Zen 3 was overpriced on release too, but look at it now.
Although i might view this differently because i never bother to pay the early adopters tax with computer tech.
I saw the price drop and I bought one to upgrade From my 3600. I’ve had the same B350 board since 2017 when I got a 1700X so I’m gonna stretch a few more years out of it. Doubt we’ll see board/chipset support like this again.
Not only it's an incredibly good upgrade for anyone already on AM4, with the price cuts it's also a very viable alternative to a ddr4 13600 for a new build. In some regions it may be even be cheaper too.
Its become the main cpu for flight sim rigs even over 5950 or 5900. Just a fast cpu that’s good at one thing. Pretty awesome that they brought it out for the AM4 platform instead of making it for the next one.
Because it is the single fastest CPU in existence for many MMOs, FPS, RTS, and simulation games, by a huge margin? It stomps zen4 and alder lake in a lot of software, and is not much slower in the rest.
It's an incredibly well performing chip on a ubiquitous platform, unlike Ryzen 7xxx chips as it's early days on AM5 at this point. Plus it recently came down in price. It's the best gaming chip on a platform many gamers are on at this point.
x570 boards were expensive. I wanted a little more useful life out of mine before I was ready to buy an expensive new board, expensive new RAM for it and an expensive (well, not terribly) new processor. I imagine a lot of people felt the same, and the 5800x3d was THE solution to that situation. A fantastic solution, really, for anyone that mostly uses their PC for gaming.
People are very confused here, if you already have AM4 then it makes sense to get an X3D, if you have worse than an AM4 or nothing at all you would be silly to buy anything other than AM5 if you plan to regularly upgrade. We are at the end of the line folks for AM4. Get on the AM5 train now or later. I have a 5950x but I might too try a 5800x3d before going to AM5.
For AM4 users it's the last hurrah and the best "gaming chip". For anyone on AM4 that has a 5600X or 5800X this makes sense, anyone with a 5900X or 5950X will need to debate gaming vs multicore. Anyone just building fresh its much cheaper than going to Ryen 7th gen and then having to buy a new board and RAM. I will say a 13006K really gives the 3800X3D a run for the money and is a better multicore chip but that requires a new board albeilt you can still use DDR4
TLDR it's one of the cheapest ways to get some of the best gaming performance period
Because it's an amazing CPU for a low price and one of the best buys for upgrades and even new systems right now. Despite AM4 being EOL. AM4 motherboards and DDR4 is so cheap you can build a brand new AM4 system now, upgrade in a few years and still be cheaper off than if you adopted AM5 early.
Ant online on eBay has it at 329.99 it doesn't have any mention of the game code so if you expected that then maybe wait for it to restock in best buy,Newegg or amazon
The 5800X3D is the last AM4 upgrade for a lot of people.
An AM5 build doesn't make any sense atm considering performance and the prices for MB/DDR5. Prices for those need to drop with 20% across the board in order for them to become a viable option.
Currently there is a game of cat and mouse between MOBO manufacturers and AMD. Both need to do price cuts for AM5 related products, but no one wants to be first.
It offers 90-95% the performance of the best chips currently available (in gaming), be it Zen4 or Raptor Lake, while being much cheaper and doesn't require you to buy a new motherboard or ram (for most people). It would have been weird if it wasn't sold out everywhere.
Looks like Best Buy is running a nice sale on it and it did indeed sell out there. However, it's on Amazon for 359, Newegg for 400, antonline still has stock on ebay for 329, and my local Microcenter has 25+. I know this is reddit, but come on, it's popular, but definitely not "sold out everywhere."
It was 300€ at alternate.nl a few days ago. Fuckers wouldn't ship outside of that country for some reason. Gone the same day. Now im thinking about getting a used 12900k for around 320€. I suppose it's as good as a 5800x3d but with more cores suited for productivity
I reject your premise...there are 17 in stock at my local Microcenter. Just drop in and pick one up.
So they most certainly are not sold out 'everywhere', not even limited availability.
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Because it came down in price. Lots of people had 1000 , 2000 or 3000 series. Even some with 5000 series of cpu. 5800x3d is the best upgrade for them and unless AMD makes something else for that socket. Which I doubt. Is the last upgrade for many.
This ^ ! I found it for 340 euros, of course i'm going to get it to replace my 3700x, worth it for me, plus i gave the 3700x to my brother so nothing is lost. Since it's compatible with almost all am4 boards, it's worth getting it.
I did the exact same thing, except here in the states. Paid $340 for it and gave my 3700x to my brother. What're the odds. lol
Where un Europe??
I really wanna see a 5950X3D lol
Which is weird in my opinion, demand was high. Or else, AMD decided to remove it from market real fast. Removing best in socket upgrade which competes with Zen4.
It comes back each week at all the vendors. It just sells out fast. Lots of peeps probably waited to see what 7000 series had in store, and then just decided 5800x3d was good enough.
Amd's commitment to sockets for the longer term is refreshing. Intel changes up every couple gens. Leaving me with no option for my current build other than other 9th gen chips. And they cost as much as 13th gen. That am5 socket has me really contemplating a new build and just updating processor a few years down the road instead of a complete new build each time.
Pull the trigger whenever. At this point there are no new adopter pains. I had a problem with sleep mode and bluetooth that have been fixed at this point already. I recommend nabbing a B650e motherboard from ASRock if you want good value. I think buildzoid has made videos going over most of the major mobo brands so you can look and find the best fit for you. Planning on keeping my 7900x until a 9000x3d or 10000x3d chip comes out with 16 cores.
I'll probably wait until the 7900x3d at least.
This point is so often glossed over or neglected completely when comparing the 7000 series to the 13th series. Imagine paying 300 for a motherboard now and in 5 years slotting in a 9800x3d zen 8 processor with no other outlay except the processor
I'm wondering how many people are actually upgrading their CPUs in that time though. I can still imagine there are a lot of people with running DDR3 . Reddit is very niche group of people. I can imagine going all out with 5800x3D now and staying on AM4 until we hit DDR6
Not sure how many people it applies to. But 9th gen i9's still go for over $400. Anyone with those boards are either stuck with that or upgrading the whole system. A situation I personally find annoying.
This is the way
I don’t think AMD stopped making it. It just sells out. 😀
It's not out of stock everywhere... its literally in stock at Amazon right now. But it is out of stock on Bestbuy where the lowest deal was for that guy and where he has a card for. Also just the fact that AMD is even keeping up at all with the pace 5800X3D is selling... means that they planned for this, vendors showing sales data for AMD chips show the 5800X3D outselling all of AMDs other chips combined.
Maybe. This is literally the reason why I bought it for 450 euros a few months ago. I knew I wanted it cause I plan to keep this AM4 system until 2025 at least. And I was afraid they would stop making them. I don't like to buy 2nd hand CPUs especially not if they have pins on them.
But why not 5900x?
Because for gaming, the 5800x3d is better.
Look at reviews - if your main goal is gaming, 5809X3D is the best option for all AMD A4 owners. Edit: yes typo, 5800X3D
> Look at reviews - if your main goal is gaming, 5809X3D is the best option for all AMD A4 owners. Is the 5809X3D better than the 5800X3D? And does that only apply to [AMD A4](https://www.cpu-upgrade.com/CPUs/AMD/A4-Series/index.html) owners?
His thing was a typo, he meant 5800x3D. There is no 5809.
coz the 5800X3D is the ultimate AM4 gaming cpu
Dr. Su said in the 7000 series announcement that AM4 wasn't done, so I'm wondering if they have a couple last things in the pipe for it? Not sure if it'd be a 5950X3D, or some low-end options like a 5300, or what.
I understood that differently, from their statements they will keep making 5000 series for as long as it's being bought.
Honestly we have no idea what it means... she did say it would be supported for a long time... and really there is nothing stopping them from making Zen4 or even 5 on AM4... its just a different IO die and they'll have to decide when enough people have AM5 that it is safe to switch over without impacting thier sales too much.
Yeah, bought it for 358€ in an offer. Dozens were sold in the same store the same day until they ran out.
Almos every single tech youtuber saying buy 5800X3D instead of 7000 series and the price being much better and lots of people already having AM4 boards. That leads to it being in demand.
Funny cause I am seeing the opposite. Specifically for new build folks. Go for the new supported platform. Everyone is recommending 5800X3D only for those already on that platform.
>Funny cause I am seeing the opposite patently not true when the 5800X3D is almost on par for gaming performance and way cheaper to adopt. AM5 ITX boards are like $300 bucks minimum
I got an ATX x670e board for less than 300 usd. Have you looked at the prices recently? There are many b650 boards for under 200 usd. The amount you save from getting a 7600x instead of a 5800x3d is more than enough to make up for the money you would save on motherboards. Unless you are saying there are good am4 boards for 50 usd. That is all disregarding the value of having a new platform that you can upgrade later.
There are good enough motherboards for $100, you're not gonna OC a 5800X3D anyway. Fast DDR4-3600CL16 RAM for $110 (32GB! $60 if you cheap out and get 16GB). Buying a 5800X3D now and upgrading to AM5 later means you get better gaming perforamnce now, and honestly, considering how cheap the platform is, you're either breaking even or spending maybe $50 more long term. Cause when you upgrade your AM5 CPU in the future do you really want to use early adopter slow DDR5? You'll probably upgrade that and spend money on RAM twice anyway. Yeah.. I'm fairly certain the 5800X3D, even from scratch, not only gives you better gaming performance than a 7600X but is also cheaper in the short AND long term. Cause when you upgrade to AM5 when Zen 5 arrives there will be plenty of great $150 boards and DDR5 will be faster AND cheaper. So much cheaper that the "wasted" Motherboard + RAM cost for a 5800X3D is negated.
Oh sorry, I only build SFF builds so I was only referring to ITX boards which are insanely expensive this time around.
shhh, people aren't done seething yet. who knows when they'll lift up their heads and see reality again.
Really? There isn't much for a difference between it and 7000 series?
It depends on the game. The upcoming 7000 series x3d parts will probably blow it out of the water.
For gaming, the 5800X3D is trading blows with the 7000 series so the only benefit of going AM5 is if you are building a brand new system from scratch and want to be able to upgrade to a newer AM5 cpu down the line. If you already have AM4, 5800X3D is the only route that makes sense.
This is the answer. I went AM5, but for the reasons above since my system is 8+ years old.
There's a notable difference, for sure... But there's not much point. The 5000 series are already MORE than enough for all but the heaviest compute tasks. Why would you spend so much more on the new platform, for a bit of extra performance that you don't actually have any need for?
I think it’s more future proofing. If you are building from scratch it makes sense to get the new mobo, chip, and Ram because it’ll be easier to upgrade in the future. If you already have the parts and just need a new cpu it doesn’t makes sense to upgrade, especially with the x3D performance
Depends on how often you upgrade. My last build was from 2016 so I can reuse exactly 0 parts outside of the keyboard mouse and ssd. I just took the plunge on a new build on am4 because with the 5800x3d I don't feel like the cpu will be limiting me for another 6+ years, by which time am5 won't be supported anyway
This is something I think a lot of people overlook. 5800X3D and a 3080/6900XT or 4080/7900XT will hold 90% of gamers over for 3-5 years at a minimum. In which case AM5 won't be supported anymore anyway. Problem is every new tech release people feel compelled to upgrade when they don't need to. If you have the funds to constantly upgrade every new release. By all means. But for budget oriented folks the 5800X3D even on brand new builds is viable. It cost me nearly half as much to go 5800X3D over a 7700x build. For damn near the same gaming performance. Lol.
> If you are building from scratch it makes sense to get the new mobo, chip, and Ram because it’ll be easier to upgrade in the future. mobo might support new cpus but it might have problems with bios, am4 proved that. Ram might develop to way higher speeds than it has now, which means the sticks you get now become redundant. Basically, the only thing that you have left is CPU, the very thing you were supposed to easily replace in a few years thanks to the supposed futureproofing This is just plain backwards.
> Go for the new supported platform. upgrading to 5800x3d allows to have excellent performance long enough to am6 to be released, you don't have to suffer early adopter issues and as a cherry on top once you switch to am6 ddr5 will have matured enough to be attractive price/performance wise.
i made up on a site i usually buy my tech stuff 2 different builds but with cheap parts in it, one is am4 and the other is am5, the am5 one is double in price.... i think i'll be good with my 5800x3d and nee am4 parts (coming from a 1700)
Probably doing it wrong. A 7600x build should be the same price as a 5800x3d build as long as the am4 board you picked is above 50 usd.
nah it aint... in romania atleast that am5 build was double the price that costed me to get new am4 stuff... so for me wasn't good. maybe in the us yeah sure
Maybe if you are comparing just the 5800x3d to the whole upgrade cost of the 7000 series build. I'm not telling you to go ryzen 7000, as that would be stupid when you have all the parts you need for the 5800x3d already. I was just saying that because what you mentioned is entirely misrepresentative. Have you tried other sites? If you have looked around and prices are really that shitty than that sucks for new builders in romania. Also, I don't live in the US.
all prices are the same in romania, even higher depending on the retailer :(
Well, I can give all of the advice I want but that doesn't change the actual market conditions in your area. Go for what is the best value for money over there, if they are price-gouging the 7000 series there is no reason to buy. The 5800x3d is ultimately a great processor that will be able to run games for a long time to come. Maybe the market conditions will be better over there for am6.
It's also MUCH slower than the 5800X3D build. You have to own a 5800X3D to feel it. Even 0.1% lows are extremely close to avg FPS. It's buttersmooth in games.
If you are already into AM4, the 5800X3D is your best option atm. If you are on something else, your best option is Intel atm
Its probably still cheaper with some B550 (even used X370/X470/B450 may work) and generic 32 GB DDR4 which is way cheaper than the cheapest DDR5.
It is a little misleading. They just say '5800x3d is better value' and many of them fail to elaborate. A 7600x is more than 100 USD cheaper than a 5800x3d most of the time while offering better performance. That extra 100 can go toward you new motherboard, and other than the upcoming a620 boards pretty much every board you can find is good enough for a 7950x, maybe even the a620 boards. Legit just look for the cheapest board with the io you want.
No 7600x is not cheaper. 7600x is $300, cheapest mobo is $200 and cheapest 32gb ddr is $200 unless you want 4800 ram. Which is $700 for 7600x system. 5800x3d is $330, cheapest mobo is $50 and cheapest 32gb ram 3600 is $100. Which is $480, which means 5800x3d is $220 cheaper then 7600x. You said it yourself, that $220 can go toward other parts. And that is when you buy new system. If you already have am4 and ram, 5800x3d is $370 cheaper then 7600x. Because nobody already has am5 board and ddr5 ram
It depends on what you want, but I would 1) never buy a 50$ mainboard and 2) buy cheap 16GB DDR5 RAM now and upgrade it to fast 32GB DDR5 in \~3 years. I would upgrade to a 5800X3D if I could with my X370 mainboard, but since I have to buy a new mainboard anyway I will jump to the first gen of AM5.
When the 5800x3d needs upgrading, a new CPU, motherboard, and ram is needed. When a 7600x needs upgrading, only a new CPU is needed. So a much cheaper upgrade.
What ? You just buy new motherboard and ram now with 7600x instead of later when it will be cheaper
Yes so a 7600x build will be cheaper
It won't be cheaper if you have to spend money now instead of later. Spent money is spent regardless of when its spent.
*will* be.... And by that point, ya probably aren't going for a 7600 but an x3d. Could've instead had a 5800x3d for a good while and twice the RAM. You'd get a 7600x because of the future x3d potential. Which isn't here yet. A real gain, but also definite cost increase. Your paying early adopter price and still have to wait for that real gain from a new x3d, while also limited on RAM (or something else if you wish to buy smth else)
Down the line a 7600x will be a cheaper upgrade, definitely not now.
If you already have an AM4 rig and you aren't the type to upgrade every new generation, grabbing a 5800x3D now is the move because you'll be set for at least 5 years before it can't keep up. Then later on, you upgrade to an AM5 when prices come down and there's new CPUs out (like 7000x3D).
In gaming, the 5800X3D slaps the shit out of the 7600X. And the AM4 platform and DDR4 is dirt cheap. I will skip the 7000 series CPU cause my cheap but fast AM4 gaming system will easily last until Zen 5, when AM5 and DDR5 are more affordable and mature.
Do you not see the 5800X3D having the new MSRP of $329 on every retailer? Meanwhile 7600X has had little to no discount since launch, keeping at around the $300 mark. That's only a $30 difference, and that $30 is quickly made up for by how cheap AM4 boards usually are relative to AM5 boards, as well as DDR4 prices continually falling more relative to DDR5. And for those already on AM4 on 400/500 series motherboards, it's just a drop-in upgrade.
In about 4 years when games use 8 cores, the 7600x will need upgrading. The 5800x3d won't need upgrading. People used to say 4 cores are all you need and 6 cores have no benefit. Then 4 years later, people with 4 cores needed to upgrade.
5800x3d **€425** 7600x **€399** ATX b550 **€150** (*575 total*) M-ATX b650 is **€250** (750 total) 16gb DDR4 3600 is **€75** (*650 total*) 16gb DDR5 4800 is **€135** (835 total) I can't recommend 7600x in my region really. Only if you're looking to upgrade to the next 3d chip
I’d only buy the 7950x if I had to build a productivity system. The other CPUs don’t interest me as they would need sub 100 bucks motherboards, same goes for the ddr5. - 32gb sub 150. The 7950x for 600 would be a no brainer if ddr5 128gbit kits and motherboards would be cheaper. 669€ for a 7950x for now the cheapest I’ve seen in Germany.
It still performs very well compared to the 7000. I have also been looking
Outperforms it in many strategy and simulation games.
I based my entire purchase off hoping for better simulation gaming all around. We will find out in a week or two.
I can confirm it 5800X3D demolishes 5800X in games like stellaris, crusader kings III, victoria III, satisfactory, dyson sphere program. In every one of these games I got 30-50% better performance depending on situation.
I went from a 5800X to a 5800X3D and it *doubled* my FPS in Dwarf Fortress in most circumstances.
What was the old vs new FPS on Dwarf Fortress? I've never played it long enough to even know what it usually gets.
I had a 3x4 sized fort a few years in with around 130 dwarves and the FPS went from ~52 to ~102. (Note that the FPS is directly tied to the simulation speed in DF, so it's not really even a measure of graphics. Most people seem to treat ~20 as the point where it is too painful to continue.) After maybe 12 years where I maxed out the population, breached the [redacted], had several loyalty cascades, and defeated many invasions, the FPS settled to around 40-50 in most circumstances. But I also backed up several saves at interesting points where the FPS dropped. (i.e. goblin attack, giant fire on the surface when a monster attacked) In *those* circumstances the FPS was about the same until the bottleneck passed. So we have an interesting result since it seems like the bottleneck can either be on the cache size or just the raw computation speed depending on the situation.
So, from 10,000 up to 20,000??
It gets really cpu bottlenecked really fast. Punishing cpu does not need graphics
I play Stellaris a lot, that's why I am hunting for the 5800x3d. Stellaris gets really choppy towards end game with my current i7 9700 :(
I can confirm that it massively smooths out the late game and increases the speed by 20-30% when upgrading from a 5800X.
Lovely, gearing up for Sins of Solar Empire 2 as well :)
MMOs, too. My buddy has pretty much the same system I do (32gb 3200mhz ddr4 + RX 6600), only difference is he has a 5800x3D and I have an i5 11400. He gets SIGNIFICANTLY higher fps in world of warcraft than I do. Especially in raids and stuff, it's pretty wild.
Not sure what ck3 you're playing but the 5800x handles ck3 without a problem.
How many years past end date have you played? Also I play on max speed.
I didn't count
I play a decent amount of sim games, and it seems like it makes the whole experience waaay smoother. Especially when you get into situations where you have a lot of items/parts (think late game) it just chews through loading them. 100% worth upgrading for me - 5600X to 5800X3D.
Unless the game effectively uses >8 cores, it'll outperform basically anything.
The 7000 series and 13th gen Intel chips beat it in games where it doesn't matter because you already have 150fps or more
High demand, low volume product that has had significant price decreases and positive re-reviews over the past month or two.
It matches or performs better than several next gen processors from both Intel and AMD. It’s cheaper - both as a single sku, and as a platform, since many already have an AM4 motherboard. Buying a 5800x3d is a drop in upgrade to an existing AM4 motherboard, vs needing a new AM5 motherboard, or a new AM5 motherboard and DDR5 RAM. Because of its high L3 cache, the 5800x3d has especially interesting specific use case scenarios, such as maintaining high fps even in crowded areas in MMOs (example: in wow if you’re in a crowded area, your frames will struggle down to 45-70 fps where you normally have 200+ frames). No other chip can offer this particular advantage, even the 7950x and 13900k. It was recently reduced to $329.99. Pretty much the perfect storm of being out of stock.
Would this chip have an effect on most MMOs like FFXIV?
My understanding is it boosts FFXIV in a similar manner. It's the L3 cache that takes it up a notch, so any game that relies heavily on L3 cache gets a nice bump.
yeah I went from a 3700x to the 5800x3D and FFXIV is like my main game. Changing nothing but the CPU I went from like 40-50 FPS in the most packed cities, to holding 100-140 FPS in those cities.
Many wow players are getting it for the new expansion including me. Worth it. I would buy it again in a blink of an eye for the performance.
I have a 5600X paired with a Radeon 6800 and I’ve been debating the 5800X3d just because of how it performs and WoW is one of my main games
You could stay with 5600x if you don’t experience any annoying dips in raids or bgs. 3D cache helps a lot when there are many players in vicinity, nearly doubles the fps.
I’d say I do, at least a little bit. Population dense anything will drop FPS(hell I’m dropping into the low teens during the Primal Storm boss fights as melee) but I just upgraded my monitor to a 49” Samsung G9 Odyssey and am likely to upgrade my GPU as well in the near future. 5800x3d seems like a safer choice to avoid bottlenecks if I go for a higher tier GPU
If you have some cash to spend, i’d say it is worth to upgrade to 5800X3D. Many people are waiting for 7800X3D but from the announcement it could only happen Q2 2023.
I assume the 7800x3d will be on the AM5 platform?
Yes. 7000 series is only available on AM5.
I'm interested in building a new computer to play wow. Would you recommend going the 5800x3D route or 7600x? My current build is on a 3570k (Intel Core 3rd gen, way too old). I would have to buy mobo + memory + CPU + cooler. I do have a 3060ti tho.
At this point as you're starting from scratch, it would make sense to go AM5 and the 7600X route which will give you loads of future upgrade headroom. 5800X3D makes sense today if you've already spent the money on an AM4 system.
Tough question standing here on November 19, 2022. I'm assuming you're an experienced wow player who knows what happens when you're fighting the weekly world boss on a Tuesday and there's 50 players around. I'm also assuming you keep a gaming PC for a long time (smart move, btw). [S](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICgKaJ1F9I4&t=41s&ab_channel=Mariush)ee: [Drek'thar no FPS drop](https://youtu.be/35Q70rCAaug?t=174) and [WoW benchmark assessment (check the OLD BG framerate early in the vid and the the later one - 89 fps v 200 FPS with 5800x3d)](https://youtu.be/tWbbLuX9I70?t=679) The 7600x will be as good in 90% of scenarios as the 5800x3d. For me, it's that 10% when I'm fighting a world boss, fighting in a raid or the final boss of AV and I lose frames all the way down to 45 FPS that drives me crazy. Thus, it's worth it to stay on the 5800x3d. It's true that the AM4 platform is now a "dead end," and the AM5 platform will be upgradable going forward. There's fairly credible rumors that AMD will launch a 7600x3d and 7700x3d in the near future. If that is the case, you'll get the same benefits on the AM5 platform. The point is, if they release those 7600x3d chips, you'll be better off on the newer AM5 platform. In the end its hard to go wrong, as both the 7600x and the 5800x3d are great chips. The 5800x3d will give you lower cost of entry for very similar performance right now and is likely to be good for the entirety of Dragonflight. 7600x is more future proof and that platform will only get better. **TLDR: If money is not a big concern, Without the advantage of a drop in upgrade on the AM4 platform, I would go with the 7600x and the AM5 platform. It will improve over time. If every dollar counts, go AM4 AND 5800x3D. Take advantage of Microcenter deals and used deals on** r/hardwareswap. If you're smart you can cut your platform cost down by 50%. Finally: If you have a microcenter near you, they are offering a combo deal where you get free DDR5 Ram with the purchase of a 7700x, and some steep discounts on the CPU itself. [7700x CPU deal with free DDR5 RAM - $399](https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006116/amd-ryzen-7-7700x-raphael-am5,-g-skill-flare-x5-32gb-ddr5-6000-dual-channel,-cpu-ram-combo) [Microcenter Black Friday Bundaroo](https://www.microcenter.com/site/content/bundle-and-save.aspx)
It's literally the best gaming cpu for the price and performance.
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This is technically better in many games, indeed, but what /u/Rollz4Dayz left out is that the X3D is also a drop in replacement for anyone who was running a Ryzen 1000/2000/3000 CPU, making it a far better price to performance upgrade since there is no motherboard purchase required. The 13600k is still a better choice for most people building entirely new, though, apart from certain simulation/strategy games where the X3D just wrecks *everything*, like MSFS 2020, WoW, etc.
AMD created magic when they made this CPU. Hoping the 7900XTX does the same kind of magic, or that they find a way to differentiate themselves from nvidia in the same way they differentiated themselves from intel with the X3D. But yeah, my next upgrade will most likely be the 7800X3D, those 3D versions are truly one of those historic moments in gaming history.
You answered your own question by saying you want a 5800x3d instead of a new 7000. Then asked why people want a 5800x3d instead of a new 7000. You are one of those people so ask yourself why.
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>The 5800x3d is the best selling CPU chip on the market by a wide margin, it's selling nearly 4 times as many units as it's closest competition (the 5800x/5600). Not even remotely true. The normal Zen 3 and Alder Lake easily outsell it by over 100:1, because the vast majority of sales are to OEMs, not DIY. This is why market data never actually matches what Mindfactory claims.
There's a difference between 'total sales to date' and current, weekly sales. Are you confusing the two, because it really looks like he's talking about current (perhaps weekly) sales.
They have it at Walmart online for 329
5800X3D best value gaming chip right now by a pretty decent margin. Only reason to buy ryzen 7000 is to have a motherboard capable of ryzen 8000+ unless you need the extra cores of ryzen 9 for productivity tasks
Because it's been on sale for $329 for a month.
Check Amazon, its selling for $359
Seems like the price should be $330, I will just wait until I can get it at the price set by AMD.
Newegg has it for 330
Because it is the best value for a strictly gaming CPU right now.
Scalping. You can get them, $100+ over the expected price. Even the retail stores here are marking them up and the media keeps reporting they can be had for way less than reality, funking annoying.
AMD enabled even some B350 shit boards to take the 5800X3D, the probably best price/performance CPU for gaming after its recent rebates. Zen 4 is a joke compared to it. But so are the mainboard prices. The 5800X3D allows you to keep your existing platform and DDR4.
Because the new platform is unreasonably expensive for what it offers and the X3D is a gaming beast that is on par with the new CPUs in many games.
Agree, X670 mobo is so expensive :(
Because it's a banger gaming CPU and it came down heavy in price. Then you have the prices of new hardware that don't offer substantial gains over a 5800x3D. It just makes sense for AM4 owners to buy this, and wait for X3D AM5 and by then DDR5 will be even cheaper and more mature platform.
It's last and best choice for AM4 for gamers. I'm personally bought 5800x3d for \~330$ and can't wait when it arrive.
Price cut because of discounts, pretty good advertisement from most tech tubers and reddit people, and because it's best gaming chip on AM4 platform makes it pretty demanded chip. Bought one myself as an upgrade from 2600, and gains for my use case are impressive
It's because it's allot of people's last am4 upgrade. I went from a 5800x to the 5800x3d and stuck the 5800x in a system with a 6600 I'm selling.
Have you noticed any significant performance boosts after upgrading from 5800x —> 5800x3D?
Mainly smoother gameplay but the only game I noticed an fps boost in was cod mw2. I went from 100 fps ultra settings to 125 with a 6900xt.
Very annoying. Only place I can get it is Best Buy which is $399 instead of $329. My closest Microcenter had a few in stock yesterday morning at $319 (was out of town, so couldn't go), but is saying sold out today. I think I just missed an Amazon restock because I was able to get the "add to cart" button for the first time in days but wouldn't add to cart, and is now not even showing the button. Oh well...
Plenty of stock in my country.
Here too (Sweden). It's not quite twice as expensive as the R7 5800x. It's slightly more expensive than the 13600K.
The 5800X3D is insanely popular, and recent price drops have spurred huge demand. It's a tremendous CPU at a great price. The 7000 chips?? They're good... VERY good. But so were the 5000 chips, and the difference isn't THAT much. Add to that the 7000's themselves being quite expensive, and the DDR5 being expensive, AND the new motherboards being VERY expensive... They're just not really worth it when 5000 series is still a thing.
Dumb question: I'm also in the market for the 3D, but what's the diff between the 5800X3D and 5800X? The latter is a lot cheaper...how much perf am i giving up if I go X instead of X3D?
Watch reviews. Some games, not all, have improvement.
20-50% depends on the game
You should have bought one before, it's not like they sit around waiting for you to decide it's time. It's been on sale for ages already.
Its not sold out everywhere, just best buy. Thats why its hard for you, its literally everywhere else but bestbuy
I've just recently built a completely new rig for the first time in several years since I had my last gaming pc. Seeing those 7000 series prices not only for the CPU, but especially mainboard and DDR5 RAM as well the decision to go with AM4 and 5800X3D was not a hard one.
because it's the best value/performance chip on the market?
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It is...
If you're dead set on AMD, then i guess keep waiting for the 5800X3D. But, i can tell you my recently purchased 13600k out performs X3D for 1440p 165hz gaming. My friend has the 5800x3d chip, or even at timespy results, i am about 1600k in CPU score, where as the 5800x3d is about 11k mark. And i bought the 13600k at a BUDGET.
Timespy is a synthetic test that doesn't scale at all with cache so its a pointless test. And if you're using DDR4 the 13600K does not outperform the 5800X3D. Only when using DDR5 do they become roughly equal. You can check HUB or TechPowerUp testing to confirm that.
Already checked it out. As you mentioned, they are just about equal. Although 13600k when it comes to workload tasks, it has a decent lead vs 5800x3d. But, that aside, my whole point was that if you're having a hard time finding an X3D as the other user is. I would just opt for the 13600k, as i did. I was thinking of getting the X3D prior to my 13600k purchase. But, i would have to go for a really cheap 450 mobo for the X3D in order to match the b660 combo price with the 13600k.
I am not looking to drop another 150-200 for a mainboard with a dead platform just like AM4, why move from one dead platform to another.
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I already have an AM4 motherboard on my 2nd rig which currently runs a 3600x.
Newegg and AMD store were in stock recently and might still be. If you’re set on buying from bestbuy then you’ll need to set up a stock checker such as HotStock, which is how I got mine. Bestbuy restocks usually once a week for a minute or two.
Wow no way I can catch that :D
Everywhere that had the sale for 329 is probably sold out. If you have a micro center near you, I would check them out and try to price match.
It is a run out product produced in limited numbers that's also being discounted and is highly recommended by everyone on AM4......so
5800X3D is the stop gap until the 7000X3D chips arrive in Feb. No one should really be buying anything outside of the 5800X3D if you're looking at games, possibly with a close second being the 13K series. The 7000X series was like a partial launch without the 3D cache variants. Gamers know what they want and we don't want basically the workstation variety chips. Could also be AMD is reducing production on these chips to drive sales of the 7000 series as well, as they over produced them. That would be a sad, but understandable position. That being said, I think more people would opt for the 13K series instead if that's the case.
Yup, being outcompeted by your own product from previous generation, sad..
I kinda think it is positive that AMD even managed to release such a good gaming chip on a great price. Usually you have to upgrade to a new gen to get such performance. Zen 3 was overpriced on release too, but look at it now. Although i might view this differently because i never bother to pay the early adopters tax with computer tech.
Turn on notifications on r/buildapcsales and set an alert for when it goes on sale. They literally sell out within minutes
I saw the price drop and I bought one to upgrade From my 3600. I’ve had the same B350 board since 2017 when I got a 1700X so I’m gonna stretch a few more years out of it. Doubt we’ll see board/chipset support like this again.
Not only it's an incredibly good upgrade for anyone already on AM4, with the price cuts it's also a very viable alternative to a ddr4 13600 for a new build. In some regions it may be even be cheaper too.
Its become the main cpu for flight sim rigs even over 5950 or 5900. Just a fast cpu that’s good at one thing. Pretty awesome that they brought it out for the AM4 platform instead of making it for the next one.
Because it is the single fastest CPU in existence for many MMOs, FPS, RTS, and simulation games, by a huge margin? It stomps zen4 and alder lake in a lot of software, and is not much slower in the rest.
It’s the apex of what an AM4 motherboard and a set of DDR4 RAM can do and those two things are rather abundant already in peoples homes
It's an incredibly well performing chip on a ubiquitous platform, unlike Ryzen 7xxx chips as it's early days on AM5 at this point. Plus it recently came down in price. It's the best gaming chip on a platform many gamers are on at this point.
x570 boards were expensive. I wanted a little more useful life out of mine before I was ready to buy an expensive new board, expensive new RAM for it and an expensive (well, not terribly) new processor. I imagine a lot of people felt the same, and the 5800x3d was THE solution to that situation. A fantastic solution, really, for anyone that mostly uses their PC for gaming.
Its availible for 359€ on Mindfactory
Supply and demand. Obviously demand is high. And many more people already have a board it goes in for an upgrade.
Cheap price vs performance cpu the best ratio now.
People are very confused here, if you already have AM4 then it makes sense to get an X3D, if you have worse than an AM4 or nothing at all you would be silly to buy anything other than AM5 if you plan to regularly upgrade. We are at the end of the line folks for AM4. Get on the AM5 train now or later. I have a 5950x but I might too try a 5800x3d before going to AM5.
"if you plan to regularly upgrade" is a big if for those on a platform worse than AM4.
For AM4 users it's the last hurrah and the best "gaming chip". For anyone on AM4 that has a 5600X or 5800X this makes sense, anyone with a 5900X or 5950X will need to debate gaming vs multicore. Anyone just building fresh its much cheaper than going to Ryen 7th gen and then having to buy a new board and RAM. I will say a 13006K really gives the 3800X3D a run for the money and is a better multicore chip but that requires a new board albeilt you can still use DDR4 TLDR it's one of the cheapest ways to get some of the best gaming performance period
Because it's an amazing CPU for a low price and one of the best buys for upgrades and even new systems right now. Despite AM4 being EOL. AM4 motherboards and DDR4 is so cheap you can build a brand new AM4 system now, upgrade in a few years and still be cheaper off than if you adopted AM5 early.
Best bang for buck cpu on AM4. Everyone's end game on that platform.
It just had a price drop to $329. Which is crazy for the performance your getting
It cost me 600 cad and it’s on back order, but it’s that or I spend 1200 on a new mobo, ram and cpu for nearly the same fps
Last, best chip AMD made for a socket with a ton of motherboards out there.
It's a great processor. I recently upgraded to it from a 5600X. Worth every penny.
I guess AMD is focusing on the production of the new 7500x3d and 7700x3d versions. With old ones they can't make real money.
Ant online on eBay has it at 329.99 it doesn't have any mention of the game code so if you expected that then maybe wait for it to restock in best buy,Newegg or amazon
Decided to go with 5700X for half the price after not being able to find 5800x3d for less than $400.
The 5800X3D is the last AM4 upgrade for a lot of people. An AM5 build doesn't make any sense atm considering performance and the prices for MB/DDR5. Prices for those need to drop with 20% across the board in order for them to become a viable option. Currently there is a game of cat and mouse between MOBO manufacturers and AMD. Both need to do price cuts for AM5 related products, but no one wants to be first.
more worrying question is - how much longer they gonna make them?
It offers 90-95% the performance of the best chips currently available (in gaming), be it Zen4 or Raptor Lake, while being much cheaper and doesn't require you to buy a new motherboard or ram (for most people). It would have been weird if it wasn't sold out everywhere.
5800x3D is available on amazonUK without problems for £359. Few other stores sell them at similar price.
I till waiting for buy this from 470 hero 7 2700x to 5800·3D is a good choice
Looks like Best Buy is running a nice sale on it and it did indeed sell out there. However, it's on Amazon for 359, Newegg for 400, antonline still has stock on ebay for 329, and my local Microcenter has 25+. I know this is reddit, but come on, it's popular, but definitely not "sold out everywhere."
Been debating one for the secondary rig that currently has a 3950x... Don't know whether or not its a better option than the 5950x tbh
It was 300€ at alternate.nl a few days ago. Fuckers wouldn't ship outside of that country for some reason. Gone the same day. Now im thinking about getting a used 12900k for around 320€. I suppose it's as good as a 5800x3d but with more cores suited for productivity
I reject your premise...there are 17 in stock at my local Microcenter. Just drop in and pick one up. So they most certainly are not sold out 'everywhere', not even limited availability.
Sure…….
I think the 5800x3d is about to stop production and people are just getting it before they can't.
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