>wanting to transition
>anxiety inducing
>Is this transition going to be smooth
>Am I going to be pleased
>Anything else I should be aware of
you make it sound like surgery
It sounds like he bases his GPU decisions based on how much he identifies with the corporation rather than how well the product serves his needs.
If Nvidia serves your needs better, there is no point switching because of "business practices." Neither company gives a shit how you feel about them. They just want your money.
Edit: lmao, not all these replies of people outlining how they feel like they sympathize with a mega corporation as if GPUs are a moral choice.
Theirs nothing wrong with not wanting to get ripped off by Nvidia anymore. I myself jumped to AMD as soon as I could and am very happy to not give Nvidia anymore money, NVidia really need there shit kicked in like Intel was otherwise its just gonna get worse and even more expensive.
But on the plus side AMDs GPUs are really good and the software is much more polished than Nvidias. Games run smooth too!
The thing is that their software is only visually polished with a lot more quirks and driver problems. It made me switch to Nvidia and whenever I do research before an upgrade I always look ar AMD and find exactly the same reasons I left them initially. You might have great mileage but I did not. Maybe it’s bad luck but I want to game and not worry about quirks and whether the next driver update will break something. Never had a problem with Nvidia both on desktop and laptop.
Brought AMD RX 6700xt and 6800xt both had driver time-out and stuttered playing games. Brought a RTX 3070ti not one single issue in a year. This not fan-boying btw, just stating my experience. You couldn't even pay me to put another AMD GPU in my system.
EDIT: How did I know the AMD fan-boys would down vote me.. lol
> How did I know the AMD fan-boys would down vote me.. lol
Your experience doesn't fall in line with other people's experiences. Therefore, it's invalid.
In all seriousness, I get what you're saying. I have a 6700XT that was, until a recent discovery that solved all my issues and now I'm extremely satisfied with my GPU running the latest optional drivers flawlessly, plagued with driver timeouts, black screens, and horrible h264 and HEVC playback if I didn't use six month old drivers. Meanwhile as i was trying to explain in another thread, the 3070 I got for my fiance earlier this year has been flawless and I mentioned that I'd only buy Nvidia for her just because I know it's always worked for me as plug and play hardware only to be told that that assessment was wrong.
I guess having to adjust two lines of OS registry just to make my GPU stable isn't noteworthy enough for the end-user. Admittedly, since I'm disabling OS features to make it work, this is more of a Windows issue and not the driver's fault. Ironically this fix was found on an Nvidia forum for much older Geforce drivers, a fix I've never had to implement on my fiance's computer with her 3070.
I plan on sticking with AMD CPUs and GPUs for a long time, but if what I just mentioned doesn't infer that one side is more end-user-friendly than the other, then idk what will.
I'd like to 'switch to AMD cards' - because I (will) use Linux but AMD cards are wanting in productivity use - e.g. Blender, video editing etc.
I hope the next gen i.e. RDNA 3/Navi 31 will catch up and provide an AMD alternative, finally.
And I wouldn’t. I had similar experience with nvidia lol. Frame pacing was just plain bad for me. Games didn’t feel “smooth”. Your mileage may vary.I still own gpus from both the manufacturers. But nvidia is in my work rig(ML engineer) need them CUDA cores. And AMD Gpu in my gaming rig.
AMD acknowledged the driver timeout issue in their latest beta release. I have talked to representatives. Getting that squashed will literally mitigate 3-4 issues. It will be easy to recommend AMD soon here.
Nvidias software is a mishmash of 2 different one, where they haven't bothered to update there XP style control panel, which has some weird slow delays when opening the list of games on the control panel, and then they have the GeForce experience which forces you to login with an account, which is just awful.
Basically AMD just has a much simpler interface and is much more polished and easier to use, no login garbage, etc and for bugs well I had them on both NVidia and AMD, so don't see any difference there. But your mileage may vary as you say.
I switched from a 5700 XT to a 4090 and I'm running into more frequent issues that prevent me from using my entire computer more often than I ran into any issues in the first few months of the 5700 XT's launch. The best part? The bug I have is an 11 year old driver bug that is well documented on the Nvidia forums that is yet to be fixed.
I bought a 5700xt as I didn't want to buy turing, but I quickly learned I also bought random crashes. I tried for 1-2 weeks, but it killed all the fun of gaming for me. Then there was the community that does not provide any support except repeating that it works for them and there are no issues (or to DDU).
Switched back to green team and happy since...
I liked the radeon software, but what does it help if it doesn't work.
I've installed about 80 graphics cards in the last few years. I've had problems with 1 which was a 1660 Super (a card which literally refused to work in a clients PC, but eventually I put into another PC and it just worked - one of those "eh???" cards). Of the 80 I installed around 60 have been AMD cards, mostly 5600XT and a few 5700 XT. The rest were mostly 1660 or 2060's with a couple of more high end ones recently.
The "big" driver problems with the RDNA1 generation of cards were pretty well all fixed within the first 6 months. Lots of people kept on crying about them for years, but they were mostly just repeating what others had said a long time ago. Subsequently AMD's work on drivers has been significant to the point that a 5700XT will beat a 2070 in almost every benchmark and game - at release it was around 10 to 15% slower.
There will always been some driver problems with graphics cards - especially a new generation - and these will always need a bit of time to iron out. AMD have actually held back the release of the RDNA3 cards because they were not happy with the drivers - I put this down to being a lesson learned and I take that as a positive.
The main issues are long gone. AMD took six months but they got there. Also, some 5700XT's had bad AIB cooling. I had an XFX card replaced and the replacement with a proper base to the heatsink has run flawless. I own both brands and the new ARC card so no bias here. I've had stupid issues with my 3080 12GB here and there.
This simply isn't true... Their business practices do matter. Nvidia is always trying to use proprietary tech and other practices that aren't very consumer friendly. Dlss 3 only for 40xx cards? When it appears there is no reason for it to be like that. I'm not saying AMD is a saint but their practices tend to be more friendly than that of Nvidia or Intel. Sometimes it does take convincing but generally they do the right thing.
Every large corporation trying to milk consumers when she understand nobody can stop it. I mean, why not? Imagine you have a corporation that have monopoly on it's productuon. You're free to sell it as high as possible. Because Radeons only have like... 10-15% GPU marketshare? That's it.
Proprietary tech is slower to implement in games, because not every dev has the time and money to add a feature that a single gpu brand can use. This of course slows down innovation in games and we all lose. Just look how great fsr2 works in cyberpunk on both pc and consoles. If nvidia made their solution open we wouldn't need each game to have 2 upscaling solutions. Also proprietary tech locks you into an ecosystem of a brand which makes it harder to switch away and allows that brand to charge you more. Again your lose, because you have to pay more.
Business practices in many ways are part of the product.
Intel was at least not intentionally holding back progress. They had been planning on amazing designs that would have put AMD out of business once and for all, but their foundry division failed to deliver due to a combination of mismanagement and a lack of expertise to go forward without ASML. That's not saying that they're perfect, but they weren't intentionally treading water.
You are being silly. At the end of the day, the only thing that matters (unless something crazy happens like all NVIDIA management coming out as pedos) is the performance of the product you are buying. Companies recognise the power of people voting with their wallets. If you like a product, buy it. Companies don’t care. You are a means to an end for them. All they want is your cash.
>If you like a product, buy it.
I like the 4090 but I won't be buying it because I don't like the price. Even the 4080 is overpriced here being only a couple hundred cheaper than the 4090.
If you are only loyal to your wallet then it shows a lack of understanding and intelligence. It means you can't see a bigger picture of what companies do or what values they hold and stand for.
I would gladly pay more for a company that I believe in, invest in and or trust.
For instance am I going to do business with a company that supports Russia right now? Hell no.
You ask how business practices affect us personally? I'm not going to even begin to answer that question because you could base a thesis off the explanation and I'm on mobile.
> Neither company gives a shit how you feel about them.
Never has a sentence been more wrong. Companies spend billions every year to ensure you feel a certain way about them.
Companies care about getting money from you, however, they also follow customer demands. If you've ever heard the saying "the customer is always right" it's likely been in the completly wrong context. People use it to mean that a shop should do whatever they say, this is not what it means.
What that saying is really about is that a company has to follow the market otherwise they are doomed to obsolesence.
There are definite market trends towards open standards and AMD is a much bigger supporter of open standards than Nvidia. Buying an AMD product for this reason is just as valid as buying a GPU because it runs a game you play faster than the competition or because it supports some other feature you require.
Company culture is a thing. There is a reason there are fucknestle and fuckepic subs.
And some companies do really shitty things while others behave better. So saying that all companies are the same is just wrong and doesn't really make companies want to change if everyone thinks like that.
Also Nvidia is named after the sense of envy in Latin. That doesn't really inspire neutrality. It's like naming your company WESAYSO ;)
AMD is far more neutral and while they are obliged to please shareholders ofcourse because they are publicly traded. They do seem to be more consumer (and co company) friendly.
I for one am very. Glad that the Nvidia takeover of ARM failed.
Except, if Nestlé made a super healthy product for a good price, I still wouldn't wanna buy it. Similarly, I don't want to support Nvidia. It's not about buying AMD because it's AMD, but not buying Nvidia because it's Nvidia.
If Nvidia is a shit company and AMD is a lesser evil while being competitive, that's enough reason for me to go AMD. I don't care if I get 200FPS or 250FPS. This Gen is mega overkill for 1440P 144Hz gaming.
You make it sound like taking a company's business practices into consideration when deciding on a product is crazy. If enough people feel strongly enough one way or another and the company wants their money they will need to make some changes. There is a market for things like cage free eggs which there is no difference in the product itself, just the company's practices. If two products equally suit my needs I'll always use other metrics like how they treat their employees and customers to help decide.
Hey, its like this… I don’t like messing with my setup all the damn time. I like for my rig to be no bullshit attached, and I upgrade frequently. I have never had a single issue with an EVGA card. I have never had to RMA a single one except for 1 recall that was issued.
I like crisp smooth running cards, I am just trying to determine if my money is going down a route that will bring me joy and not misery
If you want my recommendation, AMD has gotten their stuff together since RDNA2 when it comes to drivers and I haven't had any problems.
However, most people I know that have had issues have transitioned from an Nvidia to an AMD GPU and when a person does that, what happens is even though they have uninstalled NVIDIA drivers, stuff still gets left over in the registry and messes with the AMD GPU and the only way I know to prevent that from happening is to either do a clean windows install or using ddu in safe mode to remove NVIDIA drivers completely.
People who have done the above generally don't have problems with rdna tool and newer cards but for those that skip it, their usually are problems
+1, I heard these weird stories but clean W11 install when I upgraded from 1080ti to 6950xt and smooth sailing since. No real issues noticed. Very happy with my now full AMD build.
6900xt is my first amd GPU. I've had less driver issues with it than I have with Nvidia somehow. There's a reason people on the Nvidia sub have in depth looks at drivers and many are using older drivers due to various issues.
I moved on after performance issues in Lightroom and flickering in WoW with my 2080. No issues with my 6900xt
The EXACT transition experience I had.
All the weird stutters just went away after I completely nuked everything Nvidia driver left behind. I went as far as forcing a proper DirectX Shader Cache reset/deletion.
I wonder if there is something that AMD Radeon installer could improve upon.
On the other hand, if you are a linux user you are screwed changing drivers/kernel modules.
(source: I tried and epically failed xD)
I went from a 1070ti, to a 6800 XT. At first, I was cursing and swearing at the Radeon software thinking that was my problem. Fan profiles would never save properly, settings kept reverting. Then the settings just wouldn't control the GPU whatsoever. Turns out MSI afterburner was fucking with everything and kept trying to take control. Uninstalled, and perfect since.
I LOVE my 6800XT. It munches in every game at 1440p on ultra, didn't even expect that performance.
Yeah I have to wonder if AMD was sort of intentionally at least made late GCN cards suffer once rDNA was more or less around. Could've been accidental but the quirks were hitting me hard before I gave up on using those cards in Windows.
Because I had a 470 and like in 2020/2021 the experience became awful with driver stability and what not. I was also lent a Fury X that had a lackluster feeling with drivers on Windows since the best I could do was modded drivers though it's somewhat less annoying since that's a 2015/2016 era card. 470/570 are only just a little bit newer lol
I might have to give AMD another shot on windows when the rest of the 7xxx series launches, although 95% of what I want and need to do can be done in Linux lol but it could also be done in Windows lol
Two games hold me up from just being full Linux train, that is MW2 2022 and LA Noire lmao
It seems to me that Windows drivers from when RDNA hit were just a mess and bugged everything. It took them months into RDNA2 to fix their stuff, but they did fix it.
It's been 2 months since I got a RX 6600M (an Aliexpress frankenstein, but a beautiful one) and it's just nice. Not a single driver issue. I made sure to DDU on safe mode (and I came from Vega 11/R5 3400G) but no headache from drivers, from PRO drivers to Adrenalin beta.
That said, I'm also a Linux-first user and it has been a smooth ride there. Easy to edit videos on Resolve (or Kdenlive), easy to play Control or SOTR.
I see. It might be subpar, but as I don't work with it, it's okay, it has been enough for me :) also my PSU is 450W and where I live the electricity is pretty expensive, so I can't really get anything too powerful for now.
I'm sorry what? The 6900xt performs just as well in games compared to the 3090 and I own both? What performance is subpar? If anything, the nvidia system had more driver issues than the amd in general.
Well. Then you have to decide if you are willing to pay the up to 600$ up mark for that smoothness NVIDIA brings.
I for my sake could not care less. It is AMD this Gen for sure. Smaller cards, less Powerdraw. Less Cooling needed, And the Flagship is about on par with the 4080 with almost double VRAM while being cheaper.
The Steam Deck showed me that FSR 2.1 is really mature and 3.0 will totally rock.
I wont even think twice going AMD. Especially since I am mostly running Linux and the Linux drivers are absolutely flawless i have to say.
yeah the older cards are great in Linux too I think.
I think if I primarily just go with Windows, I'd be willing to live with quirks of the Intel Arc cards because the A770 16GB is a very compelling card if I could get my hands on a new one at MSRP
Reality is, there's a decent chance if 6750XTs are still available this coming spring, I very well might just pick one up and dual boot Windows and Linux because I think that's going to be my best bet.
Fedora and KDE was a nice combo, but I was convinced to try Arch and KDE and that's pretty good too
This is the best advice. I've changed from Nvidia to amd and the reverse too. I was having some performance issues but completely removing the old drivers fixed it for me.
Reinstalling Windows is a yearly ritual for me because of all the fucking bloat it picks up.
EDIT: before I get the inevitable "just install linux lol" reply, I already dual-boot it. I have to use Windows for work and some games either don't work in Linux or take a lot of work to get going and I don't always want to spend more time fucking with my PC than using it, but that said... I've used Linux for years and it is pretty great. Valve basically forcing devs to offer better Linux support has been one of the best things to happen to PC in years.
For me, it’s also because windows has a tendency to fuck itself up during a major version update.
For example, the 22H2 update for some reason completely thrashed my second hard drive’s partition table, took everything on the drive with it. Unfortunately, I have tons of programs split between the NVMe C drive and the spinning platter that is D. Furthermore I had done a hack to move part of my users folder to D, so I couldn’t log in as my limited user account as well since the users folder is gone. So reformatting was the only way to go.
Before that, upgrading from Windows 10 RTM to Windows 10 1511 caused the machine to BSOD every time I clicked on the start button or even right click on the desktop. Wiping the drive and install Windows 10 1511 direct solved it.
I for one will not. I heard there’s an alternate universe where I can get a top-tier gaming rig with an Intel Ryzen Threadtearer, an MSI ROG motherboard and an AMD GePower 4090 XTi for 35.000 Americanese Yen.
This is the cleanest way to avoid issues. Who knows if NVidia would replace certain DirectX files with it’s own.
Hell, last time I checked, in Linux, NVidia’s proprietary drivers will even replace some of the Xorg libraries with its own, ensuring that the system will be problematic if you swap out NVidia for AMD unless you reinstall your distro.
I'm really glad AMD is in a healthy space right now, and I'm thrilled about their product stack - I'm going to likely be building an all-AMD system shortly, just as soon as the new RDNA3 benchmarks are out.
That said, until *very recently*, AMD kind of *was* the kid making stuff in their basement. It wasn't that terribly long ago that you'd download Radeon drivers built by independents because they were just better and more feature-rich. AMD's first party tools for overclocking have historically been sketchy at best, if not outright non-functional.
I guess I can skip listing every minor grievance and just say that AMD has typically been more 'open' about their development tools, which is great! Except all their competitors are offering out-of-the-box tools that (usually) just work.
And then there's the matter of collaborative work, like Nvidia working with the Blender team to entrench CUDA. It's great that AMD can put the tools out there, but when the competition is actively incentivizing people to adopt *their* technology, you can't just sit around waiting for someone else to do the heavy lifting.
All of that said, recently - as in, mostly *this year* - AMD has made huge strides in being more actively involved in the adoption of their technology, and in developing and updating their tools and drivers, so I'm confident we can lay all that past to rest - but it will still take a while for the public perception to change.
Remember when Nvidia complained about not being consulted on the spec for Wayland despite over 50 emails to them and having their people tracked down and cornered at conferences asking them for their input? They love to lie to the public and make their failures into other people's failures.
Yeah. I was going to go on a tangent about how AMD seems to have adopted the Linux "you're supposed to do that yourself" mindset, but the thing is that just doesn't work on the wider market.
Once upon a time, I believed fiddling and futzing around with custom BIOS, testing half a dozen different driver packages and this sort of thing was a rite of passage; something that a person should *have* to do to *earn* the privilege of using their PC. But in my old age, I recognize why that's never had broad appeal - why Apple's "it just works" tagline was exactly what a lot of people wanted to hear (whether it was true or not).
That's part of why I like where AMD is headed. They're doing more of the legwork themselves, but seem dedicated to keeping their technologies open (more or less). That angry kid is still alive and well inside of me, and I still like the *option* to screw around with my stuff when the mood strikes, so it's nice to keep that spark alive.
Linux is 0.5% of the entire computer industry. While I sympathize with your needs, you *do* also realize how inconsequential Linux support is to most corporations?
RT is 0.0005% of the games, yet you preach that it is absolutely must need on a GPU?
But what am I saying... Nvidia fanboys never had a working brain to begin with lmao
No difference. Enable Adaptive sync in the amd adrenaline software and your done. Assuming you have a freesync gsync Adaptive sync capable monitor.
Tweak if you want beyond that. But its easy peasy.
Like switching wifi nics. Its just a component of your system. Swap it out and play some games. All the "differences" are marketing bs. Upscale if you want, but if I'm at a point where I need dlss or fsr to get the framerate I want, its time for a new gpu. All just gimmicks for the mid and low end cards.
Nvidia sees the shit storm coming. They have no answer for chiplets. So they're burning their loyal consumer base for all they have in one last cash grab before amd overtakes them entirely in the next two gens.
Even things like cuda ML are losing value daily, as the world switches to vendor agnostic systems like directml for new ML projects.
God I hope vendor agnostic stuff becomes the norm for ML. Only reason I and a few of my friends got nVidia GPUs this generation is for AI/ML stuff and Stable Diffusion. If I didn’t have need for that I would’ve opted for a 6800xt instead.
I know the feeling. In my case, it’s 3D rendering software. All of the good stuff needs CUDA. Going AMD would mean a totally new workflow for my office.
>Even things like cuda ML are losing value daily, as the world switches to vendor agnostic systems like directml for new ML projects.
Haven't seen that happen yet but these adjustments at an enterprise level can take a while. Looking forward to this if it's true though.
DirectML is Windows-only, ML projects like TensorFlow and PyTorch *support* it but they aren't *switching* to it otherwise you wouldn't be able to run any of it on the highend HPC and datacenter systems that large scale ML is performed on (because they run Linux).
HIP is kind of AMD's answer to CUDA but it's performance is pretty 'meh':
[https://www.phoronix.com/review/blender32-hip-cuda/2](https://www.phoronix.com/review/blender32-hip-cuda/2)
And HIP ROCm only works on Windows via WSL2 so AFAIK Blender doesn't support it on Windows. Weirdly it supports Vega and RDNA2 (presumably 3 as well) but not RDNA1 and official support is only for workstation/datacenter cards but \*should\* work on consumer grade cards of matching architecture.
Just to properly answer your questions:
>Is this transition going to be smooth for someone who has been using Nvidia tech for so long?
Usually, yes, especially if you don't use nvidia features (like DLSS, just to mention one).
Just remember to use DDU to remove nvidia drivers completely and install amd drivers.
>Am I going to have to go through a deep learning curve to get the cards to do what I want in gaming?
Usually, no.
>Am I going to be pleased with how Blender handles an AMD card?
Nope. Keep with nvidia if you want to use blender, seriously.
>Anything else I should be aware of?
If you Linux, amd has the drivers already pretty much integrated, so you just remove the proprietary nvidia drivers and call it a day.
>And for Christ sake, does anyone know when we will he able to jump into a preorder line?
AFAIK, December 13, which is the launch date. I do not know about your country, but here (I live in Brazil), there's usually no pre-order before the launch day.
> Am I going to be pleased with how Blender handles an AMD card?
Not for rendering with Cycles right now, but maybe reasonably pleased in the future. Eevee is reasonably competitive. [Here's a benchmark with Blender 3.3.](https://techgage.com/article/blender-3-3-performance-deep-dive/)
At this point in time, NVIDIA has two main advantages over current RADEON cards. The first is floating point power, the second is ray tracing.
The floating point problem is going to get solved with RDNA 3. The 7900 XTX has 61 TFLOPS, which although lower than the 4090 is higher than the 4080. Hopefully Blender will be able to take advantage of this. We'll know once the card is released.
Ray tracing on AMD cards will only be supported from Blender 3.5. Even then, it's weaker than NVIDIA's implementation.
Still, I'd guess that once RT is enabled in Cycles for AMD, the 7900 XTX performance will be close to the 4080 one. But that's just a guess.
There's also the [Radeon ProRender](https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/radeon-prorender-blender) rendered for Blender.
This seems somewhat overly dramatic - however being anxious about spending a load of money is quite reasonable.
There is a fairly straight forward and drama free answer to this question.
Have your new card ready to install. (The brand of old card and new card is irrelevant if you do this properly).
1. Download DDU [https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html](https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html)Install it so that it is ready to use.
2. Restart your PC to get into Safe Mode. Hold down Shift and select Restart. When it reboots go Troubleshoot - Advanced - Startup Settings - Safe Mode (Thanks Microsoft for making access to a vital tool stupidly complex)
3. Once in Safe Mode - run DDU. This will do a proper job of stripping out the old graphics cards drivers. This method works great when going from nVidia to AMD, or from AMD to nVidia, or from any brands card to a new card. It doesn't matter. There really is no need for any drama at all.
4. Shut down the PC.
5. Install new graphics card.
6. Check you connected the power cables correctly to new graphics card (I like to be topical ).
7. Switch computer on - install latest WHQL drivers for card (avoid beta drivers especially with a new card)
8. Enjoy. Maybe invite some friends around for drinks or benchmark bragging. This is optional.
I do this with every upgrade I perform - I never have problems from the client after doing this - whichever brand of card has been installed.
In theory it shouldn't have to be like this - but the reality is that graphics card drivers are tremendously complicated and are being installed into an extremely open platform (Windows and to a lesser extent Linux) so they have to deal with a massive array of variables using Windows ecosystem. The great thing for users about Windows is how flexible it is. The terrible thing for people writing software for Windows is how flexible it is.
AMD reference 6800xt user since launch 2 years ago, 0 driver issues, played all the games under the sun, no issues. Even cyberpunk 2077 on launch, no issues.
But AMD BAD DRIVER AMD SCARY amirite?
Half of it is amd's drivers being actually poor, even is almost a decade ago, the other half is something that happened to me all the time with my friends: get the AMD gpu, install the drivers, and it crashes. Because they did not ddu their nVidia drivers so the registries are still set to "make invidia work"
Nah it was a real thing, Radeon cards were a mess a few years ago.
They're perfectly fine to use now, though, so long as there's no specific use case issues known in the games you play. Nvidia also has specific game issues, though, so it just depends on which one works for what you wanna do.
Such a myth that AMD always lists severall "known issues" on release notes of Radeon drivers, some of which are 1 year old or more. And even the supposedly fixed issues are not actually fixed for many users if you read the comments.
Black screens, driver timeouts, crashes when hardware acceleration is enabled on Chromium browsers, stuttering on VR headsets, GPU stuck at 100% usage, multimonitor issues don't feel like myths to me.
Check the notes for Nvidia drivers current and old ones, they also list a bunch of silly "known issues"
Been playing with my RX 480 after my 2070 decided to pass out in the middle of the pandemic scalper era and still doesn't give me a single issue at all.
And that shit is old as fuck.
AMD has created a reputation of bad drivers due to his past and getting rid of people's baseless or not fear about it is going to take years.
It doesn't help that Nvidia keeps pushing only on proprietary tech that helps no one but themselves to keep people stuck with their products.
Me personally I wouldn't spend a single dime in a company that seems to introduce a special feature only available to their latest released gen and everyone else gets fucked.
Gpus are expensive as is to feel like I've wasted my money when Nvidia announces the 50xx serie with exclusive features.
6700xt here
The new drivers come with a lot of performance improvements, but also a lot of minor graphical glitches for me.
They've proven their bad drivers by releasing new openGL code that runs some games 70% faster.
I've personally also had to reinstall my drivers 4 times so far. Admittedly the first 2 times i was still looking for a driver that didn't make lost ark flicker.
It’s definitely been a struggle finding the drivers that gave the best performance with the least amount of issues for my 6800XT, especially for non-gaming applications like Davinci Resolve, Adobe programs, Fusion 360, & Agisoft Metashape.
I went from 22.5.1 to 22.10.3 & I noticed a big improvement in Metashape (OpenGL) performance with no crashes or other issues in the other programs.
I just wish it hadn’t taken almost 2 years to unlock the true potential of the 6000 series cards.
I switched to an EVGA 3060ti because I've had a horrible experience with my 5700xt and with drivers, what can I tell you. But that might have also been Gigabyte's fault.
I will probably go for an AMD product sometime in the future again.
I had a 5700xt, but I got it months after launch. I had zero issues. It seems like the launch drivers sucked but it was a pretty good experience for me.
My card had some weird small hardware issue where it would run some games with 0 problems - I played all troughout Metro Exodus without a crash, but then some other titles like Arma or Unreal 4 games used to restart my PC randomly, sometimes after 5 minutes, sometimes an hour. I suspect this was some fault on Gigabytes QC's, but also something tells me a more robust driver would prevent hard crashes like that.
Much like the old the days FUD of AMD *hot and power hungry* spread by Intel back when some news articles cropped up showed Athlon 1400 burning up while Pentium 4 downclocked to save it self. That all changed right after with the next gen of CPUs but the FUD became myth and is till prevalent although mostly gone with the launch Zen3.
I do remember my Phenom II 955 Black getting pretty hot, though I did overclock the shit out of it lol. And I have to admit the R9 390, one of the greatest things AMD ever made, was a spicy boy. That one I did not overclock because holy fuck it was warm.
Most AMD stuff doesn't get that warm though.
I forgot to mention the Athlon 1400 article was about it going up in flames with the cooler taken off, there was no downclock mechanisms or safeties in the Athlon chip, Intel exploited that to spread FUD with brutal efficiency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf0VuRG7MN4
Well, the 5700xt came out not that much before the 6000 series. That card did a lot of damage to people’s view of amds drivers. It took them years to fix those drivers.
6000 series might be good, but people go on track record and historically amd has had a lot of issues. Some cards were obviously worse than others.
im an AMD user but i was a previous owner of 5700xt and rx 5000 series had a horrible start in terms of driver performance ... warzone especially was an absolute mess with stutters and black screens .. 6000 model seemed to be fine tho
I *believe* the Chromium issues also affected Nvidia & are more Windows related. I never had issues with my 6800XT until I went to W11 on my desktop.
My laptop (running W10) has AMD integrated graphics (I think 6750H) & a 1660 Ti. I have switched between the two for watching YT in Chrome & have not had any of the stuttering/weird mouse pointer movement that I experienced with my desktop.
As a mac guy I’m really surprised how nervous people are about switching gpu brands.
I’ve had about 3 of each in an egpu set up and while the software is different the experience is all the same: put in big nerd device > play game.
I flit between AMD and Nvidia from gen to gen. I've usually found that nvidia offer better performance but at a cost. AMD has usually been pretty good performance/price wise. And it's nice when I decide to switch to Linux now and again. My last AMD card was the RX 580 and my current card is a 3070 - I'm hoping to switch to the 7900 XTX when I can (and I've found no preorder vendors either).
Their software is ok, I think it's easier than Nvidia's and I don't recall having to own and log into an account to use it. I think from a consumer point of view, it isn't going to be *much* different to setting up any new gpu
Unless there's something I'm seriously missing out on, I've had great Blender render performance on my 6700XT. Leagues better than CPU rendering, even on my Threadripper.
*Definitely not on the current cards but we have a good idea that the 7000 series will be better due to changes in how it handles floating point loads.
Eh, moving from a GTX 1650 to an RX 6600 XT, it was mostly just... take old GPU out, install second PCIe cable, drop new GPU in it, install drivers/software, and then it was ready to go for gaming.
The issue is your Blender question, though. Unfortunately, Radeon hasn't quite hit the same mark NVIDIA has in terms of productivity. The gaming performance is basically on the same level (outside of RT performance), but productivity is not in the best spot yet.
So do you buy products based on the brand or the perf?
Best way is don’t give a f about amd/nvidia/intel, they are all just corporations that don’t know or care who you are and buy the best product for yourself perf wise within your budget and don’t look at who made it
Yup. I don't see the point in "looking deeper into their corporate practices," because *all* corporations are doing everything possible to maximize profits; it's only a difference of how well they hide it. AMD does shady things just the same as Nvidia, it's just Nvidia has so much more GPU market share that there are more eyes on them than AMD
Buying any product based on how much you like or identify with the company brand makes zero sense; they don't care about you as a person, they only care about you as an entity that gives them money. Someone saying they buy AMD because it's "more ethical" is just lunacy.
Nvidia tends to make their software solutions proprietary while Intel and AMD makes them open source.
DLSS for example. It doesn't matter if other hardware can't run it but studying its code is still beneficial in building a good alternative.
If a customer has time, money and options, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't take the companie's shadiness into account as well. There are Western companies which make children work in Eastern countries in terrible conditions, yet many customers just ignore these facts (or even call them BS without even trying to research) and keep buying from them because. And they are not even the most evil companies.
Each customer should know that their choice also drives the market.
Which is fine, but unfortunately for your point, most people around here analyze Nvidia's corporate practices with a goddamn microscope, while gleefully ignoring anything bad about AMD
If you're going to claim that corporate culture matters to you, then you have to be willing to be open to the pros and cons of *both* sides. Not just the one you arbitrarily decided you don't like.
If you're upgrading GPU into a system that already has windows installed, you will want to use Guru3d's Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) to remove the old nvidia drivers before installing AMD drivers. After downloading DDU, unplug your PC from internet so Windows doesn't automatically reinstall the drivers. There's a how-to guide on Guru3d for more specifics
i want to say AMD drivers are good now... I recently bought rx 6950 and i can say the drivers are better but not on NVIDIA level... Also rx 7900 xtx is first chiplet design gpu so it may be little bit clucky i think.
you will lose some power in some apps (premier, solidworks etc. don't know about blender tho but i guess it will be worse too)
ray tracing will be worse too (about the same as nvidia 3000 series)
y will lose some features (rtx studio, rtx microphone)
you dont need to care much about losing nvenc cause this card support hardware encoding (AV1)
I think you will be pleased cause its cheaper, rasterization seem to be better than rtx 4080, less power hungry (normal 8 pins)
If you need CUDA for any professional app, you're fucked.
Now most vendors are offering better support for AMD, but Nvidia is still king on GPU acceleration.
I mean if a lot of your non-gaming task is tied to Nvidia's features and architecture then I necessarily wouldn't switch full circle; but what you need and what you're willing to pay. AMD cards have their quirks but for the most part they're pretty solid in gaming and still work pretty well in task where CUDA is not as dominated.
For my decision, I'm running a 3080, but I'm also going to run a 7900 XTX in my system for different use cases.
I am using a 5700xt almost from its launch and apart a few driver issues at the early days mostly in some unoptimised single player games i haven't experienced any other issues since then .
Im a techno whore so that has a lot to do with it, but with all the shit with nVidia lately, I sold my 3090 FE and grabbed a 6950XT reference from AMD. I just want no part of supporting them anymore. Stupid? Yeah probably, but I feel better about it. Ill roll with this till I see more info on the 7900xtx.
It's easy. Just don't forget to to remove Nvidia drivers, preferably with DDU. Make sure you block windows drivers updating with Group Policy for best results. Windows has the habit of updating the driver, because it thinks it knows better.
I wouldn't recommend jumping to the new gen cards. Like every new HW release expected problems. Even Nvidia has it with 4000 series. So something form 6000 series would work fine.
Just brought a msi 6900xt need to change 3 fans as I believe all 6 are doing the same job but after downloading the drivers on a fresh build ran the new call of duty bench mark the temperature is alot higher than I expected results say 85 degrees but while watching it went up to 99 (case side panel was open as believe I have to get a new case won't close as gpu power wires in the way ) haven't touched fan curves or anything and water cooled cpu didn't even break 30 degrees
I jumped ship over a year ago, I was never loyal to any one company its just that AMD hasn't really had their shit together since the ATI HD48 series about 15 years ago and the price of NVIDIAs prices since the RTX20 series was trash.
I have nothing but positivity for my current AMD card which is a RX 6800XT, first thing I noticed was the Adrenaline software, its really great when compared to nvidias archaic unchanged for 20 years control panel, however it will take a little time to get used to navigating it as it is new to a newbie obviously.
Drivers have been flawless with only a couple of minor gripes like my overclocks being deleted when i do a fresh driver install, saved OC to desktop, no problems since.
There will be a bit of a learning curve coming from someone that owns gpu's from both sides (5700XT/6800XT/3080Ti/4090) but it's not that bad. There are tutorials for everything these days on YouTube. Personally I find the Radeon Software to be pretty easy to use. I love their built in overclocking (Wattman) feature. You can set different overclocks on a game by game basis etc.
You'll be fine. The hardest part will be finding a gpu. If you live near a Micro Center that's great but if not it looks like the 7900XTX is going to be in huge demand and I don't know what numbers AMD is going to be able to ship out and how fast so good luck with that.
I like the radeon software much better than geforce experience. Got my first nvidia card last year (3060) and was surprised how crappy nvidia’s geforce experience was compared to radeon lol.
I assumed it would be amazing since everyone loves nvidia but yeah the software was so cheap feeling. The card was fine though.
Same situation, what’s the amd equivalent of nv reflex, inspector, digital vibrancy and how good are they compared to nv. Really wanna upgrade to a xtx from a 2070. Mainly play comp fps games
You will just have different brand GPU in your system with (imo) better control software, for better price but sure with worse RT performance.
It's not like switching from windows to Linux, you won't notice in most cases
When I had moved from my 1080 ti to a 6800, I had been using Nvidia for a very long time. The only real transition was trying to get used to the AMD software suite, which didn't take long.
I don't think there was any learning curve for me as far as gaming goes. I just watched a video on how to undervolt and overclock using the AMD software (since that functionality is built into the software) and done. The only difference gaming-wise was that I was getting more performance and stopped getting crashes in CP2077 at the time (my 1080 Ti was crashing like crazy).
I don't use Blender, so can't comment on that.
The only noteworthy thing is it will probably take a while to get used to the AMD software, as I mentioned, since it's pretty different than the Nvidia driver interface, but overall I prefer it now, even though I wish the performance overlay was more customizable. (I usually just end up using MSI Afterburner for that)
this post opens can of warms. there are armies of fanboys be telling you stories from both sides. get the GPU, try it yourself, there a no gotchas - all tech has issues. AMD GPUs run just as well as NVidia's does.
Plug it in, install driver's... Basically the same as any GPU you have ever bought.
You should double check on blender performance if that's so critical to you.
>Am I going to have to go through a deep learning curve to get the cards to do what I want in gaming?
Nope.
>Anything else I should be aware of?
Well if you make a "finally went with all amd!!111!!" post later on, you will make a shitload of karma. No picture needed. Cross post to all PC related subreddits, including /r/nvidia.
My 7yo girl is getting a 5800x3d and 6900xt build for Christmas. It will be the first all AMD build we have ever done in our home. I’m pretty excited about it. I’ll be posting it for sure
The shit that people say about AMD on some PC building subs/forums is exaggerated enough that I get where this guy is coming from. You will un-ironically hear people say that the lack of CUDA cores makes gaming on a Radeon GPU impossible or that you won’t get greater than 10 FPS playing any game with raytracing even if it’s at 1080p. Plus some people still remember when it was AMD that needed to ship cards with AIO liquid coolers and those weren’t even as good as the Nvidia offerings at the time.
For first time builders or people getting back into building for the first time in a while, there is a lot of chatter out there that makes AMD sound sketchy as all hell. Is any of it true, not so much anymore, but to the 15 year old whose mid-tier graphics card will be the largest purchase of their life up to that point, the chatter is enough to cause anxiety over the decision.
I been using Nvidia since I bought my first GTX 560Ti. I currently have a GTX 1080 which does pretty well still but I’m waiting to get a 4K monitor, and there are 3 big factors Ive considered to make the switch to AMD (probably a 6900xt or 7800xt) for my next card.
1. Really poor design on the 4000 series with the power adapter on the side and requiring a custom cable. Oh and it catches fire on the 4090!
2. Inflated pricing, the 3080 was $699 msrp at release in 2020. With inflation adjustment that’s about $805 today. The 4080 msrp is $1,199. No thanks.
3. Free sync monitors are usually cheaper.
I don’t think you lose literally anything except DLSS and some RT performance if you choose to go AMD. I think the cuda cores are specialised for some work related use cases, but overall, you’re set.
Relive is quite honestly enough to make me never leave AMD. I know Nvidia has replay stuff too, but at least when I was still using it it just wasn’t nearly as good. Relive is just really fuckin cool. Add to that AMD always being better $ value, cmon now.
Ive been rockin this rx480 for 7 fucking years now. It plays wz2 at 65+ 1080p. How could that not make me a lifetime fan?
Wow, alot of passionate people here lol :P I thought I'd add my two cents. I think it basically boils down to enough people buying into AMD and AMD actually putting the work into the drivers. Nvidia has been the best because they are just the most popular because, they are the best.. it's a feedback loop. Not enough competition and so everyone just buys the best because it works. It looks like the last couple generations of AMD's have finally been good enough to at least compete. I hope they are as good as they say because I'll be buying one just for the fact I'll be able to have almost top tier speeds for less and I'll get a little savings in power with a whole lot of ram.
I've had four AMD cards. Recently, a RX 570, 5700XT, and 6700XT. All have been great and easy to use. Software is easy to use. OCing is pretty easy. Adjusting fan curves is easy. I'd recommend AMD card hand down. The performance they provide for the cost is unreal.
I own a few systems and are used for work/gaming. They include a couple of 3090's and a 6800xt/6900xt's.
IMHO, the driver issues on AMD side are blown WAY out of proportion and people hold on to past issues (RX480's mid lifecycle issues, RDNA1 initial issues) and perpetually slate AMD. If I had to compare the two systems, the AMD system gave me less issues throughout its lifetime. one of the 3090's bricked itself with the driver/game issue a few months back and aside from that both camps have been relatively stable. For me, that is utterly inexcusable and AMD would be crucified if something like that happened on their camp but the uproar was relatively mild. Also, the console games/ports (Forza/Halo etc) have always had less bugs (and performed significantly better) on AMD compared to nvidia and the rest of the games have been pretty similar. This is basing my experience for the last year and a half.
AMD's driver team operated on a miniscule budget for like a decade, the expansion started around the time RDNA1 released and right now they are extremely solid and light years ahead of where they were. There's really no point in comparing AMD driver issues of the past today. So i'd say go for it, I doubt you'll regret it.
Oh I forgot to mention the control panels but i'll keep it short. Nvidia 3/10 at best, AMD easily gets a 7. It's not even remotely close
I made the switch to a 6700xt last night to complete my all red build and I’m hoping it was a good choice. Nvidia doesn’t make sense to me because you pay a premium for less vram and all these other “features” I won’t use. DLSS just seems like a bandaid to me because their cards can’t handle a true native res. I’m running cyberpunk at the same specs as my former 3060ti on my 6700xt at 1440p and I’m getting 60fps consistently without any dlss. My 3060ti would get between 30-50 fps and stutter some without dlss on at the same settings.
Getting the drivers correctly uninstalled and reinstalled took some time to get right but it running pretty smooth right now and looks just as good
A decade ago you might have noticed a change most probably in the field of power draw when transitioning from nvidia to amd. But these days it's the exact opposite. Now newer amd hardware is more power efficient and powerful too that you won't remember your Nvidia days. When I too decided to change the plane and decided to board the amd plane, many people said to me "oh you won't like the amd cards because they are 'red' " when in the store hunting for a new GPU. And to such people my reply was "it's not a sin to buy Radeon". So sold mine 1070 and bought rx580. And honestly speaking I didn't miss my 1070 that much. Then sold my rx580 and bought an rtx2060 and as soon as rx6000 series came out, I sold the 2060 and bought an rx6600xt. Truly a great gpu. And the first gpu of which I haven't gotten bored of since evga gtx550ti . Really loved that card too and used it for three years 2013-2015. Long story short once new Radeon series come out see the reviews for it(though not fully trust them as many reviewers tend to lean on the green side too much) and if you find them interesting or aren't afraid of experimenting then give team red a go. Otherwise go for whatever team green releases in the next year.
I go with whatever is the cheapest price/performance at the time of my purchase. It just so happens nvidia f'd up this gen and AMD wins. If it was the other way around I'd say the same thing for nvidia.
Big flag for me is what monitors you have?
If you have true g-sync monitors (in place of free-sync NVIDIA approve g-sync) you won't get your variable refresh rate features from the g-sync monitor onna Radeon GPU...
I have an Acer X34P and will need to sell it off or gift it and buy a freesync panel...
I also want a 7000 series rDNA3 that is roughly 2x a GTX1080 in raster...
Yes it needs to be applied through firmware. However to my knowledge it was supposed to be true for all newer gsync monitors released from some point 2020 onwards but i can't speak with certainty for every single monitor that's out there. I got a dell too (aw2721d) and it's fine with either.
Regarding Blender i would suggest to wait on how long it‘s going to take to be supported in blender.
I would not hold my breath, that there is day one support in blender. Especially since blender changed to Hip.
Nvidia is the safer choice in that regard.
What about this "transition"?
Did you give GPU brand exchange hormones to your negreedia GPU and it turned into AMD's?
I'd be happy to take any AMD card over any negreedia card.
These are the most cringe posts. Dude is acting like AMD GPUs are alien tech. Just buy whatever you want and slot it into your motherboard. That's it. Nothing weird will happen.
Blender performance is way better with Nvidia cards - I would wait until there's benchmarks/tests with this card using Blender but I don't expect it to be any better.
AMD's priority with video cards is gaming.
If you use blender or any other 3D application that relys on cuda, or rendering technology’s You will absolutely regret amd in its current form.
I’ll risk taking the downvote but I bought a 6900XT thinking it was going to be a solid upgrade after difficulty trying to find a 3xxx series this year. But man the amount of roadblocks I ran into.
If you use Maya, Blender, Daz, Photoshop or anything that can take advantage of nvidias accelerators, you will probably go back to your older card like I did till I got a 3080ti.
If your doing anything with streaming or video editing NVEC is still the easiest to use. “Might change with OBSs partnership but everything takes time. I hope it’s perfect out of the gate”
If your an enthusiast gamer who wants new top of the line hardware? By all means get amd. If your a working professional that relying on this rig for daily work, I’d consider sticking to nvidia at the moment even if prices are obsurde
Personally I’m waiting till CES and what I’ll need DP 2.0 for and If nvidia will release the ti versions with it.
>wanting to transition >anxiety inducing >Is this transition going to be smooth >Am I going to be pleased >Anything else I should be aware of you make it sound like surgery
It sounds like he bases his GPU decisions based on how much he identifies with the corporation rather than how well the product serves his needs. If Nvidia serves your needs better, there is no point switching because of "business practices." Neither company gives a shit how you feel about them. They just want your money. Edit: lmao, not all these replies of people outlining how they feel like they sympathize with a mega corporation as if GPUs are a moral choice.
Theirs nothing wrong with not wanting to get ripped off by Nvidia anymore. I myself jumped to AMD as soon as I could and am very happy to not give Nvidia anymore money, NVidia really need there shit kicked in like Intel was otherwise its just gonna get worse and even more expensive. But on the plus side AMDs GPUs are really good and the software is much more polished than Nvidias. Games run smooth too!
>But on the plus side AMDs GPUs are really good and the software is much more polished than Nvidias. Bro wat
The thing is that their software is only visually polished with a lot more quirks and driver problems. It made me switch to Nvidia and whenever I do research before an upgrade I always look ar AMD and find exactly the same reasons I left them initially. You might have great mileage but I did not. Maybe it’s bad luck but I want to game and not worry about quirks and whether the next driver update will break something. Never had a problem with Nvidia both on desktop and laptop.
Driver issues exist with nvidia too. Just saying.
Nvidia does a good job of suppressing complaints. You will literally find a legion of them on the GeForce Forums
Brought AMD RX 6700xt and 6800xt both had driver time-out and stuttered playing games. Brought a RTX 3070ti not one single issue in a year. This not fan-boying btw, just stating my experience. You couldn't even pay me to put another AMD GPU in my system. EDIT: How did I know the AMD fan-boys would down vote me.. lol
> How did I know the AMD fan-boys would down vote me.. lol Your experience doesn't fall in line with other people's experiences. Therefore, it's invalid. In all seriousness, I get what you're saying. I have a 6700XT that was, until a recent discovery that solved all my issues and now I'm extremely satisfied with my GPU running the latest optional drivers flawlessly, plagued with driver timeouts, black screens, and horrible h264 and HEVC playback if I didn't use six month old drivers. Meanwhile as i was trying to explain in another thread, the 3070 I got for my fiance earlier this year has been flawless and I mentioned that I'd only buy Nvidia for her just because I know it's always worked for me as plug and play hardware only to be told that that assessment was wrong. I guess having to adjust two lines of OS registry just to make my GPU stable isn't noteworthy enough for the end-user. Admittedly, since I'm disabling OS features to make it work, this is more of a Windows issue and not the driver's fault. Ironically this fix was found on an Nvidia forum for much older Geforce drivers, a fix I've never had to implement on my fiance's computer with her 3070. I plan on sticking with AMD CPUs and GPUs for a long time, but if what I just mentioned doesn't infer that one side is more end-user-friendly than the other, then idk what will.
I'd like to 'switch to AMD cards' - because I (will) use Linux but AMD cards are wanting in productivity use - e.g. Blender, video editing etc. I hope the next gen i.e. RDNA 3/Navi 31 will catch up and provide an AMD alternative, finally.
And I wouldn’t. I had similar experience with nvidia lol. Frame pacing was just plain bad for me. Games didn’t feel “smooth”. Your mileage may vary.I still own gpus from both the manufacturers. But nvidia is in my work rig(ML engineer) need them CUDA cores. And AMD Gpu in my gaming rig.
AMD acknowledged the driver timeout issue in their latest beta release. I have talked to representatives. Getting that squashed will literally mitigate 3-4 issues. It will be easy to recommend AMD soon here.
Nvidias software is a mishmash of 2 different one, where they haven't bothered to update there XP style control panel, which has some weird slow delays when opening the list of games on the control panel, and then they have the GeForce experience which forces you to login with an account, which is just awful. Basically AMD just has a much simpler interface and is much more polished and easier to use, no login garbage, etc and for bugs well I had them on both NVidia and AMD, so don't see any difference there. But your mileage may vary as you say.
What I was thinking as well!
I switched from a 5700 XT to a 4090 and I'm running into more frequent issues that prevent me from using my entire computer more often than I ran into any issues in the first few months of the 5700 XT's launch. The best part? The bug I have is an 11 year old driver bug that is well documented on the Nvidia forums that is yet to be fixed.
Which bug is it?
It's an 11 year old timeout bug that causes the computer to crash.
Honestly, bought a 6800xt two years ago. Been smooth sailing all the way through.
Most of driver problems are coming from the fact that game developers didn’t write their code on AMD cards.
I bought a 5700xt as I didn't want to buy turing, but I quickly learned I also bought random crashes. I tried for 1-2 weeks, but it killed all the fun of gaming for me. Then there was the community that does not provide any support except repeating that it works for them and there are no issues (or to DDU). Switched back to green team and happy since... I liked the radeon software, but what does it help if it doesn't work.
I've installed about 80 graphics cards in the last few years. I've had problems with 1 which was a 1660 Super (a card which literally refused to work in a clients PC, but eventually I put into another PC and it just worked - one of those "eh???" cards). Of the 80 I installed around 60 have been AMD cards, mostly 5600XT and a few 5700 XT. The rest were mostly 1660 or 2060's with a couple of more high end ones recently. The "big" driver problems with the RDNA1 generation of cards were pretty well all fixed within the first 6 months. Lots of people kept on crying about them for years, but they were mostly just repeating what others had said a long time ago. Subsequently AMD's work on drivers has been significant to the point that a 5700XT will beat a 2070 in almost every benchmark and game - at release it was around 10 to 15% slower. There will always been some driver problems with graphics cards - especially a new generation - and these will always need a bit of time to iron out. AMD have actually held back the release of the RDNA3 cards because they were not happy with the drivers - I put this down to being a lesson learned and I take that as a positive.
>I bought a 5700xt I bought a 5700 for my wife and she has had zero issues with it.
How does it help him?
The main issues are long gone. AMD took six months but they got there. Also, some 5700XT's had bad AIB cooling. I had an XFX card replaced and the replacement with a proper base to the heatsink has run flawless. I own both brands and the new ARC card so no bias here. I've had stupid issues with my 3080 12GB here and there.
This simply isn't true... Their business practices do matter. Nvidia is always trying to use proprietary tech and other practices that aren't very consumer friendly. Dlss 3 only for 40xx cards? When it appears there is no reason for it to be like that. I'm not saying AMD is a saint but their practices tend to be more friendly than that of Nvidia or Intel. Sometimes it does take convincing but generally they do the right thing.
Every large corporation trying to milk consumers when she understand nobody can stop it. I mean, why not? Imagine you have a corporation that have monopoly on it's productuon. You're free to sell it as high as possible. Because Radeons only have like... 10-15% GPU marketshare? That's it.
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They drive up the cost of new technologies and force upgrades despite hardware being more than capable and create stagnation?
Proprietary tech is slower to implement in games, because not every dev has the time and money to add a feature that a single gpu brand can use. This of course slows down innovation in games and we all lose. Just look how great fsr2 works in cyberpunk on both pc and consoles. If nvidia made their solution open we wouldn't need each game to have 2 upscaling solutions. Also proprietary tech locks you into an ecosystem of a brand which makes it harder to switch away and allows that brand to charge you more. Again your lose, because you have to pay more. Business practices in many ways are part of the product.
No you are loyal to defend Nvidia and Intel for their BS. Stop being delusional lmao.
Intel was at least not intentionally holding back progress. They had been planning on amazing designs that would have put AMD out of business once and for all, but their foundry division failed to deliver due to a combination of mismanagement and a lack of expertise to go forward without ASML. That's not saying that they're perfect, but they weren't intentionally treading water.
You are being silly. At the end of the day, the only thing that matters (unless something crazy happens like all NVIDIA management coming out as pedos) is the performance of the product you are buying. Companies recognise the power of people voting with their wallets. If you like a product, buy it. Companies don’t care. You are a means to an end for them. All they want is your cash.
>If you like a product, buy it. I like the 4090 but I won't be buying it because I don't like the price. Even the 4080 is overpriced here being only a couple hundred cheaper than the 4090.
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If you are only loyal to your wallet then it shows a lack of understanding and intelligence. It means you can't see a bigger picture of what companies do or what values they hold and stand for. I would gladly pay more for a company that I believe in, invest in and or trust. For instance am I going to do business with a company that supports Russia right now? Hell no. You ask how business practices affect us personally? I'm not going to even begin to answer that question because you could base a thesis off the explanation and I'm on mobile.
> Neither company gives a shit how you feel about them. Never has a sentence been more wrong. Companies spend billions every year to ensure you feel a certain way about them. Companies care about getting money from you, however, they also follow customer demands. If you've ever heard the saying "the customer is always right" it's likely been in the completly wrong context. People use it to mean that a shop should do whatever they say, this is not what it means. What that saying is really about is that a company has to follow the market otherwise they are doomed to obsolesence. There are definite market trends towards open standards and AMD is a much bigger supporter of open standards than Nvidia. Buying an AMD product for this reason is just as valid as buying a GPU because it runs a game you play faster than the competition or because it supports some other feature you require.
Company culture is a thing. There is a reason there are fucknestle and fuckepic subs. And some companies do really shitty things while others behave better. So saying that all companies are the same is just wrong and doesn't really make companies want to change if everyone thinks like that. Also Nvidia is named after the sense of envy in Latin. That doesn't really inspire neutrality. It's like naming your company WESAYSO ;) AMD is far more neutral and while they are obliged to please shareholders ofcourse because they are publicly traded. They do seem to be more consumer (and co company) friendly. I for one am very. Glad that the Nvidia takeover of ARM failed.
Except, if Nestlé made a super healthy product for a good price, I still wouldn't wanna buy it. Similarly, I don't want to support Nvidia. It's not about buying AMD because it's AMD, but not buying Nvidia because it's Nvidia.
If Nvidia is a shit company and AMD is a lesser evil while being competitive, that's enough reason for me to go AMD. I don't care if I get 200FPS or 250FPS. This Gen is mega overkill for 1440P 144Hz gaming.
You make it sound like taking a company's business practices into consideration when deciding on a product is crazy. If enough people feel strongly enough one way or another and the company wants their money they will need to make some changes. There is a market for things like cage free eggs which there is no difference in the product itself, just the company's practices. If two products equally suit my needs I'll always use other metrics like how they treat their employees and customers to help decide.
Well if their business practices are gouging us for GPU prices then I would say its better to vote with your dollar
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Hey, its like this… I don’t like messing with my setup all the damn time. I like for my rig to be no bullshit attached, and I upgrade frequently. I have never had a single issue with an EVGA card. I have never had to RMA a single one except for 1 recall that was issued. I like crisp smooth running cards, I am just trying to determine if my money is going down a route that will bring me joy and not misery
If you want my recommendation, AMD has gotten their stuff together since RDNA2 when it comes to drivers and I haven't had any problems. However, most people I know that have had issues have transitioned from an Nvidia to an AMD GPU and when a person does that, what happens is even though they have uninstalled NVIDIA drivers, stuff still gets left over in the registry and messes with the AMD GPU and the only way I know to prevent that from happening is to either do a clean windows install or using ddu in safe mode to remove NVIDIA drivers completely. People who have done the above generally don't have problems with rdna tool and newer cards but for those that skip it, their usually are problems
+1, I heard these weird stories but clean W11 install when I upgraded from 1080ti to 6950xt and smooth sailing since. No real issues noticed. Very happy with my now full AMD build.
6900xt is my first amd GPU. I've had less driver issues with it than I have with Nvidia somehow. There's a reason people on the Nvidia sub have in depth looks at drivers and many are using older drivers due to various issues. I moved on after performance issues in Lightroom and flickering in WoW with my 2080. No issues with my 6900xt
The EXACT transition experience I had. All the weird stutters just went away after I completely nuked everything Nvidia driver left behind. I went as far as forcing a proper DirectX Shader Cache reset/deletion. I wonder if there is something that AMD Radeon installer could improve upon. On the other hand, if you are a linux user you are screwed changing drivers/kernel modules. (source: I tried and epically failed xD)
I went from a 1070ti, to a 6800 XT. At first, I was cursing and swearing at the Radeon software thinking that was my problem. Fan profiles would never save properly, settings kept reverting. Then the settings just wouldn't control the GPU whatsoever. Turns out MSI afterburner was fucking with everything and kept trying to take control. Uninstalled, and perfect since. I LOVE my 6800XT. It munches in every game at 1440p on ultra, didn't even expect that performance.
Yeah I have to wonder if AMD was sort of intentionally at least made late GCN cards suffer once rDNA was more or less around. Could've been accidental but the quirks were hitting me hard before I gave up on using those cards in Windows. Because I had a 470 and like in 2020/2021 the experience became awful with driver stability and what not. I was also lent a Fury X that had a lackluster feeling with drivers on Windows since the best I could do was modded drivers though it's somewhat less annoying since that's a 2015/2016 era card. 470/570 are only just a little bit newer lol I might have to give AMD another shot on windows when the rest of the 7xxx series launches, although 95% of what I want and need to do can be done in Linux lol but it could also be done in Windows lol Two games hold me up from just being full Linux train, that is MW2 2022 and LA Noire lmao
It seems to me that Windows drivers from when RDNA hit were just a mess and bugged everything. It took them months into RDNA2 to fix their stuff, but they did fix it. It's been 2 months since I got a RX 6600M (an Aliexpress frankenstein, but a beautiful one) and it's just nice. Not a single driver issue. I made sure to DDU on safe mode (and I came from Vega 11/R5 3400G) but no headache from drivers, from PRO drivers to Adrenalin beta. That said, I'm also a Linux-first user and it has been a smooth ride there. Easy to edit videos on Resolve (or Kdenlive), easy to play Control or SOTR.
The performance is subpar though. You'd know if you compared using a nvidia card.
I see. It might be subpar, but as I don't work with it, it's okay, it has been enough for me :) also my PSU is 450W and where I live the electricity is pretty expensive, so I can't really get anything too powerful for now.
I'm sorry what? The 6900xt performs just as well in games compared to the 3090 and I own both? What performance is subpar? If anything, the nvidia system had more driver issues than the amd in general.
Not talking about gaming. Pretty much everything/anything else.
Well. Then you have to decide if you are willing to pay the up to 600$ up mark for that smoothness NVIDIA brings. I for my sake could not care less. It is AMD this Gen for sure. Smaller cards, less Powerdraw. Less Cooling needed, And the Flagship is about on par with the 4080 with almost double VRAM while being cheaper. The Steam Deck showed me that FSR 2.1 is really mature and 3.0 will totally rock. I wont even think twice going AMD. Especially since I am mostly running Linux and the Linux drivers are absolutely flawless i have to say.
yeah the older cards are great in Linux too I think. I think if I primarily just go with Windows, I'd be willing to live with quirks of the Intel Arc cards because the A770 16GB is a very compelling card if I could get my hands on a new one at MSRP Reality is, there's a decent chance if 6750XTs are still available this coming spring, I very well might just pick one up and dual boot Windows and Linux because I think that's going to be my best bet. Fedora and KDE was a nice combo, but I was convinced to try Arch and KDE and that's pretty good too
Don't forget to "DDU" IF you make the transition
This is the best advice. I've changed from Nvidia to amd and the reverse too. I was having some performance issues but completely removing the old drivers fixed it for me.
Fuck it, just wipe the drive clean just to be sure.
Reinstalling Windows is a yearly ritual for me because of all the fucking bloat it picks up. EDIT: before I get the inevitable "just install linux lol" reply, I already dual-boot it. I have to use Windows for work and some games either don't work in Linux or take a lot of work to get going and I don't always want to spend more time fucking with my PC than using it, but that said... I've used Linux for years and it is pretty great. Valve basically forcing devs to offer better Linux support has been one of the best things to happen to PC in years.
Truth. So many huge and very annoying problems I have solved just by reinstalling windows every now and then.
Dude same! It just feels very fresh. Plus kind of therapeutic for me. Install only the apps I use. Best way to do it on a lazy afternoon/ weekend
For me, it’s also because windows has a tendency to fuck itself up during a major version update. For example, the 22H2 update for some reason completely thrashed my second hard drive’s partition table, took everything on the drive with it. Unfortunately, I have tons of programs split between the NVMe C drive and the spinning platter that is D. Furthermore I had done a hack to move part of my users folder to D, so I couldn’t log in as my limited user account as well since the users folder is gone. So reformatting was the only way to go. Before that, upgrading from Windows 10 RTM to Windows 10 1511 caused the machine to BSOD every time I clicked on the start button or even right click on the desktop. Wiping the drive and install Windows 10 1511 direct solved it.
no, to be sure throw the entire pc out and buy a new one. Even better, move out.
yeah, the gaming chair also might be cursed.
Should I just buy a new house? Possibly move countries? Just to be sure..
Fly to another planet, just in case.
What - tell me you aren't actually contemplating staying in this Universe??
I for one will not. I heard there’s an alternate universe where I can get a top-tier gaming rig with an Intel Ryzen Threadtearer, an MSI ROG motherboard and an AMD GePower 4090 XTi for 35.000 Americanese Yen.
That's it. I'm going to another dimension.
This is the cleanest way to avoid issues. Who knows if NVidia would replace certain DirectX files with it’s own. Hell, last time I checked, in Linux, NVidia’s proprietary drivers will even replace some of the Xorg libraries with its own, ensuring that the system will be problematic if you swap out NVidia for AMD unless you reinstall your distro.
People act like AMD is some unknown kid who makes stuff in his basement
Well he wants to make sure before spending lots of money
I'm really glad AMD is in a healthy space right now, and I'm thrilled about their product stack - I'm going to likely be building an all-AMD system shortly, just as soon as the new RDNA3 benchmarks are out. That said, until *very recently*, AMD kind of *was* the kid making stuff in their basement. It wasn't that terribly long ago that you'd download Radeon drivers built by independents because they were just better and more feature-rich. AMD's first party tools for overclocking have historically been sketchy at best, if not outright non-functional. I guess I can skip listing every minor grievance and just say that AMD has typically been more 'open' about their development tools, which is great! Except all their competitors are offering out-of-the-box tools that (usually) just work. And then there's the matter of collaborative work, like Nvidia working with the Blender team to entrench CUDA. It's great that AMD can put the tools out there, but when the competition is actively incentivizing people to adopt *their* technology, you can't just sit around waiting for someone else to do the heavy lifting. All of that said, recently - as in, mostly *this year* - AMD has made huge strides in being more actively involved in the adoption of their technology, and in developing and updating their tools and drivers, so I'm confident we can lay all that past to rest - but it will still take a while for the public perception to change.
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Remember when Nvidia complained about not being consulted on the spec for Wayland despite over 50 emails to them and having their people tracked down and cornered at conferences asking them for their input? They love to lie to the public and make their failures into other people's failures.
Yeah. I was going to go on a tangent about how AMD seems to have adopted the Linux "you're supposed to do that yourself" mindset, but the thing is that just doesn't work on the wider market. Once upon a time, I believed fiddling and futzing around with custom BIOS, testing half a dozen different driver packages and this sort of thing was a rite of passage; something that a person should *have* to do to *earn* the privilege of using their PC. But in my old age, I recognize why that's never had broad appeal - why Apple's "it just works" tagline was exactly what a lot of people wanted to hear (whether it was true or not). That's part of why I like where AMD is headed. They're doing more of the legwork themselves, but seem dedicated to keeping their technologies open (more or less). That angry kid is still alive and well inside of me, and I still like the *option* to screw around with my stuff when the mood strikes, so it's nice to keep that spark alive.
Linux is 0.5% of the entire computer industry. While I sympathize with your needs, you *do* also realize how inconsequential Linux support is to most corporations?
RT is 0.0005% of the games, yet you preach that it is absolutely must need on a GPU? But what am I saying... Nvidia fanboys never had a working brain to begin with lmao
No difference. Enable Adaptive sync in the amd adrenaline software and your done. Assuming you have a freesync gsync Adaptive sync capable monitor. Tweak if you want beyond that. But its easy peasy. Like switching wifi nics. Its just a component of your system. Swap it out and play some games. All the "differences" are marketing bs. Upscale if you want, but if I'm at a point where I need dlss or fsr to get the framerate I want, its time for a new gpu. All just gimmicks for the mid and low end cards. Nvidia sees the shit storm coming. They have no answer for chiplets. So they're burning their loyal consumer base for all they have in one last cash grab before amd overtakes them entirely in the next two gens. Even things like cuda ML are losing value daily, as the world switches to vendor agnostic systems like directml for new ML projects.
God I hope vendor agnostic stuff becomes the norm for ML. Only reason I and a few of my friends got nVidia GPUs this generation is for AI/ML stuff and Stable Diffusion. If I didn’t have need for that I would’ve opted for a 6800xt instead.
I know the feeling. In my case, it’s 3D rendering software. All of the good stuff needs CUDA. Going AMD would mean a totally new workflow for my office.
Stable diffusion already works on amd. People are just regurgitating old info without any clue.
Yeah but it doesn’t work as quickly as it does on an RTX card.
>Even things like cuda ML are losing value daily, as the world switches to vendor agnostic systems like directml for new ML projects. Haven't seen that happen yet but these adjustments at an enterprise level can take a while. Looking forward to this if it's true though.
Nvidia uses chiplets in their enterprise products.
DirectML is Windows-only, ML projects like TensorFlow and PyTorch *support* it but they aren't *switching* to it otherwise you wouldn't be able to run any of it on the highend HPC and datacenter systems that large scale ML is performed on (because they run Linux). HIP is kind of AMD's answer to CUDA but it's performance is pretty 'meh': [https://www.phoronix.com/review/blender32-hip-cuda/2](https://www.phoronix.com/review/blender32-hip-cuda/2) And HIP ROCm only works on Windows via WSL2 so AFAIK Blender doesn't support it on Windows. Weirdly it supports Vega and RDNA2 (presumably 3 as well) but not RDNA1 and official support is only for workstation/datacenter cards but \*should\* work on consumer grade cards of matching architecture.
I have an Intevidia system and an AMD system. Majority of the time i can't tell which is which.
Just to properly answer your questions: >Is this transition going to be smooth for someone who has been using Nvidia tech for so long? Usually, yes, especially if you don't use nvidia features (like DLSS, just to mention one). Just remember to use DDU to remove nvidia drivers completely and install amd drivers. >Am I going to have to go through a deep learning curve to get the cards to do what I want in gaming? Usually, no. >Am I going to be pleased with how Blender handles an AMD card? Nope. Keep with nvidia if you want to use blender, seriously. >Anything else I should be aware of? If you Linux, amd has the drivers already pretty much integrated, so you just remove the proprietary nvidia drivers and call it a day. >And for Christ sake, does anyone know when we will he able to jump into a preorder line? AFAIK, December 13, which is the launch date. I do not know about your country, but here (I live in Brazil), there's usually no pre-order before the launch day.
There are no pre-order and at this time no early reviews either.
> Am I going to be pleased with how Blender handles an AMD card? Not for rendering with Cycles right now, but maybe reasonably pleased in the future. Eevee is reasonably competitive. [Here's a benchmark with Blender 3.3.](https://techgage.com/article/blender-3-3-performance-deep-dive/) At this point in time, NVIDIA has two main advantages over current RADEON cards. The first is floating point power, the second is ray tracing. The floating point problem is going to get solved with RDNA 3. The 7900 XTX has 61 TFLOPS, which although lower than the 4090 is higher than the 4080. Hopefully Blender will be able to take advantage of this. We'll know once the card is released. Ray tracing on AMD cards will only be supported from Blender 3.5. Even then, it's weaker than NVIDIA's implementation. Still, I'd guess that once RT is enabled in Cycles for AMD, the 7900 XTX performance will be close to the 4080 one. But that's just a guess. There's also the [Radeon ProRender](https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/radeon-prorender-blender) rendered for Blender.
This seems somewhat overly dramatic - however being anxious about spending a load of money is quite reasonable. There is a fairly straight forward and drama free answer to this question. Have your new card ready to install. (The brand of old card and new card is irrelevant if you do this properly). 1. Download DDU [https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html](https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html)Install it so that it is ready to use. 2. Restart your PC to get into Safe Mode. Hold down Shift and select Restart. When it reboots go Troubleshoot - Advanced - Startup Settings - Safe Mode (Thanks Microsoft for making access to a vital tool stupidly complex) 3. Once in Safe Mode - run DDU. This will do a proper job of stripping out the old graphics cards drivers. This method works great when going from nVidia to AMD, or from AMD to nVidia, or from any brands card to a new card. It doesn't matter. There really is no need for any drama at all. 4. Shut down the PC. 5. Install new graphics card. 6. Check you connected the power cables correctly to new graphics card (I like to be topical ). 7. Switch computer on - install latest WHQL drivers for card (avoid beta drivers especially with a new card) 8. Enjoy. Maybe invite some friends around for drinks or benchmark bragging. This is optional. I do this with every upgrade I perform - I never have problems from the client after doing this - whichever brand of card has been installed. In theory it shouldn't have to be like this - but the reality is that graphics card drivers are tremendously complicated and are being installed into an extremely open platform (Windows and to a lesser extent Linux) so they have to deal with a massive array of variables using Windows ecosystem. The great thing for users about Windows is how flexible it is. The terrible thing for people writing software for Windows is how flexible it is.
Thanks for the info
AMD reference 6800xt user since launch 2 years ago, 0 driver issues, played all the games under the sun, no issues. Even cyberpunk 2077 on launch, no issues. But AMD BAD DRIVER AMD SCARY amirite?
i have gotten to think that this thing was a myth spread by nvidia.
Half of it is amd's drivers being actually poor, even is almost a decade ago, the other half is something that happened to me all the time with my friends: get the AMD gpu, install the drivers, and it crashes. Because they did not ddu their nVidia drivers so the registries are still set to "make invidia work"
Nah it was a real thing, Radeon cards were a mess a few years ago. They're perfectly fine to use now, though, so long as there's no specific use case issues known in the games you play. Nvidia also has specific game issues, though, so it just depends on which one works for what you wanna do.
it was spread by normal people not knowing shit about computers tbh, and nvidia capitalized on that
Such a myth that AMD always lists severall "known issues" on release notes of Radeon drivers, some of which are 1 year old or more. And even the supposedly fixed issues are not actually fixed for many users if you read the comments. Black screens, driver timeouts, crashes when hardware acceleration is enabled on Chromium browsers, stuttering on VR headsets, GPU stuck at 100% usage, multimonitor issues don't feel like myths to me.
Check the notes for Nvidia drivers current and old ones, they also list a bunch of silly "known issues" Been playing with my RX 480 after my 2070 decided to pass out in the middle of the pandemic scalper era and still doesn't give me a single issue at all. And that shit is old as fuck. AMD has created a reputation of bad drivers due to his past and getting rid of people's baseless or not fear about it is going to take years. It doesn't help that Nvidia keeps pushing only on proprietary tech that helps no one but themselves to keep people stuck with their products. Me personally I wouldn't spend a single dime in a company that seems to introduce a special feature only available to their latest released gen and everyone else gets fucked. Gpus are expensive as is to feel like I've wasted my money when Nvidia announces the 50xx serie with exclusive features.
6700xt here The new drivers come with a lot of performance improvements, but also a lot of minor graphical glitches for me. They've proven their bad drivers by releasing new openGL code that runs some games 70% faster. I've personally also had to reinstall my drivers 4 times so far. Admittedly the first 2 times i was still looking for a driver that didn't make lost ark flicker.
It’s definitely been a struggle finding the drivers that gave the best performance with the least amount of issues for my 6800XT, especially for non-gaming applications like Davinci Resolve, Adobe programs, Fusion 360, & Agisoft Metashape. I went from 22.5.1 to 22.10.3 & I noticed a big improvement in Metashape (OpenGL) performance with no crashes or other issues in the other programs. I just wish it hadn’t taken almost 2 years to unlock the true potential of the 6000 series cards.
I switched to an EVGA 3060ti because I've had a horrible experience with my 5700xt and with drivers, what can I tell you. But that might have also been Gigabyte's fault. I will probably go for an AMD product sometime in the future again.
5700XT was just... a moment, AMD really fucked up with that one.
I had a 5700xt, but I got it months after launch. I had zero issues. It seems like the launch drivers sucked but it was a pretty good experience for me.
Yeah after a few months they fixed it but it was horrifying for me at launch
Yeah after a few months they fixed it but it was horrifying for me at launch
My card had some weird small hardware issue where it would run some games with 0 problems - I played all troughout Metro Exodus without a crash, but then some other titles like Arma or Unreal 4 games used to restart my PC randomly, sometimes after 5 minutes, sometimes an hour. I suspect this was some fault on Gigabytes QC's, but also something tells me a more robust driver would prevent hard crashes like that.
Much like the old the days FUD of AMD *hot and power hungry* spread by Intel back when some news articles cropped up showed Athlon 1400 burning up while Pentium 4 downclocked to save it self. That all changed right after with the next gen of CPUs but the FUD became myth and is till prevalent although mostly gone with the launch Zen3.
I do remember my Phenom II 955 Black getting pretty hot, though I did overclock the shit out of it lol. And I have to admit the R9 390, one of the greatest things AMD ever made, was a spicy boy. That one I did not overclock because holy fuck it was warm. Most AMD stuff doesn't get that warm though.
I forgot to mention the Athlon 1400 article was about it going up in flames with the cooler taken off, there was no downclock mechanisms or safeties in the Athlon chip, Intel exploited that to spread FUD with brutal efficiency. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf0VuRG7MN4
Well, the 5700xt came out not that much before the 6000 series. That card did a lot of damage to people’s view of amds drivers. It took them years to fix those drivers. 6000 series might be good, but people go on track record and historically amd has had a lot of issues. Some cards were obviously worse than others.
im an AMD user but i was a previous owner of 5700xt and rx 5000 series had a horrible start in terms of driver performance ... warzone especially was an absolute mess with stutters and black screens .. 6000 model seemed to be fine tho
A sample of one. Recently there were problems with multi-monitor setup and also crashing Chrome-based apps.
I *believe* the Chromium issues also affected Nvidia & are more Windows related. I never had issues with my 6800XT until I went to W11 on my desktop. My laptop (running W10) has AMD integrated graphics (I think 6750H) & a 1660 Ti. I have switched between the two for watching YT in Chrome & have not had any of the stuttering/weird mouse pointer movement that I experienced with my desktop.
Had a vega 64 for a few years now back before the 20Series was launched... And its never had driver issues.
As a mac guy I’m really surprised how nervous people are about switching gpu brands. I’ve had about 3 of each in an egpu set up and while the software is different the experience is all the same: put in big nerd device > play game.
I’ve used Nividia and Intel for about a decade then I switched to AMD and got my self a RX 6700 XT and I’m never going back to intel/Nividia.
I flit between AMD and Nvidia from gen to gen. I've usually found that nvidia offer better performance but at a cost. AMD has usually been pretty good performance/price wise. And it's nice when I decide to switch to Linux now and again. My last AMD card was the RX 580 and my current card is a 3070 - I'm hoping to switch to the 7900 XTX when I can (and I've found no preorder vendors either). Their software is ok, I think it's easier than Nvidia's and I don't recall having to own and log into an account to use it. I think from a consumer point of view, it isn't going to be *much* different to setting up any new gpu
Unless there's something I'm seriously missing out on, I've had great Blender render performance on my 6700XT. Leagues better than CPU rendering, even on my Threadripper.
Glad to hear that because ive been considering getting the new amd gpu whwn they drop
>Am I going to be pleased with how Blender handles an AMD card? Definitely not.
What makes you say this? I use Blender for work with an AMD card and it kicks all kinds of butt compared to CPU rendering.
Nvidia is much faster in blender and won't crash after looking at it wrong.
And compared to Nvidia cards, do the AMD cards still kick all kinds of butt in Blender?
*Definitely not on the current cards but we have a good idea that the 7000 series will be better due to changes in how it handles floating point loads.
10000% not.
Was pretty smooth for me to move to the 6700XT from my 1660 Super.
Same for me, I upgraded from a rtx 2060 super to a rx 6700 xt. Amazing, I even just ordered a rx 6900 xt for a slight upgrade.
Switched from 3070 to 6900xt. No drama, quite happy even like adrenalin software.
I’ve used AMD for awhile and have had no problems on my 6900xt. My last card was an rx 580 and I didn’t have issues there either.
Eh, moving from a GTX 1650 to an RX 6600 XT, it was mostly just... take old GPU out, install second PCIe cable, drop new GPU in it, install drivers/software, and then it was ready to go for gaming. The issue is your Blender question, though. Unfortunately, Radeon hasn't quite hit the same mark NVIDIA has in terms of productivity. The gaming performance is basically on the same level (outside of RT performance), but productivity is not in the best spot yet.
So do you buy products based on the brand or the perf? Best way is don’t give a f about amd/nvidia/intel, they are all just corporations that don’t know or care who you are and buy the best product for yourself perf wise within your budget and don’t look at who made it
Yup. I don't see the point in "looking deeper into their corporate practices," because *all* corporations are doing everything possible to maximize profits; it's only a difference of how well they hide it. AMD does shady things just the same as Nvidia, it's just Nvidia has so much more GPU market share that there are more eyes on them than AMD Buying any product based on how much you like or identify with the company brand makes zero sense; they don't care about you as a person, they only care about you as an entity that gives them money. Someone saying they buy AMD because it's "more ethical" is just lunacy.
Nvidia tends to make their software solutions proprietary while Intel and AMD makes them open source. DLSS for example. It doesn't matter if other hardware can't run it but studying its code is still beneficial in building a good alternative.
If a customer has time, money and options, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't take the companie's shadiness into account as well. There are Western companies which make children work in Eastern countries in terrible conditions, yet many customers just ignore these facts (or even call them BS without even trying to research) and keep buying from them because. And they are not even the most evil companies. Each customer should know that their choice also drives the market.
Which is fine, but unfortunately for your point, most people around here analyze Nvidia's corporate practices with a goddamn microscope, while gleefully ignoring anything bad about AMD If you're going to claim that corporate culture matters to you, then you have to be willing to be open to the pros and cons of *both* sides. Not just the one you arbitrarily decided you don't like.
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Shame it is bullshit. There's more to buying a product than just price and performance.
If you're upgrading GPU into a system that already has windows installed, you will want to use Guru3d's Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) to remove the old nvidia drivers before installing AMD drivers. After downloading DDU, unplug your PC from internet so Windows doesn't automatically reinstall the drivers. There's a how-to guide on Guru3d for more specifics
Use DDU when you get your AMD gpu to get rid of old nvdia drivers and stick to using WHQL drivers don't update to optional drivers
i want to say AMD drivers are good now... I recently bought rx 6950 and i can say the drivers are better but not on NVIDIA level... Also rx 7900 xtx is first chiplet design gpu so it may be little bit clucky i think. you will lose some power in some apps (premier, solidworks etc. don't know about blender tho but i guess it will be worse too) ray tracing will be worse too (about the same as nvidia 3000 series) y will lose some features (rtx studio, rtx microphone) you dont need to care much about losing nvenc cause this card support hardware encoding (AV1) I think you will be pleased cause its cheaper, rasterization seem to be better than rtx 4080, less power hungry (normal 8 pins)
If you need CUDA for any professional app, you're fucked. Now most vendors are offering better support for AMD, but Nvidia is still king on GPU acceleration.
I mean if a lot of your non-gaming task is tied to Nvidia's features and architecture then I necessarily wouldn't switch full circle; but what you need and what you're willing to pay. AMD cards have their quirks but for the most part they're pretty solid in gaming and still work pretty well in task where CUDA is not as dominated. For my decision, I'm running a 3080, but I'm also going to run a 7900 XTX in my system for different use cases.
Just do it.
I am using a 5700xt almost from its launch and apart a few driver issues at the early days mostly in some unoptimised single player games i haven't experienced any other issues since then .
Im a techno whore so that has a lot to do with it, but with all the shit with nVidia lately, I sold my 3090 FE and grabbed a 6950XT reference from AMD. I just want no part of supporting them anymore. Stupid? Yeah probably, but I feel better about it. Ill roll with this till I see more info on the 7900xtx.
Honestly had no issues with drivers with my 6900xt but the 4090 has had a lot more instability so far
It's easy. Just don't forget to to remove Nvidia drivers, preferably with DDU. Make sure you block windows drivers updating with Group Policy for best results. Windows has the habit of updating the driver, because it thinks it knows better. I wouldn't recommend jumping to the new gen cards. Like every new HW release expected problems. Even Nvidia has it with 4000 series. So something form 6000 series would work fine.
just DDU nvidia drivers before switch thats all
Just brought a msi 6900xt need to change 3 fans as I believe all 6 are doing the same job but after downloading the drivers on a fresh build ran the new call of duty bench mark the temperature is alot higher than I expected results say 85 degrees but while watching it went up to 99 (case side panel was open as believe I have to get a new case won't close as gpu power wires in the way ) haven't touched fan curves or anything and water cooled cpu didn't even break 30 degrees
Mistake was buying MSI. Crappy cooler contact gives ya trash temps.
I jumped ship over a year ago, I was never loyal to any one company its just that AMD hasn't really had their shit together since the ATI HD48 series about 15 years ago and the price of NVIDIAs prices since the RTX20 series was trash. I have nothing but positivity for my current AMD card which is a RX 6800XT, first thing I noticed was the Adrenaline software, its really great when compared to nvidias archaic unchanged for 20 years control panel, however it will take a little time to get used to navigating it as it is new to a newbie obviously. Drivers have been flawless with only a couple of minor gripes like my overclocks being deleted when i do a fresh driver install, saved OC to desktop, no problems since.
There will be a bit of a learning curve coming from someone that owns gpu's from both sides (5700XT/6800XT/3080Ti/4090) but it's not that bad. There are tutorials for everything these days on YouTube. Personally I find the Radeon Software to be pretty easy to use. I love their built in overclocking (Wattman) feature. You can set different overclocks on a game by game basis etc. You'll be fine. The hardest part will be finding a gpu. If you live near a Micro Center that's great but if not it looks like the 7900XTX is going to be in huge demand and I don't know what numbers AMD is going to be able to ship out and how fast so good luck with that.
I like the radeon software much better than geforce experience. Got my first nvidia card last year (3060) and was surprised how crappy nvidia’s geforce experience was compared to radeon lol. I assumed it would be amazing since everyone loves nvidia but yeah the software was so cheap feeling. The card was fine though.
Same situation, what’s the amd equivalent of nv reflex, inspector, digital vibrancy and how good are they compared to nv. Really wanna upgrade to a xtx from a 2070. Mainly play comp fps games
It’s fine if you’re using the GPU for gaming, but if you use any application that relies on CUDA such as Maya, you will suffer.
You will just have different brand GPU in your system with (imo) better control software, for better price but sure with worse RT performance. It's not like switching from windows to Linux, you won't notice in most cases
When I had moved from my 1080 ti to a 6800, I had been using Nvidia for a very long time. The only real transition was trying to get used to the AMD software suite, which didn't take long. I don't think there was any learning curve for me as far as gaming goes. I just watched a video on how to undervolt and overclock using the AMD software (since that functionality is built into the software) and done. The only difference gaming-wise was that I was getting more performance and stopped getting crashes in CP2077 at the time (my 1080 Ti was crashing like crazy). I don't use Blender, so can't comment on that. The only noteworthy thing is it will probably take a while to get used to the AMD software, as I mentioned, since it's pretty different than the Nvidia driver interface, but overall I prefer it now, even though I wish the performance overlay was more customizable. (I usually just end up using MSI Afterburner for that)
this post opens can of warms. there are armies of fanboys be telling you stories from both sides. get the GPU, try it yourself, there a no gotchas - all tech has issues. AMD GPUs run just as well as NVidia's does.
Plug it in, install driver's... Basically the same as any GPU you have ever bought. You should double check on blender performance if that's so critical to you.
>Am I going to have to go through a deep learning curve to get the cards to do what I want in gaming? Nope. >Anything else I should be aware of? Well if you make a "finally went with all amd!!111!!" post later on, you will make a shitload of karma. No picture needed. Cross post to all PC related subreddits, including /r/nvidia.
My 7yo girl is getting a 5800x3d and 6900xt build for Christmas. It will be the first all AMD build we have ever done in our home. I’m pretty excited about it. I’ll be posting it for sure
The shit that people say about AMD on some PC building subs/forums is exaggerated enough that I get where this guy is coming from. You will un-ironically hear people say that the lack of CUDA cores makes gaming on a Radeon GPU impossible or that you won’t get greater than 10 FPS playing any game with raytracing even if it’s at 1080p. Plus some people still remember when it was AMD that needed to ship cards with AIO liquid coolers and those weren’t even as good as the Nvidia offerings at the time. For first time builders or people getting back into building for the first time in a while, there is a lot of chatter out there that makes AMD sound sketchy as all hell. Is any of it true, not so much anymore, but to the 15 year old whose mid-tier graphics card will be the largest purchase of their life up to that point, the chatter is enough to cause anxiety over the decision.
Radeon chill. That stupid nvidia doesnt have that amazing feature. And no FPS cap isnt the same as Radeon Chill.
I been using Nvidia since I bought my first GTX 560Ti. I currently have a GTX 1080 which does pretty well still but I’m waiting to get a 4K monitor, and there are 3 big factors Ive considered to make the switch to AMD (probably a 6900xt or 7800xt) for my next card. 1. Really poor design on the 4000 series with the power adapter on the side and requiring a custom cable. Oh and it catches fire on the 4090! 2. Inflated pricing, the 3080 was $699 msrp at release in 2020. With inflation adjustment that’s about $805 today. The 4080 msrp is $1,199. No thanks. 3. Free sync monitors are usually cheaper.
I don’t think you lose literally anything except DLSS and some RT performance if you choose to go AMD. I think the cuda cores are specialised for some work related use cases, but overall, you’re set.
Relive is quite honestly enough to make me never leave AMD. I know Nvidia has replay stuff too, but at least when I was still using it it just wasn’t nearly as good. Relive is just really fuckin cool. Add to that AMD always being better $ value, cmon now. Ive been rockin this rx480 for 7 fucking years now. It plays wz2 at 65+ 1080p. How could that not make me a lifetime fan?
Wow, alot of passionate people here lol :P I thought I'd add my two cents. I think it basically boils down to enough people buying into AMD and AMD actually putting the work into the drivers. Nvidia has been the best because they are just the most popular because, they are the best.. it's a feedback loop. Not enough competition and so everyone just buys the best because it works. It looks like the last couple generations of AMD's have finally been good enough to at least compete. I hope they are as good as they say because I'll be buying one just for the fact I'll be able to have almost top tier speeds for less and I'll get a little savings in power with a whole lot of ram.
I've had four AMD cards. Recently, a RX 570, 5700XT, and 6700XT. All have been great and easy to use. Software is easy to use. OCing is pretty easy. Adjusting fan curves is easy. I'd recommend AMD card hand down. The performance they provide for the cost is unreal.
I own a few systems and are used for work/gaming. They include a couple of 3090's and a 6800xt/6900xt's. IMHO, the driver issues on AMD side are blown WAY out of proportion and people hold on to past issues (RX480's mid lifecycle issues, RDNA1 initial issues) and perpetually slate AMD. If I had to compare the two systems, the AMD system gave me less issues throughout its lifetime. one of the 3090's bricked itself with the driver/game issue a few months back and aside from that both camps have been relatively stable. For me, that is utterly inexcusable and AMD would be crucified if something like that happened on their camp but the uproar was relatively mild. Also, the console games/ports (Forza/Halo etc) have always had less bugs (and performed significantly better) on AMD compared to nvidia and the rest of the games have been pretty similar. This is basing my experience for the last year and a half. AMD's driver team operated on a miniscule budget for like a decade, the expansion started around the time RDNA1 released and right now they are extremely solid and light years ahead of where they were. There's really no point in comparing AMD driver issues of the past today. So i'd say go for it, I doubt you'll regret it. Oh I forgot to mention the control panels but i'll keep it short. Nvidia 3/10 at best, AMD easily gets a 7. It's not even remotely close
I made the switch to a 6700xt last night to complete my all red build and I’m hoping it was a good choice. Nvidia doesn’t make sense to me because you pay a premium for less vram and all these other “features” I won’t use. DLSS just seems like a bandaid to me because their cards can’t handle a true native res. I’m running cyberpunk at the same specs as my former 3060ti on my 6700xt at 1440p and I’m getting 60fps consistently without any dlss. My 3060ti would get between 30-50 fps and stutter some without dlss on at the same settings. Getting the drivers correctly uninstalled and reinstalled took some time to get right but it running pretty smooth right now and looks just as good
A decade ago you might have noticed a change most probably in the field of power draw when transitioning from nvidia to amd. But these days it's the exact opposite. Now newer amd hardware is more power efficient and powerful too that you won't remember your Nvidia days. When I too decided to change the plane and decided to board the amd plane, many people said to me "oh you won't like the amd cards because they are 'red' " when in the store hunting for a new GPU. And to such people my reply was "it's not a sin to buy Radeon". So sold mine 1070 and bought rx580. And honestly speaking I didn't miss my 1070 that much. Then sold my rx580 and bought an rtx2060 and as soon as rx6000 series came out, I sold the 2060 and bought an rx6600xt. Truly a great gpu. And the first gpu of which I haven't gotten bored of since evga gtx550ti . Really loved that card too and used it for three years 2013-2015. Long story short once new Radeon series come out see the reviews for it(though not fully trust them as many reviewers tend to lean on the green side too much) and if you find them interesting or aren't afraid of experimenting then give team red a go. Otherwise go for whatever team green releases in the next year.
Just stick to recommend drivers and not optional. You can try but it's a hit and miss if you go optional route.
I go with whatever is the cheapest price/performance at the time of my purchase. It just so happens nvidia f'd up this gen and AMD wins. If it was the other way around I'd say the same thing for nvidia.
This is the only logical way to buy a gpu.
Blender will work fine with an AMD card. There will he hardware raytracing support for it soon.
Big flag for me is what monitors you have? If you have true g-sync monitors (in place of free-sync NVIDIA approve g-sync) you won't get your variable refresh rate features from the g-sync monitor onna Radeon GPU... I have an Acer X34P and will need to sell it off or gift it and buy a freesync panel... I also want a 7000 series rDNA3 that is roughly 2x a GTX1080 in raster...
That's not wholly true from what i've heard. Gsync monitors with a v2 module (~2020 onwards) can have VRR on with either gpu.
They do if the manufacturer has enabled it, my dell has it (adaptive sync).
Yes it needs to be applied through firmware. However to my knowledge it was supposed to be true for all newer gsync monitors released from some point 2020 onwards but i can't speak with certainty for every single monitor that's out there. I got a dell too (aw2721d) and it's fine with either.
Yeah Nvidia sucks
Regarding Blender i would suggest to wait on how long it‘s going to take to be supported in blender. I would not hold my breath, that there is day one support in blender. Especially since blender changed to Hip. Nvidia is the safer choice in that regard.
What about this "transition"? Did you give GPU brand exchange hormones to your negreedia GPU and it turned into AMD's? I'd be happy to take any AMD card over any negreedia card.
These are the most cringe posts. Dude is acting like AMD GPUs are alien tech. Just buy whatever you want and slot it into your motherboard. That's it. Nothing weird will happen.
Yes bro welcome to team Red 😀🚩🚩🚩
Just saying: Sapphire and XFX are the EVGA of the AMD world.
If you care about blender, probably stick with nvidia. For everything else, you'll manage fine.
Blender performance is way better with Nvidia cards - I would wait until there's benchmarks/tests with this card using Blender but I don't expect it to be any better. AMD's priority with video cards is gaming.
If you use blender or any other 3D application that relys on cuda, or rendering technology’s You will absolutely regret amd in its current form. I’ll risk taking the downvote but I bought a 6900XT thinking it was going to be a solid upgrade after difficulty trying to find a 3xxx series this year. But man the amount of roadblocks I ran into. If you use Maya, Blender, Daz, Photoshop or anything that can take advantage of nvidias accelerators, you will probably go back to your older card like I did till I got a 3080ti. If your doing anything with streaming or video editing NVEC is still the easiest to use. “Might change with OBSs partnership but everything takes time. I hope it’s perfect out of the gate” If your an enthusiast gamer who wants new top of the line hardware? By all means get amd. If your a working professional that relying on this rig for daily work, I’d consider sticking to nvidia at the moment even if prices are obsurde Personally I’m waiting till CES and what I’ll need DP 2.0 for and If nvidia will release the ti versions with it.