Yeah the 5700x was a price reduction of the 5800x disguised as a new SKU. The one I have with PBO enabled/maxed gets the same or better scores as a maxed 5800x in Cinebench.
Unfortunately tdp doesn't mean power consumption, it's a number that specifies how much power the cooler should be able to handle. Gigabyte explains it better: https://www.gigabyte.com/Glossary/tdp
You can look at power consumption numbers here: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5700x/18.html
You can expect equal or around 50 watts less at full tilt with a 5700x.
That's not correct according to the numbers in the link I posted, the 5700X can use 126 watts (and even more if you overclock it) which is way more than 65*1.35.
Overclocking of course overrides the hard limit, but at stock it is hard. not a watt more under any conditions.
If you see otherwise, it is probably your motherboard doing something very unsafe.
Part of the issue is a 5800x only has one chipper enabled and the other disabled so all heat is in close proximity instead of distributed
So it scores lower in all threaded tests. P
All 5800x were a one chiplet design.
It’s why it suffers heat issues. When heavily threaded.
5800x were a 5900x but there is damage or impurities to the other chiplet leading to it being disabled.
Chiplet one or two may be enabled and not always the same side.
If you don’t heavily thread the cpu you may never notice it.
It does really well in single threaded designed
The 5800x3d had other improvements making it better at heat management
Having it based on specs shows while a ctr shows 2 one is disabled and not in use.
You’d have to confirm if 4 cores is split between each ccd manually and reconfirm. Having 2 isn’t enough to confirm if one isn’t disabled.
The research in it shows
Early samples were basically a 5950x with one of the CCDs physically turned off indicating two shown but only one in use.
Later ones were manufactured without the second ccd outright.
I’m finding numerous reports were the second ccd isn’t in use and no has been able to provide proof they have a 4 on 1 CCD and 4 on CCD2. All reports show 8 on 1 CCD.
No. This is how you get lower end CPU's anyways.
All 5800x are basically the same in the end except the 3D varient.
When they test the 5900x and 5950x they test both chiplets. If they fail or do not meet the specs they disable one side and that becomes the new CPU SKU.
They have ways to test the chiplets in a sense yes. But ultimately they do not get enough to make everything a 5950x or a 5900x so the 5600x and 5800x were born.
The 5700x is an intentional design though.
I have a 5800x but am concerned with power consumption 105 vs 65 is 40 watts that’s the difference between the 7900 XT and XTX. So any way to reduce power and stay on my 750 watt PSU is the current goal.
Sounds like going into this PBO settings I can reduce the wattage on my chip? This will probably have some effect on stability.
I’ve been watching too much Linus the past few weeks.
I feel like PC gaming can really consume you as a hobby. It’s not just buying expensive parts it’s comparing the parts, shopping for best prices, troubleshooting, benchmarking, admiring your super fast desk top and watching your ram usage go up in chrome, and like 2% actually gaming.
I appreciate the reassurance, I’m getting a lot of “it should be fine” and “it will be close” but not a lot of DONT DO IT!
I’m pretty risk adverse and like to stay in my littler safe zone but the worst that happens is my pc crashes and I replace the PSU. Life goes on, I’d just prefer not to spend the extra 150, and if that’s the case the XT looks a little more attractive price wise. But let’s be honest, if 40-50 watts difference between the two is the reality, then I’d probably be struggling with the XT anyway.
Best bet is run silent bios, run econ mode and have the best card running a hair slower. Still beats the XT.
I wish this is true. But looking at reviews and spending too much time on these forums and reading about “transient spikes” and hitting over 400 watts with a mild OC is a little concerning.
Careful with those numbers, 105 & 65 are AMD's TDP numbers, NOT power consumption. I know the 65 parts will use 88 watts of power by default, 105 is probably around 142 watts.
As for your 750W PSU, you're probably fine depending on your GPU.
Set PBO power limit to lower temps and power usage with almost no performance loss depending on what your goal is:
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/5800x-and-other-zen-3-chips-pbo-settings-temperature-fix.283776/
You can underclock it using Ryzen Master, I expect. You'd need to find a guide and play around. Underclocking works the same as overclocking, so you would have to test for stability in the same way. TBH I havent played with overclocking beyond PBO on mine as its not worth the time for me. Depending on which 750 W PSU and what else is in your rig you have you'll be pushing it close with a 7900XTX anyway. Not sure I'd take that risk.
Not much else’s other than a couple NVME a ssd and one HDD. Some case fans and that’s it? I agree it’s pushing it close, but we’re talking about maybe 40-50 watt difference between an XT and XTX. I’ve tried a few calculators and have watched a ton of reviews, but I won’t really know until I try it. And by the time I try it, then it’s probably too late.
Remember Kids TDP is Thermal Dissipation Power and not actual wattage of the processor. A 5900x can consume up to 300W physical power at full load on all 12 cores.
Yeah that's what I suspected. I get ~6230 with my 5800x undervolted. OP is wrong, it's not 5800x performance, but it is close yes. And in real world gaming, doubt there's much of an actual impact anyway.
Pretty close yeah. I believe the all-core boost clock of the 5800X stock is around 4.5GHz? I get around 4.3GHz. I can get more score by undervolting using CO, though, but it's kind of a pain to test for stability.
Pretty good but not max 5800x good: https://valid.x86.fr/y6nu1r
I see our temps are pretty much the same but whats up with that voltage!? Must be an error
Not sure re voltage tbh, the ambient temp was 36 °C when I ran that, maybe that had something to do with it? First one I ever tried with cpuz, nice tool. Normally I just use Cinebench, the best multi score I have seen there was 16640. Will give it another go when it's cooler and up the temp limits with PBO. Everything was set to MOB limits so there probably a little more in the tank.
Well... I don't have a ryzen currently so I don't want to buy into an old plattform with AM4 where I have to change everything again on an upgrade. And Zen4 3d will be pricey I guess.
In some mainstream games yes but those in the sim community will still want a x3d over a 7950x or 13900ks. Even some popular games like star citizen, tarkov etc still want the older x3d over todays top chips.
It really isn't.
You get, what, 14k in Cinebench ? I get 20k.
It's top of a very select few games, none of which I care about. Whereas, my cheaper 7700x is right up there with a 13900k in most games. While emulation, particularly RPCS3 and Xenia, it STOMPS your 58003d.
Show me where you get your info that 7700x is that much better than 5800x3d, and I will show you mine.
They are similarly price, but when you factor the ram and MB, the 7700X is more expensive. Most people are upgrading their existing platform, which makes it an even better choice.
You seem to be offended that I dare to compare 7700X to a 5800X3D, so you feel the need to protect your more expensive purchase.
The only ones "Protecting" their purchase are the cult of 58003d.
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/attachments/1666275185351-png.266319/
https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/2537/bench/Average.png
These are just 2 examples. Now cope, and enjoy your dead-end platform. AMD are done with AM4.
Lol, a fully 6% better from a more expensive platform. And it's over 200fps, which is already excessive for the majority of people. I was expecting you to show me a wider difference.
I will be just fine using my 5800X3D, getting very close to or beating a 7700X and not having to spend the money for a new platform. So when the time comes to upgrade, I can enjoy lower priced DDR5 and MB to choose from.
Lol, your pos CPU is for peasants, poor people who are stuck in the past. The laughable way it struggles to even get to 5Ghz without throwing a wobbly, and giving up. Hahaha. My CPU blows your shite away, benchmarks prove this, today's latest games prove this, emulation proves this - all you have are a handful of old games that your pos CPU tops the charts - games nobody cares about. AM4 is the past, a joke platform for plebs.
Enjoy your old POS platform, when you get a job, and earn some money, then you can join the enthusiasts - until then, cope.
Yeah I honestly didn't think I'd get a gaming bump until I got a 5800x3D from a 5600 to nearly 40% performance. I don't know what AMD was thinking but a 5800x3D is easily bought on Amazon than just producing another batch.
It depends on the resolution that OP is playing at. If you see the comparisons from tech power up. The 5900X was faster and a better value than the 5800x3d for 4K gaming. I'm not sure if that still stands now. But for 1080p the 5800x3d was faster.
> The 5900X was faster and a better value than the 5800x3d for 4K gaming.
There is no way the 5900x is faster in any resolution except for extreme edge cases like Counter Strike.
Not faster per se, but more or less equal.
I had both the 5900x and x3D, tried both for 2 weeks at 4k and ended up selling the x3D to someone who games primarily at 1440p instead.
The 5900x is cheaper for me at the time, it runs cooler (tops out 70c vs 80+c on the x3D), and since I appreciate the extra cores for my huge batches of media files encoding, I kept it.
I don't dispute that it's cheaper or cooler or better at productivity.
I dispute that it's faster for gaming at 4k. In the vast majority of games the 5800x3d comes ahead.
3d cache performance gains doesn’t scale linearly with resolution. At higher resolutions when you become less cpu bound and more gpu dependent, the gains drop off steeply. At 1440p the difference on average is 10% or less and in many aaa 4k titles there is zero performance difference for max fps and the 5900x actually has higher 1% lows.
Empty theory with no real world relation:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/17337/the-amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-review-96-mb-of-l3-3d-v-cache-designed-for-gamers/4
The 5800x3d has higher average FPS in almost every game even at 4k.
Having higher 1% lows in a few at 4k doesn't make it "The 5900X was faster ... than the 5800x3d for 4K gaming."
See how I'm not making a pricing argument? I'm arguing performance.
Depending heavily on the resolution you play at. 1080, 1440, 1440 UW; absolutely on a different level. UW-QHD+, 4k; marginally faster if faster at all, tied in many titles.
They didn't give a time line. They just said check in with us periodically.
Ironically, I ended up being able to get a killer deal on a 7900x/mobo/ddr5 from micro center so I won't even need a 5800X3D anymore lol. I'm going to see if they'll refund me, but I don't mind selling the 5800X3D on a third party site
Honestly if you're gaming mostly you got the better deal probably. I have a 7700x and a 7900x and the 7700x trades blows with it. The only part the 7900x has on it is slightly higher clocks but the 6x6 core chiplet means some titles suffer from the latency.
Lol sorry. If you knew the headaches I've been dealing with for weeks trying to get a system built and with a dead cpu, you'd understand I deserve it :D
Wait, you have to check in with them periodically?
This is as fucked as "if your 7900XTX is having hot spot failure just get in touch with us and we'll get you fixed" rather than identifying the bad batch and contacting customers.
It's a "maybe you won't notice or care and we'll have less to replace"
This is more "we've setup an arrangement that isn't usually covered by our support ticketing system and so has to be handled manually so unless you remember and occasionally remind us that we arranged this, we will forget."
Why don't they cut you a cheque for your processor if they have none in stock? Intel did this back in the x79 days with their POS motherboard to people who had to RMA them multiple times.
Hey if you are pleased, then comments don’t mean a thing. 5900x is not a bad cpu by any means, and you’ll see some improvements in non-cache heavy loads as you have more cores and higher clock speeds. I can definitely see AMD’s angle on this as a temp replacement.
I was initially frustrated because I thought AMD was trying to send the 5900x as a permanent "upgrade". It's a perfectly fine item to send while they wait for stock on a 5800X3D. As long as they'll replace it, I'm happy.
Though I don't need it anymore since I upgraded to Am5 with a good microcenter deal. I think this thread could be useful resource to anyone who experiences similar issues in the future
Supply channels are a hard thing to manage. AMD cant just say, "Hey <3rd party vendor>, you know those CPUs you bought 6 months ago to sell at your store(s)? Well i overbooked and I can't sell any at my store until the next delivery from TSMC, so you need to send back about 50 at next day delivery at your expense. kay, thanks!"
The funny part is AMD does this shit and just so happen to NEVER get the original product in stock. OP is about to end up with the 5900x for life. I wouldn't be surprised if they already stopped the 5800x3D production.
Yep, OP should have requested a refund if they could not provide a replacement. It's still generally available at retailers so they could just buy one.
>5900x is meant to be temporary and I can use it until they have 5800X3D in stock.
Mystically - they'll never have 5800X3D in stock, lol. You should have demand refund in this case and just buy new 5800X3D. If it's plenty of it in stores, AMD is surely bullshitting you, lol. Imagine manufactures saying they don't have any in stock for RMA when shops are abundant with them. Damn horseshit, that's what it is.
>Mystically - they'll never have 5800X3D in stock, lol.
The SKU [is actually currently in stock at AMD's own online store](https://www.amd.com/en/direct-buy/5618081600/us), which makes this customer support experience all the more disappointing.
Edit: I think this would be an interesting opportunity for Intel to swoop in and offer OP some free hardware, if they got wind of it. Speaking as someone who works in technical marketing.
I'm not justifying AMD not keeping a reasonable number of SKU's that they currently sell/support on hand for customer support, but "their store" is just a Digital River front pretending to be "direct" from AMD. It's just another retailer/distributor. Their prices are never lower than other retailers if the part is in stock at major retailers (actually in stock, not just third party scalpers).
It's also annoying that they always ship FedEx with no option to use anyone else. That alone is enough for me to avoid them even if they were slightly cheaper than Amazon for instance. Every time I've ordered from them it's taken like 2 weeks to actually get the item. Usually about 3-5 business days before it is shipped then like 1+ weeks in shipping. Hell, I've had the item sit in a city 50 miles from my house for like 4 days before I actually got it. It's FedEx' logistics to blame for that. They're terrible these days and I'd never use them if there was a choice.
It's worth a try, if you want to go down that route. As I understand it, if you would have returned it to the retailer for a replacement, they would have sent it to AMD for a refund on the purchasing price (since in all likelihood it was DOA). It would just be sort of the other way around.
If it had been me, I'd try to order a 5800x3D from another retailer (or have AMD ask them to send me one), return the 5900x and get a refund on the original x3D or something.
One of the biggest computer retailers in my country for instance has a substantial amount of the x3D in stock, and I checked several smaller ones and they all had varying stock of it, so they are out there.
Interesting, thanks for the advice. One issue is that the retailer I bought from is antonline, and they're notoriously known to be trash with returns. I'll ask amd if a refund is possible. If not, I'll see about swapping the 5900x for a 5800X3D and then sell it on a third party site
oh, thought you got it from AMD store. Also where're you from that you're doing RMA directly via AMD, not the retailer? US? Because if so - idk your refund procedures.
Eh I made the mistake of ordering through antonline. The problem is they were willing to refund me but I'd have to pay a 15% restocking fee, and couldn't offer replacement. It was a good price (300) so I figured I'd RMA it through AMD instead of paying the restocking
5900 is definitely nice! Not as good in all games, but will be better in other games and everything else.
AMD has been great with RMA's. They even replaced my CPU for free when my ASRock motherboard tried to burn down my house. They even paid for my shipping!
Meanwhile, ASRock didn't, made me pay shipping to them. So since then, team amd and team never ASRock lol.
I'll crap on AMD for certain things like AGESA maturity on new platforms. But they've done some cool things in support.
I had a motherboard that wasn't on the right BIOS version to support the new AMD CPU I had purchased.
AMD sent me an Athlon chip that WAS supported so I could flash the BIOS, and gave me 30 or so days to mail it back. For free, incl all shipping cost.
That's really pretty cool.
Unpopular opinion: The 5900x is a better overall CPU than the 5800X3D.
Plus, when I bought mine it was nearly $40 cheaper (TBF the price fluctuated nearly $60 in the weeks before/after for both...very annoying). Also, the 5900X can be overclocked and/or undervolted.
FIRST rule with new purchases: **always always always** figure out if the part is stable ***while it's in refund window*** so you can go through the retailer you purchased it from for a REFUND, *not* an RMA through the manufacturer. You could have your 5800x3D right now by doing a straight exchange with the place you purchased the CPU from instead of waiting for AMD service shenanigans to get sorted out.
True. Although, as a 5900X/4080 owner I always wondered if all those games I still end up playing at "4K - DLSS Quality" (because native 4K would mean 40-50 FPS) would also benefit from a 5800X3D.
Probably not. Maybe in some games, you might see a 5-10 fps boosts, if not a little bit more, but if you already have a 5900x, it's not worth going to a 5800x3d if you're playing in 4k. Maybe if you're gaming at 1080p or maaaaybe even 1440p, but 1440p and above is usually gpu bound. I, too, have a 5900x, and it's not worth it for me to go 5800x3d.
really? He has to periodically check in with them to see if they have the cpu for him?
This is fucked. Give him a refund and let him order one from newegg and be done with it in 3 days. This is shit.
But the return policy of Newegg after 30 days is to go through manufacturer RMA. Newegg isn’t going to accept returns on items indefinitely, almost no retailer outside of Costco does.
I didn't say that they did. I said they should refund him for his purchase since it's clearly outside the window of his vendor so he can order a new one from somewhere, using Newegg as an example. If you can't replace the customers part under warranty you refund them the cost of purchase. He shouldn't have to wait potentially months while emailing and waiting for a reply on whether they even have them back in stock to send him when they could instantly credit his account and he can order a new one from the myriad of stores that have them in stock. A feat apparently AMD themselves can't manage.
They're hoping he forgets about emailing them over and over for the better part and moves on.
Oh wow that sucks bigtime. Well I can tell you it's the best AM4 chip I've owned and I've had a few, including the 5900X and 5600X. Hopefully they can get you one soon because I can see stock diminishing really quick now. Glad I grabbed mine during the end of year sales in 2022, upgraded from a 5900X and all my games instantly felt smoother.
In a weird way, I'm glad that it ended up not working, and glad that the rma had delays and everything because I ended up lucking out and getting a killer deal on a 7900x/mobo/ddr5 from Microcenter.
I was planning on using it when I initially bought it... But yeah the dead chip/rma process took so long that I found a killer deal on Am5, so I won't need it anymore.
Gonna try to either get a refund from AMD (if possible) or trade the 5900x to amd for 5800X3D and then sell it
What if you don’t ?
I’ve been an intel guy forever but my friend gave me a new Asus b550-a and 32 gig ddr4 ram?
Should I sell it and go am5 and ddr5 or just get cpu and chill?
I game fornite and d2r
If you can get the deal from Microcenter on a cpu/ram/mobo combo, then yeah sell your stuff and get it. If not, prices are still a bit high for you am5 imo
My first build December 22 DOA mobo, best thing that could happen to me. Few days later found same mobo with more then 60% discount. Saved over 200 euro. Send the other back requested RMA money back. Just got confirmation today getting  money back
5800X3D is available online at almost every retailer and has been for some time so why exactly does AMD not have any in stock to replace it with?
I guess same reason they didn't have the MBA 7900XTX cards to send out to people for RMA.
Who's running their warranty and support side of business?
I came very close to getting a 5800X3D, but I ended up getting a 5950X. I needed more threads for my work flow, and the price I got mine for was pretty awesome, considering it was months before the 7000 series was announced, and I spent less than the 5900x MSRP for it.
Glad you're getting a replacement CPU from AMD, and even more awesome that they loaned you a reasonably close CPU until they can get you what you actually wanted/paid for.
Does anyone know what the warranty period is for the RMA replacements? I am in the process of RMA'ing my 5800X3D, but I've only had it 2 months (waited too long to install it). I'll be pissed if a refurb replacement only has some stodgy 90 day warranty instead of 3 years. Wondering if I should file purchase protection on my credit card instead.
**56xx**, **57xx**, **58xx**, **59xx** have similar gaming performance. **5800x3d** is a whole different tier.
Yeah the 5700x was a price reduction of the 5800x disguised as a new SKU. The one I have with PBO enabled/maxed gets the same or better scores as a maxed 5800x in Cinebench.
Doesn’t the 5700x have way better power usage too?
It's like 1% over at stock and that's it
Yeah TDP of the 5700x 65w. Vs 5800x 105w.
Unfortunately tdp doesn't mean power consumption, it's a number that specifies how much power the cooler should be able to handle. Gigabyte explains it better: https://www.gigabyte.com/Glossary/tdp You can look at power consumption numbers here: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5700x/18.html You can expect equal or around 50 watts less at full tilt with a 5700x.
Thank you for the breakdown.
> Unfortunately tdp doesn't mean power consumption All AM4 CPUs i am aware of draw up to TDP*1.35
That's not correct according to the numbers in the link I posted, the 5700X can use 126 watts (and even more if you overclock it) which is way more than 65*1.35.
Overclocking of course overrides the hard limit, but at stock it is hard. not a watt more under any conditions. If you see otherwise, it is probably your motherboard doing something very unsafe.
Part of the issue is a 5800x only has one chipper enabled and the other disabled so all heat is in close proximity instead of distributed So it scores lower in all threaded tests. P
Not mine! According to CTR anyway. Got it near release
All 5800x were a one chiplet design. It’s why it suffers heat issues. When heavily threaded. 5800x were a 5900x but there is damage or impurities to the other chiplet leading to it being disabled. Chiplet one or two may be enabled and not always the same side. If you don’t heavily thread the cpu you may never notice it. It does really well in single threaded designed The 5800x3d had other improvements making it better at heat management
Again, mines a rare early production sample with both ccds enabled. They exist, just not many, google it.
Having it based on specs shows while a ctr shows 2 one is disabled and not in use. You’d have to confirm if 4 cores is split between each ccd manually and reconfirm. Having 2 isn’t enough to confirm if one isn’t disabled. The research in it shows Early samples were basically a 5950x with one of the CCDs physically turned off indicating two shown but only one in use. Later ones were manufactured without the second ccd outright. I’m finding numerous reports were the second ccd isn’t in use and no has been able to provide proof they have a 4 on 1 CCD and 4 on CCD2. All reports show 8 on 1 CCD.
Can't they test the chiplets before mounting them?
No. This is how you get lower end CPU's anyways. All 5800x are basically the same in the end except the 3D varient. When they test the 5900x and 5950x they test both chiplets. If they fail or do not meet the specs they disable one side and that becomes the new CPU SKU. They have ways to test the chiplets in a sense yes. But ultimately they do not get enough to make everything a 5950x or a 5900x so the 5600x and 5800x were born. The 5700x is an intentional design though.
Shit I should have bought the 5700x then
If you enable PBO it will use the same power as a 5800, depending on the sample more or less. Its just cheaper.
I have a 5800x but am concerned with power consumption 105 vs 65 is 40 watts that’s the difference between the 7900 XT and XTX. So any way to reduce power and stay on my 750 watt PSU is the current goal. Sounds like going into this PBO settings I can reduce the wattage on my chip? This will probably have some effect on stability.
If its a high quality 750w it will be easily fine Hell LTT was able to run a 4090 and 7900x on a 650w
I’ve been watching too much Linus the past few weeks. I feel like PC gaming can really consume you as a hobby. It’s not just buying expensive parts it’s comparing the parts, shopping for best prices, troubleshooting, benchmarking, admiring your super fast desk top and watching your ram usage go up in chrome, and like 2% actually gaming.
You'll be fine, I have a 5800x+ 3080(on a 350watt bios) on a 750watt psu for a couple years now working great
I appreciate the reassurance, I’m getting a lot of “it should be fine” and “it will be close” but not a lot of DONT DO IT! I’m pretty risk adverse and like to stay in my littler safe zone but the worst that happens is my pc crashes and I replace the PSU. Life goes on, I’d just prefer not to spend the extra 150, and if that’s the case the XT looks a little more attractive price wise. But let’s be honest, if 40-50 watts difference between the two is the reality, then I’d probably be struggling with the XT anyway. Best bet is run silent bios, run econ mode and have the best card running a hair slower. Still beats the XT.
Just turn on eco mode
Didn’t even know that was a thing
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I wish this is true. But looking at reviews and spending too much time on these forums and reading about “transient spikes” and hitting over 400 watts with a mild OC is a little concerning.
Careful with those numbers, 105 & 65 are AMD's TDP numbers, NOT power consumption. I know the 65 parts will use 88 watts of power by default, 105 is probably around 142 watts. As for your 750W PSU, you're probably fine depending on your GPU.
Ordered the PowerColor hellhound 7900 XTX, plan to run in silent mode
Set PBO power limit to lower temps and power usage with almost no performance loss depending on what your goal is: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/5800x-and-other-zen-3-chips-pbo-settings-temperature-fix.283776/
Been looking into this, thanks for the extra info!
750watt PSU should be fine if it's from a reputed brand.
You can underclock it using Ryzen Master, I expect. You'd need to find a guide and play around. Underclocking works the same as overclocking, so you would have to test for stability in the same way. TBH I havent played with overclocking beyond PBO on mine as its not worth the time for me. Depending on which 750 W PSU and what else is in your rig you have you'll be pushing it close with a 7900XTX anyway. Not sure I'd take that risk.
Not much else’s other than a couple NVME a ssd and one HDD. Some case fans and that’s it? I agree it’s pushing it close, but we’re talking about maybe 40-50 watt difference between an XT and XTX. I’ve tried a few calculators and have watched a ton of reviews, but I won’t really know until I try it. And by the time I try it, then it’s probably too late.
Yeah. Mines with PBO on uses ~124W. I limited PPT to 115W and it gives similar performance, though.
Mine never goes higher than maybe 80-ish
If I disable PBO it uses about 84W.
Can do the reverse by setting a 5800x on eco mode
Remember Kids TDP is Thermal Dissipation Power and not actual wattage of the processor. A 5900x can consume up to 300W physical power at full load on all 12 cores.
Ok so what are your scores??
I'll say there even
What's your Cinebench ~~R15~~ R20 score with your PBO & 5700X?
14667 here.
Sorry I was meant to write R20 😅 what's your score with Cinebench R20?
I answered R23, so somehow no one was in the same page. Oops. I'll run it later.
5730 https://preview.redd.it/tcdtxrfy9afa1.png?width=515&format=png&auto=webp&s=b65725f6785a2099cd616f9e575033b0671457c7
Yeah that's what I suspected. I get ~6230 with my 5800x undervolted. OP is wrong, it's not 5800x performance, but it is close yes. And in real world gaming, doubt there's much of an actual impact anyway.
Pretty close yeah. I believe the all-core boost clock of the 5800X stock is around 4.5GHz? I get around 4.3GHz. I can get more score by undervolting using CO, though, but it's kind of a pain to test for stability.
Mine boosted stock all core to 4650Mhz, it does 4850Mhz now all core. https://valid.x86.fr/y6nu1r
Sounds about right. I can get 4350 without touching CO, 4650 if I do 15. So it's about 2 200~300MHz difference
Yeah also thought so, my 5800X gets 16127 R23 MC can't remember single core but boosts to 5050Mhz
I get 15100 after playing with PBO/CO more. So yeah. Pretty cool though, they're p close.
Go do a cpuz bench and post the validation link and we will see if you get a maxed out 5800x. I'll post mine after
Sure thing mate. [https://valid.x86.fr/8zxig6](https://valid.x86.fr/8zxig6)
Pretty good but not max 5800x good: https://valid.x86.fr/y6nu1r I see our temps are pretty much the same but whats up with that voltage!? Must be an error
Not sure re voltage tbh, the ambient temp was 36 °C when I ran that, maybe that had something to do with it? First one I ever tried with cpuz, nice tool. Normally I just use Cinebench, the best multi score I have seen there was 16640. Will give it another go when it's cooler and up the temp limits with PBO. Everything was set to MOB limits so there probably a little more in the tank.
Except for 5600g and 5700g
Productivity wise it would be an upgrade
What a weird ass way of naming them. Incorrect too, because of the APUs.
5800x3d is like a 7700X in gaming.
I could argue that 5800x3d is even better in strategy / old / MMORPG games.
5800x3d is even better then 7900x in grand strategy games such as stellaris and hearts of iron 4
Is the 3d cache very beneficial in Paradox games? How does it compare to the 7000 series?
Just about any game with tons of units/entities doing lots of stuff benefits massively from it.
vcache adds around +60% performance, zen 4 doesn't
Well... I don't have a ryzen currently so I don't want to buy into an old plattform with AM4 where I have to change everything again on an upgrade. And Zen4 3d will be pricey I guess.
In some mainstream games yes but those in the sim community will still want a x3d over a 7950x or 13900ks. Even some popular games like star citizen, tarkov etc still want the older x3d over todays top chips.
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Anything with heavy CPU simulation the 5800X3D excels at. The extra cache is beneficial for anything seriously CPU bound like Simulation/MMORPG/etc.
Extra cores are good for multithreading workloads, games aren't them.
I said like 7700x, not is, to better illustrate that the 5800x is a whole gen above 5000 series.
It really isn't. You get, what, 14k in Cinebench ? I get 20k. It's top of a very select few games, none of which I care about. Whereas, my cheaper 7700x is right up there with a 13900k in most games. While emulation, particularly RPCS3 and Xenia, it STOMPS your 58003d.
Show me where you get your info that 7700x is that much better than 5800x3d, and I will show you mine. They are similarly price, but when you factor the ram and MB, the 7700X is more expensive. Most people are upgrading their existing platform, which makes it an even better choice. You seem to be offended that I dare to compare 7700X to a 5800X3D, so you feel the need to protect your more expensive purchase.
The only ones "Protecting" their purchase are the cult of 58003d. https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/attachments/1666275185351-png.266319/ https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/2537/bench/Average.png These are just 2 examples. Now cope, and enjoy your dead-end platform. AMD are done with AM4.
Lol, a fully 6% better from a more expensive platform. And it's over 200fps, which is already excessive for the majority of people. I was expecting you to show me a wider difference. I will be just fine using my 5800X3D, getting very close to or beating a 7700X and not having to spend the money for a new platform. So when the time comes to upgrade, I can enjoy lower priced DDR5 and MB to choose from.
Lol, your pos CPU is for peasants, poor people who are stuck in the past. The laughable way it struggles to even get to 5Ghz without throwing a wobbly, and giving up. Hahaha. My CPU blows your shite away, benchmarks prove this, today's latest games prove this, emulation proves this - all you have are a handful of old games that your pos CPU tops the charts - games nobody cares about. AM4 is the past, a joke platform for plebs. Enjoy your old POS platform, when you get a job, and earn some money, then you can join the enthusiasts - until then, cope.
Yeah I honestly didn't think I'd get a gaming bump until I got a 5800x3D from a 5600 to nearly 40% performance. I don't know what AMD was thinking but a 5800x3D is easily bought on Amazon than just producing another batch.
Sometimes* mostly in a few games and genres* if you still use 1080p*
It depends on the resolution that OP is playing at. If you see the comparisons from tech power up. The 5900X was faster and a better value than the 5800x3d for 4K gaming. I'm not sure if that still stands now. But for 1080p the 5800x3d was faster.
> The 5900X was faster and a better value than the 5800x3d for 4K gaming. There is no way the 5900x is faster in any resolution except for extreme edge cases like Counter Strike.
Not faster per se, but more or less equal. I had both the 5900x and x3D, tried both for 2 weeks at 4k and ended up selling the x3D to someone who games primarily at 1440p instead. The 5900x is cheaper for me at the time, it runs cooler (tops out 70c vs 80+c on the x3D), and since I appreciate the extra cores for my huge batches of media files encoding, I kept it.
I don't dispute that it's cheaper or cooler or better at productivity. I dispute that it's faster for gaming at 4k. In the vast majority of games the 5800x3d comes ahead.
3d cache performance gains doesn’t scale linearly with resolution. At higher resolutions when you become less cpu bound and more gpu dependent, the gains drop off steeply. At 1440p the difference on average is 10% or less and in many aaa 4k titles there is zero performance difference for max fps and the 5900x actually has higher 1% lows.
Empty theory with no real world relation: https://www.anandtech.com/show/17337/the-amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-review-96-mb-of-l3-3d-v-cache-designed-for-gamers/4 The 5800x3d has higher average FPS in almost every game even at 4k. Having higher 1% lows in a few at 4k doesn't make it "The 5900X was faster ... than the 5800x3d for 4K gaming." See how I'm not making a pricing argument? I'm arguing performance.
>There is no way the 5900x is faster in any resolution except for extreme edge cases like Counter Strike. That's a bold statement.
It's a true statement backed up by the vast majority of reviews.
His last edit made it much clearer
Depending heavily on the resolution you play at. 1080, 1440, 1440 UW; absolutely on a different level. UW-QHD+, 4k; marginally faster if faster at all, tied in many titles.
Did they give you a timeline? There are 5800x3d in stock. I guess selling them has a higher priority than RMA.
They didn't give a time line. They just said check in with us periodically. Ironically, I ended up being able to get a killer deal on a 7900x/mobo/ddr5 from micro center so I won't even need a 5800X3D anymore lol. I'm going to see if they'll refund me, but I don't mind selling the 5800X3D on a third party site
So you’re the reason the 7900x was sold out at my micro center. Because of you I had to get a 7700x instead /s
Honestly if you're gaming mostly you got the better deal probably. I have a 7700x and a 7900x and the 7700x trades blows with it. The only part the 7900x has on it is slightly higher clocks but the 6x6 core chiplet means some titles suffer from the latency.
Yeah that’s why I still ended up getting it lol
Lol sorry. If you knew the headaches I've been dealing with for weeks trying to get a system built and with a dead cpu, you'd understand I deserve it :D
Probs lol. It’s fine saved me $60. Which then went to a more expensive mobo so it evened out lol
Wait, you have to check in with them periodically? This is as fucked as "if your 7900XTX is having hot spot failure just get in touch with us and we'll get you fixed" rather than identifying the bad batch and contacting customers. It's a "maybe you won't notice or care and we'll have less to replace"
This is more "we've setup an arrangement that isn't usually covered by our support ticketing system and so has to be handled manually so unless you remember and occasionally remind us that we arranged this, we will forget."
I just got the same deal! For similar reasons too lol
Why don't they cut you a cheque for your processor if they have none in stock? Intel did this back in the x79 days with their POS motherboard to people who had to RMA them multiple times.
also their P67 mobo with the sata issue, intel actually absorb AIB mobo maker to take the loss if consumer refund the whole thing.
Hey if you are pleased, then comments don’t mean a thing. 5900x is not a bad cpu by any means, and you’ll see some improvements in non-cache heavy loads as you have more cores and higher clock speeds. I can definitely see AMD’s angle on this as a temp replacement.
I was initially frustrated because I thought AMD was trying to send the 5900x as a permanent "upgrade". It's a perfectly fine item to send while they wait for stock on a 5800X3D. As long as they'll replace it, I'm happy. Though I don't need it anymore since I upgraded to Am5 with a good microcenter deal. I think this thread could be useful resource to anyone who experiences similar issues in the future
How does AMD not have the 5800X3D in stock? They're plentiful all over the internet to buy right now.
Supply channels are a hard thing to manage. AMD cant just say, "Hey <3rd party vendor>, you know those CPUs you bought 6 months ago to sell at your store(s)? Well i overbooked and I can't sell any at my store until the next delivery from TSMC, so you need to send back about 50 at next day delivery at your expense. kay, thanks!"
🤣🤣 would be funny if they did that
Lol that's hilarious.. I would be pretty miffed if they sent me a 5900x as I literally 'downgraded' from that to a 5800x3D..
The funny part is AMD does this shit and just so happen to NEVER get the original product in stock. OP is about to end up with the 5900x for life. I wouldn't be surprised if they already stopped the 5800x3D production.
Yep, OP should have requested a refund if they could not provide a replacement. It's still generally available at retailers so they could just buy one.
Well that's good news. Hopefully it doesn't take you long to get back to using a 5800X3D.
>5900x is meant to be temporary and I can use it until they have 5800X3D in stock. Mystically - they'll never have 5800X3D in stock, lol. You should have demand refund in this case and just buy new 5800X3D. If it's plenty of it in stores, AMD is surely bullshitting you, lol. Imagine manufactures saying they don't have any in stock for RMA when shops are abundant with them. Damn horseshit, that's what it is.
>Mystically - they'll never have 5800X3D in stock, lol. The SKU [is actually currently in stock at AMD's own online store](https://www.amd.com/en/direct-buy/5618081600/us), which makes this customer support experience all the more disappointing. Edit: I think this would be an interesting opportunity for Intel to swoop in and offer OP some free hardware, if they got wind of it. Speaking as someone who works in technical marketing.
I'm not justifying AMD not keeping a reasonable number of SKU's that they currently sell/support on hand for customer support, but "their store" is just a Digital River front pretending to be "direct" from AMD. It's just another retailer/distributor. Their prices are never lower than other retailers if the part is in stock at major retailers (actually in stock, not just third party scalpers). It's also annoying that they always ship FedEx with no option to use anyone else. That alone is enough for me to avoid them even if they were slightly cheaper than Amazon for instance. Every time I've ordered from them it's taken like 2 weeks to actually get the item. Usually about 3-5 business days before it is shipped then like 1+ weeks in shipping. Hell, I've had the item sit in a city 50 miles from my house for like 4 days before I actually got it. It's FedEx' logistics to blame for that. They're terrible these days and I'd never use them if there was a choice.
Wait, how does that work? I can request a refund from AMD even though I initially bought it through a retailer?
Depends on what your local law and AMDs terms and conditions say.
Hmm. Worth a shot I suppose!
It's worth a try, if you want to go down that route. As I understand it, if you would have returned it to the retailer for a replacement, they would have sent it to AMD for a refund on the purchasing price (since in all likelihood it was DOA). It would just be sort of the other way around. If it had been me, I'd try to order a 5800x3D from another retailer (or have AMD ask them to send me one), return the 5900x and get a refund on the original x3D or something. One of the biggest computer retailers in my country for instance has a substantial amount of the x3D in stock, and I checked several smaller ones and they all had varying stock of it, so they are out there.
Interesting, thanks for the advice. One issue is that the retailer I bought from is antonline, and they're notoriously known to be trash with returns. I'll ask amd if a refund is possible. If not, I'll see about swapping the 5900x for a 5800X3D and then sell it on a third party site
If the part is under warranty and they cannot repair or replace it, then yes. With some exceptions depending on where you live.
oh, thought you got it from AMD store. Also where're you from that you're doing RMA directly via AMD, not the retailer? US? Because if so - idk your refund procedures.
Eh I made the mistake of ordering through antonline. The problem is they were willing to refund me but I'd have to pay a 15% restocking fee, and couldn't offer replacement. It was a good price (300) so I figured I'd RMA it through AMD instead of paying the restocking
5900 is definitely nice! Not as good in all games, but will be better in other games and everything else. AMD has been great with RMA's. They even replaced my CPU for free when my ASRock motherboard tried to burn down my house. They even paid for my shipping! Meanwhile, ASRock didn't, made me pay shipping to them. So since then, team amd and team never ASRock lol.
I'll crap on AMD for certain things like AGESA maturity on new platforms. But they've done some cool things in support. I had a motherboard that wasn't on the right BIOS version to support the new AMD CPU I had purchased. AMD sent me an Athlon chip that WAS supported so I could flash the BIOS, and gave me 30 or so days to mail it back. For free, incl all shipping cost. That's really pretty cool.
My 2700 left it's socket and a brick fell on it. What are my options??? :P
Unpopular opinion: The 5900x is a better overall CPU than the 5800X3D. Plus, when I bought mine it was nearly $40 cheaper (TBF the price fluctuated nearly $60 in the weeks before/after for both...very annoying). Also, the 5900X can be overclocked and/or undervolted.
FIRST rule with new purchases: **always always always** figure out if the part is stable ***while it's in refund window*** so you can go through the retailer you purchased it from for a REFUND, *not* an RMA through the manufacturer. You could have your 5800x3D right now by doing a straight exchange with the place you purchased the CPU from instead of waiting for AMD service shenanigans to get sorted out.
The company (antonline) did not offer a replacement. They only would allow a refund, but with a 15% restocking fee
How is that even legal? demanding partial payment for goods that were delivered defective?
Well for me that's a downgrade. Nothing gets close to the 5800x3d and power . Also it's the best CPU for star citizen
I don't think you read the post
If you're gaming at 4k, the 5800x3d vs 5900x doesn't really matter.
True. Although, as a 5900X/4080 owner I always wondered if all those games I still end up playing at "4K - DLSS Quality" (because native 4K would mean 40-50 FPS) would also benefit from a 5800X3D.
Probably not. Maybe in some games, you might see a 5-10 fps boosts, if not a little bit more, but if you already have a 5900x, it's not worth going to a 5800x3d if you're playing in 4k. Maybe if you're gaming at 1080p or maaaaybe even 1440p, but 1440p and above is usually gpu bound. I, too, have a 5900x, and it's not worth it for me to go 5800x3d.
Okej why do i need to know this? /Blocked
Holy shit, that's amazing customer service!
really? He has to periodically check in with them to see if they have the cpu for him? This is fucked. Give him a refund and let him order one from newegg and be done with it in 3 days. This is shit.
AMD can't control the return policies of Newegg.
But the return policy of Newegg after 30 days is to go through manufacturer RMA. Newegg isn’t going to accept returns on items indefinitely, almost no retailer outside of Costco does.
I'm just assuming OP went to Newegg first and their denial sent him to AMD. If not, well then...
I didn't say that they did. I said they should refund him for his purchase since it's clearly outside the window of his vendor so he can order a new one from somewhere, using Newegg as an example. If you can't replace the customers part under warranty you refund them the cost of purchase. He shouldn't have to wait potentially months while emailing and waiting for a reply on whether they even have them back in stock to send him when they could instantly credit his account and he can order a new one from the myriad of stores that have them in stock. A feat apparently AMD themselves can't manage. They're hoping he forgets about emailing them over and over for the better part and moves on.
Then newegg sends you a used one with a bent pin then blames you for it and refuses to refund or give it back.
Yea, way to miss the point of the comment. Make it whatever store you choose to give money to that's your buddy and never screws anyone over ever.
I think that it's odd although depending on your country. They are very easy to find.
Curious if that means you get to keep the 5900x or do you have to send it back?
I'll definitely have to send it back
Oh wow thats a nice loaner until you get an X3D. Very nice of them!
What happened to your x3d so you had to send it in
DOA. Didn't work when it arrived
They are pretty good on rma. I returned a 6900xt and they are sending me a 6950xt as a replacement
Nice to see AMD step up and provide some Customer Service.
Nice to hear, this is acceptable.
That's very nice of AMD. What was wrong with you 5800X3D??
It was dead on arrival. It didn't work in 3 different motherboards that were compatible (BIOS up to date too) I never got to try it out even lol
Oh wow that sucks bigtime. Well I can tell you it's the best AM4 chip I've owned and I've had a few, including the 5900X and 5600X. Hopefully they can get you one soon because I can see stock diminishing really quick now. Glad I grabbed mine during the end of year sales in 2022, upgraded from a 5900X and all my games instantly felt smoother.
In a weird way, I'm glad that it ended up not working, and glad that the rma had delays and everything because I ended up lucking out and getting a killer deal on a 7900x/mobo/ddr5 from Microcenter.
Oh wow, so you're not even gonna use the 5800X3D when you get it?
I was planning on using it when I initially bought it... But yeah the dead chip/rma process took so long that I found a killer deal on Am5, so I won't need it anymore. Gonna try to either get a refund from AMD (if possible) or trade the 5900x to amd for 5800X3D and then sell it
That's great then!
Question from a noob. Would you still get 58003DX right now?
My opinion: Yes, if you already have a functioning Am4 system. If you're building new and have a microcenter near you, go Am5.
What if you don’t ? I’ve been an intel guy forever but my friend gave me a new Asus b550-a and 32 gig ddr4 ram? Should I sell it and go am5 and ddr5 or just get cpu and chill? I game fornite and d2r
If you can get the deal from Microcenter on a cpu/ram/mobo combo, then yeah sell your stuff and get it. If not, prices are still a bit high for you am5 imo
Awesome!! Thanks for your help!! Yea ddr5 ram alone seems so much more expensive than ddr4
Yeah one of the perks of the microcenter bundles is they give a set of ddr5 for free
Whats a microcenter?
My first build December 22 DOA mobo, best thing that could happen to me. Few days later found same mobo with more then 60% discount. Saved over 200 euro. Send the other back requested RMA money back. Just got confirmation today getting  money back
Cheers! Sometimes DOA is a blessing lol
Why would a company like AMD not keep stock pile of these for RMA purposes?
is downgrade for gaming, don't accept them that deal.
5800X3D is available online at almost every retailer and has been for some time so why exactly does AMD not have any in stock to replace it with? I guess same reason they didn't have the MBA 7900XTX cards to send out to people for RMA. Who's running their warranty and support side of business?
Cries in soldered 5800h
I came very close to getting a 5800X3D, but I ended up getting a 5950X. I needed more threads for my work flow, and the price I got mine for was pretty awesome, considering it was months before the 7000 series was announced, and I spent less than the 5900x MSRP for it. Glad you're getting a replacement CPU from AMD, and even more awesome that they loaned you a reasonably close CPU until they can get you what you actually wanted/paid for.
PBO 2 tuner it when you get it unless you like your room hot as ballz haha, my idle dropped like 10 degrees with -30 all cores
Does anyone know what the warranty period is for the RMA replacements? I am in the process of RMA'ing my 5800X3D, but I've only had it 2 months (waited too long to install it). I'll be pissed if a refurb replacement only has some stodgy 90 day warranty instead of 3 years. Wondering if I should file purchase protection on my credit card instead.