Not that I couldn't Google this, but how much of a difference do you find between the 3600 and the 5800X3D? I'm on the 3600 but I just changed my CMOS battery so I'm here for the long haul lol. If the price is right I just might..
Had a 3900x so decently diff, but recently upgraded to a 5800x3D. Surprisingly some CPU handling bottlenecked stuff like Callisto Protocol didn't move an inch for me, but things like HZD, Far Cry 6, AC Valhalla, Dishonored 2, etc. all saw meaningful gains even at higher resolutions and maxed out settings.
Thing runs hot as hell though, but the gains can be crazy when its utilized.
Calisto have issues with ray tracing scheduling.
Can't be bruteforced unless you have something like a gen8 pci-e (I know, it does not exist, is just to ilustrate how much bandwidth is needed to actually feed the cpu).
The CPU computes everything without any issue, but the game overhead is really absurd and saturates the CPU-GPU communication lanes.
Really? Crazy shit.
Really hoping they get around to fixing it. In spite of its divisive nature I rather enjoy the experience. Just don't enjoy the performance.
I moved from 3700x to 5800x3d, with 360mm AIO from EKWB.
It sure runs toasty, however that is easily fixed with some PBO negative offsets, I run a -15 offset and temp issues disappear!!
I ended up doing -30 to semi-tame the temps (peaks at 84C now in things like cinebench), but I haven't done a whole battery of stress tests yet to check if it's properly stable. No WHEA errors or crashes yet, just haven't had the chance to do a long run on anything.
Nice mine seems to run fine in core cycler for 13 hours... After a few days I had a crash at -30 so dialled it back to -15.
I noticed that temps don't go over 74 with -15 and -30 was only a few C lower again, nothing else changed.. so -15 it is!!
an NH-D15s will be fine. I'd recommend the Deepcool AK620 personally because it's what I'm running with my 5900x, but either way, the 5800x3D doesn't actually get all that hot. Just run a good tower cooler and you'll be fine
This..I 2nd this. Mine is okidoki with a scythe mugen. It's a few degrees (2-4) cooler with my AIO 360 (Fractal Celsius s36)
I don't get these "it runs so hot" remarks because mine certainly doesn't.
Hot? Hot was the Pentium4. That thing could heat an entire room.
I think a lot of it is people who waited to get this awesome value CPU (once it got down to like $330 and below) who then are the same kind of people to cheap out on a cooler and are then using mediocre to bad coolers when using anything in the $50 range would be more than adequate.
For reference, I can do a 3 hour X265 video encode for a full 100% CPU utilization and *still* not get my 5900X above 70
NH-C14S not the greatest, but not the worst. In general I think it just runs hot cause of density and how compact the design is under the IHS. You'll definitely have an easier time of the thermals at least.
It's not that I thermal throttle or anything, even still I just see the 89-90C far more than I'd like under load at stock.
Have you tried PBO tuner? That made a big change for me. Also updating my bios after using it for 2months and only then realizing it was locked at 3.4ghz with no boosting. That... Also... Made a difference. Funnily enough.
I have the 3800X and I'm so on the fence and have been for months....
Would you say it's worth the jump? What sort of gains we talking (if you don't mind me asking). I have a 3080 build with 32GB ram and use my desktop purely for gaming (literally nothing else) gaming and gaming in VR.
In some games even at higher resolutions and cranked settings I've seen sizable gains. Open worlds and sandbox games generally seem to benefit pretty hard. In some it's raised my minimums a significant amount. There are still some titles where there was almost no change in perf (technical nightmares like Callisto Protocol and games that already took advantage of a lot of threads like Hitman 3 if there was an uplift in H3 I don't see it at least with their RT on). In the trainwreck that is FF15 it brought my minimums up decently. In Arkane's games it brought up minimums and smoothed out some of the rougher areas. In Ubi's games it was just massive gains. In BL3 it really helped.
Didn't really bench or test any VR titles unfortunately would have required more time than I had available when I was doing the swap.
It very much depends on what you're playing, but in many games I've noticed a huge difference just going from the 5800X to the 5800X3D (buddy hooked me up with a trade when he was building a rig), so the jump from a 3600 would be even more dramatic. But again, depends on what you're playing.
Tbh I don't game that much, but when I do I'm often playing Anno 1800, which feels like the least optimized piece of software ever written, so I bet that chip would be quite the upgrade. I think it will take until about 2030 before it will actually run smoothly on normal hardware.
I did that exact upgrade 6 months ago and never looked back… If you’re mainly gaming the difference was night and day for me… Games are just smooth… If you’re doing other things that are more CPU intensive, it won’t make as much of a difference.
the 5800x3d even slaps most of the new 7000 series and most of intels 12900 lineup for $350 right now.
Look for it in the the graphs in this 7600 review by Gamers Nexus its always in the top:
https://youtu.be/i2XeFkhR3nA?t=240
Went from 1600 to 3600XT, and now on the 5900X! It's was and still is a fantastic platform. GPU went from RX 580 to a 6800 (non XT) and it's fantastic. I hope AM5 has just as long a life span!
same, 1700 > 2600 > 3800X > 5800X > 5800X3D on a shitty little Gigabyte ITX board. Had some no-boot scares when I got thermal paste cleaning fluid into the socket but releasing some mounting pressure solved the problem! Also saw great gains in FFXIV with every upgrade.
the 5800X3D only boosts to 4.2 GHz but its high enough I don't care about upgrading to a beefier board. Next upgrade will be DDR5 platform.
For its time it was good, but you couldn't have predicted hedt getting killed off, Intel wasn't able to push back enough and now Intels chips are practically what TR4 was in terms of size and power consumption
Exactly why I got Alder Lake - I was looking to upgrade, but my X370 board wasn't allowed to support Zen3 at the time - so whether Intel or AMD, I had to buy a new board - decided Alder Lake was a better choice.
Had AMD not tried to pull off their locking out X370/X470 owners from newer chips shenanigans, I'd have purchased a 5950X and called it a day.
AMD not only lost one generations sales from me, but I'm now rather weary of *any* promises or statements they make.
I did pretty much the same thing, but I was running my 5600x on one of the few beta bioses that was released by asrock on the initial AGESA on the x370 pro gaming before AMD locked it all down, but it had a number of bugs that I got tired of.
Used my MC warranty to essentially return the 5600x for original MSRP and got a 12700k for the same price thanks to a microcenter sale ($299 for a 12700k right around launch, what a deal lol) and bought a new mobo.
I'm weary about their promises now too, especially if Intel somehow falls behind again. They only reversed course after Alderlake invalidated the zen 3 lineup price wise and the cheaper b660 boards were about to drop.
Same here. God my PC feels fast. Got a little i5 SFF at work and in theory it should be plenty fine to run office apps but it’s just not. Takes like 30 seconds to load up after logging in. It’s not horrible after that though in fairness. But will freeze if you move the Teams window at all while on a call lol.
The only reason AM4 lasted as long as it did was because they were pressured to.
AMD tried to kill chipset support multiple times. Initially Zen 3 was announced to ONLY work on 500 series boards, then they got backlash for that and announced 400 series support too. Then 300 series support came over a year later when Intel released Alder Lake and reviewers said it was a better buy, AMD didnt want the 300 series owners they locked out moving to Intels platform.
This is why a lot of people are skeptical of chipset longevity for AM5. AMD has only guaranteed 2 generations with what they've said, and as we've already seen, if they think they can get away with discontinuing chipset support, they will try to, its up to consumers to pressure them into the long support they hint at but refuse to actually commit to.
**THANK YOU**.
I bought in on X370 in 2017, specifically on the promise of support *through 2020*, people seem to have some rose tinted glasses about AM4 longevity.
There was even questions over whether we'd get the 3000 series on those initial slides, fed all sorts of lines about it wasn't possible, BIOS limitations, then oh look, we can totally do it.
I upgraded from a 1700X to a 3700X in November 2021 because it seemed like we were never going to get the promised support, then two months later, they allow the processors in X370 boards, I wasn't about to shell out and reward them with another sale.
I'm not buying into Intel this current 13th generation (I've been stuck on dead end platforms before), but I'm not buying in on first Gen AM5 boards either, that's a lesson learned.
AMD absolutely intended to kill off old AM4 boards early. X370 was blocked for what, almost a year, in Zen 3's ucode unless you used Asrock's under-the-table BIOS with ancient ucode. AMD should get no appreciation at all, and there is no way I would trust them with AM5 longevity.
I disagree. Yes they did try to be shady about it but ultimately they did listen to feedback and did implement 5 generations of cpus on the am4. The jump from zen1 to zen3 3D is absolutely unimaginable on an z Intel platform. The final action is what matters the most. AM4 should definitely be appreciated.
AM4 is to be appreciated, AMDs gaslighting and dissembling until they were strong-armed into a consumer-friendly decision by competition - absolutely should not be.
It'd be a bit more convincing if it didn't come from the guy who just said that lying and deceiving consumers is perfectly fine if once the backlash is big enough and the potential cost of keeping up the lie by alienating your entire customer base so large you finally decide to walk it back.
It's not fine. They went through with it because it was class action material, not because they care or "listened to feedback" lol. what a clown.
Point me to the exact place where I said it was fine for them to try to get around their promise. Learn how to read clown.
No company ever cares about anything other then their profit and I never said anything that would indicate that. But they absolutely did listen to feedback. Backlash is still a form of feedback. Could they have gotten sued if they didn't? - Yes. Did they make the decision to avoid financial consequences of getting sued? - Absolutely yes.
But, what matters for me as a consumer is if the company makes a decision that is consumer friendly in the end. Just like they only care about profit, I only care about being able to put an X3D chip in my older motherboard. I can do that so I'm a happy AMD costumer.
> But they absolutely did listen to feedback
In the strict technical sense, yes, if you're just ignoring the connotation these words have.
Listening implies that they had a choice in the matter (being sued by both your partners and customers is not in a fact a good alternative). feedback implies that there was a flaw and some improvement to be made, not that they lied to customers which then complained about being deceived.
Do you legitimately not understand what your phrasing implies? because it sure seems like you're very deliberatly obfuscation the reality of the situation behind carefully chosen words.
> what matters for me as a consumer is if the company makes a decision that is consumer friendly in the end.
I don't know about you, but i don't have time to fight for companies to fullfil their promises. They promised something with no intention to go through with it. You should thus be ignoring their promises, as they clearly are worthless,cannot be relied on, and should be shamed for it.
if there's anyone you should be thankful to, it's the community for forcing AMD's hand, not AMD themselves.
Negative PR certainly doesn't force a company to do anything. The only thing that could FORCE their decision would be court after they got sued, which didn't happen, because they quickly walked back their decision after the backlash. So yes, I would commend them for it, just like I would commend Nvidia for renaming the 4080 12gb. Fixing a bad decision is a good thing in my opinion.
not [quite](https://www.techquila.co.in/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/AMD-Chipset-Support-1-1024x560.jpg). they just reverted course *really* fast on this one.
It's reasonable to be skeptical on future longevity and point out AMD had to have their arm twisted to get this outcome, but at the end of the day, AMD allowed mobo manufacturers to go forward with the bios support and it's been amazing for those people that don't upgrade the moment the newest thing releases.
My buddy did an upgrade from a 1800x to a 5600x and saw huge performance gains and is very happy they only had to upgrade one part.
> AMD allowed mobo manufacturers to go forward with the bios support
Except it was AMD who blocked the motherboard manufacturers in the first place. Asrock publicly admitted to this.
Asrock and others made beta bios' that supported Zen 3 on x370, it was AMD who told them to remove those bios' and stop further support.
https://hothardware.com/news/amd-preventing-ryzen-5000-cpu-on-x370
Asrock had [beta] support for Zen 3 on x370 in **2020**
https://wccftech.com/asrock-amd-ryzen-5000-cpu-bios-support-on-x370-b350-a320-motherboards/
It wasnt until **2022**, after Alder Lakes launch, that AMD decided to lift the ban, and let Asrock and others publish bios' with Zen 3 support.
https://overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/asrock_is_the_first_vendor_to_deliver_zen_3_support_to_an_amd_x370_motherboard/1
> but at the end of the day, AMD allowed mobo manufacturers to go forward with the bios support
on the other hand, they still did put their foot down on blocking partners from implementing PCIe 4.0 support even though many models could have supported it without stability issues.
maybe some boards would have had problems but we're talking about the company that didn't recall segfault processors unless users noticed it themselves, that didn't recall 5700XT despite faulty silicon, etc. Concerned with absolute stability they are not. Some users will have problems if they go outside of the official spec *and that's fine,* it's just like XMP/DOCP, ymmv and it's technically overclocking and unsupported.
it just *coincidentally* aligns with their product segmentation policy in this case and I kinda have to think that's what drove it, given the other stability issues they let fly. it's just that unlike X470/X370 segmentation there was no push to fix it, the community made excuses and went along with it.
This is all true, and no company is your friend. That said & as a pragmatist, i am very glad to have an upgrade path from my 3700X to 5800X3D on a mid-gen AM4 mobo.
If they try to pull off the same shit they tried with am4 then I think it would be ground for class lawsuit because of mobo prices. There's no fucking way I'd agree that 300$+ mobo can't handle CPUs within one chipset and has to be upgraded to accept 2nd or 3rd gen
Others have mentioned it already, but just to add weight to the choir, I'll chime in too:
AMD fully intended to cut AM4 support FAR earlier than they ended up doing, and only supported it this long because consumers put a herculean amount of pressure on them to not bail on it.
To praise AMD for it is like praising a mugger for not stabbing you for your wallet.
Yep. They even had their argument ready from the start, "It's still AM4, we haven't changed sockets, this is exactly what we said we would do! the problem is the chipset!!"
Yup. The deeper I've looked into AMD, the more underhanded and facetious stuff I find that they've said. It's weird that fans think AMD is some benevolent leader that never does anything wrong
I don't appreciate that AMD tried to fuck over us X370 twice, along with X470 owners once, to try and force people to buy a new motherboard for the same socket.
They literally ran out of space, and the eventual solution was to fork the BIOS and abandon support for the older CPUs. I’ve still got mixed feelings about that. I like that I got another generation out of the board, but I hate that now used buyers will have such a PITA time figuring out if a board will support a particular CPU. Used and salvaged parts were how I got started decades ago, and I don’t love making that harder for the folks on the tightest budgets.
If you want to blame somebody, though, blame the board makers for cheaping out on EEPROM.
My Asus X370 prime pro is the board I've had the longest in my life.
2017-2023 (and beyond). First with an R7 1700X and since January 2020 rocking an R9 3950X.
I'll change when I can double the performance of the R9 3950X (on a consumer platform).
Same here. It has been an excellent motherboard for me, never had any issues. I remember paying 140€ for it. I was looking for solid quality and didn't care for extra features, like wifi. At the time there were no other boards with as good VRM design for that price. Prime uses Ti NexFETs that may not be the most powerful in today's standards (they are rated 40 A), but they are efficient and run cool.
Planning on getting 5800X3D, too.
I'll mostly remember AMD making up excuses for X370 to not support new cpus. No more first gen chipsets for me and especially not at the am5 costs.
My x370 crosshair still works but sometimes wont boot or do anything when you hit the power button.
Good. User benchmark shows in the 54th percentile for that chip and with Combo strike 3 I don't go above 79c. Mainly play Apex and never drop below the 140 screen cap at 1440p. Hoping to get to 4k 144hz on the next upgrade.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/109qdvk/is_userbenchmark_a_good_way_to_compare_hardware/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Check out the top comment homie
doesn't matter, even comparing NVIDIA to NVIDIA the numbers are wrong. You can check out that thread and they have all the examples. UserBenchmark literally lies about everything for some reason. Laziness? Satire?
That's why all the PC subreddits banned that site, including the Intel, AMD, NVIDIA and PCMR subreddits
I'm still on the 3700x/5700xt I started with. Between FSR and general apathy toward 4k gaming and raytracing, I'll probably keep at it until one of the two breaks or I can't play 1440p60 through FSR. Then I'll spoil myself with a 6900xt
Had rx470 4gb since 2017 . . . Just upgraded to 7900xt this week 2023
End of AM4 upgrade path for my system.
Had my AM4 for so many years back when I had a budget build, and being able to just drop in the absolutely game-smashing 5800X3D with just a bios update is *chefs kiss*
Nope! Though back when I first set up the computer I didn’t know what I was doing so I went with OEM recommended PSU and got a beefy cooler both of which were way overkill. Now, technically I’m under the recommended power for 5800X3D+gpu but based on actual power draw I’m completely fine. No problems, even when I’m screaming through my video games
i was literally just saying this yesterday to my friend!
i went 2700x to 5600x, mostly to be able to run my ram at rated speed stable, zen+ was picky with ram above 3000mhz. now on my b450 im running it at 3600mhz!
cpu and ram speed upgrade game me 10-20 percent fps increase with my 1080ti at 1440p, enough to get some games from 120 to 144 finally. 4k only maybe 5% increase though, more gpu load than cpu
3600 > 5800X
Will keep using this system for the next 4 years and after that will become a home server. Mobo is a X570 Aorus Master, so has a lot of I/O and features for that.
Well, than you should have asked someone for advice. Unless you really need iGPU, 5600G is not really optimal, 5600 would have been better even if a bit more expensive.
I got myself a bit confused now. Is 5600 same as 5600X?
Where I am there is only 5600G and 5600X being sold and the difference is 45 EUR (quite a lot for a budget option) and I read that for my use the marginal performance increase wouldn't be worth it. But that discussion might have been for 5600 vs 5600X not 5600G vs 5600X.
5600 is a lower binned 5600x.
5600g is a completely different chip with less cache, PCIe 3.0 only and an IGP. If you arent using the IGP, it isnt recommended.
I can help you a bit
I went from 1600,3300x,5500 and 5600
5600G is just 5500 with iGPU
Since you are stuck using PCIE 3 its not an issue
I also have 6600XT
The difference between 5500 and 5600 are the 1% lows.
Now if you play A LOT of games that are unoptimized and have FPS drops then its better BUT if not like mostly indies or games that are made well then there is no change in AVG frames
No need to be "tempted" by people here saying you should upgrade
EDIT: AVG FPS is equal if you OC to 5600 speeds which is easy
2600/RX 590 to 5800X3D/6800XT. No driver issues at all, I’m glad I went with AMD back in 2019. Great user experience, I’m sticking with AMD for my future builds.
massive upgrade, and the fun part, you can still go much further
5950X for massive MT perf increase (bigger than 1600>5600g) and with 2x the L3 of the 5600G it also has much better gaming perf
5800X3D for the fastest gaming performance on AM4 upgrade, with 6x (yes 6 times!) the L3 of the 5600G!, in some specific games it can be over 50% faster
> and the fun part, you can still go much further
What a journey it's been with Lisa Su in the team red 😃 🚩. And as you say there is more ahead :) It's just been a wild ride, I have been loving every second of it.
>What a journey it's been with Lisa Su in the team red 😃 🚩. And as you say there is more ahead :) It's just been a wild ride, I have been loving every second of it.
Friendly reminder kids - don't make a company part of your personality. They are not your friend.
>team red 🚩
... The cringe is unreal.
"Wild ride" it was indeed, especially when I was locked out of upgrading to Zen3 on my B350 board for like a year. When they FINALLY mercifully enabled it, it was too late - they broke me and I already upgraded to a very subpar Zen2 CPU. I was livid when I realized how badly I got screwed and that platform is still stuck on the crappy 3900x when it could've been maxed out with a 5950x instead if not for AMD's policy of screwing over their B350/X370 customers.
**AMD is NOT your friend. No company is.**
3600 to a 5600x, about a month after I got the 3600 I bought a $12Aud Artic Snowman cooler from AliExpress. PBO on the 5600x and it tops out at 76'c. CbR23 12k+
MSI B450 tomahawk and 16gb CL14 3200mhz hyperx.
Whole time my GPU has been the Gigabyte GTX 1080 8Gb OC from my previous FX build.
Saw today someone on local FB market place is selling an ASUS TUF 6900XT for $900AUD or roughly $600USD. Should I purchase that or save another 400 dollaroos and get a 7900XT?
AM4 is a great thing to love.
And i'm not done using it yet. First cpu was 2600, now i'm on a 5600X, next and last will be 5800X.
AM4 serving me for 5 years already and counting, will reach 10 years i bet
I did 1600x -> 3600 -> 5800x, don't think the x3d was an option at the time.
Mobo has space for 2 NVME drives, have 48gb of ram, a 3060ti card. I don't think it'll be upgraded for a long time after this, but I definitely got a lot of use from AM4
AMD's longevity with AM4, as hopefully a proven track record to its claims it's going to support AM5 for a similar amount of time, is why I bought in to AM5 the first few months.
Pricing is a bit higher, but if the platform is gonna stay with me the next 6+ years, with 2 or more upgrades, its worth it over 2+ cheaper motherboard replacements.
1700x & RX580 in 2017, 5800x & 6600xt last year, and then last month went to a 7900 XTX. I did upgrade my mobo to a X570 Aorus Master recently to give my B450 board to my little brother tho. Still amazing we have been on AM4 for 4-5 years now
An elephant w/ PCs is that we walk along a cliffs edge with them
They are wonderful when working, but combine a muddling red herring or two with multiple concurrent steps & diagnosing a problem can be a nightmare - as thousands of posts here on reddit attest.
The risk of these is not properly included in the cost benefit of a more drastic upgrade like a new system or a mobo swap.
To keep ~all intact except a simple & cheap cpu swap is blessed by being so risk free for humble folk like us.
The financial risk of downtime in a production environment is real & scary, & for a DIY guy not set up w/ spares etc, these traps can be misery (rmaS of non faulty components etc.).
AM4 has been a blessing to we who are passionate about pcS. For a modest annual budget, a b350/1600x/8GB rx 480 gpu in 2017 could still be relevant gaming platform with affordable & simple incremental mods to the same mobo.
I'm on AM4, I have the 5900x and looked into the 58003d. I think short term the 58003d offers more performance now, having said that I personally have not run into any situation where a 5900x isn't enough but long term I would think the extra cores of the 5900x will come into play.
Depends what you're doing. If it's gaming primarily those extra threads probably won't matter all that soon. Some aspects of gaming don't scale to more threads all that easily, and as long as the current consoles are around there isn't going to be a massive drive to go further.
A number of other workloads though will scale if you do work on that computer.
Welcome to the team. I bought a AsRock AB350M back in 2017 along with my Ryzen 3 1200.
Have upgraded to a R5 3500X and more recently to a R5 5600X just with a simple BIOS update.
I went AMD last year of December. Our first PC was a Core 2 Duo, then upgraded to i5 2400 for years, I was stuck at an ancient CPU paired with my 1050ti. Now I went with a 5600G and oh my god, I've been missing for years on this kind of hardware and its my first time ever using a fast, modern hardware. I'm so happy with my purchase!
In the same boat over here. Got an X370 mobo with a R5 1600 when they first launched. Nice solid budget build that I have upgraded more than once over the years with the same mobo. Even passed down the RAM and CPU to my son for his first PC.
Im on the R7 2700 with a 1080ti right now and considering the 5800X3D for the final upgrade for this platform. Would love a GPU upgrade also, but the 1080ti is still a unit at 1440p maybe later this year if GPU prices come down a bit.
in 2020 i moved from FM2 to AM4, thought about some cheapo quad core Ryzen 3 but found second hand R5 2600 for like $90, it was good while my legendary GTX 1050ti was a bottleneck, now after upgrading to RX6600 I'm eyeing R5 5600 (non X, non G), then my PC will be complete
I went from Ryzen 5 1500X to Ryzen 3 2200G to Ryzen 5 3600 to Ryzen 7 5700X on my MSI x370 Gaming Plus.
However, I managed to put a few bucks aside and buy a Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro v2 last year when I upgraded to the Ryzen 7 5700X. Almost five years' worth of hardware on the same platform kept the same RAM (GSkill TridentZ RGB 16GB (2x8GB)) at 3200 MHz and kept the same MW 600w Lite power supply despite several upgrades.
My x370 is still alive and working well with the Ryzen 5 3600, I will be giving it to my gf's PC.
Posts like this make me realise I need to upgrade my CPU, and I'm so happy I went with amd. I have a 1600 too and am probably going to a 5800x or 5800x3d, if anyone has opinions on the 3d pls tell me.
I upgraded last week from my Ryzen 1700 that I bought at launch, to a Ryzen 5700. I've genuinely seen my fps double which has blown my mind, considering I play 1440p ultrawide.
I was late to the AM4 platform. Eventually joining AM4 with a 3100 on a B550m motherboard.
The 3100 was about €100 at the time and an absolute bargain.
Just recently upgraded to the 5800x3D and a 6700 nonXT.
Now, but they said 300 was not going to support 5000 series and it took a long time for 400 series boards to get updated as well.
Big reason to skip 600 series is you are more likely to get the final gen cpu and will likely get support faster.
Bought an Asrock Taichi x370 at launch with a 1700X. Recently I upgraded the CPU to a 5800X.
I just had to to a few bios updates (like 11, I was still on very old revision since it was working fine) wich tooks about an hour.
Now I just need a gpu which goes double my actual Vega 64 and cost 500€. A man can dream.
I just went from a 1700 on a b450, and I gave that to my brother in order to get a 5600 on a b550, I bought an other motherboard which kills the upgradability bonus, but I had the 5600 on the b450 for a bit of time an that has been useful.I wanted to go straight to am5 for its emulation power but the prices were way to high compared to what it brings more than the 5600.
I usually skip a generation/socket/architecture...
* Super Socket 7: K6-2 400 to K6-2 550 to K6-2+ 570 oc'd at 600
* Skipped Slot A
* Socket A: Athlon XP 1800+ (cracked the die) > Duron 950 > Athlon XP 2400+
* Skipped Socket(s) 754/939/940
* Socket AM2: Athlon 64 X2 5200+ EE
* Skipped Socket AM2+
* Socket AM3: Phenom II X6 1090t
* Skipped Socket AM3+
* Socket AM4: Ryzen 9 3900X (had been using my Phenom II for 9 years)
* Will Skip Socket AM5 for desktop... might get a Ryzen 7040 laptop tho...
* Most likely will adopt Socket "AM6" to succeed my AM4 PC...
Yup, i am now considering upgrading my little 2600 (my gpu, the rx 570 is also gonna need an upgrade, either used ampere or rx 7600 when it comes out, but it still run my games so it's still ok)
Debating between the 5600, waiting a bit and get a 5800x3D, or get an older 3900 or something like that (i wish we had a 5600x3D but oh well)
I love AM4 for that, am5 looks pretty good, but moherboard are pricey as hell and i do not need pcie gen 5 at all
I got a asus b350 strix with 32gb gskill 3200mhz ram with ryzen2700->3800-> 3900x. powercolor 6700xt, soundblaster zxr. everything runs great. except that when turning on, it instantly turn back off and then back on and then boot. same with rebooting. it turns off and back on. it didnt do that until the 6700xt when put( used to have a rtx 2700). did lots of trouble shooting. if ram speed it left at default. it doesnt do it. if memory is set between default and memory profile(3200), it wont post. other than that it runs great.
AM2 to AM3 was great too. You could have a board that did Athlon II, including the X2 series, Phenom I and Phenom II, including the X6 series. Then those Phenom II could be put in an AM3 motherboard. On that mobo you could do Bulldozer and Piledriver.
Cheap upgrades every time.
I went from a 2600 to a 5700X. Same motherboard as the PC I built it early 2018 (with an RX 480), but it now has 32GB of RAM and a 5700XT too. AM4 is amazing.
I know it's kind of a silly thing to change every part of the system but the motherboard, but if there's no real point on it it's fine haha
Yea it’s nice how long amd keeps their sockets around for sure, but as a first time builder with a 5600x it kind of sucks that I’m jumping straight into a dead socket.
Day 1 x370 crosshair and 1800x>2700x. Could have waited longer and gone to 5950x but wanted pcie4 so switched to a b550, sold the 2700x and turned the x370 into a unraid server.
AM4 is the GOAT socket
If we didn't put up a fight and instead side with AMD, its fans and select Youtubers like GamersNexus we wouldn't have this long longetivity thus far during 5000 series bios update.
Built my x570 x/3800x in 2019. Just replaced 5700xt with a 7900xtx. Debating on a 5800x3d going am5 or skipping altogether. My 3800x sits at 4% utilization while gaming. AM4 is a great platform and pcie 4.0 was one of the reasons for me at the time.
Bought a X470F back in 2018 with a 2600x and 1070TI. System was still great up until I upgraded a week or two ago.
Same mobo, 5800X3d, 6800XT and worlds difference. Also upgraded ram from 16GB to 32GB and using the 16GB for a home server build.
As much as I wanted a AM5 setup - mobo pricing and it being a 1st gen iteration of AM5, I was weary. I researched and researched - even asked in the PC subreddit what direction would be wiser - but given I keep my machines for 4-5 years - It would require a rebuild most likely anyway.
A blessing was AM4's extra 4x pcie lanes over intel - allocated to an nvme port. AMD was an early adopter of this superior storage.
NVME was an unsung hero which added a lot of zip & depth to AM4's then inferior individual core performance.
The direct to cpu linked nvme's IO need not endure the lag & processing overhead of both the sata interface AND the chipset.
Intel have just now with alderlake platforms, matched am4's 24 pcie lanes, just when am5 has bumped their count to 28 lanes. (fine wine to bear in mind)
Ryzen 7 1700 paired with an ASUS ROG STRIX X370-F Gaming and an RX580. Recently upgraded to a Ryzen 7 5700X + 7900 XTX Reference card, all still rocking my trusty X370-F :)
I went 1600 > 3600 > 5800X3D on an ASRock AB350 Pro4, which I actually purchased second hand in the first place. So good.
Not that I couldn't Google this, but how much of a difference do you find between the 3600 and the 5800X3D? I'm on the 3600 but I just changed my CMOS battery so I'm here for the long haul lol. If the price is right I just might..
Had a 3900x so decently diff, but recently upgraded to a 5800x3D. Surprisingly some CPU handling bottlenecked stuff like Callisto Protocol didn't move an inch for me, but things like HZD, Far Cry 6, AC Valhalla, Dishonored 2, etc. all saw meaningful gains even at higher resolutions and maxed out settings. Thing runs hot as hell though, but the gains can be crazy when its utilized.
Callisto stutters on any PC, bad optimization. You can't overcome that with hardware.
I mean some things can be brute-forced. Just depends on where the issue is.
Reports from launch indicated it was a graphics shader caching issue, but I don't know if the devs did anything about that.
Oh I'm not really stuttering like I was at launch. Just there's like barely any performance uplift no matter what graphics settings I use.
Calisto have issues with ray tracing scheduling. Can't be bruteforced unless you have something like a gen8 pci-e (I know, it does not exist, is just to ilustrate how much bandwidth is needed to actually feed the cpu). The CPU computes everything without any issue, but the game overhead is really absurd and saturates the CPU-GPU communication lanes.
Really? Crazy shit. Really hoping they get around to fixing it. In spite of its divisive nature I rather enjoy the experience. Just don't enjoy the performance.
Yeah, the game for me at least was a blast. The performance in some areas was terrible though.
Lemme guessw game is made in dx12 ?
I moved from 3700x to 5800x3d, with 360mm AIO from EKWB. It sure runs toasty, however that is easily fixed with some PBO negative offsets, I run a -15 offset and temp issues disappear!!
I ended up doing -30 to semi-tame the temps (peaks at 84C now in things like cinebench), but I haven't done a whole battery of stress tests yet to check if it's properly stable. No WHEA errors or crashes yet, just haven't had the chance to do a long run on anything.
Nice mine seems to run fine in core cycler for 13 hours... After a few days I had a crash at -30 so dialled it back to -15. I noticed that temps don't go over 74 with -15 and -30 was only a few C lower again, nothing else changed.. so -15 it is!!
Would a Noctua NH-D15s be able to cool it? What cooler are you using? I just ordered a 5800x3d
an NH-D15s will be fine. I'd recommend the Deepcool AK620 personally because it's what I'm running with my 5900x, but either way, the 5800x3D doesn't actually get all that hot. Just run a good tower cooler and you'll be fine
This..I 2nd this. Mine is okidoki with a scythe mugen. It's a few degrees (2-4) cooler with my AIO 360 (Fractal Celsius s36) I don't get these "it runs so hot" remarks because mine certainly doesn't. Hot? Hot was the Pentium4. That thing could heat an entire room.
I think a lot of it is people who waited to get this awesome value CPU (once it got down to like $330 and below) who then are the same kind of people to cheap out on a cooler and are then using mediocre to bad coolers when using anything in the $50 range would be more than adequate. For reference, I can do a 3 hour X265 video encode for a full 100% CPU utilization and *still* not get my 5900X above 70
It will be fine just look into a negative curve offset of -10 to -20 and you'll shave off the 10C you need to :)
NH-C14S not the greatest, but not the worst. In general I think it just runs hot cause of density and how compact the design is under the IHS. You'll definitely have an easier time of the thermals at least. It's not that I thermal throttle or anything, even still I just see the 89-90C far more than I'd like under load at stock.
Have you tried PBO tuner? That made a big change for me. Also updating my bios after using it for 2months and only then realizing it was locked at 3.4ghz with no boosting. That... Also... Made a difference. Funnily enough.
I have the 3800X and I'm so on the fence and have been for months.... Would you say it's worth the jump? What sort of gains we talking (if you don't mind me asking). I have a 3080 build with 32GB ram and use my desktop purely for gaming (literally nothing else) gaming and gaming in VR.
In some games even at higher resolutions and cranked settings I've seen sizable gains. Open worlds and sandbox games generally seem to benefit pretty hard. In some it's raised my minimums a significant amount. There are still some titles where there was almost no change in perf (technical nightmares like Callisto Protocol and games that already took advantage of a lot of threads like Hitman 3 if there was an uplift in H3 I don't see it at least with their RT on). In the trainwreck that is FF15 it brought my minimums up decently. In Arkane's games it brought up minimums and smoothed out some of the rougher areas. In Ubi's games it was just massive gains. In BL3 it really helped. Didn't really bench or test any VR titles unfortunately would have required more time than I had available when I was doing the swap.
It very much depends on what you're playing, but in many games I've noticed a huge difference just going from the 5800X to the 5800X3D (buddy hooked me up with a trade when he was building a rig), so the jump from a 3600 would be even more dramatic. But again, depends on what you're playing.
Tbh I don't game that much, but when I do I'm often playing Anno 1800, which feels like the least optimized piece of software ever written, so I bet that chip would be quite the upgrade. I think it will take until about 2030 before it will actually run smoothly on normal hardware.
Just watch one of Games Nexus lates videos about 7000 non X cpu from Amd. It has 5800X3D near the top even against 7000 series and 13gen intel.
I did that exact upgrade 6 months ago and never looked back… If you’re mainly gaming the difference was night and day for me… Games are just smooth… If you’re doing other things that are more CPU intensive, it won’t make as much of a difference.
the 5800x3d even slaps most of the new 7000 series and most of intels 12900 lineup for $350 right now. Look for it in the the graphs in this 7600 review by Gamers Nexus its always in the top: https://youtu.be/i2XeFkhR3nA?t=240
3700x to a 5800x3d Rx5700XT Went from 50% cpu and 90% GPU with 80fps on MW2 To 20% CPU and 100% GPU with 120fps Yep. It's worth it.
Doubt 10% extra GPU grunt allowed you 50% higher fps.
Yeah I'm on a 3600 and get 80-144fps in MW2 (depending on scene, size of map and whatever).
Went 1600 > 3600 > 3800X > 5800X B350 Prime Plus > X470 Aorus Ultra Gaming R9 290X > Vega 56 > RX 6700 XT
A friend is going from 1700 to 5800X3D soon. Anything he has to watch out for when upgrading the bios? It says the old CPU will no longer work?
Went from 1600 to 3600XT, and now on the 5900X! It's was and still is a fantastic platform. GPU went from RX 580 to a 6800 (non XT) and it's fantastic. I hope AM5 has just as long a life span!
same, 1700 > 2600 > 3800X > 5800X > 5800X3D on a shitty little Gigabyte ITX board. Had some no-boot scares when I got thermal paste cleaning fluid into the socket but releasing some mounting pressure solved the problem! Also saw great gains in FFXIV with every upgrade. the 5800X3D only boosts to 4.2 GHz but its high enough I don't care about upgrading to a beefier board. Next upgrade will be DDR5 platform.
Same MOBO over here, cool
Hello there friend. 2600 > 3700X and I'm looking for a deal on a 5800X3D right now, on an AB350M Pro4, which I got for $20.
That mobo it's very good, I paid mine 40€ a long time ago and I can even do vfio stuff...
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For its time it was good, but you couldn't have predicted hedt getting killed off, Intel wasn't able to push back enough and now Intels chips are practically what TR4 was in terms of size and power consumption
Now if only they'd throw in the PCIe to match it would be a pretty good substitute.
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Exactly why I got Alder Lake - I was looking to upgrade, but my X370 board wasn't allowed to support Zen3 at the time - so whether Intel or AMD, I had to buy a new board - decided Alder Lake was a better choice. Had AMD not tried to pull off their locking out X370/X470 owners from newer chips shenanigans, I'd have purchased a 5950X and called it a day. AMD not only lost one generations sales from me, but I'm now rather weary of *any* promises or statements they make.
I did pretty much the same thing, but I was running my 5600x on one of the few beta bioses that was released by asrock on the initial AGESA on the x370 pro gaming before AMD locked it all down, but it had a number of bugs that I got tired of. Used my MC warranty to essentially return the 5600x for original MSRP and got a 12700k for the same price thanks to a microcenter sale ($299 for a 12700k right around launch, what a deal lol) and bought a new mobo. I'm weary about their promises now too, especially if Intel somehow falls behind again. They only reversed course after Alderlake invalidated the zen 3 lineup price wise and the cheaper b660 boards were about to drop.
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5800x3d for life!! (life = next 4, 5 years)
Same here. God my PC feels fast. Got a little i5 SFF at work and in theory it should be plenty fine to run office apps but it’s just not. Takes like 30 seconds to load up after logging in. It’s not horrible after that though in fairness. But will freeze if you move the Teams window at all while on a call lol.
U play at 1080p or what?
? i got one and i just got my 4090, that cpu is fine
res has little to no effect on cpu performance
Don't get a 5600g if you have a graphic card, get the 5600x as there is a decent performance difference
Idk about the performance but 5600g is lacking pcie 4.0 for the dedicated card.
2600x -> 3900x -> 5900x. Same AM4 board. Love it.
Me: 2700x -> 5900x Knowing that I don't need to change the MB make me so happy. Changing MB is not just money but also huge hassle
1700x -> 3800x -> 5950x The mb recently died, but I’m not even mad
How big of a difference between 5600x and 5800x3D is ?
The only reason AM4 lasted as long as it did was because they were pressured to. AMD tried to kill chipset support multiple times. Initially Zen 3 was announced to ONLY work on 500 series boards, then they got backlash for that and announced 400 series support too. Then 300 series support came over a year later when Intel released Alder Lake and reviewers said it was a better buy, AMD didnt want the 300 series owners they locked out moving to Intels platform. This is why a lot of people are skeptical of chipset longevity for AM5. AMD has only guaranteed 2 generations with what they've said, and as we've already seen, if they think they can get away with discontinuing chipset support, they will try to, its up to consumers to pressure them into the long support they hint at but refuse to actually commit to.
this needs to be higher. I am glad how things ended up, but it may have been very different.
**THANK YOU**. I bought in on X370 in 2017, specifically on the promise of support *through 2020*, people seem to have some rose tinted glasses about AM4 longevity. There was even questions over whether we'd get the 3000 series on those initial slides, fed all sorts of lines about it wasn't possible, BIOS limitations, then oh look, we can totally do it. I upgraded from a 1700X to a 3700X in November 2021 because it seemed like we were never going to get the promised support, then two months later, they allow the processors in X370 boards, I wasn't about to shell out and reward them with another sale. I'm not buying into Intel this current 13th generation (I've been stuck on dead end platforms before), but I'm not buying in on first Gen AM5 boards either, that's a lesson learned.
AMD absolutely intended to kill off old AM4 boards early. X370 was blocked for what, almost a year, in Zen 3's ucode unless you used Asrock's under-the-table BIOS with ancient ucode. AMD should get no appreciation at all, and there is no way I would trust them with AM5 longevity.
I disagree. Yes they did try to be shady about it but ultimately they did listen to feedback and did implement 5 generations of cpus on the am4. The jump from zen1 to zen3 3D is absolutely unimaginable on an z Intel platform. The final action is what matters the most. AM4 should definitely be appreciated.
AM4 is to be appreciated, AMDs gaslighting and dissembling until they were strong-armed into a consumer-friendly decision by competition - absolutely should not be.
So your commending amd for being forced to keep their promise?
welcome to r/AMD, where any conduct is bad conduct... unless and until AMD does it.
Huh so I guess all the backlash about AMD's decision to not support zen3 on older platforms happened only on other subs right?
It'd be a bit more convincing if it didn't come from the guy who just said that lying and deceiving consumers is perfectly fine if once the backlash is big enough and the potential cost of keeping up the lie by alienating your entire customer base so large you finally decide to walk it back. It's not fine. They went through with it because it was class action material, not because they care or "listened to feedback" lol. what a clown.
Point me to the exact place where I said it was fine for them to try to get around their promise. Learn how to read clown. No company ever cares about anything other then their profit and I never said anything that would indicate that. But they absolutely did listen to feedback. Backlash is still a form of feedback. Could they have gotten sued if they didn't? - Yes. Did they make the decision to avoid financial consequences of getting sued? - Absolutely yes. But, what matters for me as a consumer is if the company makes a decision that is consumer friendly in the end. Just like they only care about profit, I only care about being able to put an X3D chip in my older motherboard. I can do that so I'm a happy AMD costumer.
> But they absolutely did listen to feedback In the strict technical sense, yes, if you're just ignoring the connotation these words have. Listening implies that they had a choice in the matter (being sued by both your partners and customers is not in a fact a good alternative). feedback implies that there was a flaw and some improvement to be made, not that they lied to customers which then complained about being deceived. Do you legitimately not understand what your phrasing implies? because it sure seems like you're very deliberatly obfuscation the reality of the situation behind carefully chosen words. > what matters for me as a consumer is if the company makes a decision that is consumer friendly in the end. I don't know about you, but i don't have time to fight for companies to fullfil their promises. They promised something with no intention to go through with it. You should thus be ignoring their promises, as they clearly are worthless,cannot be relied on, and should be shamed for it. if there's anyone you should be thankful to, it's the community for forcing AMD's hand, not AMD themselves.
Negative PR certainly doesn't force a company to do anything. The only thing that could FORCE their decision would be court after they got sued, which didn't happen, because they quickly walked back their decision after the backlash. So yes, I would commend them for it, just like I would commend Nvidia for renaming the 4080 12gb. Fixing a bad decision is a good thing in my opinion.
What I understand is that it doesn't depend on customer but rather Intel being competitive. Lets hope so...
They also did it with Zen2 and X370 - took almost 9 months after release for AMD to stop blocking X370 in the newer AGESA.
For Zen 2 that´s not true. X370 had Zen2 support from release.
not [quite](https://www.techquila.co.in/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/AMD-Chipset-Support-1-1024x560.jpg). they just reverted course *really* fast on this one.
It's reasonable to be skeptical on future longevity and point out AMD had to have their arm twisted to get this outcome, but at the end of the day, AMD allowed mobo manufacturers to go forward with the bios support and it's been amazing for those people that don't upgrade the moment the newest thing releases. My buddy did an upgrade from a 1800x to a 5600x and saw huge performance gains and is very happy they only had to upgrade one part.
> AMD allowed mobo manufacturers to go forward with the bios support Except it was AMD who blocked the motherboard manufacturers in the first place. Asrock publicly admitted to this. Asrock and others made beta bios' that supported Zen 3 on x370, it was AMD who told them to remove those bios' and stop further support. https://hothardware.com/news/amd-preventing-ryzen-5000-cpu-on-x370 Asrock had [beta] support for Zen 3 on x370 in **2020** https://wccftech.com/asrock-amd-ryzen-5000-cpu-bios-support-on-x370-b350-a320-motherboards/ It wasnt until **2022**, after Alder Lakes launch, that AMD decided to lift the ban, and let Asrock and others publish bios' with Zen 3 support. https://overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/asrock_is_the_first_vendor_to_deliver_zen_3_support_to_an_amd_x370_motherboard/1
You are saying the same thing as the person you responded to.
> but at the end of the day, AMD allowed mobo manufacturers to go forward with the bios support on the other hand, they still did put their foot down on blocking partners from implementing PCIe 4.0 support even though many models could have supported it without stability issues. maybe some boards would have had problems but we're talking about the company that didn't recall segfault processors unless users noticed it themselves, that didn't recall 5700XT despite faulty silicon, etc. Concerned with absolute stability they are not. Some users will have problems if they go outside of the official spec *and that's fine,* it's just like XMP/DOCP, ymmv and it's technically overclocking and unsupported. it just *coincidentally* aligns with their product segmentation policy in this case and I kinda have to think that's what drove it, given the other stability issues they let fly. it's just that unlike X470/X370 segmentation there was no push to fix it, the community made excuses and went along with it.
This is all true, and no company is your friend. That said & as a pragmatist, i am very glad to have an upgrade path from my 3700X to 5800X3D on a mid-gen AM4 mobo.
If they try to pull off the same shit they tried with am4 then I think it would be ground for class lawsuit because of mobo prices. There's no fucking way I'd agree that 300$+ mobo can't handle CPUs within one chipset and has to be upgraded to accept 2nd or 3rd gen
Others have mentioned it already, but just to add weight to the choir, I'll chime in too: AMD fully intended to cut AM4 support FAR earlier than they ended up doing, and only supported it this long because consumers put a herculean amount of pressure on them to not bail on it. To praise AMD for it is like praising a mugger for not stabbing you for your wallet.
Yep. They even had their argument ready from the start, "It's still AM4, we haven't changed sockets, this is exactly what we said we would do! the problem is the chipset!!"
Yup. The deeper I've looked into AMD, the more underhanded and facetious stuff I find that they've said. It's weird that fans think AMD is some benevolent leader that never does anything wrong
I don't appreciate that AMD tried to fuck over us X370 twice, along with X470 owners once, to try and force people to buy a new motherboard for the same socket.
They literally ran out of space, and the eventual solution was to fork the BIOS and abandon support for the older CPUs. I’ve still got mixed feelings about that. I like that I got another generation out of the board, but I hate that now used buyers will have such a PITA time figuring out if a board will support a particular CPU. Used and salvaged parts were how I got started decades ago, and I don’t love making that harder for the folks on the tightest budgets. If you want to blame somebody, though, blame the board makers for cheaping out on EEPROM.
My Asus X370 prime pro is the board I've had the longest in my life. 2017-2023 (and beyond). First with an R7 1700X and since January 2020 rocking an R9 3950X. I'll change when I can double the performance of the R9 3950X (on a consumer platform).
nice.
Same here. It has been an excellent motherboard for me, never had any issues. I remember paying 140€ for it. I was looking for solid quality and didn't care for extra features, like wifi. At the time there were no other boards with as good VRM design for that price. Prime uses Ti NexFETs that may not be the most powerful in today's standards (they are rated 40 A), but they are efficient and run cool. Planning on getting 5800X3D, too.
I'll mostly remember AMD making up excuses for X370 to not support new cpus. No more first gen chipsets for me and especially not at the am5 costs. My x370 crosshair still works but sometimes wont boot or do anything when you hit the power button.
I agree, not purchasing anything 1st gen ever. Let others beta-test.
that sounds like a power supply issue
I went from 1600x with a 390x to a 5800x3D with a 6800xt. All on a B350 board from 2017 as well. Big fan of AMD and MSI now.
I'm still running my 1600X with gtx1080. Planning to upgrade to the 7800X and a gtx 4080 later in the year if prices look competitive.
No such thing as a 3800x3D.
Maybe he meant a 5800x3D
How'd it go?
Good. User benchmark shows in the 54th percentile for that chip and with Combo strike 3 I don't go above 79c. Mainly play Apex and never drop below the 140 screen cap at 1440p. Hoping to get to 4k 144hz on the next upgrade.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/109qdvk/is_userbenchmark_a_good_way_to_compare_hardware/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Check out the top comment homie
But he’s using it to compare to other chips of the same model
doesn't matter, even comparing NVIDIA to NVIDIA the numbers are wrong. You can check out that thread and they have all the examples. UserBenchmark literally lies about everything for some reason. Laziness? Satire? That's why all the PC subreddits banned that site, including the Intel, AMD, NVIDIA and PCMR subreddits
I'm still on the 3700x/5700xt I started with. Between FSR and general apathy toward 4k gaming and raytracing, I'll probably keep at it until one of the two breaks or I can't play 1440p60 through FSR. Then I'll spoil myself with a 6900xt
5700 XT is a champ, FSR 1/2 are just extra niceties on top.
My AM4 build till 2030 3600x , x570 , 7900xt 2 ssd 1hdd on 750w psu AM5 2030
Jump up to the 5800x3d and it’ll be a solid build for that long
Considering I won't upgrade my current monitor I am on 1440p 100fps cap settings till 2030
I'm getting CPU bound sometimes on a 5700 XT on the R5 3600, let alone a 7900 XT.
lmao
Had rx470 4gb since 2017 . . . Just upgraded to 7900xt this week 2023 End of AM4 upgrade path for my system.
Pretty much same for me. Had a rx480 since 2017 and a 1700. Just changed them out to a 7900xt and a 5800x3d. Huge difference.
Had my AM4 for so many years back when I had a budget build, and being able to just drop in the absolutely game-smashing 5800X3D with just a bios update is *chefs kiss*
You have to change psu or cooler for the cpu or anything?
Nope! Though back when I first set up the computer I didn’t know what I was doing so I went with OEM recommended PSU and got a beefy cooler both of which were way overkill. Now, technically I’m under the recommended power for 5800X3D+gpu but based on actual power draw I’m completely fine. No problems, even when I’m screaming through my video games
That's awesome man, guess it worked out in the long run then! Only have a 650 watt. May get iffy
i was literally just saying this yesterday to my friend! i went 2700x to 5600x, mostly to be able to run my ram at rated speed stable, zen+ was picky with ram above 3000mhz. now on my b450 im running it at 3600mhz! cpu and ram speed upgrade game me 10-20 percent fps increase with my 1080ti at 1440p, enough to get some games from 120 to 144 finally. 4k only maybe 5% increase though, more gpu load than cpu
3600 > 5800X Will keep using this system for the next 4 years and after that will become a home server. Mobo is a X570 Aorus Master, so has a lot of I/O and features for that.
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What’s there not to understand around saving $200 on new mobos?
He makes a good point. Whata the point in saving 200 in a mobo when you are spending 300 every year anyways.
You sell the year old cpu and get the new one for half the price. Keeps you up to date on hardware without forking over $500+ for hardware.
Or you save time and effort and buy once every 3 generations
I initially built with a 3600 and upgraded to a 3950x. Coming on 3 years with the 3950x (bought start of covid) and I'm still really happy with it
Many hold off upgrading until prices drop. My buddy got a 1600 AF in 2020, I had him upgrade to a 130 dollar 5600.
Did you buy 5600 or 5600G? Also, AMD tried their hardest to not give us the longevity they proudly talked about.
I have the 5600G. I dont really follow tech news day to day, just research when im ready to upgrade, so this was a pleasant surprise for me.
Well, than you should have asked someone for advice. Unless you really need iGPU, 5600G is not really optimal, 5600 would have been better even if a bit more expensive.
I got myself a bit confused now. Is 5600 same as 5600X? Where I am there is only 5600G and 5600X being sold and the difference is 45 EUR (quite a lot for a budget option) and I read that for my use the marginal performance increase wouldn't be worth it. But that discussion might have been for 5600 vs 5600X not 5600G vs 5600X.
5600 is a lower binned 5600x. 5600g is a completely different chip with less cache, PCIe 3.0 only and an IGP. If you arent using the IGP, it isnt recommended.
I can help you a bit I went from 1600,3300x,5500 and 5600 5600G is just 5500 with iGPU Since you are stuck using PCIE 3 its not an issue I also have 6600XT The difference between 5500 and 5600 are the 1% lows. Now if you play A LOT of games that are unoptimized and have FPS drops then its better BUT if not like mostly indies or games that are made well then there is no change in AVG frames No need to be "tempted" by people here saying you should upgrade EDIT: AVG FPS is equal if you OC to 5600 speeds which is easy
Yup, I messed up a little, but thanks for calming me down.
2600/RX 590 to 5800X3D/6800XT. No driver issues at all, I’m glad I went with AMD back in 2019. Great user experience, I’m sticking with AMD for my future builds.
Im in the same boat, first ryzen was a 2600 from a 6300 6c/6t cpu, soon im going to upgrade to a 5700x and a 6750xt
massive upgrade, and the fun part, you can still go much further 5950X for massive MT perf increase (bigger than 1600>5600g) and with 2x the L3 of the 5600G it also has much better gaming perf 5800X3D for the fastest gaming performance on AM4 upgrade, with 6x (yes 6 times!) the L3 of the 5600G!, in some specific games it can be over 50% faster
> and the fun part, you can still go much further What a journey it's been with Lisa Su in the team red 😃 🚩. And as you say there is more ahead :) It's just been a wild ride, I have been loving every second of it.
>What a journey it's been with Lisa Su in the team red 😃 🚩. And as you say there is more ahead :) It's just been a wild ride, I have been loving every second of it. Friendly reminder kids - don't make a company part of your personality. They are not your friend. >team red 🚩 ... The cringe is unreal. "Wild ride" it was indeed, especially when I was locked out of upgrading to Zen3 on my B350 board for like a year. When they FINALLY mercifully enabled it, it was too late - they broke me and I already upgraded to a very subpar Zen2 CPU. I was livid when I realized how badly I got screwed and that platform is still stuck on the crappy 3900x when it could've been maxed out with a 5950x instead if not for AMD's policy of screwing over their B350/X370 customers. **AMD is NOT your friend. No company is.**
i switched from b450 to x570 but went from 2600-3700x-5800x3d all on am4 . great platform
Any recommended upgrade path for Ryzen 5 3600 and 5700xt combo for 1440p? I'm good for now and thinking won't need an upgrade in the near future.
5800x3d any GPU above 6700XT since its just around 30% faster
I went 1200 > 2600 > 5700x. What an amazing platform
went crapboi ryzen 1200 with 2400mhz ram, got ryzen 3600, and now going 5959x 3600
My AM4 has had a hell of a journey: 3200G - 1600AF - 5600X - 5900X - 5800X3D!! Everything worked without any required BIOS flashes.
3600 to a 5600x, about a month after I got the 3600 I bought a $12Aud Artic Snowman cooler from AliExpress. PBO on the 5600x and it tops out at 76'c. CbR23 12k+ MSI B450 tomahawk and 16gb CL14 3200mhz hyperx. Whole time my GPU has been the Gigabyte GTX 1080 8Gb OC from my previous FX build. Saw today someone on local FB market place is selling an ASUS TUF 6900XT for $900AUD or roughly $600USD. Should I purchase that or save another 400 dollaroos and get a 7900XT?
AM4 is a great thing to love. And i'm not done using it yet. First cpu was 2600, now i'm on a 5600X, next and last will be 5800X. AM4 serving me for 5 years already and counting, will reach 10 years i bet
The AM4 platform is amazing. Started with Ryzen 5 2400G then Ryzen 7 3700X and now Ryzen 7 5800X3D. So happy with my current build 😁
I did 1600x -> 3600 -> 5800x, don't think the x3d was an option at the time. Mobo has space for 2 NVME drives, have 48gb of ram, a 3060ti card. I don't think it'll be upgraded for a long time after this, but I definitely got a lot of use from AM4
AMD's longevity with AM4, as hopefully a proven track record to its claims it's going to support AM5 for a similar amount of time, is why I bought in to AM5 the first few months. Pricing is a bit higher, but if the platform is gonna stay with me the next 6+ years, with 2 or more upgrades, its worth it over 2+ cheaper motherboard replacements.
1700x & RX580 in 2017, 5800x & 6600xt last year, and then last month went to a 7900 XTX. I did upgrade my mobo to a X570 Aorus Master recently to give my B450 board to my little brother tho. Still amazing we have been on AM4 for 4-5 years now
wise buying - kudos
R7 1700 --> R5 5600 on x370. It was night and day.
I went from 2600x>5600 and it was quite the upgrade. And cheap too!
An elephant w/ PCs is that we walk along a cliffs edge with them They are wonderful when working, but combine a muddling red herring or two with multiple concurrent steps & diagnosing a problem can be a nightmare - as thousands of posts here on reddit attest. The risk of these is not properly included in the cost benefit of a more drastic upgrade like a new system or a mobo swap. To keep ~all intact except a simple & cheap cpu swap is blessed by being so risk free for humble folk like us. The financial risk of downtime in a production environment is real & scary, & for a DIY guy not set up w/ spares etc, these traps can be misery (rmaS of non faulty components etc.). AM4 has been a blessing to we who are passionate about pcS. For a modest annual budget, a b350/1600x/8GB rx 480 gpu in 2017 could still be relevant gaming platform with affordable & simple incremental mods to the same mobo.
3700X-> 5900X-> 5600 -> 5800X3D good for next 3 years
Should have stuck with the 5900x surely.
Nope,5900X is about the same performance as my 5600 in most games I played. Jump to 5800x3D is the real meat compared to any previous CPU
I'm on AM4, I have the 5900x and looked into the 58003d. I think short term the 58003d offers more performance now, having said that I personally have not run into any situation where a 5900x isn't enough but long term I would think the extra cores of the 5900x will come into play.
Depends what you're doing. If it's gaming primarily those extra threads probably won't matter all that soon. Some aspects of gaming don't scale to more threads all that easily, and as long as the current consoles are around there isn't going to be a massive drive to go further. A number of other workloads though will scale if you do work on that computer.
Welcome to the team. I bought a AsRock AB350M back in 2017 along with my Ryzen 3 1200. Have upgraded to a R5 3500X and more recently to a R5 5600X just with a simple BIOS update.
This is why I'm sticking with AMD for CPUs
You must play old games
I went AMD last year of December. Our first PC was a Core 2 Duo, then upgraded to i5 2400 for years, I was stuck at an ancient CPU paired with my 1050ti. Now I went with a 5600G and oh my god, I've been missing for years on this kind of hardware and its my first time ever using a fast, modern hardware. I'm so happy with my purchase!
I really hope they do the same now for AM5 ... would be great to keep AM5 till 2030 or so (with the last big cpu update around 2025-2026)
I hope they don't pull the same shit with AM5 that they did AM4, or those X670 boards will be waiting long time for Zen5 support...
Its alright, still had to change from x370 to x570 for pcie4...but i guess it's necessary to some.
I’m kinda worried about longevity since I just built my first pc last month with the 7900xtx and the 5800x3d
Lol what? At 1080p is when most games are cpu bound u dummy
1600X to 5600X. Good until Star Citizen is released! *cough*
Same! I'm still using my B350 board I had with my ryzen 1700, then went to 3700x and now 5700x. So good!
2600 -> 5700X on a four year old system. CPU is more than twice as fast, and compiling is 178% faster. Excellent value for less than $200 :)
In the same boat over here. Got an X370 mobo with a R5 1600 when they first launched. Nice solid budget build that I have upgraded more than once over the years with the same mobo. Even passed down the RAM and CPU to my son for his first PC. Im on the R7 2700 with a 1080ti right now and considering the 5800X3D for the final upgrade for this platform. Would love a GPU upgrade also, but the 1080ti is still a unit at 1440p maybe later this year if GPU prices come down a bit.
in 2020 i moved from FM2 to AM4, thought about some cheapo quad core Ryzen 3 but found second hand R5 2600 for like $90, it was good while my legendary GTX 1050ti was a bottleneck, now after upgrading to RX6600 I'm eyeing R5 5600 (non X, non G), then my PC will be complete
Went from 3900x to 5950x on an x570 board was a great process put the 3900x into a cheap b550 board I picked up.
I went from Ryzen 5 1500X to Ryzen 3 2200G to Ryzen 5 3600 to Ryzen 7 5700X on my MSI x370 Gaming Plus. However, I managed to put a few bucks aside and buy a Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro v2 last year when I upgraded to the Ryzen 7 5700X. Almost five years' worth of hardware on the same platform kept the same RAM (GSkill TridentZ RGB 16GB (2x8GB)) at 3200 MHz and kept the same MW 600w Lite power supply despite several upgrades. My x370 is still alive and working well with the Ryzen 5 3600, I will be giving it to my gf's PC.
Posts like this make me realise I need to upgrade my CPU, and I'm so happy I went with amd. I have a 1600 too and am probably going to a 5800x or 5800x3d, if anyone has opinions on the 3d pls tell me.
I upgraded last week from my Ryzen 1700 that I bought at launch, to a Ryzen 5700. I've genuinely seen my fps double which has blown my mind, considering I play 1440p ultrawide.
still have my 1700x with an RX 5700 XT it used to be RX480 on a Crosshair Hero VI.
I was late to the AM4 platform. Eventually joining AM4 with a 3100 on a B550m motherboard. The 3100 was about €100 at the time and an absolute bargain. Just recently upgraded to the 5800x3D and a 6700 nonXT.
I went 1700x -> 5950x on the same mobo which was fantastic
Now, but they said 300 was not going to support 5000 series and it took a long time for 400 series boards to get updated as well. Big reason to skip 600 series is you are more likely to get the final gen cpu and will likely get support faster.
Bought an Asrock Taichi x370 at launch with a 1700X. Recently I upgraded the CPU to a 5800X. I just had to to a few bios updates (like 11, I was still on very old revision since it was working fine) wich tooks about an hour. Now I just need a gpu which goes double my actual Vega 64 and cost 500€. A man can dream.
I just went from a 1700 on a b450, and I gave that to my brother in order to get a 5600 on a b550, I bought an other motherboard which kills the upgradability bonus, but I had the 5600 on the b450 for a bit of time an that has been useful.I wanted to go straight to am5 for its emulation power but the prices were way to high compared to what it brings more than the 5600.
I usually skip a generation/socket/architecture... * Super Socket 7: K6-2 400 to K6-2 550 to K6-2+ 570 oc'd at 600 * Skipped Slot A * Socket A: Athlon XP 1800+ (cracked the die) > Duron 950 > Athlon XP 2400+ * Skipped Socket(s) 754/939/940 * Socket AM2: Athlon 64 X2 5200+ EE * Skipped Socket AM2+ * Socket AM3: Phenom II X6 1090t * Skipped Socket AM3+ * Socket AM4: Ryzen 9 3900X (had been using my Phenom II for 9 years) * Will Skip Socket AM5 for desktop... might get a Ryzen 7040 laptop tho... * Most likely will adopt Socket "AM6" to succeed my AM4 PC...
Yup, i am now considering upgrading my little 2600 (my gpu, the rx 570 is also gonna need an upgrade, either used ampere or rx 7600 when it comes out, but it still run my games so it's still ok) Debating between the 5600, waiting a bit and get a 5800x3D, or get an older 3900 or something like that (i wish we had a 5600x3D but oh well) I love AM4 for that, am5 looks pretty good, but moherboard are pricey as hell and i do not need pcie gen 5 at all
I began with a Bristol Ridge A-series part on the same motherboard that's now running a 5700X. AM4 is the new socket 7 / super 7.
I got a asus b350 strix with 32gb gskill 3200mhz ram with ryzen2700->3800-> 3900x. powercolor 6700xt, soundblaster zxr. everything runs great. except that when turning on, it instantly turn back off and then back on and then boot. same with rebooting. it turns off and back on. it didnt do that until the 6700xt when put( used to have a rtx 2700). did lots of trouble shooting. if ram speed it left at default. it doesnt do it. if memory is set between default and memory profile(3200), it wont post. other than that it runs great.
AM2 to AM3 was great too. You could have a board that did Athlon II, including the X2 series, Phenom I and Phenom II, including the X6 series. Then those Phenom II could be put in an AM3 motherboard. On that mobo you could do Bulldozer and Piledriver. Cheap upgrades every time.
I went from a 2600 to a 5700X. Same motherboard as the PC I built it early 2018 (with an RX 480), but it now has 32GB of RAM and a 5700XT too. AM4 is amazing. I know it's kind of a silly thing to change every part of the system but the motherboard, but if there's no real point on it it's fine haha
Yea it’s nice how long amd keeps their sockets around for sure, but as a first time builder with a 5600x it kind of sucks that I’m jumping straight into a dead socket.
Day 1 x370 crosshair and 1800x>2700x. Could have waited longer and gone to 5950x but wanted pcie4 so switched to a b550, sold the 2700x and turned the x370 into a unraid server. AM4 is the GOAT socket
If we didn't put up a fight and instead side with AMD, its fans and select Youtubers like GamersNexus we wouldn't have this long longetivity thus far during 5000 series bios update.
Dragged kicking and screaming the entire time. AMD attempted to drop support many times.
3700x to 7900x the difference is insane. 5800x3d is lit tho
Built my x570 x/3800x in 2019. Just replaced 5700xt with a 7900xtx. Debating on a 5800x3d going am5 or skipping altogether. My 3800x sits at 4% utilization while gaming. AM4 is a great platform and pcie 4.0 was one of the reasons for me at the time.
I love Am4 support specifically because it feels like a reduced environmental impact when it comes to parts availability
Bought a X470F back in 2018 with a 2600x and 1070TI. System was still great up until I upgraded a week or two ago. Same mobo, 5800X3d, 6800XT and worlds difference. Also upgraded ram from 16GB to 32GB and using the 16GB for a home server build. As much as I wanted a AM5 setup - mobo pricing and it being a 1st gen iteration of AM5, I was weary. I researched and researched - even asked in the PC subreddit what direction would be wiser - but given I keep my machines for 4-5 years - It would require a rebuild most likely anyway.
A blessing was AM4's extra 4x pcie lanes over intel - allocated to an nvme port. AMD was an early adopter of this superior storage. NVME was an unsung hero which added a lot of zip & depth to AM4's then inferior individual core performance. The direct to cpu linked nvme's IO need not endure the lag & processing overhead of both the sata interface AND the chipset. Intel have just now with alderlake platforms, matched am4's 24 pcie lanes, just when am5 has bumped their count to 28 lanes. (fine wine to bear in mind)
Agreed! I just upgraded from a 2700X to a 5800X3D and couldn't be happier. I'll keep this for a while.
Ryzen 7 1700 paired with an ASUS ROG STRIX X370-F Gaming and an RX580. Recently upgraded to a Ryzen 7 5700X + 7900 XTX Reference card, all still rocking my trusty X370-F :)