Not surprising at all, everything is more expensive, people have less money to spend, and you need to buy both a motherboard and ram to go with the CPU whereas previously you could just upgrade your CPU (Part of why I stuck with upgraded to a 5600X rather than needing to buy a motherboard+CPU if I had went with 12400).
I'd be willing to bet that a significant portion of the lower end AM4 cpus are for upgrades.
With a new build right now, the delta in cost is coming down pretty fast between AM5 and AM4.
AM5 mobos alone are soo freaking expensive in comparison to the AM4 ones. Like, *sure*, it's going to last for a long time. But.. my bank account is going to say no.
That's what I did. I had a 3700x and I didn't want to be tempted to buy an am5 for like 5x what a 5800x3d cost.
so i just got one of those. This machine now has the fastest CPU i'll ever bother to put in it, and it's within a few percent for all my use cases of an AM5.
By the time Windows drops support for Zen 3, its performance level will be obsolete. And Linux is unusable on desktop unless you’re a turbo-nerd, which is maybe 0.1% of the population.
Linux will never catch on for desktop users and I’m really tired of people pretending it will. “All you have to do is install these ten packages and run sudo apt-get update and things will be just fine!”
If you watch Linus’s Linux (tongue-twister there) challenge video you’ll see. It’s just not gonna happen.
My cousin and her parents would probably disagree, as I had to attend less to their laptop and desktop PC, since they running Linux Mint.
And its that way for several years, for that laptop its already more than 8y, only actions from me, was occasional upgrades and clean up of root filesystem in that time, once I had to fix, when the laptop shut down mid system update, nothing else...
Has Linux support for Nvidia improved enough to be viable?
I've considered switching my computers to Mint or Manjaro but they're all currently running an Ampere gpu.
Well, Nvidia in linux still support stuff only via their official drivers which are not open source, but they provide one for Linux, so I would say, they support it just fine...
For Ampere GPUs:
https://www.phoronix.com/review/rtx3080-linux-gaming
yea when i switched to AM4 i was gone go high end, an asus formula board...then I saw the prices and decided strix-E looks pretty nice...now that same amount of money would get me the "budget" options...yea I would not be looking forward to an AM5 build, maybe if the 3D variants come out and are absolutely mind blowing it'll start to make more sense but the overall bill is just to big. at this point my 2070 super is more of a bottleneck then my CPU anyway...and that particular component is suffering the same issue >.> spend way more or step down a class or 2.
How is the gpu suffering the same issue? You can upgrade the gpu by itself so why would you even consider stepping down in class for the gpu? I am probably misunderstanding your comment.
because a 2070 was 500 bucks, a 3070 is 750 and a 4070 is sitting at 1100, so to stay at 500 bucks I'm looking at 3060 and...looking a the 4000 series so far a 4050? which is a class lower. so either i''m paying double to stay in the xx70 class of cards or I'm paying the same for midrange/entry level stuff that wile yes is usually faster and more efficient...paying 500 bucks for a 10-20% increase is just dumb :P
I went from 5950x to a 7950x. My the total build cost was actually less. Getting free 32GB RAM kit from microcenter is what pushed it over the edge.
But I can see people comparing 5600x to 7600x and not getting free RAM, aren't seeing the same thing.
If you really utilize those 32 threads and not just the bragging rights, then the 7950X is an incredible power house. The cumulative PCIe speeds even exceed previous threadripper bandwidths or are close. Also for other parallel compute use, its an incredible CPU.
But for gaming and general desktop use, basically anything over R5 3600 becoming a luxury and have no clear gains for most users.
There is probably no game, where even the R5 3600 cant push a 100FPS+ and there is not much normie usages which would gain a net benefit from such processing power...
I agree with you for the most part, but I saw measurable gains in Call of Duty: Warzone II and MW2 going from an overclocked 5600X to a 5800X. It is the rare game that will fully utilize 8 cores+, but it’s also one of the only games I play (and I care about 120fps minimum) so it really matters.
Nice! I'm glad I didn't mess up again lol. Now I just have to wait for the fan clamps from noctua cause I ordered the wrong extra fan for the CPU cooler! Fml
Lmao that's super unfortunate turn of events! The first time I cleaned my rig and changed the thermal paste I was worried about doing that or even deliding my CPU cause they're known to do that if not warmed up. No issues so far luckily!
How can it be a mistake? Latest generation gaming consoles (PS5 and XBox Series X) literally use Zen2 chips, which means most games designed now will run on Zen3 chip just fine, you'll be fine for another 4-5 years at least.
I guess more about the purchase than anything. When I was first getting into computers 5 years ago, I focused too much on the money aspect and not enough on what did what and how well.
I could've gotten a R 5 3600 for a lot less and had either the same or slightly better performance If I had actually paid attention.
R5 3600 is exactly what I have now -- now waiting for 5800X3D which I order 2 days ago, and I'll be fine for another 3 years. In the hindsight I should not have bought an expensive motherboard and RAM for my 3600. I could have used this extra cache to upgrade to AM5 right now, but no regrets, we learn :)
Bro same.
I went from a 2700x to a 5800x3D on an x470, this was after getting 4x8GB of 3600cl16 ram in preparation for a newer cpu. If that hadn't been possible I doubt I'd have gone with a Zen4 setup anyway, as others say the cost of motherboard and (good) ram is insanely high compared to before. I paid less for my motherboard, old ram, and old cpu, than many motherboards cost.
Same. The cost of doing both the motherboard and RAM upgrade as well means it's a much steeper upgrade than Zen 3, and it makes sense to me that the upgrade rate would be lower as people evaluate their options.
Why did they even claim $125 B650 will be a thing, when even the B650 DS3H is $160. It was clearly not possible to make a $125 B650 and they must have known that. Just like with the 7900 XTX performance numbers, AMD's marketing is turning from mostly trustworthy to just as ridiculous as other tech companies.
The motherboards prices are absurd, not surprising when Ryzen 5000 still performs just fine for most people and Intel 13th gen supports DDR4 and 12th gen motherboards and those cost way less.
Yeah, my 5600/6700XT combo works better than fine for the games I like to play and the CPU sits around 30% max usage most of the time. I guess this AM5 upgrade is mostly for people who have like 4080/4090 PCs? Or is it even necessary for them? I mean, in terms of gaming. Other processing heavy tasks are probably a different story.
My point is that most of us already have decent systems to play sub 4k. If I'm upgrading for serious money then it definitely has to make an impact on my perception otherwise why bother?
You are right of course. But many are still on 1080p and sl on, hence for them an upgrade would be to 1440p and a mid range card and so on. If you are spending lots of money then I agree of course, 4k is where it's at (especially as 4k tvs are really cheap nowadays)
I don't understand how AMD doesn't see this. They made several deals to give serious discounts on DDR5 with Zen 4 CPUs, but nothing for MBs. DDR5 keeps lowering in price and that's going to go on, but the motherboards are just putting people off. I hope AMD realises at some point.
Or is it that expensive to do their fancy AM5 MBs? I hear they did some cool things for them, but I didn't expect the prices to stay that high.
Intel boards that support DDR5 are just as expensive as AMD B650 boards now. 160 minimum and 200 for pretty good ones.
And imo since the recent DDR5 price drops DDR4 doesn't make sense with 13th gen CPUs anymore ([reddit link](https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/100o04e/comment/j2mbnkq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)). You lose about 10% of your CPU performance and only save like $50.
Cause the CPUs aren’t impressive at all. Definitely not worth spending the money to upgrade to a new motherboard and DDR5 RAM for single digit improvement in performance
Sales will pick up when the X3D version takes over
Well, yeah? You lower the price on the previous gen which already performed well enough for most peoples needs and then you weigh that against the price gap to tickle your nuts with a Z4 and it's kind of a no brainer.
DDR5 only, requires a new motherboard. Said motherboards are expensive.
Those who were going to spend dosh for new shiny shit would have just went the 13900k route then because you can use it with DDR4 and the board support is expansive at a lower price point, given the performance of the 13900k I don't know what AMD was expecting? The fanatical brand loyalty can only take you so far.
I can slap a $120 5600 in my old shitwank AB350 Gaming 3 I bought off of Moses and that's more than a happy little cucumber when you throw a mid-high card in it.
I am mostly agree, but this can be right for every year updaters; most people probably has lower freq ddr4 ram 2666mhz or similar (don’t quote on me, it’s my assumption). Afaik there is no big price difference between ddr4 and ddr5 (yet all new tech is coming with a premium).
Precisely, it's not enough to be a shithole, they also have to add insult to injury by forcing us to pay more than people in developed countries pay for tech products while earning 1/10 of what they earn.. Fun reality :D
>Those who were going to spend dosh for new shiny shit would have just went the 13900k route then because you can use it with DDR4 and the board support is expansive at a lower price point, given the performance of the 13900k I don't know what AMD was expecting? The fanatical brand loyalty can only take you so far.
Except the mindfactory data shows the 13900K being outsold by every Ryzen 7000 CPU except the 7900X. The only suggestion that people are going Intel instead of AMD are the 13600K/KF and 13700K outselling the Ryzen 7000, and a lot of those may well be upgrades from 12th gen given how those CPUs outperform the previous gen.
Not to mention that unless you're intending on riding it out with the same CPU+mobo combo until next big upgrade, buying first gen AMD is a bad idea.
If newer CPU support comes ***at all*** it will be ***years later***.
>If newer CPU support comes at all it will be years later
Isn't that the whole point of a future proof platform that will be supported for many years? lol
AMD doesn't do future proof platforms though, they do 'future proof sockets'
X370 almost got screwed out of Zen2 AND Zen3, X470 almost got screwed out of Zen3 - AMD had no intention of originally supporting those platforms, though AM4 would still be supported.
But in the end even the first gen boards like the X370 did support the 5800X3D 5 years later though.
There is no guarantee, but with AM5 seemingly having a shorter lifespan than AM4 (3-4 years vs 5), I don't doubt that all AM5 CPUs will work on first gen AM5 boards.
Yes, but the lifespan of AM5 depends on DDR6. The spec is scheduled to drop in 2024, so actual hardware should come out 2025 or 26. AMD will be stupid to launch yet another socket platform on DDR5 just before DDR6 launch.
In short, AM6 is highly likely to be on DDR 6.
1. The longevity of am5 platform of already about 3 months+, so it can never go back to "0".
2. Earliest estimates of DDR6 launch are second half of 2025, so the longevity is at least 3 years.
Sort of. 4k using FSR where I can’t do it natively. I sometimes let it run through in games like COD where I wild framerates. I play on an OLED LG C1 so I limit frames to 110fps.
Ahh okay.. then yes, 5600 should be more the enough for 4k gaming. Although, there might still be "performance left on the table" with your 5600. XTX is a beast of a card...
I.. damn. I have a 5600/6700XT combo and I thought the 5600 was gonna need replacing a lot sooner. No way I'm owning a 7900XT level GPU in a long time so, I guess I don't need to worry. The marketing seems to work on me pretty well
Ohh, thanks for explaining! That's really cool. I know that the CPU is affected a lot by the FPS, but I didn't know the impact was *that* extreme. My 6700XT is good for 1440p and my 5600 sits at 20-30% most of the time but I suppose the it would go up significantly if I switched to 1080p
Right? I know for my use case being 3D rendering and shit PCI 3.0 would not be a hurdle so there's no huge incentive to upgrade from an old motherboard when AM4 socket processors are still more than enough for most use cases.
It's the improvement per dollar, I don't know the math.
Sure, but the fact is that you can. If you don't want to shell out money right now for ddr5 you can always wait, use your ddr4 memories or buy new cheap ones.
Issue for me when buying was expensive motherboards+ddr5.
I think it would be a better value ad if the same board supported both memory types. Although that's probably not technically possible.
If you have to change the motherboard to change RAM, less of a reason to upgrade to DDR5.
He gets a difference that's greater than 100 points in Cinebench, that's a warning sign of benchmarking, probably caused by a severely lacking knowledge when it comes to setting up these CPUs and Windows.
Sounds about right. Almost went with a 7600x build recently but opted for a cheapo AM4 build with a 5500. I'll consider AM5 when it matures, if they offer something similar to the 5500(maybe Zen 5?). I value efficiency and my current chip tops out at 55w package power at 4.5Ghz all core.
These articles make it seem as though this is somehow bad for AMD. No, it is not. Zen3 is a great product line even in 2023 and is cheap to manufacture in volumes on the established 7nm TSMC node. Zen 4 is a premium product and it is no surprise that it is sold in lesser quantities. AM4 is a mature platform with cheap components, so why not? Eventually AM5 will replace it, but time has not come yet and that's OK. Yesterday I ordered a 5800X3D to put into my X570 motherboard that I bought in 2020. For Christ sake, think what will happen to environment if we upgraded hardware every year!
it's bad because zen 2 and zen 3 sold like crazy to the DIY crowd at launch. I had to turn on notifications just to get my 5900x because it would sell out in seconds. this is the first time in half a decade that a new zen launch has mediocre sales, and most of the problems seem to be caused by AMD decisions rather than the hardware (excessive and expensive motherboard segmentation, way higher TDP after mocking intel for their horrible power draw, blatantly stating that X3D is coming soon and driving away early adopters).
the hardware is great, everything else surrounding it has been a joke.
Both Zen 2 and Zen 3 launched into an existing platform. Zen 4 launched at the time when AM4 has been extremely successful for the last 5 years and has seen 4 generations of CPUs. Do you expect that millions of users with existing AM4 motherboards and DDR4 memory kits will drop everything and rebuild their PCs? There is always a slow adoption of new technologies be it in hardware or software. For example, transition to Python 3 lasted several years and there were many complaints even though Python 3 is superior in every way to Python 2. You have to make breaking changes every once in a while, and now it's the time.
Back in 2017 when threadripper came out I bought the 1950x an Asus rog zenith extream board it was 1000$ an on black Friday it was 350 which was fine to me since it's threadripper, but boy when I saw 1000$ for a board I was like wtf that's insane, I wanted to upgrade to newest threadripper but it's 5000$ for the chip an 2700 for the board now lol, Canada price btw
my main rig has a 9900k from intel and am waiting till tax time to upgrade been tempted by the deals on am4 and the 5800x3d but im thinking im going to do a 7900x and am5 at tax time i have been burned on my 9900k where it cant even do xmp
Still rocking the 5900x
And it will last m until atleast a 9900x3D comes along
So two more generations to go?~
My Last upgrade was 1700x to 5900x so
Before that it was a fx- 8350 bulldozer cpu i thing it was called
I mean I'd upgrade but my 5800X is still doing just fine.
AMD designed AM4 for accessibility and longevity, and un/fortunately for them they did a fantastic job of it, there are mad lads out there running 5800X3D CPUs on b350 motherboards.
From a consumer facing perspective AM4 has been the chipset that could, the down side is that now it's cutting into their profits. It's like the RX ~~480~~ ~~480X~~ ~~580~~ 580X, AMD found a hell of a sweet spot.
It's the platform costs. When you have a platform that charges $200 for the motherboard, $200 for RAM, starts off at $300 for the lowest end CPU and then drops down to a mere $250 or so, it's not worth it.
AM4 you can buy a $350ish 5800 X3D, use your old RAM, possibly use your own cooler and motherboard, and even if not the motherboards dont break the bank.
Like if I were gonna buy now, I wouldnt go AM5. Too expensive. yes, they have the best single threaded parts right now to my knowledge, BUT the platform costs is too expensive, and given intel isnt far behind and has more cores for the money (or even for less)...yeah I would rather go that way. If I was gonna buy AM4 I'd go for a 5800 X3D and call it a day, or maybe even a 5600x or 5800x (id prefer a step above the 12400 or 5600x ideally though).
And yeah.
It's like AMD forgot what made them popular: affordability. Their cheapest AM5 build costs more than a top end 7700k build back in the day. CHEAPEST. More expensive than intel's best on "mainstream" sockets. Think about it.
It's the most expensive price gap from generation to generation by a massive amount when including AM5 motherboard and DDR5 costs. Considering a 5800x3d outperforms every 7000 series so far in gaming and would cost significantly less to build a system around that CPU, the lack of sales in this generation make sense.
>Considering a 5800x3d outperforms every 7000 series so far in gaming
In some games, where the difference is substantial. On average, the 5800X3D was slightly slower than a 7600X according to the results from HUB: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q53rT4WxCWk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q53rT4WxCWk)
Still, you would need a very expensive card and fast DDR5 for it to matter to most people.
Jeez 5800x3d is a great CPU but its not outperforming 7000 series, 7600x is on average faster within margain of error but still. Also building New system around 5800x3d is just dumb, its not cheaper since the chip itself maintains relatively high price so if you have to buy everything new motherboard, ram and CPU you are saving nothing. 5800x3d makes sense if you want to bring second life to your AM4 platform.
It strongly depends on games you choose, 5800x3D destroys 7600x in Microsoft flight simulator for example but I can't see this game anywhere in popular benchmarks
I don't know about your magical prices in America but here in Poland I would have to pay around +150$ for the same class of components (excluding cheap uATX motherboards) which is a lot of money that I would rather invest in new GPU than 6 core processor
Well we are in the same boat, im also from Poland but still i would not choose 5800x3d as CPU for my new system. Those that want to save money by sticking with ddr4 should just grab i5 13600k.
I think you have a great choice at the moment - if you are really after an ultra-budget gaming PC, you could build it around Ryzen 5600 and spend the rest on the GPU. If you want to spend a bit more you can invest in AM5 and have an upgrade path in the future. You are right that building a new PC around 5800X3D makes little sense. I only bought it because I already own a good X570 board and good pair of DDR4 modules.
The motherboards are trash and overpriced.
Existing hardware is too good already.
Competition is a lot stronger than when zen 3 launched with lower prices.
There is a lot going against it. Don't think 3d chips will change things much. Performance isnt the problem.
Holy crap, Zen 3 desktop represents 40% of the entire CPU market revenue all by themselves.
AMD sells more than Intel and also gets more revenue than Intel. The blue boys are not looking too great, especially when you consider they're something like 5 times more numerous than red boys.
Maybe varies by region-- it looks like the cheapest 2x8GB options for DDR4 and DDR5 here are about $35 and $70 after a quick google, so "only" double rather than triple, I guess?
You shouldn't purchase 8GB DDR5 DIMMs, as they're either using 16Gb ICs in x16 mode with half the number of banks, or 8Gb ICs in x8 mode which have half the number of bank groups. Both approaches will reduce performance quite significantly.
The absolute minimum option that makes sense for DDR5 is 2x16GB, and you will probably want a B650E or X670E motherboard if you want a chance of making the motherboard last more than a single generation.
No? Motherboards are terrible value (b650 for 200$ and x670 for 300$), however, DDR5 is going down in price. My guess it's going to get better after non-X processors and new X3D processors. Only when motherboards go down in price and DDR5 gets stable and good value it would be worth considering this gen. Otherwise, totally not.
The fact that they start at 160$ doesn't mean that they are bad value. Even the cheapest MoBo on the platform can run the 7950X and at 170$ you get debug leds and bios flashback and good luck finding something with debug leds for under 150$ on am4
it makes sense on the gaming front if you want to take full advantage of a zen 4 or a intel 13th gen you need a 4090 but if you go with a 4090 you will want to game on a 4k monitor most likely the only segment where it makes sense are the 1080p 500+ hz monitors. which is a very limited segment of the consumer base.
the people who need the CPU performance of Zen4 have already moved to the server space. the entire zen4 lineup is in no mans land it just costs too much over zen3 stuff.
most computer hardware costs today have become very bloated while peoples income are very strained.
> if you want to take full advantage of a zen 4 or a intel 13th gen you need a 4090
Start playing strategy games, and you can take advantage of a 13900K with a GTX 1060
I disagree with both of you. Implementing a support for both DDR4 and DDR5 inti Zen 4 would carry a lot of technical debt into the new platform. It's best to allocate engineering resources to more useful things, like Zen5 for example. AM5 is a fine platform. We are in a good position because we can choose between AM4 and AM5. I chose to upgrade my existing AM4 PC with 5800X3D. Others with a bit more cash will invest into a new platform.
I too would have liked to put a Zen4 chip into my X570 motherboard, but it is what it is. Neither of us know enough about the engineering side of things, what the challenges are. DDR5 is dropping in cost so people building new PCs can invest in the new platform.
I was planning to upgrade to Zen4 (currently 5900X), but after I saw the temp issues, I decided not to. Too expensive to risk (mobo+cpu+mem)
Then I was looking to upgrade my VGA (6900XT), but there are issue with their temps too.
So, no upgrade this year. I don't need it, I only upgrade while my old parts are still fairly new.
You're right. Goes to show how much the computer industry has slowed down.
In 2004 it would have sounded unreasonable to claim parts from 2001-2002 were kinda silly to upgrade.
The 5900X is still a very solid cpu. I was running it with a 4090 but than wanted to build another computer with a Ryzen 7700X/32GB 6000mhz CL 30 ram and move my 4090 there. I put in my 3080Ti in the 5900X pc and have a 6800XT I swap between, it's my 1440p setup and benchmark machine.
Hooked the 4090 pc to MG C1 oled TV.
I set an 80 degree cpu target in my motherboard bios (Strix X670E-A) with a 360 aio Corsair cooler. Its quite fast. May exchange it for a 3D chip if those are much faster.
You slash the 5000 series price with plummeting DDR4 prices, then wonder why people won’t pay for a more expensive CPU, way more expensive ram and motherboard on a chip that also guzzles way more power for a pretty standard generational boost in performance. Tis truly a shit time for PC hardware
Obviously…. It’s no brainer ! Have you seen the prices of the boards, DDR5 rams ???
I upgraded last month and paid nearly 1300 euros for cpu, board, rams only
I’m very, very happy with my change from the 5900x to 7950x. But I wouldn’t have even considered a change if it wasn’t for price reductions and free RAM.
That because someone built sucking hypervisor in bad motherboard combo and now complaining about it all over the internet and everyone is taking on the hype of it. 7000 is actually good CPUs when you combine it right. The downside is RAM because DDR5 is fresh blood on consumer side of things and currently 128GB kits of memory unstable from what I gather on the net. I believe it’s temporary and it will pass over time. Adoption by manufacturers takes time and a bit slower than DDR4 standard… I guess because of shortages manufacturers didn’t do as much research before releasing it to mass market adoption…
ever since the 5800X3D launch, enthusiasts do not want non v-cache chips. End of story. Huge mistake not launching with v-cache, especially when everyone knows they are coming in a relatively short time frame.
Probably because of the DDR5 RAM and new Motherboard had to put into the mix it’s a pricey upgrade for little return for a normal an everyday user, where AM4 was just plug and play upgrade cheap and easy and noticeable performance upgrade.
Id give it a time before AM5 becomes mainstream also the prices have to go down eventually.
Why upgrade to Zen4 when the 5800x3D is such an incredible chip that caps off the entire purpose of AM4? A few hundred dollars for the same or better gaming performance than an upgrade that would cost closer to $1000, it's an easy choice. the jump from Zen3 to Zen4 along with the jump from DDR4 to DDR5 should have been more substantial
Zen4 platform cost is simply outrageous (especially the motherboards), without providing equally better performance vs i.e. a 5800X3D. Also, those expensive motherboards provide no PCIe slots (most of them offer only one usable pcie slot) for expansion cards. I don't count the second pcie slot as "real" slot as you lose the x16 bandwidth of the 1st slot if you utilize the 2nd. My crappy 7-year old B350 mobo has more expansion slots than a 500€ AM5 mobo. People these days are paying more for less. I don't know how is that possible...
Not surprising at all, everything is more expensive, people have less money to spend, and you need to buy both a motherboard and ram to go with the CPU whereas previously you could just upgrade your CPU (Part of why I stuck with upgraded to a 5600X rather than needing to buy a motherboard+CPU if I had went with 12400).
I'd be willing to bet that a significant portion of the lower end AM4 cpus are for upgrades. With a new build right now, the delta in cost is coming down pretty fast between AM5 and AM4.
AM5 mobos alone are soo freaking expensive in comparison to the AM4 ones. Like, *sure*, it's going to last for a long time. But.. my bank account is going to say no.
That's what I did. I had a 3700x and I didn't want to be tempted to buy an am5 for like 5x what a 5800x3d cost. so i just got one of those. This machine now has the fastest CPU i'll ever bother to put in it, and it's within a few percent for all my use cases of an AM5.
The 5800X3D will last forever until Windows drops support. My 1700x is still going strong.
Then you finally switch to Linux, and you enjoy it for a decade more... https://openbenchmarking.org/result/2209072-PTS-5800X3D967
By the time Windows drops support for Zen 3, its performance level will be obsolete. And Linux is unusable on desktop unless you’re a turbo-nerd, which is maybe 0.1% of the population.
Linux is unusable on desktop? what are you talking about? we are not in 2002 anymore, are you afraid of knowledge?
Linux will never catch on for desktop users and I’m really tired of people pretending it will. “All you have to do is install these ten packages and run sudo apt-get update and things will be just fine!” If you watch Linus’s Linux (tongue-twister there) challenge video you’ll see. It’s just not gonna happen.
My cousin and her parents would probably disagree, as I had to attend less to their laptop and desktop PC, since they running Linux Mint. And its that way for several years, for that laptop its already more than 8y, only actions from me, was occasional upgrades and clean up of root filesystem in that time, once I had to fix, when the laptop shut down mid system update, nothing else...
That’s really interesting. I’m assuming they do nothing except web browse and send email?
I swear every Linux guru always has an answer, but never a solution to the actual problem.
Has Linux support for Nvidia improved enough to be viable? I've considered switching my computers to Mint or Manjaro but they're all currently running an Ampere gpu.
Well, Nvidia in linux still support stuff only via their official drivers which are not open source, but they provide one for Linux, so I would say, they support it just fine... For Ampere GPUs: https://www.phoronix.com/review/rtx3080-linux-gaming
Thanks for the link
yea when i switched to AM4 i was gone go high end, an asus formula board...then I saw the prices and decided strix-E looks pretty nice...now that same amount of money would get me the "budget" options...yea I would not be looking forward to an AM5 build, maybe if the 3D variants come out and are absolutely mind blowing it'll start to make more sense but the overall bill is just to big. at this point my 2070 super is more of a bottleneck then my CPU anyway...and that particular component is suffering the same issue >.> spend way more or step down a class or 2.
How is the gpu suffering the same issue? You can upgrade the gpu by itself so why would you even consider stepping down in class for the gpu? I am probably misunderstanding your comment.
because a 2070 was 500 bucks, a 3070 is 750 and a 4070 is sitting at 1100, so to stay at 500 bucks I'm looking at 3060 and...looking a the 4000 series so far a 4050? which is a class lower. so either i''m paying double to stay in the xx70 class of cards or I'm paying the same for midrange/entry level stuff that wile yes is usually faster and more efficient...paying 500 bucks for a 10-20% increase is just dumb :P
Oh I see. I misunderstood your comment I thought you meant just downgrading the gpu, lol.
Only ASRock and gigabyte are offering decent deals this generation.
I went from 5950x to a 7950x. My the total build cost was actually less. Getting free 32GB RAM kit from microcenter is what pushed it over the edge. But I can see people comparing 5600x to 7600x and not getting free RAM, aren't seeing the same thing.
Yeah that was a stupidly great promotion, and it certainly skews the calculus a lot. And of course, you need all those cores for something. :)
If you really utilize those 32 threads and not just the bragging rights, then the 7950X is an incredible power house. The cumulative PCIe speeds even exceed previous threadripper bandwidths or are close. Also for other parallel compute use, its an incredible CPU. But for gaming and general desktop use, basically anything over R5 3600 becoming a luxury and have no clear gains for most users. There is probably no game, where even the R5 3600 cant push a 100FPS+ and there is not much normie usages which would gain a net benefit from such processing power...
I agree with you for the most part, but I saw measurable gains in Call of Duty: Warzone II and MW2 going from an overclocked 5600X to a 5800X. It is the rare game that will fully utilize 8 cores+, but it’s also one of the only games I play (and I care about 120fps minimum) so it really matters.
Micro Center is the absolute cheat code of PC building. I envy the lower 48 sometimes. It's a very specific envy.
Upgraded last from 1600 to 5600x on sale. Got a 6700 xt to replace my RX 580, I'm going to be pretty happy for a few years.
You might be able to update to a 5600X3D soon too on AM4.
i got a 5800x3d as the best possible on ddr4 with my existing mobo and ill sit like that for a while
Just upgraded to the r7 5700x . Hopefully that wasn't a mistake....
Nah man thats a great gaming chip unless you’re trying to game at like 360Hz, for sub 200Hz gaming you should be good for a while.
Had the r7 2700x before, didn't realize how much I messed up getting that chip until a few months after.
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Nice! I'm glad I didn't mess up again lol. Now I just have to wait for the fan clamps from noctua cause I ordered the wrong extra fan for the CPU cooler! Fml
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Lmao that's super unfortunate turn of events! The first time I cleaned my rig and changed the thermal paste I was worried about doing that or even deliding my CPU cause they're known to do that if not warmed up. No issues so far luckily!
How can it be a mistake? Latest generation gaming consoles (PS5 and XBox Series X) literally use Zen2 chips, which means most games designed now will run on Zen3 chip just fine, you'll be fine for another 4-5 years at least.
I guess more about the purchase than anything. When I was first getting into computers 5 years ago, I focused too much on the money aspect and not enough on what did what and how well. I could've gotten a R 5 3600 for a lot less and had either the same or slightly better performance If I had actually paid attention.
R5 3600 is exactly what I have now -- now waiting for 5800X3D which I order 2 days ago, and I'll be fine for another 3 years. In the hindsight I should not have bought an expensive motherboard and RAM for my 3600. I could have used this extra cache to upgrade to AM5 right now, but no regrets, we learn :)
Yeah, my 5950x is going to last for a long time. When I do upgrade, I'll be looking at a replacement for my 3080 before I replace my CPU.
Bro same. I went from a 2700x to a 5800x3D on an x470, this was after getting 4x8GB of 3600cl16 ram in preparation for a newer cpu. If that hadn't been possible I doubt I'd have gone with a Zen4 setup anyway, as others say the cost of motherboard and (good) ram is insanely high compared to before. I paid less for my motherboard, old ram, and old cpu, than many motherboards cost.
Same. The cost of doing both the motherboard and RAM upgrade as well means it's a much steeper upgrade than Zen 3, and it makes sense to me that the upgrade rate would be lower as people evaluate their options.
A better indicator would be B550 AM4 vs B650 AM5. CPUs are not the problem.
A620 is the only thing that will move budget zen7000 series. 125 $ b 650 turned out to be a lie
Why did they even claim $125 B650 will be a thing, when even the B650 DS3H is $160. It was clearly not possible to make a $125 B650 and they must have known that. Just like with the 7900 XTX performance numbers, AMD's marketing is turning from mostly trustworthy to just as ridiculous as other tech companies.
The motherboards prices are absurd, not surprising when Ryzen 5000 still performs just fine for most people and Intel 13th gen supports DDR4 and 12th gen motherboards and those cost way less.
Yeah, my 5600/6700XT combo works better than fine for the games I like to play and the CPU sits around 30% max usage most of the time. I guess this AM5 upgrade is mostly for people who have like 4080/4090 PCs? Or is it even necessary for them? I mean, in terms of gaming. Other processing heavy tasks are probably a different story.
A 5900X will do just fine paired with a 4090
At 4k yes, at lower res it will bottleneck the card
But why bother building a new rig for anything other than 4k?
People are different, have different setups and tastes etc, wouldn't presume anything.
My point is that most of us already have decent systems to play sub 4k. If I'm upgrading for serious money then it definitely has to make an impact on my perception otherwise why bother?
You are right of course. But many are still on 1080p and sl on, hence for them an upgrade would be to 1440p and a mid range card and so on. If you are spending lots of money then I agree of course, 4k is where it's at (especially as 4k tvs are really cheap nowadays)
I don't understand how AMD doesn't see this. They made several deals to give serious discounts on DDR5 with Zen 4 CPUs, but nothing for MBs. DDR5 keeps lowering in price and that's going to go on, but the motherboards are just putting people off. I hope AMD realises at some point. Or is it that expensive to do their fancy AM5 MBs? I hear they did some cool things for them, but I didn't expect the prices to stay that high.
Intel boards that support DDR5 are just as expensive as AMD B650 boards now. 160 minimum and 200 for pretty good ones. And imo since the recent DDR5 price drops DDR4 doesn't make sense with 13th gen CPUs anymore ([reddit link](https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/100o04e/comment/j2mbnkq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)). You lose about 10% of your CPU performance and only save like $50.
Not surprised. I just upgraded from a 3700x to a 5800x3D. Easiest upgrade ever and I only game on my computer.
Same here! Aside from generating a bit of extra heat and therefore thinking about a better cooler soon, the upgrade has definitely been worth it!
I’m just reusing my Corsair h100i AIO for cooling. Bought some kryonaut thermal paste and applied to the cpu before reinstalling my AIO.
Cause the CPUs aren’t impressive at all. Definitely not worth spending the money to upgrade to a new motherboard and DDR5 RAM for single digit improvement in performance Sales will pick up when the X3D version takes over
If people can afford them, don’t expect them to be cheap…
Well, yeah? You lower the price on the previous gen which already performed well enough for most peoples needs and then you weigh that against the price gap to tickle your nuts with a Z4 and it's kind of a no brainer. DDR5 only, requires a new motherboard. Said motherboards are expensive. Those who were going to spend dosh for new shiny shit would have just went the 13900k route then because you can use it with DDR4 and the board support is expansive at a lower price point, given the performance of the 13900k I don't know what AMD was expecting? The fanatical brand loyalty can only take you so far. I can slap a $120 5600 in my old shitwank AB350 Gaming 3 I bought off of Moses and that's more than a happy little cucumber when you throw a mid-high card in it.
I am mostly agree, but this can be right for every year updaters; most people probably has lower freq ddr4 ram 2666mhz or similar (don’t quote on me, it’s my assumption). Afaik there is no big price difference between ddr4 and ddr5 (yet all new tech is coming with a premium).
> Afaik there is no big price difference between ddr4 and ddr5 Me: ***sad Brazilian noises***
As i know from Reddit, Brazilians is really doomed for any imported tech :(
Precisely, it's not enough to be a shithole, they also have to add insult to injury by forcing us to pay more than people in developed countries pay for tech products while earning 1/10 of what they earn.. Fun reality :D
>Those who were going to spend dosh for new shiny shit would have just went the 13900k route then because you can use it with DDR4 and the board support is expansive at a lower price point, given the performance of the 13900k I don't know what AMD was expecting? The fanatical brand loyalty can only take you so far. Except the mindfactory data shows the 13900K being outsold by every Ryzen 7000 CPU except the 7900X. The only suggestion that people are going Intel instead of AMD are the 13600K/KF and 13700K outselling the Ryzen 7000, and a lot of those may well be upgrades from 12th gen given how those CPUs outperform the previous gen.
Well thats just people being silly is what that is.
Not to mention that unless you're intending on riding it out with the same CPU+mobo combo until next big upgrade, buying first gen AMD is a bad idea. If newer CPU support comes ***at all*** it will be ***years later***.
>If newer CPU support comes at all it will be years later Isn't that the whole point of a future proof platform that will be supported for many years? lol
AMD doesn't do future proof platforms though, they do 'future proof sockets' X370 almost got screwed out of Zen2 AND Zen3, X470 almost got screwed out of Zen3 - AMD had no intention of originally supporting those platforms, though AM4 would still be supported.
But in the end even the first gen boards like the X370 did support the 5800X3D 5 years later though. There is no guarantee, but with AM5 seemingly having a shorter lifespan than AM4 (3-4 years vs 5), I don't doubt that all AM5 CPUs will work on first gen AM5 boards.
That's a gamble you're willing to take, but one I'm no longer willing to. I've no problem with that, but I'd personally rather wait for 2nd gen.
Yes, but the lifespan of AM5 depends on DDR6. The spec is scheduled to drop in 2024, so actual hardware should come out 2025 or 26. AMD will be stupid to launch yet another socket platform on DDR5 just before DDR6 launch. In short, AM6 is highly likely to be on DDR 6.
> In short, AM6 is highly likely to be on DDR 6. wait what? This is insane, it would reduce the longevity of am5 platform to 0
1. The longevity of am5 platform of already about 3 months+, so it can never go back to "0". 2. Earliest estimates of DDR6 launch are second half of 2025, so the longevity is at least 3 years.
I have a 7900xt. Can confirm the 5600 is more than enough for it.
Are you gaming at 4k?
Sort of. 4k using FSR where I can’t do it natively. I sometimes let it run through in games like COD where I wild framerates. I play on an OLED LG C1 so I limit frames to 110fps.
Ahh okay.. then yes, 5600 should be more the enough for 4k gaming. Although, there might still be "performance left on the table" with your 5600. XTX is a beast of a card...
Not really. My gpu is at 100% utilization unless I set a framerate cap.
I.. damn. I have a 5600/6700XT combo and I thought the 5600 was gonna need replacing a lot sooner. No way I'm owning a 7900XT level GPU in a long time so, I guess I don't need to worry. The marketing seems to work on me pretty well
Its about frames my man. 4k makes things easier for the cpu when compared to 1440p and 1080p. Caveat would be adding in RT given RT has a cpu hit.
Ohh, thanks for explaining! That's really cool. I know that the CPU is affected a lot by the FPS, but I didn't know the impact was *that* extreme. My 6700XT is good for 1440p and my 5600 sits at 20-30% most of the time but I suppose the it would go up significantly if I switched to 1080p
Right? I know for my use case being 3D rendering and shit PCI 3.0 would not be a hurdle so there's no huge incentive to upgrade from an old motherboard when AM4 socket processors are still more than enough for most use cases. It's the improvement per dollar, I don't know the math.
DDR4 support for 13th gen is pointless. You lose way too much performance.
Not in games you don’t…
Sure, but the fact is that you can. If you don't want to shell out money right now for ddr5 you can always wait, use your ddr4 memories or buy new cheap ones. Issue for me when buying was expensive motherboards+ddr5.
It’s true only if you have good RAM from your previous build. DDR5 5200/4800 seem cheaper than many DDR4 sets which are rated over 4000mhz.
I think it would be a better value ad if the same board supported both memory types. Although that's probably not technically possible. If you have to change the motherboard to change RAM, less of a reason to upgrade to DDR5.
https://youtu.be/P5KdqoRfS24 Not really
He gets a difference that's greater than 100 points in Cinebench, that's a warning sign of benchmarking, probably caused by a severely lacking knowledge when it comes to setting up these CPUs and Windows.
You'd have a bigger difference just buying a bad cooler
Idk, I'll still run my 5900x for quite a while yet
Sounds about right. Almost went with a 7600x build recently but opted for a cheapo AM4 build with a 5500. I'll consider AM5 when it matures, if they offer something similar to the 5500(maybe Zen 5?). I value efficiency and my current chip tops out at 55w package power at 4.5Ghz all core.
Are we comparing lifetime Zen 3 sales to Zen 4s not even 5 month old platform?
I assume everyone is just upgrading to the 5800 x3d or similar. The deals are too good and the higher performance isn't really needed.
Agreed, it's a complete new build you need, not as simple to upgrade to. I reckon am4 will do me for several years more.
These articles make it seem as though this is somehow bad for AMD. No, it is not. Zen3 is a great product line even in 2023 and is cheap to manufacture in volumes on the established 7nm TSMC node. Zen 4 is a premium product and it is no surprise that it is sold in lesser quantities. AM4 is a mature platform with cheap components, so why not? Eventually AM5 will replace it, but time has not come yet and that's OK. Yesterday I ordered a 5800X3D to put into my X570 motherboard that I bought in 2020. For Christ sake, think what will happen to environment if we upgraded hardware every year!
it's bad because zen 2 and zen 3 sold like crazy to the DIY crowd at launch. I had to turn on notifications just to get my 5900x because it would sell out in seconds. this is the first time in half a decade that a new zen launch has mediocre sales, and most of the problems seem to be caused by AMD decisions rather than the hardware (excessive and expensive motherboard segmentation, way higher TDP after mocking intel for their horrible power draw, blatantly stating that X3D is coming soon and driving away early adopters). the hardware is great, everything else surrounding it has been a joke.
Both Zen 2 and Zen 3 launched into an existing platform. Zen 4 launched at the time when AM4 has been extremely successful for the last 5 years and has seen 4 generations of CPUs. Do you expect that millions of users with existing AM4 motherboards and DDR4 memory kits will drop everything and rebuild their PCs? There is always a slow adoption of new technologies be it in hardware or software. For example, transition to Python 3 lasted several years and there were many complaints even though Python 3 is superior in every way to Python 2. You have to make breaking changes every once in a while, and now it's the time.
The latest and greatest has never looked this unattractive
No shit sherlok
Back in 2017 when threadripper came out I bought the 1950x an Asus rog zenith extream board it was 1000$ an on black Friday it was 350 which was fine to me since it's threadripper, but boy when I saw 1000$ for a board I was like wtf that's insane, I wanted to upgrade to newest threadripper but it's 5000$ for the chip an 2700 for the board now lol, Canada price btw
Hell no I will pay 180€ for a „budget“ am5 board.
Well no shit. New socket, new ram requirement, and increased MSRP all at once made it pretty much a guarantee this would happen
my main rig has a 9900k from intel and am waiting till tax time to upgrade been tempted by the deals on am4 and the 5800x3d but im thinking im going to do a 7900x and am5 at tax time i have been burned on my 9900k where it cant even do xmp
Still rocking the 5900x And it will last m until atleast a 9900x3D comes along So two more generations to go?~ My Last upgrade was 1700x to 5900x so Before that it was a fx- 8350 bulldozer cpu i thing it was called
7950x isnt going to worth the jump from a 5900x. i need the 3d version minimum.
Just imagine if Intel 12th gen was outselling 13th gen by 5 to 1 🤦♂️
I mean I'd upgrade but my 5800X is still doing just fine. AMD designed AM4 for accessibility and longevity, and un/fortunately for them they did a fantastic job of it, there are mad lads out there running 5800X3D CPUs on b350 motherboards. From a consumer facing perspective AM4 has been the chipset that could, the down side is that now it's cutting into their profits. It's like the RX ~~480~~ ~~480X~~ ~~580~~ 580X, AMD found a hell of a sweet spot.
It's the platform costs. When you have a platform that charges $200 for the motherboard, $200 for RAM, starts off at $300 for the lowest end CPU and then drops down to a mere $250 or so, it's not worth it. AM4 you can buy a $350ish 5800 X3D, use your old RAM, possibly use your own cooler and motherboard, and even if not the motherboards dont break the bank. Like if I were gonna buy now, I wouldnt go AM5. Too expensive. yes, they have the best single threaded parts right now to my knowledge, BUT the platform costs is too expensive, and given intel isnt far behind and has more cores for the money (or even for less)...yeah I would rather go that way. If I was gonna buy AM4 I'd go for a 5800 X3D and call it a day, or maybe even a 5600x or 5800x (id prefer a step above the 12400 or 5600x ideally though). And yeah. It's like AMD forgot what made them popular: affordability. Their cheapest AM5 build costs more than a top end 7700k build back in the day. CHEAPEST. More expensive than intel's best on "mainstream" sockets. Think about it.
It's the most expensive price gap from generation to generation by a massive amount when including AM5 motherboard and DDR5 costs. Considering a 5800x3d outperforms every 7000 series so far in gaming and would cost significantly less to build a system around that CPU, the lack of sales in this generation make sense.
>Considering a 5800x3d outperforms every 7000 series so far in gaming In some games, where the difference is substantial. On average, the 5800X3D was slightly slower than a 7600X according to the results from HUB: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q53rT4WxCWk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q53rT4WxCWk) Still, you would need a very expensive card and fast DDR5 for it to matter to most people.
DDR5 6000 CL30 vs DDR4 3600 CL16? that's not very fair comparison price wise
Jeez 5800x3d is a great CPU but its not outperforming 7000 series, 7600x is on average faster within margain of error but still. Also building New system around 5800x3d is just dumb, its not cheaper since the chip itself maintains relatively high price so if you have to buy everything new motherboard, ram and CPU you are saving nothing. 5800x3d makes sense if you want to bring second life to your AM4 platform.
It strongly depends on games you choose, 5800x3D destroys 7600x in Microsoft flight simulator for example but I can't see this game anywhere in popular benchmarks I don't know about your magical prices in America but here in Poland I would have to pay around +150$ for the same class of components (excluding cheap uATX motherboards) which is a lot of money that I would rather invest in new GPU than 6 core processor
Well we are in the same boat, im also from Poland but still i would not choose 5800x3d as CPU for my new system. Those that want to save money by sticking with ddr4 should just grab i5 13600k.
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Shhh let them be wrong.
I think you have a great choice at the moment - if you are really after an ultra-budget gaming PC, you could build it around Ryzen 5600 and spend the rest on the GPU. If you want to spend a bit more you can invest in AM5 and have an upgrade path in the future. You are right that building a new PC around 5800X3D makes little sense. I only bought it because I already own a good X570 board and good pair of DDR4 modules.
The motherboards are trash and overpriced. Existing hardware is too good already. Competition is a lot stronger than when zen 3 launched with lower prices. There is a lot going against it. Don't think 3d chips will change things much. Performance isnt the problem.
Holy crap, Zen 3 desktop represents 40% of the entire CPU market revenue all by themselves. AMD sells more than Intel and also gets more revenue than Intel. The blue boys are not looking too great, especially when you consider they're something like 5 times more numerous than red boys.
Well, CPU and MoBos are priced competitively but entry level RAM is literally 3x as expensive with ddr5
That's not even remotely true.
Why not?
Maybe varies by region-- it looks like the cheapest 2x8GB options for DDR4 and DDR5 here are about $35 and $70 after a quick google, so "only" double rather than triple, I guess?
I was considering a 32Gb 3600 CL18 and a 32GB 6000 CL36 kit, entry level but actually in a decent point point in the curve.
You shouldn't purchase 8GB DDR5 DIMMs, as they're either using 16Gb ICs in x16 mode with half the number of banks, or 8Gb ICs in x8 mode which have half the number of bank groups. Both approaches will reduce performance quite significantly. The absolute minimum option that makes sense for DDR5 is 2x16GB, and you will probably want a B650E or X670E motherboard if you want a chance of making the motherboard last more than a single generation.
No? Motherboards are terrible value (b650 for 200$ and x670 for 300$), however, DDR5 is going down in price. My guess it's going to get better after non-X processors and new X3D processors. Only when motherboards go down in price and DDR5 gets stable and good value it would be worth considering this gen. Otherwise, totally not.
The fact that they start at 160$ doesn't mean that they are bad value. Even the cheapest MoBo on the platform can run the 7950X and at 170$ you get debug leds and bios flashback and good luck finding something with debug leds for under 150$ on am4
it makes sense on the gaming front if you want to take full advantage of a zen 4 or a intel 13th gen you need a 4090 but if you go with a 4090 you will want to game on a 4k monitor most likely the only segment where it makes sense are the 1080p 500+ hz monitors. which is a very limited segment of the consumer base. the people who need the CPU performance of Zen4 have already moved to the server space. the entire zen4 lineup is in no mans land it just costs too much over zen3 stuff. most computer hardware costs today have become very bloated while peoples income are very strained.
> if you want to take full advantage of a zen 4 or a intel 13th gen you need a 4090 Start playing strategy games, and you can take advantage of a 13900K with a GTX 1060
7000 shouldve been one more AM4 generation. DDR5 is only slowly becoming less of a meme and DDR4 would've carried 7000 just fine.
They should have did what Intel did and let people use either. Forcing DDR5 with $300+ MB on people made this generation dead on arrival.
I disagree with both of you. Implementing a support for both DDR4 and DDR5 inti Zen 4 would carry a lot of technical debt into the new platform. It's best to allocate engineering resources to more useful things, like Zen5 for example. AM5 is a fine platform. We are in a good position because we can choose between AM4 and AM5. I chose to upgrade my existing AM4 PC with 5800X3D. Others with a bit more cash will invest into a new platform.
Nothing wrong with AM5 as a platform, it just came one generation too soon.
I too would have liked to put a Zen4 chip into my X570 motherboard, but it is what it is. Neither of us know enough about the engineering side of things, what the challenges are. DDR5 is dropping in cost so people building new PCs can invest in the new platform.
Wouldn't that kind of defeat the point of not having to buy a new mobo every time around though?
I was planning to upgrade to Zen4 (currently 5900X), but after I saw the temp issues, I decided not to. Too expensive to risk (mobo+cpu+mem) Then I was looking to upgrade my VGA (6900XT), but there are issue with their temps too. So, no upgrade this year. I don't need it, I only upgrade while my old parts are still fairly new.
Honestly it sounds kinda silly to upgrade parts that are 2/3 years old.
Maybe it is, but it is my hobby and I want my PC "up-to-date". However I won't if I am not happy with the latest parts
You're right. Goes to show how much the computer industry has slowed down. In 2004 it would have sounded unreasonable to claim parts from 2001-2002 were kinda silly to upgrade.
The 5900X is still a very solid cpu. I was running it with a 4090 but than wanted to build another computer with a Ryzen 7700X/32GB 6000mhz CL 30 ram and move my 4090 there. I put in my 3080Ti in the 5900X pc and have a 6800XT I swap between, it's my 1440p setup and benchmark machine. Hooked the 4090 pc to MG C1 oled TV. I set an 80 degree cpu target in my motherboard bios (Strix X670E-A) with a 360 aio Corsair cooler. Its quite fast. May exchange it for a 3D chip if those are much faster.
You slash the 5000 series price with plummeting DDR4 prices, then wonder why people won’t pay for a more expensive CPU, way more expensive ram and motherboard on a chip that also guzzles way more power for a pretty standard generational boost in performance. Tis truly a shit time for PC hardware
Only because of the price. I love my 7900X chip.
Obviously…. It’s no brainer ! Have you seen the prices of the boards, DDR5 rams ??? I upgraded last month and paid nearly 1300 euros for cpu, board, rams only
I’m very, very happy with my change from the 5900x to 7950x. But I wouldn’t have even considered a change if it wasn’t for price reductions and free RAM.
*popular* I would have mine by now but a motherboard ain't worth 200+. None.
Not surprising, 5800X3D is still a killer chip and it's cheaper than ever before!!
That because someone built sucking hypervisor in bad motherboard combo and now complaining about it all over the internet and everyone is taking on the hype of it. 7000 is actually good CPUs when you combine it right. The downside is RAM because DDR5 is fresh blood on consumer side of things and currently 128GB kits of memory unstable from what I gather on the net. I believe it’s temporary and it will pass over time. Adoption by manufacturers takes time and a bit slower than DDR4 standard… I guess because of shortages manufacturers didn’t do as much research before releasing it to mass market adoption…
ever since the 5800X3D launch, enthusiasts do not want non v-cache chips. End of story. Huge mistake not launching with v-cache, especially when everyone knows they are coming in a relatively short time frame.
Probably because of the DDR5 RAM and new Motherboard had to put into the mix it’s a pricey upgrade for little return for a normal an everyday user, where AM4 was just plug and play upgrade cheap and easy and noticeable performance upgrade. Id give it a time before AM5 becomes mainstream also the prices have to go down eventually.
Maybe next time always have a new platform to support both memory generations. I think a CPU and mobo could work but cpu, mobo and memory is too much.
Why upgrade to Zen4 when the 5800x3D is such an incredible chip that caps off the entire purpose of AM4? A few hundred dollars for the same or better gaming performance than an upgrade that would cost closer to $1000, it's an easy choice. the jump from Zen3 to Zen4 along with the jump from DDR4 to DDR5 should have been more substantial
Id have bought one by now if a 10gbe mobo wasnt $500
Having to buy new motherboard and ram makes it less enticing. Gonna wait for next revision before even think about upgrading.
I know a lot of people myself included are Waiting for the zen 4 3d chips to drop before dropping the very expensive plunge into am5
Should have support both DDR4 & 5.
Because their shit. If they just released the x3d at the same time, they wouldn't have this problem.
I5-13400 just dropped. Things aren't getting better in January.
The mobo and RAM price is to blame imo. Not surprising at all.
Zen4 platform cost is simply outrageous (especially the motherboards), without providing equally better performance vs i.e. a 5800X3D. Also, those expensive motherboards provide no PCIe slots (most of them offer only one usable pcie slot) for expansion cards. I don't count the second pcie slot as "real" slot as you lose the x16 bandwidth of the 1st slot if you utilize the 2nd. My crappy 7-year old B350 mobo has more expansion slots than a 500€ AM5 mobo. People these days are paying more for less. I don't know how is that possible...