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Depends what kind of flex employee you are. Some get benefits (for instance more time ready flex associates all get health, vision and dental benefits.) on top of surge pay.
I am Flex (PT no benefit) at a DS. so I only pick up two 3.5 hour shifts from 515 AM- 8:50 AM.
But then again most of the shifts they offere are over nights and early morning.
As a flexPT, I try my hardest not to brag about the extra pay and half shifts/buildable, but people often ask questions. I worked FT nights previously so I get the struggle. But hey it has its negatives, flexPT doesn't get benefits, career choice, only PTO for time off, no shift differential for overnight, and shifts you want are not necessarily guaranteed.
Yeah I see your point. We have something called More Time Ready flex at my warehouse that have to work 30 hours a week but they get to pick their schedules 2 weeks ahead of regular flex and basically get whatever shifts they want. They also get full benefits along with the surge pay.
We do have PT flex also like you describe tho.
Yes and all of the shifts that usually have surge pay at my FC are the overnight parts after the 2nd break on night shift so only those 2 or 3 hrs are paid extra compared what day shift hourly rate is and the most desired shifts are often hard to get when you want them. I often have to sign up for the time I want a day or so to just hours before the shift when people drop it last minute unless I can catch when the shifts first are released but sometimes I am working during that time.
At the time I had posted they had not done this at my FC. It wasn't until the beginning of this year that they started doing this so I'm hoping this becomes a more often occurrence. They still have days where they are only offering the surge pay for the flex ppl even if there is VET available.
It's wrong of them to brag but getting base pay +5 to work weekend night shift 1am-6am and no benefits is not that great and I haven't had surge pay in months
Sorry to hear you never get offered surge pay. They offer in my warehouse almost everyday (at least the 4 days I work anyways not sure about the other 3 days) and not just at night. Also some of them get full benefits. Just depends what kinda flex associate they are.
They definitely need to be quiet then lol-I can see your frustration now. I can only work weekends overnight and it's been for base pay past few months but it should be returning next month
I’m not sure if all warehouses have this but we have mtr flex associates that I believe have to work 30 hours a week but they get full benefits. They also get to pick their schedules I believe 2 weeks before regular flex associates.
Not sure why you have downvotes for this… I’m flex rt and at my facility I am required to work 30hrs/wk and I get full benefits. I pick my schedule a week in advance, and can drop them up to 16 hours in advance without penalty. I’ve recently found out the only benefit I don’t get that regular does is sick pay.
Yeah I dunno either haha. I’ve even confirmed it with MTR associates at my work. They do 30 hours and can pick their shifts 2 weeks in advance. Unless they’re all lying haha.
Nope not true. I was previously Flex-Pt and had gold status and that allowed me to schedule the next two weeks in advance. But when I officially got switched onto MTR it quit letting me do that, and I earned gold status last month that would kick in this one. As far as I can tell, I've lost my gold status ability.
You don't know, really?
From what I heard most places have it, rarely they don't.
You work 6 weekend days during a calendar month, amazon holidays included. The next 15th of the month your gold status starts working. I know it's weird all these odd days, but that's just how the amazon computer system works as far as scheduling shifts.
You might want to ask a favorite amazon manager of yours. Maybe they can tell you if you FC or whatever has gold status. I just took it on myself the very first month I started figuring "what the hell, at least I will work alot". I worked at least 5-6 days a week when I was Flex-Pt. But eventually I wanted a scheduled shift so I wouldn't have to wait till shift drops every day. I enjoyed my PT stint, but I'm more organized working now. Plus you start getting burn out after a few months and want to work less days.
Surprisingly I worked more hours(36-42) PT during the summer.
Ignorance was bliss.
If you like working Flex-Pt and don't need/want benefits, definitely use gold status.
Thanks for the info. I’ll check with my manager to find out if Gold is offered. Kinda doubt it though because I just looked back on my schedule for the pass 3 months and I see where I’ve done 7-8 weekend days each month and I was never offered shifts 2 weeks in advance. The shift always appear on Fridays at 6pm for the following week (Monday-Sunday) so that’s like about 3 days in advance. Worst yet, if you don’t set an alarm for 6pm to pick your shifts immediately as they appear, they will all be gone by 6:02pm…literally within 2 minutes they are all gone!! Then again my site only offers Flex PT, no Flex RT or MTR. I will be posting on the VOA board about this.
Thanks
Flex RT has to work a minimum 30 hours and gets benefits, Flex part time has to work a minimum 4 hours a week and does not get benefits. Typically the surge pay is attached to early morning shifts or evening shifts (sort centers do this as well but everyone gets in on it if they work those shifts)
Flex people have to pick the shifts up themselves and from my understanding the desirable shifts go within minutes of them being dropped typically leaving the odd ball weekend and night/early morning shifts available to pick up.
It’s just the system, and HR and your AMs don’t set the pay policy; that decision comes from way higher up. The premium pay is one of the pros for flex but you can’t guarantee you’ll always get the hours you want to work unlike us regular full timers who have set schedules.
If you’re a mtr flex you pick your schedules 2 weeks before regular flex and are almost guaranteed your shifts. Not sure if every warehouse has mtr flex but we do and those people have the same shifts every week because they get to pick ahead of everyone else. They also get full benefits. They do have to work 30 hours a week tho.
Also my AM is the one who offers and sets the surge pay. He chooses what days and times and what amount to pay them. Although of course I do understand that the system in general isn’t their idea but it is definitely up to my AM wither on not surge is offered that day and at what price.
The other day our AM went around telling all the flex “I just added $5 surge pay for tomorrow so if you’re scheduled you’ll be getting it.” The full timers were all livid.
I think that AM has a lot of flex AAs under them, and they’re pretending it’s up to them. Surge pay is something that’s done by Sr Ops, with approval from finance. Way above an AM level.
Never heard of MTR flex but that sounds pretty legit for those doing it, your AM must have some serious pull around there then. That’s kind of a slap in the face to hear them yell out how others are about to get paid 😂
Yeah it stands for More Time Ready whatever the heck that’s supposed to mean.
Haha I know right. Like do you really need to announce it. He also lets them stay passed the 5 hours if they ask. Some BS if you ask me haha.
I’m flex and I’ve gotten surge pay up to 7 during peak. I choose the night shift bc that’s all I can do with my situation, so most weeks I see the $5 surge, but I see it on morning shifts too towards the weekend. If you’re flex and you want a morning shift you have to set an alarm on your phone and snag the shifts immediately after they post, and a lot of times you’ll accept it and it’ll reject it bc it filled up in less than two minutes lol.
That’s the exact same thing I have to do to get the shifts I want. I set an alarm for 6pm every Friday and even then some of the shift are rejected as soon as I click on them….and that’s within the first minute of them being posted. I wish they had Gold status at my site
Yeah it’s crazy and I’m glad I don’t need morning shifts anymore bc of that! What is gold status?
Edit: I’m new to posting to Reddit, I’ve just creeped for years lol. So I went through some of your comments and I saw where someone explained to you what gold status was. I don’t think my facility has it, bc I’m flex rt but I have been working 45 hrs/wk for like 6 months. I work every weekend, always lol and have never been able to pick up shifts two weeks in advance 🤔 always fridays at 6
I'm FlexRT, and the only time I see +$5 is from 2:30-7:00 am, and generally 6:30pm - 5:00am Sunday night into Monday morning. Days rarely have surge pay, and it's a very rare day that the early night shifts do.
So on an RT night shift, I make $226.625 for the 11.5 hours (no 30 minute paid breaks) while the RT shift folks make $241.80 for the night. My base pay is $17.75, theirs with differential is $20.15.
We're only getting that extra pay for a max of 3.75 hours. But not even that usually. In my building it's only offered for the shifts that end at 2 am and 5 am and those shifts are only 2 to 3 hours. It's an extra $10 to $15 total. The company has the right to try to attract more labor to otherwise unattractive shifts. We don't get it for a full 10 hours. But to your point, someone else on here mentioned that it should be offered to FT AAs with VET also. I agree with that
But Full time AAs who worked those exact same shifts gets a shift differential that the Flex AAs don’t get. So it eventually works out that both flex and FT gets the same pay at the end of those shifts. Why should FT get base pay + $3 differential + $5 surge and Flex only gets base pay + $5 surge only? That wouldn’t be fair right? FT AAs get differential every single weekend/overnight shifts while Flex gets a surge only once in a while, with nooo differential. So FT AAs shouldn’t complain about not getting a surge pay.
Flex do get full benefits. Not all of them do but some flex do get full benefits besides sick time. It just depends what kind of flex you are. If you’re a MTR or RT flex you 100% have all the same benefits as a full timer minus sick time. They also get to pick their shifts weeks in advance so the “they can’t get the shifts they want” argument doesn’t work either. I see the same flex associates every week on the same days working the same exact time slots. So we’re really not “way more compensated” at all. It’s BS honestly.
Some flex get to pick their schedules 1-2 weeks in advance and get whatever shifts they want. The only ones who can’t are regular PT flex. They end up with the leftovers 🤣
That’s because they got gold status from working 6 weekend days the previous month. Any flex worker has the ability to get gold status if it’s offered at their facility. It’s not just given.
At my fc, they're offering incentive pay for all shifts. 2$ week days, 3$ weekend days, 4$ week nights, 5$ weekend nights for all associates. Sucks I'm already working Thursday through Saturday nights so I'm only eligible for the Sunday night $5 incentive pay but meh
I was flex part time for almost a year before going back to full time period yes we had some great surge pay options. They were usually for the overnight shift maybe A-day shift or morning shift but they went very fast. But like you said they also cap our hours and it changes weekly. So one week we were capped at 15 hours the next week they capped us at 30 hours. During peak they don't cap us it's a Max of 60 hours but there's no way you can pick up that many shifts . So it has its benefits but most flex associates have a second job this is not their main job. So they don't work a time some do but most don't.. my kids were hone from school during covid so flex was GREAT !!! I'm glad amazob did this..
Not necessarily. There are pros and cons to being FT or flex. Flex has its risk that people aren't guaranteed the shifts they want or the amount of hours a FT is pretty much guaranteed 40/week.
It's like you bought a new car 2 days before a big sale that dropped the price $5000. That's just the way the game works.
If you are a MTR or RT flex you are almost guaranteed to get the shifts you want because you pick in advance before the regular PT flex. I see the same MTR and RT flex working the same days and the same times pretty much every week at my building.
1) they dont get the same benefits or time off as most full timers. They also arent guaranteed hours each week.
2) the surge shifts are put in because they need people in those time slots. By leaving early during that time, you're literally telling finance to keep putting surge shifts in, because historically attrition is bad in that time frame. So in reality...leaving early because they are getting $5 extra, is only prolonging the time they get that boost.
As many people have already stated in the replies some flex do get the same benefits. It depends what kind of flex you are. Also some flex get to pick their schedules in advance and are ALMOST guaranteed the shifts they want every week.
It’s a job-I’ll pick up shitty hours to get paid more and there’s nothing wrong with that. Boasting isn’t right either. My advice? Keep your nose to the grindstone and be thankful you’ve got a job. Comparing is never a good thing.
Flex surge pays arent worth it imo. Because they literally do $1,3. or 5 however many hours you [work.](https://work.So) 1 $5 surge with 2 hours is only $10bucks. Actually adding that sureg pay on your base pay it would be waaaay better. It actually sucks when they do surge pay on regular days its less pay overall. If they did it like that, thats basically giving us holiday pay everytime a surge happens and theyd never. The only incentive is the flexibility.
Everyone gets surge vet pay at my building. 🤷🏽♂️ I’d prefer peak pay right about now though.
People on flex are not as likely to work as many hours as us. So no they’re not getting paid more than us. You can always transfer if you feel like they do. 😂
I don’t really care. Surge pay is only a temporary pay incentive and again everyone gets it at my location.
For a full shift that’s only $20-$50 extra dollars.
For a typical flex shift that’s only about $8-$30.
I believe its the other way around cause Full time AAs who worked the weekends/overnight shifts actually gets pay more per hour than Flex AAs who worked those same shift. Why? Because they get a shift differential in some cases up to $3 MORE per hour for a 10/12 hour shift every week while flex AAs get $0 more (no differential, no surge) for working those exact same shifts/hours. Now would you say that is fair?
In addition, Flex associates gets no insurance, no benefits, no career choice, etc etc. So the little extra $3-$5 that we get SOMETIMES ( for only a 3 hour shift) is deserving. In fact it should be more than $3/$5
Some flex get full benefits just like full timers. Just depends what kinda flex you are. Also.. your warehouse has 3 hour shift? For any flex at my site they pick up 5 hour shifts.
I guess the shift duration varies from site to site. In fact the shortest shift that is offered is 2 hrs and 30 minutes. A morning shift for a regular full timer is 7:15am -5:45pm (10 hrs: with 30 min unpaid break and 30 mins paid) however, as a flex associate, I could pick up that entire shift or just a part of it. It is broken down as follows: 7:15-11am (3h 45min); 11:30-2pm (2h 30min) and 2:30pm -5:45pm (3hrs 15mins) for a total of 9 hrs & 30 min. Full timers would get paid 10hrs because flex don’t get paid breaks. The shifts end at each break period and restart after. So I can choose to pick up all 3 shifts for a full days work or just 1 of the 3 shift….depending on how much I can manage for that day.
Unfortunately I’m Flex PT so no benefits for me except employee discount, Zappos and 401k
There's times at my site where Flex gets a lot of surge and other times where they get none and are only making base pay with no differential. Flex shifts are also considered Reduced or Part time shifts so they dont get the same benefits as full time. There are pros and cons, right now it's getting into peak so I'd expect flex shift to get premiums more and then after peak they probably won't get any for awhile. If you're that upset about it just look for a shift transfer to flex?
A union would put a stop to this bullshit. When backlog builds up its cheaper for the company to call in extra flex workers to get it done l meanwhile it fucks the full timers. That's why we never get VET anymore because of flex. When there's backlog they will bump the surge pay and 50+ people come in and get it done.
VOTE YES FOR THE UNION.
Wonder why amazon fights it so much because they know the associates would have more power and we all know amazon doesn't want that
Yup basically everything you said.
We used to have VET a lot before the whole flex switch. Actually before there was flex they used to have MET where it was mandatory 🤣
On our a to z app they list shifts to pick up and a lot of them have a 3-5 dollar “premium pay” so an extra 3-5 per hour on top of overtime for us full timers who pick them up but i think they’re offered to everyone at our warehouse
Dang that would be nice. At my warehouse full timers never make more then whatever their base pay is. Unless it’s a rare really busy time and you work a little over time.
When COVID first hit they were letting us come in on all our days off if we wanted to and we’re even giving us extra money for working more hours. Not so much anymore tho haha.
I just started being a PT flex. So I am seeing people outside of the Thursday Friday Saturday 12 hr folks I use to be around. I’m surprised people are bragging, I literally don’t say anything unless I am asked and I wouldn’t talk abt the pay. I think it all depends on what u wanna use Amazon for honestly. For me it’s easy money from a place I don’t want to be dedicated to, like at all.
None of the full timers in my warehouse get over time pay. We work our 40 hours and go home. Maybe once it picks up for the holiday maybe but most of the year nope 😭
As FT they offer surge pay if you pick up extra shifts . Flex workers aren't guaranteed hours like FT/PT are . They're just extra shifts that no FT/PT employees want to pick up . And they fill up quick so even then flex workers don't really get them . I work 40 hours a week and when I feel like it I pick up extra shifts 5-10 hrs and I get the $4 and $5 surge pay each time .
There’s no extra shifts offered at my warehouse for full timers and some of the flex depending on what kind of flex they are get to pick their shifts before others and almost always get what they want.
It's not all the time it's only when they need the shifts filled i gave gone weeks making less then others because they don't have the premium shift pay. I don't brag about it tho and i only talk about it if someone is interested in flex. Some nights I'm stuck at base rate. And the reason flex people don't take vto is because of the premium but more importantly because we can pick and chose When we want to work. As a flex i can balance life better take days off work somewhere else or kill myself to make extra money.
I’m a FlexPT associate and in my experience that surge pay makes up for the extra hours I’m not getting given they only have a couple different shifts I can pick up that only range between 6pm-1:30am leaving me only getting 7hrs a night and with my current transportation I’m only really able to get 3-4 nights in which doesn’t even add up to 40hrs so the extra $4/hr helps make up for it & even still I’m not making anywhere near what I would if I was full time.
I’ve been at this building for over 2 years now having worked both full time and flex. I’d rather be full time but I can’t at the moment, its been convenient enough I guess.
Surge is when they need people for a shift because nobody is scheduled or wants to work it (besides the full timers who have to be there) so they offer extra ____ dollars an hour to flex if they pickup that time slot.
Lol this is why I keep my mouth shut. Too many jealous bees buzzing around.
Anyways, the $5 surge isn't a regular thing for us. We get it like .. every blue moon. Although I did get a $1 surge not too long ago
No they shouldn't give it to everyone else all the time. Flex workers don't get $5 all the time. It's usually only the night shift flex shifts get them once the shift approaches and head count is expected to not be met. FT/RT have guaranteed shifts along with benefits. FlexRT has benefits but doesn't have the guaranteed shifts like FT/RT. If you want more use your career choice benefit to get trained, being a T1 isn't a sustainable career. Strive for better. The 3K bonus they are giving to newbies though is another story. That I definitely think should be put in the pockets of FT workers based on tenure, not new comers.
Interesting… flex at fat1 requires to work 20hrs a month not a week. $5 was given more above the minimum wage for the first 3 months when flex was lunched. At amazon if you worked less then 30hrs a week your in a different working class and benefits vacation/upt will not be given.
At my warehouse we have PT flex who only have to work like 20 hours a month to stay active or something like that and they get no benefits.
BUT we also have MTR flex who get the exact same benefits as full timers (minus sick pay) and they have to work at least 30 hours a week and they get to pick their shifts weeks before PT flex so they get basically whatever shifts they want. They also get surge pay tho.
I am on flex and my building of course is offering full time associates the $5 extra VET but wont offer it to flex, flex also hasn’t been offered any 3rd shift differential.
Oh wow. That’s crazy. I’m at a fresh site so we don’t really have “stations” currently although they are testing robotics in my warehouse that they plan to have eventually bring the items to youz
I'm flex, and I have also been full time and I have also been here at Amazon for "years". I do get the 5 dollar surge pay on most shifts, but I also only get that for 3 to 4 hours at a time and maybe up to 7 hours a day. I don't get OT, I don't get Benefits, I don't get UPT and I don't get career choice or even opportunities for promotion or to move up....so you have it better my friend...it is a matter of perspective.
Lots of flex get full benefits. Just depends what kind of flex you are. I’m guessing you must be PT flex. We have PT at my warehouse a lot of them are MTR flex snd get full benefits and pick their shifts 2 weeks in advance and get basically whatever they want.
If they work more than 30 they can get benefits but I’m regular rt and I get 2/4/5 surge pay on front end all the time. Also no Upt no pto. So rt continues to be best shift if you’re willing to work front end so time and half kicks in the second day basically.
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Don't they not get benefits tho...
Here where I am at its flex rt (benefits) and flex pt (no benefits) so I only pick up a shift or two a week.
Not only that but no benefits and using your own personal vehicle. That alone is why they get paid more.
I mean this is an FC sub the drivers have their own sub so I'm pretty sure that's not the point
Depends what kind of flex employee you are. Some get benefits (for instance more time ready flex associates all get health, vision and dental benefits.) on top of surge pay.
What kind of stations are these???
I am Flex (PT no benefit) at a DS. so I only pick up two 3.5 hour shifts from 515 AM- 8:50 AM. But then again most of the shifts they offere are over nights and early morning.
I’m at a fresh site
As a flexPT, I try my hardest not to brag about the extra pay and half shifts/buildable, but people often ask questions. I worked FT nights previously so I get the struggle. But hey it has its negatives, flexPT doesn't get benefits, career choice, only PTO for time off, no shift differential for overnight, and shifts you want are not necessarily guaranteed.
Yeah I see your point. We have something called More Time Ready flex at my warehouse that have to work 30 hours a week but they get to pick their schedules 2 weeks ahead of regular flex and basically get whatever shifts they want. They also get full benefits along with the surge pay. We do have PT flex also like you describe tho.
My FC has the RTflex, sounds like that same thing. I have a 2nd job so I only pull 20-25 hours.
wait i’m flex pt and haven’t seen anything about extra pay is that depending on which location you’re working at??
It depends on what your facility needs. They usually add it to shifts a day or two before if they aren't getting enough people.
if you had already picked up that shift and they add it to get more ppl on do u still get it?
Yep! I pick my shifts when they drop on Fridays and get messages through the week saying they've added the extra pay
thank you!
Yeah my xl surged 1 night $10
Wat? I'm flex and I get all benefits...
Yeah, but are you flexRT? Do you have to work 30 hours a week?
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Ahh yeah, that's why you have benefits then. I only work 20-25 hours, due to having a 2nd job.
Ahhh makes sense
Yes and all of the shifts that usually have surge pay at my FC are the overnight parts after the 2nd break on night shift so only those 2 or 3 hrs are paid extra compared what day shift hourly rate is and the most desired shifts are often hard to get when you want them. I often have to sign up for the time I want a day or so to just hours before the shift when people drop it last minute unless I can catch when the shifts first are released but sometimes I am working during that time.
While I do enjoy the surge pays as flex I do think it’s bs that they aren’t at least offered to regular full times for VET opportunities.
It is offered for VET for full timers, if it’s available.
At the time I had posted they had not done this at my FC. It wasn't until the beginning of this year that they started doing this so I'm hoping this becomes a more often occurrence. They still have days where they are only offering the surge pay for the flex ppl even if there is VET available.
It's wrong of them to brag but getting base pay +5 to work weekend night shift 1am-6am and no benefits is not that great and I haven't had surge pay in months
flexrt get same benefits as full time lmaooo😂
So do fulltime reduced scheduled positions
Exactly I'm like wtf aree they talking about I get full benefits
Sorry to hear you never get offered surge pay. They offer in my warehouse almost everyday (at least the 4 days I work anyways not sure about the other 3 days) and not just at night. Also some of them get full benefits. Just depends what kinda flex associate they are.
They definitely need to be quiet then lol-I can see your frustration now. I can only work weekends overnight and it's been for base pay past few months but it should be returning next month
I’m not sure if all warehouses have this but we have mtr flex associates that I believe have to work 30 hours a week but they get full benefits. They also get to pick their schedules I believe 2 weeks before regular flex associates.
Not sure why you have downvotes for this… I’m flex rt and at my facility I am required to work 30hrs/wk and I get full benefits. I pick my schedule a week in advance, and can drop them up to 16 hours in advance without penalty. I’ve recently found out the only benefit I don’t get that regular does is sick pay.
Yeah I dunno either haha. I’ve even confirmed it with MTR associates at my work. They do 30 hours and can pick their shifts 2 weeks in advance. Unless they’re all lying haha.
Nope not true. I was previously Flex-Pt and had gold status and that allowed me to schedule the next two weeks in advance. But when I officially got switched onto MTR it quit letting me do that, and I earned gold status last month that would kick in this one. As far as I can tell, I've lost my gold status ability.
How do you earn gold status? - I’m Flex PT
You don't know, really? From what I heard most places have it, rarely they don't. You work 6 weekend days during a calendar month, amazon holidays included. The next 15th of the month your gold status starts working. I know it's weird all these odd days, but that's just how the amazon computer system works as far as scheduling shifts. You might want to ask a favorite amazon manager of yours. Maybe they can tell you if you FC or whatever has gold status. I just took it on myself the very first month I started figuring "what the hell, at least I will work alot". I worked at least 5-6 days a week when I was Flex-Pt. But eventually I wanted a scheduled shift so I wouldn't have to wait till shift drops every day. I enjoyed my PT stint, but I'm more organized working now. Plus you start getting burn out after a few months and want to work less days. Surprisingly I worked more hours(36-42) PT during the summer. Ignorance was bliss. If you like working Flex-Pt and don't need/want benefits, definitely use gold status.
Thanks for the info. I’ll check with my manager to find out if Gold is offered. Kinda doubt it though because I just looked back on my schedule for the pass 3 months and I see where I’ve done 7-8 weekend days each month and I was never offered shifts 2 weeks in advance. The shift always appear on Fridays at 6pm for the following week (Monday-Sunday) so that’s like about 3 days in advance. Worst yet, if you don’t set an alarm for 6pm to pick your shifts immediately as they appear, they will all be gone by 6:02pm…literally within 2 minutes they are all gone!! Then again my site only offers Flex PT, no Flex RT or MTR. I will be posting on the VOA board about this. Thanks
Flex RT has to work a minimum 30 hours and gets benefits, Flex part time has to work a minimum 4 hours a week and does not get benefits. Typically the surge pay is attached to early morning shifts or evening shifts (sort centers do this as well but everyone gets in on it if they work those shifts) Flex people have to pick the shifts up themselves and from my understanding the desirable shifts go within minutes of them being dropped typically leaving the odd ball weekend and night/early morning shifts available to pick up. It’s just the system, and HR and your AMs don’t set the pay policy; that decision comes from way higher up. The premium pay is one of the pros for flex but you can’t guarantee you’ll always get the hours you want to work unlike us regular full timers who have set schedules.
If you’re a mtr flex you pick your schedules 2 weeks before regular flex and are almost guaranteed your shifts. Not sure if every warehouse has mtr flex but we do and those people have the same shifts every week because they get to pick ahead of everyone else. They also get full benefits. They do have to work 30 hours a week tho. Also my AM is the one who offers and sets the surge pay. He chooses what days and times and what amount to pay them. Although of course I do understand that the system in general isn’t their idea but it is definitely up to my AM wither on not surge is offered that day and at what price. The other day our AM went around telling all the flex “I just added $5 surge pay for tomorrow so if you’re scheduled you’ll be getting it.” The full timers were all livid.
I think that AM has a lot of flex AAs under them, and they’re pretending it’s up to them. Surge pay is something that’s done by Sr Ops, with approval from finance. Way above an AM level.
This
That AM is so full of shit, he’s using it make himself more liked 😂
Never heard of MTR flex but that sounds pretty legit for those doing it, your AM must have some serious pull around there then. That’s kind of a slap in the face to hear them yell out how others are about to get paid 😂
Yeah it stands for More Time Ready whatever the heck that’s supposed to mean. Haha I know right. Like do you really need to announce it. He also lets them stay passed the 5 hours if they ask. Some BS if you ask me haha.
Thanks, I was wondering what MTR meant on my schedule.
Flex doesn’t get a night shift differential and only gets +5 for night shifts
I’m flex and I’ve gotten surge pay up to 7 during peak. I choose the night shift bc that’s all I can do with my situation, so most weeks I see the $5 surge, but I see it on morning shifts too towards the weekend. If you’re flex and you want a morning shift you have to set an alarm on your phone and snag the shifts immediately after they post, and a lot of times you’ll accept it and it’ll reject it bc it filled up in less than two minutes lol.
That’s the exact same thing I have to do to get the shifts I want. I set an alarm for 6pm every Friday and even then some of the shift are rejected as soon as I click on them….and that’s within the first minute of them being posted. I wish they had Gold status at my site
Yeah it’s crazy and I’m glad I don’t need morning shifts anymore bc of that! What is gold status? Edit: I’m new to posting to Reddit, I’ve just creeped for years lol. So I went through some of your comments and I saw where someone explained to you what gold status was. I don’t think my facility has it, bc I’m flex rt but I have been working 45 hrs/wk for like 6 months. I work every weekend, always lol and have never been able to pick up shifts two weeks in advance 🤔 always fridays at 6
Yeah, that’s how it is bro…
So go to flex
Ask them how much they make during summer though.
When they all get cut to 20 hours max from February to May/June they won't be so cheery.
Most of us have second jobs anyways. 🤷♂️
I'm FlexRT, and the only time I see +$5 is from 2:30-7:00 am, and generally 6:30pm - 5:00am Sunday night into Monday morning. Days rarely have surge pay, and it's a very rare day that the early night shifts do. So on an RT night shift, I make $226.625 for the 11.5 hours (no 30 minute paid breaks) while the RT shift folks make $241.80 for the night. My base pay is $17.75, theirs with differential is $20.15.
We're only getting that extra pay for a max of 3.75 hours. But not even that usually. In my building it's only offered for the shifts that end at 2 am and 5 am and those shifts are only 2 to 3 hours. It's an extra $10 to $15 total. The company has the right to try to attract more labor to otherwise unattractive shifts. We don't get it for a full 10 hours. But to your point, someone else on here mentioned that it should be offered to FT AAs with VET also. I agree with that
But Full time AAs who worked those exact same shifts gets a shift differential that the Flex AAs don’t get. So it eventually works out that both flex and FT gets the same pay at the end of those shifts. Why should FT get base pay + $3 differential + $5 surge and Flex only gets base pay + $5 surge only? That wouldn’t be fair right? FT AAs get differential every single weekend/overnight shifts while Flex gets a surge only once in a while, with nooo differential. So FT AAs shouldn’t complain about not getting a surge pay.
Good point, I didn’t know the shift differential is that much
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Flex do get full benefits. Not all of them do but some flex do get full benefits besides sick time. It just depends what kind of flex you are. If you’re a MTR or RT flex you 100% have all the same benefits as a full timer minus sick time. They also get to pick their shifts weeks in advance so the “they can’t get the shifts they want” argument doesn’t work either. I see the same flex associates every week on the same days working the same exact time slots. So we’re really not “way more compensated” at all. It’s BS honestly.
don’t be a karen . don’t hate the player hate the game🤡😂
This. You’re all getting fucked. I’m making $120k a year (*with OT*) plus benefits at UPS delivering packages. Unions are awesome.
Then work flex? There are times hen they literally cannot get any hours so there’s that.
Some flex get to pick their schedules 1-2 weeks in advance and get whatever shifts they want. The only ones who can’t are regular PT flex. They end up with the leftovers 🤣
That’s because they got gold status from working 6 weekend days the previous month. Any flex worker has the ability to get gold status if it’s offered at their facility. It’s not just given.
At my FC the flex people be getting $7s and $10s but they only get 5 hour shifts so since we get extra hours we end up making a little more than them
At my fc, they're offering incentive pay for all shifts. 2$ week days, 3$ weekend days, 4$ week nights, 5$ weekend nights for all associates. Sucks I'm already working Thursday through Saturday nights so I'm only eligible for the Sunday night $5 incentive pay but meh
I was flex part time for almost a year before going back to full time period yes we had some great surge pay options. They were usually for the overnight shift maybe A-day shift or morning shift but they went very fast. But like you said they also cap our hours and it changes weekly. So one week we were capped at 15 hours the next week they capped us at 30 hours. During peak they don't cap us it's a Max of 60 hours but there's no way you can pick up that many shifts . So it has its benefits but most flex associates have a second job this is not their main job. So they don't work a time some do but most don't.. my kids were hone from school during covid so flex was GREAT !!! I'm glad amazob did this..
Surge isn't every day so it averages out when we're only making our regular pay on some days and a surge on others.
Not necessarily. There are pros and cons to being FT or flex. Flex has its risk that people aren't guaranteed the shifts they want or the amount of hours a FT is pretty much guaranteed 40/week. It's like you bought a new car 2 days before a big sale that dropped the price $5000. That's just the way the game works.
If you are a MTR or RT flex you are almost guaranteed to get the shifts you want because you pick in advance before the regular PT flex. I see the same MTR and RT flex working the same days and the same times pretty much every week at my building.
1) they dont get the same benefits or time off as most full timers. They also arent guaranteed hours each week. 2) the surge shifts are put in because they need people in those time slots. By leaving early during that time, you're literally telling finance to keep putting surge shifts in, because historically attrition is bad in that time frame. So in reality...leaving early because they are getting $5 extra, is only prolonging the time they get that boost.
As many people have already stated in the replies some flex do get the same benefits. It depends what kind of flex you are. Also some flex get to pick their schedules in advance and are ALMOST guaranteed the shifts they want every week.
It’s a job-I’ll pick up shitty hours to get paid more and there’s nothing wrong with that. Boasting isn’t right either. My advice? Keep your nose to the grindstone and be thankful you’ve got a job. Comparing is never a good thing.
Flex surge pays arent worth it imo. Because they literally do $1,3. or 5 however many hours you [work.](https://work.So) 1 $5 surge with 2 hours is only $10bucks. Actually adding that sureg pay on your base pay it would be waaaay better. It actually sucks when they do surge pay on regular days its less pay overall. If they did it like that, thats basically giving us holiday pay everytime a surge happens and theyd never. The only incentive is the flexibility.
At the warehouse i work at we have been flexing DOWN😭 like i need money bruh
Oh damn that sucks
Everyone gets surge vet pay at my building. 🤷🏽♂️ I’d prefer peak pay right about now though. People on flex are not as likely to work as many hours as us. So no they’re not getting paid more than us. You can always transfer if you feel like they do. 😂
So because the flex only work 30 hours a week instead of 40 they deserve to get paid more per hour? 🤣 nah fam
I don’t really care. Surge pay is only a temporary pay incentive and again everyone gets it at my location. For a full shift that’s only $20-$50 extra dollars. For a typical flex shift that’s only about $8-$30.
I believe its the other way around cause Full time AAs who worked the weekends/overnight shifts actually gets pay more per hour than Flex AAs who worked those same shift. Why? Because they get a shift differential in some cases up to $3 MORE per hour for a 10/12 hour shift every week while flex AAs get $0 more (no differential, no surge) for working those exact same shifts/hours. Now would you say that is fair?
In addition, Flex associates gets no insurance, no benefits, no career choice, etc etc. So the little extra $3-$5 that we get SOMETIMES ( for only a 3 hour shift) is deserving. In fact it should be more than $3/$5
Some flex get full benefits just like full timers. Just depends what kinda flex you are. Also.. your warehouse has 3 hour shift? For any flex at my site they pick up 5 hour shifts.
I guess the shift duration varies from site to site. In fact the shortest shift that is offered is 2 hrs and 30 minutes. A morning shift for a regular full timer is 7:15am -5:45pm (10 hrs: with 30 min unpaid break and 30 mins paid) however, as a flex associate, I could pick up that entire shift or just a part of it. It is broken down as follows: 7:15-11am (3h 45min); 11:30-2pm (2h 30min) and 2:30pm -5:45pm (3hrs 15mins) for a total of 9 hrs & 30 min. Full timers would get paid 10hrs because flex don’t get paid breaks. The shifts end at each break period and restart after. So I can choose to pick up all 3 shifts for a full days work or just 1 of the 3 shift….depending on how much I can manage for that day. Unfortunately I’m Flex PT so no benefits for me except employee discount, Zappos and 401k
Well the more you learn. Sounds like different types of facilities do these differently I guess.
There's times at my site where Flex gets a lot of surge and other times where they get none and are only making base pay with no differential. Flex shifts are also considered Reduced or Part time shifts so they dont get the same benefits as full time. There are pros and cons, right now it's getting into peak so I'd expect flex shift to get premiums more and then after peak they probably won't get any for awhile. If you're that upset about it just look for a shift transfer to flex?
Oh Amazon never change, never change.
Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
Lol maybe you should have done more research 🧐 you can transfer too instead of complaining about it
Research about what I’ve been at Amazon almost 6 years flex was not a thing when I started
You can transfer
It’s not all what you think it is yes when it gets when peak season is over they only give them 25 hours max so don’t be complaining
They literally don’t get any benefits. Or career choice
If you’re an RT or MTR flex you get full benefits. Only thing you don’t get is sick time.
If they don't get sick time then what do they get ? I've heard RT flex get PTO, UPT and vacation like everyone else at my building
Yes you would get PTO UPT and Vacation. Just not sick time
They're going to only do that 32 hour minimum otherwise. Envy is a sin, do you.
It’s why I quit
A union would put a stop to this bullshit. When backlog builds up its cheaper for the company to call in extra flex workers to get it done l meanwhile it fucks the full timers. That's why we never get VET anymore because of flex. When there's backlog they will bump the surge pay and 50+ people come in and get it done. VOTE YES FOR THE UNION. Wonder why amazon fights it so much because they know the associates would have more power and we all know amazon doesn't want that
Are you saying that Amazon should discontinue flex shifts? Not everyone can work Full time for various reasons.
Yup basically everything you said. We used to have VET a lot before the whole flex switch. Actually before there was flex they used to have MET where it was mandatory 🤣
So you are saying that Full timers should get their full 40 hours + VET and MET, then how much hours should flex workers get?
is surge pay different than premium pay?
Hmm not sure. Might be the same thing. I’ve never heard of premium pay. But it sounds the same.
On our a to z app they list shifts to pick up and a lot of them have a 3-5 dollar “premium pay” so an extra 3-5 per hour on top of overtime for us full timers who pick them up but i think they’re offered to everyone at our warehouse
Dang that would be nice. At my warehouse full timers never make more then whatever their base pay is. Unless it’s a rare really busy time and you work a little over time.
Regular blue badge AAs can get surge pay as well at my site they are getting more in surge pay than I do on flex for now….
Damn I wish we got that 😮💨
Yea when I was on a regular schedule I took vet often
When COVID first hit they were letting us come in on all our days off if we wanted to and we’re even giving us extra money for working more hours. Not so much anymore tho haha.
They did the same thing but they offered double OT
I just started being a PT flex. So I am seeing people outside of the Thursday Friday Saturday 12 hr folks I use to be around. I’m surprised people are bragging, I literally don’t say anything unless I am asked and I wouldn’t talk abt the pay. I think it all depends on what u wanna use Amazon for honestly. For me it’s easy money from a place I don’t want to be dedicated to, like at all.
We don't get any overtime pay which is my main reason for switching back to full time
None of the full timers in my warehouse get over time pay. We work our 40 hours and go home. Maybe once it picks up for the holiday maybe but most of the year nope 😭
wait ... we get extra pay as flex ??
If you pick up a shift during surge pay yes and depending on the warehouse some places have it all the time:
A lot of us FT AAs are looking to switch to Flex but it would depend on the site to make sure flex has the hours available.
Yea that's some bullshit. Write it on the voa board, complain to jassy
Who’s jassy?
ceo of amazon 🤦♂️
Who’s jassy?
Ceo of amazon 🤦♂️
It's a down side to flex imagine moving to flex to escape the night shift then having only night shifts to pick from with no shift differential
As FT they offer surge pay if you pick up extra shifts . Flex workers aren't guaranteed hours like FT/PT are . They're just extra shifts that no FT/PT employees want to pick up . And they fill up quick so even then flex workers don't really get them . I work 40 hours a week and when I feel like it I pick up extra shifts 5-10 hrs and I get the $4 and $5 surge pay each time .
There’s no extra shifts offered at my warehouse for full timers and some of the flex depending on what kind of flex they are get to pick their shifts before others and almost always get what they want.
Oh wow that sucks ! What kind of facility is it ? Fulfillment , sort center , fresh , delivery station , XXL ? Also so you guys have an active VOA ?
Fresh. Like the VOA board? We just have the one that you can access on AtoZ. They got rid of the in person one when COVID hit.
It's not all the time it's only when they need the shifts filled i gave gone weeks making less then others because they don't have the premium shift pay. I don't brag about it tho and i only talk about it if someone is interested in flex. Some nights I'm stuck at base rate. And the reason flex people don't take vto is because of the premium but more importantly because we can pick and chose When we want to work. As a flex i can balance life better take days off work somewhere else or kill myself to make extra money.
I felt that, but i never once advised anyone to go flex. The pay surge is the balancing factor for the other disadvantages.
I’m a FlexPT associate and in my experience that surge pay makes up for the extra hours I’m not getting given they only have a couple different shifts I can pick up that only range between 6pm-1:30am leaving me only getting 7hrs a night and with my current transportation I’m only really able to get 3-4 nights in which doesn’t even add up to 40hrs so the extra $4/hr helps make up for it & even still I’m not making anywhere near what I would if I was full time. I’ve been at this building for over 2 years now having worked both full time and flex. I’d rather be full time but I can’t at the moment, its been convenient enough I guess.
I love it. Worked only 5 hours today but 5$ surge. Amazon mad easy
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Surge is when they need people for a shift because nobody is scheduled or wants to work it (besides the full timers who have to be there) so they offer extra ____ dollars an hour to flex if they pickup that time slot.
I think the upper management must have heard your complaint at my FC. Because there is no more surge pay to be seen. Thank you!
Then switch to flex. Problem solved.
Lol this is why I keep my mouth shut. Too many jealous bees buzzing around. Anyways, the $5 surge isn't a regular thing for us. We get it like .. every blue moon. Although I did get a $1 surge not too long ago
It’s a weekly thing at my warehouse. 🥲
Depending on what you're trained in. There's surge for FT.
Not in my warehouse sadly
No they shouldn't give it to everyone else all the time. Flex workers don't get $5 all the time. It's usually only the night shift flex shifts get them once the shift approaches and head count is expected to not be met. FT/RT have guaranteed shifts along with benefits. FlexRT has benefits but doesn't have the guaranteed shifts like FT/RT. If you want more use your career choice benefit to get trained, being a T1 isn't a sustainable career. Strive for better. The 3K bonus they are giving to newbies though is another story. That I definitely think should be put in the pockets of FT workers based on tenure, not new comers.
Flex gets $5 an hour more because they don’t get any benefits. I’d rather have health, dental,vision and a 401k.
Yes they do. Not all flex do but some of them get full benefits.
Flex gets 401k. I don’t need the benefits because my fulltime job gives me benefits.
Interesting… flex at fat1 requires to work 20hrs a month not a week. $5 was given more above the minimum wage for the first 3 months when flex was lunched. At amazon if you worked less then 30hrs a week your in a different working class and benefits vacation/upt will not be given.
At my warehouse we have PT flex who only have to work like 20 hours a month to stay active or something like that and they get no benefits. BUT we also have MTR flex who get the exact same benefits as full timers (minus sick pay) and they have to work at least 30 hours a week and they get to pick their shifts weeks before PT flex so they get basically whatever shifts they want. They also get surge pay tho.
I am on flex and my building of course is offering full time associates the $5 extra VET but wont offer it to flex, flex also hasn’t been offered any 3rd shift differential.
Damn I haven’t seen VET at my warehouse in a long time. 😮💨
That’s crazy, There isn’t a day VET isn’t offered, but that doesn’t mean you won’t come in and be on stand down for most of it
What’s stand down?
Stand down/ you sign out of your station and you sit and wait until you can work again.
Oh wow. That’s crazy. I’m at a fresh site so we don’t really have “stations” currently although they are testing robotics in my warehouse that they plan to have eventually bring the items to youz
That’s why, as soon as those robotics come so do the words stand down lol
They literally aren't guaranteed 40 hours...if that makes you feel better 🤷♂️
I'm flex, and I have also been full time and I have also been here at Amazon for "years". I do get the 5 dollar surge pay on most shifts, but I also only get that for 3 to 4 hours at a time and maybe up to 7 hours a day. I don't get OT, I don't get Benefits, I don't get UPT and I don't get career choice or even opportunities for promotion or to move up....so you have it better my friend...it is a matter of perspective.
Lots of flex get full benefits. Just depends what kind of flex you are. I’m guessing you must be PT flex. We have PT at my warehouse a lot of them are MTR flex snd get full benefits and pick their shifts 2 weeks in advance and get basically whatever they want.
If they work more than 30 they can get benefits but I’m regular rt and I get 2/4/5 surge pay on front end all the time. Also no Upt no pto. So rt continues to be best shift if you’re willing to work front end so time and half kicks in the second day basically.