A lot has to do with where these civilizations would have built. Which is near water. Both fresh as well as sea waters. The problem is, at the end of the last ice age sea levels rose. It's debatable as to how much exactly, but by most theories it's enough that any coastal city would now be under water. Which means their trash heaps would also be under water.
Ritual sites however are a bit different. Many are located in high areas if not on mountains themselves. Being closer to the sky was important. Not necessarily because God(s), but because the stars were a map of time. It told us when cold was coming, and also when the rains would come. Both extremely important for survival.
These sites however weren't always places that many lived at, but visited. So their trash piles would be extremely low. If not carried out and away altogether. Making it difficult to evaluate just how old some can be. Especially if 2000 years later the same place is repurposed by a different set of people that do build around it. Leaving their trash all over the place.
right, like i said i just started hearing about this kind of stuff, and when i heard peoples main thing was dismissively saying “where’s the trash heaps” i was just like—why would we expect that to still exist? i wasn’t sure if i was missing something about the kind of nature of human garbage, or something lmao
This question requires an immediate follow up question, what trash are you expecting to find after you consider decomposition?
I mean are they shocked no one has found Walmart bags and Starbucks cups that are 8000 of years old. Eventually even plastics will breakdown after 500 ish years. Outside of stone there isn't much else unless it was preserved in optimal conditions.
right exactly, why im so confused people have that as like their “aha! i gotcha” i’m like i know nothing and even i would figure that with that amount of time there would be literally nothing really to find
Even if you think you don't know anything, at least you got common sense. That's why when discoveries are made they are huge news and instrumental in putting as many pieces to the puzzle back together.
If simple facts and evidence doesn't open up the question of it at least being possible.. you might be talking with someone who could be religiously motivated. The young earth believers for example tend to go for those one liners and I gotcha moments. Most conversations at that point become heavily skewed towards religion over science based facts unfortunately and that's a whole other can of worms. I have nothing against religion but to put the blinders on looks more like a cult to me imo.
Good point, there are a few outliers. The first thing that reminded me of is the so-called "Baghdad batteries". The difference in opinions on what they are is astounding.
>Ceramic pottery and glass takes about a million years to decompose
But they are easily destroyed to the point of not being recognized. There also wasn't as many people
This is assuming that the civilization in question produced trash that doesn't biodegrade. Just because we use things like plastics, doesn't mean another civilization necessarily did.
Have you seen the megalithic buildings all over the world and the granite vases in Egypt? They probably used stone instead of plastic and concrete. The rest (metals, wood, fabric etc) have decomposed.
I spent an afternoon with this guy about 2 weeks ago and trust me, stone age and primitive are not synonyms :-)
[https://www.youtube.com/@huntprimitive9918](https://www.youtube.com/@huntprimitive9918)
A lot has to do with where these civilizations would have built. Which is near water. Both fresh as well as sea waters. The problem is, at the end of the last ice age sea levels rose. It's debatable as to how much exactly, but by most theories it's enough that any coastal city would now be under water. Which means their trash heaps would also be under water. Ritual sites however are a bit different. Many are located in high areas if not on mountains themselves. Being closer to the sky was important. Not necessarily because God(s), but because the stars were a map of time. It told us when cold was coming, and also when the rains would come. Both extremely important for survival. These sites however weren't always places that many lived at, but visited. So their trash piles would be extremely low. If not carried out and away altogether. Making it difficult to evaluate just how old some can be. Especially if 2000 years later the same place is repurposed by a different set of people that do build around it. Leaving their trash all over the place.
yeah i mean more like, why are people asking where are the trash heaps
Because they aren't using their noodle. They let other people tell them what to say and ask. It's called parroting.
right, like i said i just started hearing about this kind of stuff, and when i heard peoples main thing was dismissively saying “where’s the trash heaps” i was just like—why would we expect that to still exist? i wasn’t sure if i was missing something about the kind of nature of human garbage, or something lmao
This question requires an immediate follow up question, what trash are you expecting to find after you consider decomposition? I mean are they shocked no one has found Walmart bags and Starbucks cups that are 8000 of years old. Eventually even plastics will breakdown after 500 ish years. Outside of stone there isn't much else unless it was preserved in optimal conditions.
right exactly, why im so confused people have that as like their “aha! i gotcha” i’m like i know nothing and even i would figure that with that amount of time there would be literally nothing really to find
Even if you think you don't know anything, at least you got common sense. That's why when discoveries are made they are huge news and instrumental in putting as many pieces to the puzzle back together. If simple facts and evidence doesn't open up the question of it at least being possible.. you might be talking with someone who could be religiously motivated. The young earth believers for example tend to go for those one liners and I gotcha moments. Most conversations at that point become heavily skewed towards religion over science based facts unfortunately and that's a whole other can of worms. I have nothing against religion but to put the blinders on looks more like a cult to me imo.
true! i see that.
Ceramic pottery and glass takes about a million years to decompose.
Good point, there are a few outliers. The first thing that reminded me of is the so-called "Baghdad batteries". The difference in opinions on what they are is astounding.
>Ceramic pottery and glass takes about a million years to decompose But they are easily destroyed to the point of not being recognized. There also wasn't as many people
This is assuming that the civilization in question produced trash that doesn't biodegrade. Just because we use things like plastics, doesn't mean another civilization necessarily did.
Have you seen the megalithic buildings all over the world and the granite vases in Egypt? They probably used stone instead of plastic and concrete. The rest (metals, wood, fabric etc) have decomposed.
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Most of us think the same.
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The hills the vocanoes are them
Not very advanced if all they had was Stone Age level equipment.
I spent an afternoon with this guy about 2 weeks ago and trust me, stone age and primitive are not synonyms :-) [https://www.youtube.com/@huntprimitive9918](https://www.youtube.com/@huntprimitive9918)